A2A with Pining For the Fjords and Argentus Maximus

Thu, May 26, 2016 - 11:30am

Two of TFMetalsreport's independent contributors got together today and had a 3/4 hour conversation about markets, the times we live in, questions from many Turdites and a few things more. They recorded their conversation for this week's A2A podcast.

Here it is ...

RNP TFMR Pining Argentus 1

Have fun and enjoy our financial banter!

argentus maximus


The author posts daily commentary on the gold and silver markets in the TFMR forum: The Setup For The Big Trade. More of the author's work (mostly video) can be found here: RhythmNPrice.

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May 26, 2016 - 3:34pm

i want more of this!!!!

oh man, i love ya turd! and i love all the information gathered here...
*still smiling*
i can't get enuf of turdites chattin'
to know they're "realer" than the big names out there...only here.
dang dang DANG IT! this is really the coolest! i am so happy i got on board just in time<3
edit, i'm brewin' a pot of coffee and sideling up just like i would if you fellas were at the diner and i got to realize this in real time. i LOVE this new development....let's make this way more often...i love hearin' turdites "talk" as well as readin' yer all's thoughts...this is really so genuine and neat. <3<3<3
thanks pining and argentus...i was so tickled at this...at first i thought it was a joke, but as i see it has played out and enjoyed it... i only would like more<3 thx, fellas!
next time i'm gonna submit a question!!! dang it...i have so much to ask!

May 26, 2016 - 3:56pm

#2 The Silver Chart- The World's Silver Price Control Device

#1 King Dollar - The World's Currency Standard

#2 The Silver Chart - The World's Silver Price Control Device

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The Silver Chart - The World's Silver Price Control Device

The silver chart is also super simple to understand. It displays a silver price, and the price it displays is the price that buyers and sellers of physical Silver anywhere in the world reference for their transactions.

There are many different web-sites that display the silver chart. They might use different color schemes or fonts but they are all basically the same in that they display the same price data.

The price of Silver transactions anywhere in the world at any time will be conducted per the price displayed on the silver chart.

The silver chart is a device. That device controls the price of the world's physical Silver transactions.

Order from any online dealer or purchase from any local coin shop... the price of the transaction will ALWAYS be determined by the silver chart. That is what the silver chart does. That is it's function. It is The World's Silver Price Control Device.

There are many thousands of real people moving many thousands of ounces of real physical Silver all around the real planet at all hours of the day. The price of these transactions are controlled exclusively by the world's single silver chart.

when you look at a silver chart you should see it as the current price that real people are paying for real Silver in real time. This is the reality of the situation. try it...

imagine all those people calling online dealers, buying and selling on web-sites, or walking into coin shops... they are all moving Silver priced via "the silver chart". Russia, Mexico, Detroit, Poland, Silver.Com, wherever... and there might be some currency conversion math involved but they all start with the silver chart price.

This is the second in a series of studies that will allow readers to fully understand exactly what is happening re: The Global Fiat Monetary System vs Silver (and Gold). Understanding that the silver chart is the world's physical Silver price control device isn't that complicated but it's crucial to understanding current System vs Silver events and the order of the final events as Silver returns to it's global monetary role.

<--- if you look at the silver chart and superstitious tales of cartels and manipulation and monkeys and squeezes start running through your head... you're not going to have the first clue as to what is going on.

<---- the silver chart displays the real prices that real people really pay in their transactions for real Silver. Super simple, but very critical to understanding global events and being able to wisely position yourself and your family based on knowledge and understanding instead of the ever-changing superstitions and stories emanating out of the system camp.

Only Silver and Gold are Money

The Silver Chart - The World's Silver Price Control Device

Get this simple understanding 'crystal clear' before we move on to #3. Any questions at all about this subject? speak up. or contact me via private message if you prefer.

TF Metals fan
May 26, 2016 - 4:09pm

Thanks Argentus

You gave me enough to digest. This will take a while. But to fill in a few of your questions: I started with my first miners 4 years ago. Right: buying on a peak. Following the crowd. Currently I am out of all my losses so you may say I learned the hard way. Currently I invest based on the volatility of a stock (ATR) to decide size and stoplosses. Timeframe is a week. My latest new purchase was Metals X, an Australian miner. I try to allocate the mines across the globe and it is the first Australian miner in the list. No debt, 3% dividend and an increasing gold volume in the next four years. On top of that some other metals (nickel, tin) as well. Lower volatility than the average miner in my list. Btw: List is maintained in excel on a weekly basis.

To increase your worries slightly: Being out of the markets too much doesn't feel good. Afraid of missing out on the big one. Pretty vague, I know. Alternatively we first will see a sharp correction in global markets and then everything will come tumbling down. Just like in 2008.

At worst I will loose 60% of my recent gains. But I am more nervous of loosing out on a spike to the upside. Or is this another demon?

In any case: you gave me a nice checklist to crosscheck some of my choices. Thank you.

Human Mushroom
May 26, 2016 - 4:10pm

Talk Talk Talk

I never followed the markets as much as I have for the last 15 years, and especially since TFMR started. Perhaps this is my imagination, that there's this constant, constant, contact blathering from super important, highly exalted liars from the FED.

Has it really been this way in the markets over the decades? Or is this a relatively new phenomenon since the constant market manipulations began?

As of right now, it seems there's someone daily from the FED giving their view (gospel) on this market, or that market, or some nation doing this and that, whatever. There just isn't anyone reading the tape any longer or looking for value. The markets are jumping up and down viciously, just based on someone's lips moving.

Has every POTUS over the last 100 years come on the radio or TV to convince its citizens how great the economy is doing?

Seems to me the only time any of these people would need to preach how great things are is when it's not great.

May 26, 2016 - 4:20pm

Is there a rhyme with the 1970s gold market?

Thanks guys for the enlightening podcast. Your ideas made me want to do some comparisons to the 1970 gold bull market and what would happen today if it played out the same way in relation to time.

1969 12/31 $35 A point

1974 12/31 $195.25 B point 48 months 44.04 % of the total move

1976 8/31 $103.50 C point 20 months 18.35% of the total move

1980 1/31 $850.00 D point 41 months 37.61% of the total move

2001 April $274.70 A point 125 months 44.01% of the projected total move

2011 Sept $1920.80 B point 50 months 17.61% of projected total move

2015 Nov $1046.00 C point 109 months 38.38% of projected move *** (This is the wildcard)

or 109 months from November 2015 $8590.00

May 26, 2016 - 4:30pm
Royal Flush
May 26, 2016 - 4:31pm

51 chevy

My friend finally came over with the camera. Everyone has their own clock i guess...lol.

Dyna mo hum
May 26, 2016 - 4:35pm
May 26, 2016 - 4:35pm

Thanks AM / P4F

Wow. Now there are a couple of lines that'll be rattling around in my head for a while...

"Investing or trading is not an inspiration or hunch thing. It's a cold calculated pre-set pre-worked pre-tested strategy being implemented when pre-defined circumstances pull the trigger for you."

For those who've not heard Will Rogers' wise counsel: Never gamble. Take all your savings and buy some good stock and hold it till it goes up, then sell it. If it don’t go up, don’t buy it.

AIJ thedukes
May 26, 2016 - 4:45pm

Re: 1970's


Interesting, here was my comparison I did a while ago....

1970’s Gold Market Compared to 2000’s gold market


Low: $ 35.00 / Ounce

Intermediate: High $ 200.00 / Ounce

Intermediate Low: $ 100.00 / Ounce

Low to Intermediate High: 5.7 Times starting low price

Low to Intermediate Low: 2.85 Times starting low price

Final High: $ 875.00 / Ounce

Low to Final High: 25 Times starting price low.


Low: $ 255.00 / Ounce

Intermediate: High $ 1,950.00 / Ounce

Intermediate Low: $ 1180.00 / Ounce

Low to Intermediate High: 7.64 Times starting low price

Low to Intermediate Low: 4.62 Times starting low price

Extrapolation: 25 X $ 255.00 / Ounce = $ 6,375 = Final target price MINIMUM

May 26, 2016 - 5:09pm

Re: 1970's

I think we both agree the price will be much higher than in today's market. I was surprised how much longer this could actually drag on before reaching the final blow off phase. With three of the four points confirmed I was curious how much different this would be compared with the dates and timeframes provided by AM the other day.

With Russia and China participating today and not being part of the 1970's bull run timing can be different this time around.

James Crighton SS121
May 26, 2016 - 5:09pm

SS121 - #2


Await #3


jc (from the banks)

Ferd Torgerson Royal Flush
May 26, 2016 - 5:10pm

@Royal Flush

As some of my friends here in Texas would say, "You've got some nice iron there". And in your case, I'll bet there was not one ounce of fiberglass that went into trucks back in 1951.

Congratulations on a fine ride. Wish I had something that cool.

I have to ask, what are the GPS coordinates of where the truck is garaged and, is the place very well-lighted at night? I could see a road trip in Murphy's future.


May 26, 2016 - 5:21pm

Brent Cook - MIF May 2016: "Mining Equities from a Retail

Brent Cook - MIF May 2016: "Mining Equities from a Retail Perspective"

Nice explanation of economic deposits for the reatail investor.

Brent Cook - MIF May 2016: "Mining Equities from a Retail Perspective"
May 26, 2016 - 5:53pm

From Slovakia....

;-) Sorry, it didn't work...

Royal Flush
May 26, 2016 - 5:55pm

rofl Ferd :P

I used linux exiftool to scrub the metadata off the photo on purpose.

My baby will be on the barge to belize with me. Don't care to drive through mexico these days. The gas mileage isn't that great - I threw a 350 and a four speed automatic tranny in it - but hey it's only going to drive down to where the boat is any ways! The day any large unnamed german or swiss bank fails I am out of here!

murphy Ferd Torgerson
May 26, 2016 - 5:59pm


You know I don't do that kind of work anymore. I'll contract it out to my cousin

Кто пустил ее за руль?
Royal Flush
May 26, 2016 - 6:09pm


that was toooooo funny murphy.

just watch out for the trip wires.

May 26, 2016 - 6:12pm


#'s 1 & 2 pretty straight forward...Bring on #3.

May 26, 2016 - 6:38pm


Spot the difference – one is an American F-35, the other is the Chinese J-20 knockoff

Sputnik News
US Arms Industry Dead: World Bought American Weapons, Stole the Technology

May 26, 2016 - 6:46pm

@Royal Flush

Drooled a little there. I learned to drive in a '53. It hauled a lot of corn for many summers when I was a teenager. Your's is very nice, never seen one with no rust ha ha.

Woodbed stepside?

May 26, 2016 - 6:52pm

If Cliff is right, the Banksters....

....better watch out for the python in the toilet or Great White in the pool....or nail gun in the........

Ack! Watch out below! ST data has next 'wave' of 'unwitting, assisted, suicides' by 'banking elitists' just around corner


May 26, 2016 - 7:01pm

Good advice from a former Argentinian

Thursday, May 19, 2016

Shrinking U.S. middle class: 47% of Americans don’t have $400 for Emergencies

"The title says it all. A recent pool by The Federal Reserve Board shows that 47% of Americans would struggle to come up with $400 to deal with emergencies. The article is well worth reading.
The Secret Shame of Middle-Class Americans
The (misguided) idea is that higher education should come along with massive debt. If we add to that a mortgage and car payments most Americans simply accept the fact of living in debt most of their adult lives. If we throw in unexpected job/career difficulties or serious diseases, this means most Americans struggle with keeping themselves from going bankrupt if not literally dying.
Lesson of the day: Cash is king, even for economic collapses you want a cash cushion. Economic disasters teach us that in nearly all cases cash does not lose value overnight, especially not stable well recognized currencies. You should aim to have at least a month worth of expenses in cash.
If banks close and ATMs run out of money, how much cash do you have at hand?
Fernando “FerFAL” Aguirre is the author of “The Modern Survival Manual: Surviving the Economic Collapse” and “Bugging Out and Relocating: When Staying is not an Option”.


Royal Flush
May 26, 2016 - 7:06pm

yea Dirt

wood and chrome in the back end.

May 26, 2016 - 7:08pm

Russia Killed 28,000

Russia Killed 28,000 Terrorists in Syria, One Third of All ISIS Forces

21stcenturywire.com / BY STUART HOOPER / MAY 26, 2016

21st Century Wire says…

These are the kind of results you can achieve when you are serious about stopping terrorism.

Watch a video of this report here:

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puro oro
May 26, 2016 - 7:11pm

Can't find a post

I know, its my age....but I read a post this morning with a hyper link about this guy that is not going to sell his silver until twenty items have been met. Would someone kindly direct this old man, me, to that article. Thanks.

Royal Flush
May 26, 2016 - 7:22pm


can't find that

Ferd Torgerson murphy
May 26, 2016 - 7:44pm


I have to say you've trained him very well. Although, I don't think he's yet reached your level of expertise.


May 26, 2016 - 7:57pm

Tom Cloud

Also pointing to left field for Silver...

Silver Flashes Buy Signal as Price Hits $16.25 | Tom Cloud
May 26, 2016 - 8:08pm


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