Silver Manipulation In Detail

Tue, Dec 13, 2016 - 10:12am

Nick Laird and his service, GoldCharts 'R' Us, has long been an ally in the battle against Bank precious metals manipulation. In light if the recent revelations from Deutschebank, Nick has compiled some of the data into charts that you simply MUST take the time to review.

Nick's tremendous service can be found at his website: He has a subscription component that helps him to pay the bills but he also churns out free information and charts on a regular basis. It is his latest public post that caught our attention when we found it linked to the GATA website earlier today.

I'm not going to reprint the entire thing here for two reasons. One, I haven't asked Nick for permission and, two, I'd rather you visit his site directly to see the charts. He's running a business, too, and if this sort of information is your bag, then you should be sure to consider a subscription while you're there.

The direct link to this tremendous dose of information is here:

Be sure to take time to review the very first chart on the page. Note the timeline of the manipulation and transcripts attached to all of the text and email messages between the conspirators.

For the sake of the discussion here, I am going to borrow just one of Nick's charts and it's posted below. In TFMR parlance, we have long described the almost-daily, early morning precious metals selloff as the work of "The London Monkeys". It's a cute name for a sinister group of Bullion Bank traders that work to lower the price of both precious metals into their daily London fixes. Well now, thanks to Nick, we have quantitative proof of this daily manipulation. (click to enlarge)


Again, please be sure to review all of the charts the Nick has provided. Though the denials persist and the stench of The Cartel Apologists is thick, Truth is finally beginning to see the light of day. We've maintained for years that any structure built upon a foundation of lies, fraud and deceit cannot last. With more revelations, lawsuits and investigations to come, you can be certain that Truth is going to prevail. All of us in this community on the right side of history and we will be the victors in this battle against the destructive and criminal Banks.


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Dec 13, 2016 - 10:16am

Hat Contest

Unofficial guesses for Friday:

Several years ago I would do this when I had the time for TFMR contests.
I happen to have time this week so I copied/pasted into my old program =)
It was 2012 since the last time I did this and I'm sorry I missed so many contests!!!

Check my work and see if I got your correct guess or if I missed you!

If you order by "POST" (default) then it is close to the order that was posted on TFMR, but I had to correct a few after I c/p'd wrong and some ended up lower on the list ;)
Otherwise you can order by name or price ;)

Sorry Ferd and chocolatechiphorses - I programmed this to round to the nearest cent.

Unofficial guesses!


And thanks again Turd for the contests and all your hard work!!!


Dec 13, 2016 - 10:21am

Producers of precious metals

Hmmm, funded via lines of credit from the banks? Only solution is miners who deliver net physical metal to their shareholders, or if solo, keep it within the community, need more silversmiths then...

Dec 13, 2016 - 10:25am


Pleading da!!


Dec 13, 2016 - 10:26am

Waiting on Charlie!

Damn .. 6th. I'll drink the fifth!


P.S. Where were you Charlie?

Dec 13, 2016 - 10:27am


GORO company offers a dividend payable in bullion, which is the closest I' ve seen to what you suggest. Pretty cool feature of their stock, though not a reason to invest on its own. It would take quite a large position to start receiving silver rounds in the mail.

Dec 13, 2016 - 10:29am

The firth of fourth

looks like i should always be buying my physical just after noon for an even better smashed down price,

yours forever20

Dec 13, 2016 - 10:30am

NY Monkeys

This morning its all about the NY Conmex monkey. Yesterday's gains erased.

Dec 13, 2016 - 10:31am
Joseph Warren
Dec 13, 2016 - 10:32am

PM Suppression proof

We've had it from numerous quarters including GATA. We appreciate all these fine efforts, however -

. . . it hasn't made an ounce of difference. The political and legal systems of USA Inc and the rest of the West are captured. 

Dec 13, 2016 - 10:34am

Wow, Terp, thanks for that

Will save time when finding the winners, too. Thanks!

Dec 13, 2016 - 10:36am

Mike Maloney

Mike's comments on the article in the heading:

Silver Investing Manipulation: The Truth On A Timeline - Mike Maloney
Dec 13, 2016 - 10:41am

Speaking of manipulation...

How many silver contracts just got dumped?

Dr. P. Metals
Dec 13, 2016 - 10:44am

Yeah they are sure running scared

After all the DB lawsuit stuff... 

Dec 13, 2016 - 10:48am

Cheating at argumentation


Steve W brought up the Russian propaganda debate in the last thread... it got me to thinking...

There is not a traditional fallacy that describes this situation... like ad hominem, or red herring.

Logical argumentation begins with something we all accept as true, then extend logically from that position. When you have a starting point that is debatable, as in this case, then you may NOT proceed to any logical conclusions. We must establish whether or not the "fact" of tampering is true.

Evidence must be provided to establish the factuality of our starting point, to convince all that "a thing" is indeed true.

Arguments occur at 4 different levels, moving up as the argument progresses (basic argumentation theory--CA Lawyer studied this stuff)

1. Fact: We start at the level of fact. Does a thing exist, is a thing true? Does manipulation exist" Did Russia tamper? (and let's not even mention chemtrails).

2. Value: Once we establish a fact, we judge it--good or bad, right or wrong? Is manipulation justified to save economies? Is election tampering wrong?

3. Policy: Having established that a thing is "wrong," we deliberate about a course of action. what are we going to do about it? Lets simply create fake charts. Let go to war with Russia. This is where hypocrisy sneaks in--It is wrong for Russia to hack & tamper, but not for the Saudis to donate millions to a candidate (which is against the law). Both are tampering, but one side buries the fact.

4. Jurisdiction: If we can reach no consensus on policy, we seek out a judge we all trust to decide what policy shall be adopted. The CFTC decides to leave the Comex system intact. But who decides whether or not we go to war? The Supreme Court? Congress? Executive order? United Nations? We are all damned when these institutions are stacked with insiders beholden to their financiers.

At some point in most legal situations, the attorney for one side sees the writing on the wall and throws in the towel, persuading their client to settle or take a plea bargain. The progressives will not do that. Most live arguments are stuck at the fact or value levels. Once we agree at those levels, policy becomes easy to determine and we quickly pass laws.

Those pursuing a private, selfish agenda always distort the arguments at the fact level. Our values are fairly well established already. Once we know the facts, logic dictates the rest.

But these progressives have been dogged in pursuing their agenda, truth be damned. Their leaders are corrupted, privately seeking what benefits them personally (neo-con wars and, fat military contracts, corrupt legal system so they can party like nobility). But they publicly promote vague concepts like equality, fairness, acceptance. Hell, their professors cannot even agree on what "race" means or what "racism" is in Cultural Studies departments, but they are quick to label me a racist if I criticize the banking system and mention the fact that 7 year boom/bust cycles in real estate aligns with a Jewish custom to settle debt every seven years and start over. Their followers are brainwashed with vague notions of idealism and a few activist projects to keep them occupied. Meanwhile their leaders cheat to gain power, rig the system to enrich themselves and...

Crap. I just need to stop ranting and finish my coffee. 

You cannot make an assumption at the level of FACT. The evidence must be examined before we can move to the upper levels of public argument.


I disagree. I think I see some gold in those chunks of Argentite. If the gold value is worth more than the silver, we have to call it gold.

Dec 13, 2016 - 10:54am

Hat Contest

I don't know why I wasted time doing this, but here are everyone's guesses from the thread. There are a couple duplicate entries (highlighted), and the number to the far left represents the position within the thread that the participants guess was posted. So, lower number indicates "dibs", if you will...

Anyway, I did this as quick as I could so I may have typed something incorrectly (name or guess)... here ya go...

mavens Terp
Dec 13, 2016 - 10:55am


SONOFA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

Dec 13, 2016 - 10:58am

thanks anyway?

mavens, thanks to you, too.

Dec 13, 2016 - 11:01am
Dec 13, 2016 - 11:11am

Hat contest...

Much more participation than I thought there would be...

It is so bunched up so you need to really nail your number to win.

ericpro cock blocked a wide gap I found with my number...

I should have waited until 9:59am EST hahahahaa.

Good luck to everyone and may the luckiest person win! smiley

Dec 13, 2016 - 11:11am

Good sign methinks

Thanks @terp and @mavens - 1/3 entries are 'bearish' (below the level at which point the contest started) - just going on impression i got from past contests that is about as bearish as this place gets for sentiment translating into guesses - fingers crossed a good sign!

mavens TF
Dec 13, 2016 - 11:12am

Can you comment on this? "Did the system collapse"


I am relatively new here (almost a year now), and I've seen this graphic a couple different times. Can you comment on it and explain how this spread can/will/may help "break things", if you will, and help us to finally discover a real market price for phyzz?


Dec 13, 2016 - 11:16am

Question that puzzled me for a long time

Why inflation expectations in U.S., while Japan after 26 years of trying the same, produce none?

Joseph Warren
Dec 13, 2016 - 11:16am

@DrJerome re: Critical Thinking

Hi Doc - thank you for your comments on this subject smiley

As I see it, it all begins with the basics: who, what, where, and when ?

This includes defining our terms. What is meant by "the Russians" ? Rogue hackers or members of the Russian state ? What evidence is there to prove their involvement?

From there we can move on to the 'Why?' (motivation) and the 'How?' (method) and formulate a strategy for responding with our own motivations and capabilities in mind. Every step along the way, we must ask ourselves if our findings pass the 'smell test'. (Example - Why would Assad gas his own people ? It doesn't make sense.)

As far as I can tell, the accusations against the Russian government are based on the fallacy of the Appeal to Authority (our intel agencies say so) and ginning up the emotionalism of those opposed to Trump. They haven't even provided the proof to support their "Russians influenced the election" premise.

Regards, - JW

Dec 13, 2016 - 11:21am

too much to cover in one comment

Will try to address again in today's podcast.

Joseph Warren
Dec 13, 2016 - 11:21am

Re: Hat contest

I hope Craig does these more often. After having to put up with rigged PM games (for years) its a great relief and fun to play a game that's honest !

Dec 13, 2016 - 11:21am

Yesterday, I asked Chuck Butler(Daily Pfennig) that question

Chuck. Bank of Japan has tried monetary and fiscal stimulus for 26 years, still unable to produce any inflation. What makes Trump ideas so different? Why inflation expectations in America, when Japan failed to create any? You said that we were turning Japanese...Means no inflation in U.S.

Dec 13, 2016 - 11:25am

And here is Chuck's response to my question

There's a major difference between the Japanese consumers and the U.S. consumers. Japanese are savers...U.S. are spenders...and that's where you get the difference in inflation potential.

Dec 13, 2016 - 11:41am


I agree with your assessment of an "argument from authority." It is more likely to be true if the authority is trustworthy and an expert. For some reason, I do not trust the CIA. If anything, they are experts in propaganda.

Dec 13, 2016 - 11:47am

Dr J.Cheating at argumentation

Thanks for your response.

I guess we can all be sceptical of the Russian hacking report to be prepared by James Clapper, a known liar who was discovered to have committed perjury when testifying before Congress.

Dec 13, 2016 - 12:05pm

Nick Laird's silver chart

shows the same features that Adrian Douglas found for gold many years ago. It was summarized by selling at the morning fix (10 am London) and buying at the afternoon fix (3 pm London) and showing a huge profit (excluding commissions) over several years.

The same is true for silver, even though it has only one daily fix at noon. His silver chart shows an extreme dip at the 3 pm gold fix, indicating that gold drags silver.

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