It's a long hard journey ...

It’s a long Journey

Since recent events, like the opening of the Shanghai Gold Exchange, Deutsch Bank paying 5% interest for a limited time, the rise of bankruptcies  and other crazy  shi… stuff  that Jim Willie explains so well, it really might be different this time... maybe…  at least getting closer.

Good thing we still have time. So, I thought that yet another prepping perspective might be in order…  Gotta stay on the cutting edge, you know.

Back in 2011, when I began stacking and figured that I’d be very wealthy very soon, my wife’s sister came to stay for a week. She was an uber-prepper. We had begun to stock up on a few items, but she kicked us into high gear upon her arrival. She and my wife canned, dehydrated, sealed and stored away a year’s worth of food that week. Her urgency was palpable.  And she said we were just getting started. At Christmas, she sent a gift box complete with survival tools, gas masks and camp-cooking utensils. We were prepped… or so we thought. 

A year later, her husband—a policeman in a large US city who thought his wife was crazy for prepping, was selected for crowd control training about the time the police were becoming militarized. (I think that might be him ln the left.) He changed his tune and told her to keep prepping and bought her a pink handgun for Christmas.

As the fury of prepping subsided, we settled back to normal life to wait for the end, and waited, and waited. We recognized, after some thought, that things may unfold differently than we thought. The collapse might happen slowly. And these growing kids of ours would need to be fed for more than just a few months… in fact, if the unthinkable occurred, we would have to feed the whole family indefinitely.

Well, that part was easy, we bought about a hundred dollars of Heirloom seeds sow we could grow all our own food if needed. Now we were ready. Just go out back and plant those seeds and we would be eating well forever.

But the para-military police never came knocking and we decided  to move from Ohio to Arizona to be close to immediate family. After the moving process, we had to be sure we were prepped all over again. And then, a good friend, who had also been prepping and owned a 160 acre farm, was robbed! They stole all his guns, some cash, and took his wife’s jewelry.  And he lived 7 miles out of town! The incident made me feel very vulnerable…

Well, Arizona is in the arid zone. Farming is hard here. Gardening is hard here. Preppers abound, which is comforting, but in vitro zombies also abound. And what is worse, we could only afford to buy a small townhouse in this college town and the volcanic cinder, pine needle laden dirt is terrible for gardens. That is quite a step down from our 5 acres, pond, fresh water spring, chicken coops and unlimited garden space in Ohio. So we have re-started our prepping odyssey… sort of…

In our efforts to re-ready ourselves, we connected with a nearby  member here on this blog (he goes by "Geofarmer"—his real name is Qui-Gon Jinn) who lives nearby and we stopped by to visit and see his self-sustainable farm/business/family estate/dream property that we totally drooled over. We learned a few things that day.

Aaaahhh, the life of a farmer …  filled with healthy food, baby animals, fun for the kids, beautiful land, lying back in a field, hands folded behind my head, watching clouds while chewing on an grass stem


…a whole lot of hard work, government meddling, spring storms that kill blossoms, pests, drought, skunks running amok in the garden, zombies, and did I mention hard work?

I need to go home and rethink my life!

And as I have been rethinking for the past few months since our wonderful visit to his family farm, I wanted to share some of his wisdom that sunk in (probably the wrong things from his view) and how that wisdom is causing us to reformulate our plan.

As Qui-Gon said, “It is a long, hard journey from a bucket of heirloom seeds to a self-sustainable farm.”

But do not despair. I am convinced that one can make it there—especially when eating hangs in the balance. And knowledge can pave that road and even make it shorter.

Apprentice farmer lesson 1: Ground—where.?

Land that has never been cultivated is bereft of nutrients in the soil—the kind you may not have time to develop in a difficult situation.  Do not reinvent the wheel. The best ground, according to Qui -Gon, is an old farmhouse where they have been cultivating that dirt around the house for generations. In the US Midwest, most old farms have been split up, with the old  homestead selling cheap with 2-4 acres of ground. But that is the real prize, if you don’t mind an old house in need of renovation. Good, fertile, gardened, ground with fruit trees and a steady well. The 67 acres that used to be the main plot? Let the farmer next door buy it and farm it. Then make friends with all the neighbors! And either renovate the home or build a new one right on that site. It’s not the house on that 2 acre lot, it’s the dirt! Actually, I was really surprised at how little ground Qui-Gon has set aside for serious farming-gardening. Only about an acre?  His other ground is for commercial-type crops like Halloween pumpkins.  (Note: this is not Qui-gon's farm. He warned that I should not reveal its location or anything about it or my training would suddenly end, badly.)

Apprentice farmer lesson 2: Water—yuck !

I always though you just drill a well and you got water. But in my area the ground water can be good or it can be bad. In fact, the place we purchased for our bug-out home has bad water below it, coming up from an old lake bed 300 feet down, filled with minerals and even arsenic. Qui-Gon says that if you water your garden regularly with that water, you will concentrate those minerals in your topsoil, eventually decreasing yields and ruing it. The answer? Collect your rain water! Even in my area, where there is only 14 inches of rain per year, I can store enough to keep a solid garden going strong.

Apprentice farmer lesson 3: Plants that give instead of take

You know, some plants just prefer to grow in your area. They take little care—just sun and water and a bit of mulching and they will give you more of their produce than you can handle. Enjoy it and recognize that this plant is a giver.  Do not despise teh gift through familiarity. Grow more of it! Meanwhile, your favored tomatoes are a pain in the arse, with fat green tomato worms attacking it (don’t eat those). Why fight nature. Find the plants that grow well in your environment. Plan the right thing! In fact, a "Master Gardener" colleague at the school is bring me some pinto beans that used to be the staple in this area, but are no longer grown due to housing developments taking over all the tillable farmland nearby. There is only one farm left that grows these drought resistant, high elevation loving beans. And I hope to have a sack of them soon.

Apprentice farmer lesson 4: Two growth cycles instead of one.

This was a simple one. Grow plants that go through their cycle quickly instead of slowly. Plant an early crop in the spring—something that doesn’t mind a late frost too much. And then plant another crop later in the summer—one that will mature before winter sets in. In my area, I can find two types of beans that will do this.

Apprentice farmer lesson 5: Keep the future in mind.

Make your decisions on a longer time-table. What will you eat this winter? What will you eat next summer. What about next year? Your choice of what to plant and grow require some foresight and common sense. Those two-week radishes and cherry tomatoes will not keep you fed next May while when you are waiting for your spring crop to mature.

Apprentice farmer lesson 6: Hard work

Did I mention that farming requires work—lots of it. It’s not the kind that injures your joints from too much lifting or twisting with a heavy load in your arms, but simply the consistent daily grind of taking care of your dirt and plants. Storing your product. There will always be something to do. Frankly, it is a full time job.

Apprentice farmer lesson 7: Innovation

While you should not reinvent the wheel and we should all hang out with people like Qui-Gon  or even take master gardening classes, don’t forget to apply your creativity to solving your own unique problems. Sleep on it. a creative solution will pop into your mind as you open your eyes in the morning. Don’t be afraid to try new things. Experiment. Start new projects. See what works for you.

Apprentice farmer lesson 8: Ability to do without.

There are some things we may all just have to do without, like my Sugar Frosted Chocolate Bomb cereal each morning with 1% low fat milk and two spoon fulls of white refined sugar..  Goat’s milk may have to suffice. And I’ll have to switch to oatmeal with some strawberries and honey (yuck). But sacrifices will have to be made.

Qui-Gon also warned about Zombies. I hope somebody can dedicate a whole post to this issue. But if food really gets scarce, the place where there will be the least is in the cities. In some areas, (and mine is one) we may be faced with hungry people looking for pizzas invading the town and sneaking through your property each night. Wadayagonnado? Just food for thought here… Like the realtors say… “Location, location, location!”

Did I mention that farming a is whole lot of hard work? We sort of knew that from trying to raise chickens. Building a coon/coyote-proof coop is tough. You don’t just pound in a few green steel fence posts and string the chicken wire. Actually, the coop is probably most important: needs to be safe, secure, and easy to get the eggs. But most of all, you have to remember to close it every night—cause that’s when the predators come. And really, chickens need to free-range and feed themselves mostly, or you will spend as much on feed as you would on eggs. While my inner health nut sees no problem with that, my inner survivalist does. So we have determined to spare no expense on a coop, but trust natural selection to weed out the dumb chickens, leaving the stay-at-home egg layers to us.

My final naive thought here is that … we will make it.  And that will be in no small part to other members here like Geofarmer who have good answers to difficult and complicated questions.

I plan to work very, very hard on our garden-farm to grow whatever kind of food my region will yield. We may get sick of eating the same things every day, but that will be balanced by our love of eating. Without a doubt, working hard and steadily from sun-up until sun-down will provide sufficient food to stay alive. (I am appreciating my grandparents more every year). But the continuous work will need to become what I enjoy doing—I certainly may not get to do much else…

And I’ll need to continuously educate myself in gardening—knowing what to grow and how to best grow it, how to store it, and how to guarantee that we will have a crop next year. The experts say that it takes 8000-10000 hours (4-5 years) to become an expert at something.

Youth versus age. The young have boundless energy—they can afford to do things over, to make mistakes, to survive on little if need be, and enjoy each other’s physical presence to make up for the hardship and still enjoy life. But us old farts only have limited energy— I need to do things the right way, the first time.  We can survive on little but prefer not to, and look less to physical comforts for enjoyment, but cherish time with kids, grandkids and one another in meaningful conversation. We desire to know that our children will make it, and will pass on life skills to our grandchildren.

I will also need to learn to hedge my bets, so to speak, growing food I may not necessarily like, but has a better chance of survival in a dry year… as well as another crop that has a better chance in a wet one. There is no end to what I must learn, perhaps just to keep my family alive.

And finally, we will have to learn to have fun in different ways. Dining out, movies, theater may be a thing of the past. But family dinners, baby animals, and GEP (Grandkid Entertainment Productions) will have to do. And I suspect that I will enjoy these more deeply than I ever enjoyed having my mind dumbed down watching TV and reading the Wall Street Journal.  

I have no doubt that any and every skill for surviving in a different world will at least come in handy, and at worst, such skills will be essential to life. Nothing we learn will be wasted. So I welcome my 69 year old aunt who is great with making plants grow, as well as my 27 year old nephew with military skills. We all need one another if we want a life better than the hunter-gatherers of a past age—an age where game and vegetation were bountiful. We will need to create a community of relatives and friends… but that is fodder for a later post.


Safety Dan's picture

Most impressive Dr J.

Most impressive Dr J.

Here's another thought as one learns the lessons of life posted by Dr J above. 

Harvard Study Finds Fluoride Lowers IQ


cliff 567's picture

Thanks Bro. J

I'm no where near those photos but 5 years now re-learning what I learned early in life is paid for in full watching the family's children eating garden fresh vegetables and berries as snacks in preference to the processed crap that is sold in plastic and keeps on a store shelf for years.

The babies like what they like and as they grow into adults they still like good, healthy food over the junk. Go figure.

vonburpenstein's picture

timely Dr. Jerome....

.....Look less to physical comforts for enjoyment and more time with kids, grandkids, etc....AMEN TO THAT

....and lots of hard work...great wisdom 

An excellent collection of wisdom right here folks....Thanks Dr. J!

Also visit Dr. Jerome'$ comment corner in the forum section for non payees...

Beez's picture

A lot of people don't have kids and grandkids..

But we have a network of like minded friends. I have land and grow food but don't and won't ever own weapons but I do have friends with weapons and ham radios. We have talked about survival and how to help eachother. Honestly after eight years of free ranging my chickens I still have to purchase most of their feed. I try to practice biodiversity but it is not working. Living in a small progressive community of like minded people is important. My town has a seed bank! My hedge is a passport and bank account in another country. Zombies, maybe, but if you look at history this hasn't happened. I think the mad max theory is big on this site because you are mostly men here. Eight years ago I did and bought everything on the "list of 100 things to do for survivor" that was mentioned on this site and I have had a tremendous peace of mind since then. I am mentally prepared and have decided I will be strong and I will be a leader. In her meantime all you can do is enjoy every single thing life on this beautiful planet has to offer. The path we are going down isn't set in stone. Wonderful things can still happen, new energy forms we haven't even thought about will be invented. I have planned for the worst but continue to hope for the best!

luvabean's picture

holy cow!!! dr. j...this post is phenomenal!!!A++++++ <3<3<3

three hearts means i reeeeally like it!

i am an avid gardener myself and worry that things may not be all that great by the time i can afford my own parcel of heaven...
i rent currently and got permission to put a potato patch in the back where the lawn was overrun with thistles since i've moved in.
hand dug everyone one of those snotty persistant buggers...
and covered it in a back to eden style garden plot. i wasn't able to find every spud last fall...
and now have 15 volunteer beauties popping up to say "hello<3!"
purple vikings, caribes, reds, russets...dang...i am blessed and i haven't even worked the bed yet!!
for as much as i like to garden this wasn't enuf for my greedy veggie lovin' tummy and the cases and cases of jars that patiently wait for the bounty i coax from ingenuity and stubborness...
as i am NOT allowed to tear up the entire backyard....(*i am soo thankful for what landlord did allow me and i hope that if i finished the edges of the beds, pretty like, he'll allow me more perimeter wasteland to cultivate, i'll probably grease the wheels abit with some fresh homegrown bribing as well ;}*)
i have resorted to some neat ways of getting around having to till...or dig thistles...or anything like that.
i love larry halls "kiddie pool sytem"...and as i used to work at valspar i have painted and decorated these pools (12 of them last year...5-6 bags each) to be little satellite gems around the yard! it works so dang gooood!
i haven't fussed with the fancy floats....i just drilled holes two inches up and mulched with stone around my little walmart "growbags"....painted the pools and inserted cute little garden statues and let the rain do the rest...
and if the rain didn't come, i'd just haul some buckets from my rainbarrels positioned under my embarrassingly leaky gutters with my little red wagon and dump in the goodness from above<3

corn...YES, FULL GROWN 8 FOOT HEIRLOOM CORN!!!!, "tommytoes", peppers squash, eggplant....peas and beans, carrots!!!!!!
check this out...
sent with love,
larry hall's grow bag system

back to eden "mini" doc....the full one is on the back to eden website..

worth the time to watch the full film...i believe it's THE ANSWER!

and i love this guy's channel for the experiments and techniques which he shares in great detail...
*i love single stemming tommytoes *as my baby niece says*

every growbag i own sits in at least a kitty pan for watering<3
i really hope you like these vids and maybe they'll offer something for you.
(i love stackin' silver....but it's really hard to compare stacking your own produce on the counter, canning them and stackin' your very own sustenance wrought with the sweat from your brow, and the love of your hands<3
with love,

GuerrillaCapitalist's picture

Great Conversation Starter

Many thanks, Jerome, your post hits close to home, especially the old fart references.

I don't have much time at the moment, since dinner is about ready and the cook gets rather testy if I'm not ready when the food is.

You mentioned chickens. By all means please check out for post graduate level training in how to not only raise chickens, but to use them to till gardens, process compost and fertilize. Justin Rhodes and family are living the life of happy farmers and are generous in sharing their experiences. You'll find free plans to build chicken tractors, coops and other cool farm hacks.

Next check out for enough information across all things related to small scale farming, prepping, zombie control and more.

I have no association with Justin Rhodes or Jack Spirko, simply a fan.

More later...

UulaBear's picture

Thanks for the Great Post!!

Wait, so you're telling me farming is hard work? wink

I prefer the type of vegetation that grows naturally (without the hard work)... although I'm not sure there's enough of it. surprise

A good friend of mine wants to acquire some farmland and his quote is, "I'm telling you, Farmland" I'm starting to believe him. 

BIGNASTY's picture

Dr. Jerome........................

Thanks for All you do here at TFMR, another winner. Will be shopping for some quality farmland in a few weeks and you have given me some good insights. Thanks again!

JY896's picture

Great post, Dr. J

Thank you for sharing. For someone who spent much of his childhood weekends digging, weeding, planting, watering (from a hand-drawn well, no less), picking and canning, my self-sustenance preps are woefully inadequate still - I have much to learn and re-learn.

Your reminder is both timely and inspiring. I know I don't have to tell you to keep at it and persevere. It's great to hear you've managed to find a nearby Jedi (courtesy of this site, no less). All the best to you and yours.

Fatso's picture

Trying to sleep beside my crying wife . . .

She says we need to sell silver and buy real estate.

Based on her media beliefs 40 years ago and will not read any info since then!

AlienEyes's picture

@ Fatso

Buy her a nice gold necklace and explain to her (again) why it has value. Then consider buying a small, (2-5 acre) plot of undeveloped land as a future home site. It will make a nice place to bury your stash. If you do go "underground" with your stack, be sure to "salt" the entire area with BBs, small nails and metal bottle caps. They can drive a metal detector absolutely nuts.

I have a friend who bought six inert land mines at a surplus store, opened them up and added a sheet of aluminum foil and some sand to give them weight and buried them around and over his stack. They should be excellent for making a digger decide to dig elsewhere.  laugh 


Doctor J,

Another great and informative piece of work, as usual.   yes

A word of caution : Be very careful if you see field mice, small lizards or pack rats in your garden because where you find them, you will also find rattlesnakes.  surprise 

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Turd Ferguson's picture

Great post, Doc


Really well done. Thank you!

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GuerrillaCapitalist's picture

How to Advise Great Nephew & Niece at High School Graduation


I hope this isn't an intrusion on Dr Jerome's fine thread, but I think it fits.

We've talked over the years of how to awaken our family and friends to what is just over the horizon. I've given up talking to most people about anything  beyond the weather. However, I have a great nephew and great niece graduating from high school and preparing for university. They will need to take student loans in order to fund about 50% of the cost. Their parents judiciously saved and invested for the college fund, but as we all know, that didn't work out as hoped.

I am the eccentric uncle living in the wilds of Appalachia on land our family has controlled for over two centuries. They both enjoy their infrequent visits and brag to their friends about the quality of the food served and the diversity of what we grow. They are both mechanically inclined and love to spend time tinkering with machinery and assorted infrastructure of a working farm. They know food doesn't originate in plastic wrap from the local grocery store. 

They both know something is seriously wrong, but their normalcy bias seems to prevent them from digging deeply enough to hear my version of the truth.

We've decided to give each one an ounce of gold as a graduation gift along with a letter laying out the case for taking a cold hard look at the facts as they are rather than the facts they wish were true.

I'm asking for the wisdom of this community as I struggle with how to tell two eighteen year old suburban young adults what I've gleaned from fifty plus years of investing and as a hired gun for the cabal that has usurped the rule of law.

Thank you for reading a heartfelt ramble from an old man fearful of the future for my beloved relatives.

Be well, my fellow Turdites,


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@guerillacapitalist, you have a gift that hasn't been given yet!

as a crazy auntie that my nieces and nephews love... at every birthday and holiday i give each child a maple, *left with their parents for safe keeping.
i also try to find stories that fit it into contexts off of stuff they like to talk about, that would most easily usher the message...without tryin' to be "too hip" as it doesn't really flow as well as i'd like. i find they love the stories of my experiences best, as i am crazy enough to be brutally honest, these kids are not dumb and it would be unfair to understate...
they question so much...(after, of course, their phones die and they have to recharge them! ;}
alas, it's hard to reach the millenials...the indoctrination hem...i  mean, public schools has helped to make it that way.
but life guides better than any prep school or series of exams.
dang, i fought my old man tooth and nail in high scholl, before saving up my landscaping money and moving to alaska to snub a nose at him...and now, i call him up to beggin' to have a beer on the back deck!
looking back at my ideas at 18 to my understandings at just short of 40...i wonder if i would have sold off the stack i've worked so hard to accrue now, then. sadly, i probably would have at least 3 different times.
and then there were years that i paid more in social security deductions than some of my college going friends were clearing "take home".
it's a wild ride that got us here and sadly, it is why hind sight remains 20/20. you can rest assured you gave them a beautiful gift. gifts can be given...but wisdom has to be earned. you can't have any expectations of what they'll do with it...god forbid even if it rises enuf for them to buy a hot set of wheels destined to impress their friends for a summer and rust the following winters. this is the hardest for me, and i'm sure it concerns you alittle as well.
but, then again...ya' never know...
my second to youngest nephew at the ripe age of 8...saves his allowance for his first chunk of gold. he wants to buy it himself...and i brought him online to look at all the options and explain to him why they are so expensive. his birthday is this week and i bought him a special "cougar" he loves big cats...right after my own heart.
you never know what will happen as outcome, but i know that without knowing then, my lifestyle opened more doors to the kids...they actually think i'm cool 'cuz i'm so different. example leads...the two teens think it's awesome i debate with the "elders". always with respect....and passion.
but beyond the gifts you just gave, and the example you lead...
you have this wonderful property that i am assuming has enough room about it to need helping hands?
if it is to be as interesting as some assume and hope mightily against...
you have the greatest gift of all.
the room on your land to share,
and in your heart to desire it.
just a thought, dear...
in my opinion that is worth MORE than goldheart

tyberious's picture

1600 Pennsylvania Ave, or

1600 Pennsylvania Ave, or Rikers Island?

NOTE: For those who are still unfamiliar with the litany of felonies the Clintons have committed, please read: The Clinton Crime Family Exposed and Hillary’s 22 Biggest Scandals Ever

from David Dees,

tyberious's picture

Danny B

Keynes and family destruction

J. M. Keynes, "The third element was his deep hatred and contempt for the values and virtues of the bourgeoisie, for conventional morality, for savings and thrift, and for the basic institutions of family life."
Keynes joined a group at Cambridge called the "Apostles"
" And all of them energetically pursued a lifestyle of promiscuous bisexuality, as was brought to light in Michael Holroyd's (1967) biography of Strachey."
"Keynes and his friends accepted only what they held to be Moore's personal ethics (i.e., what they called Moore's "religion"), while they totally rejected his social ethics (i.e., what they called his "morals").
Keynes never married and hated the "family" intensely.

"But analysis of the social science literature demonstrates that the root cause of poverty and income disparity is linked undeniably to the presence or absence of marriage. Broken families earn less and experience lower levels of educational achievement. Worse, they pass the prospect of meager incomes and Family instability on to their children, ensuring a continuing if not expanding cycle of economic distress.

Simply put, whether or not a child's parents are married and stay married has a massive affect on his or her future prosperity and that of the next generation. Unfortunately, the growth in the number of children born into broken families in America--from 12 for every 100 born in 1950 to 58 for every 100 born in 1992 --has become a seemingly unbreakable cycle that the federal government not only continues to ignore, but even promotes through some of its policies."
How Broken Families Rob Children of Their Chances for Future Prosperity

Keynes, Marx, Hegel,,, all of them wanted the family destroyed so that the State would be your only God. GOV hands out tons of money in many areas that actually promote destruction of the family and general irresponsibility.
" But generally, children who grow up in a stable, two-parent Family have the best prospects for achieving income security as adults."

So, what do all those broken families bring us?
"#6 Approximately one out of every four prisoners on the entire planet are in U.S. prisons, but the United States only accounts for about five percent of the total global population."
#14 The incarceration rate for African-American men is more than 6 times higher than it is for white men.

#15 An astounding 37.2 percent of African-American men from age 20 to age 34 with less than a high school education were incarcerated in 2008.
#14 The incarceration rate for African-American men is more than 6 times higher than it is for white men.

#15 An astounding 37.2 percent of African-American men from age 20 to age 34 with less than a high school education were incarcerated in 2008.
WTF Headline Of The Day: GOP Senator Says "US Is Under-Incarcerated," Should Lock Up More People | Zero Hedge
Almost nobody is willing to talk about it;

Manning also talks about conditions before GOV took to mandating support for black families;

The State may very well destroy the family but, it will destroy social cohesion at the same time.

canary's picture

Two horses die in Preakness races

   I will not be watching those races anymore.

Fred Hayek's picture

Good stuff, Dr. J

There was a video somewhere, a year or so back that I wanted to share here but couldn't find.  It focused on a small farm in California that was producing a tremendous yield and breezing right through their drought conditions by using a tremendous amount of compost.  IIRC, they had rich, compost amended soil 3-4 feet deep and it worked fantastically well.  If I can find the damn video I'll come back and give a link.

Dr Jerome's picture


Fatso: Are you sure you are not the one crying. I think I would.  Actually, I am investing at least half of my earnings in real estate--carefully picked, preferring rural property with small farming capability. My rules are 1) that a property needs to be priced low enough to survive a crash AND 2) needs to be attractive to renters so that it could pay its own way until I need it.  Can the two of you agree on what kind of real estate. Could be a good move--especially if it keeps your marriage strong.  Flippers beware!  this is not a time to buy a 250K home, and hope to sell it for 325K next year.  We are nearing all time highs, with many homes overpriced by demand from sub-prime borrowers again.

Marchas? any thoughts on a potential real estate crashes?  Is now the time to buy? Are any other realtors on the blog here with a n informed opinion?

GuerillaCapitalist: Here is a link to a post from a few months back. Cut and paste any portions of it you find helpful. The charts seem to have disappeared.

marchas45's picture


This is the time to buy. People in the know are starting to buy land now that was laying dormant for the past few years. Fields are in high demand up here.

In my opinion real estate is going to be hot this year and will crash at the end of next year. C

GuerrillaCapitalist's picture

@Fred Hayek Surviving Drought Conditions


I don't know the folks you speak of, but I know the practices you describe and I'm sure the story is true.

Geoff Lawton is a very well respected permaculterist and teacher. He used permaculture techniques to farm in the desert with only the water that fell. He used every drop many times. Do a search and you'll find oodles of information.

Dr Jerome's picture

Thanks Marchas

That makes sense. Real estate busts seem to lag the rest of the economy as banks keep the game going and the foreclosures take a while to cycle through the system and flood the market with cheap houses.

I had read that farmland was much cheaper today than in the boom years of 2007-2010.  Good land was over 15K per acre in much of my area in on the Ohio-Indiana border  back then.

GuerrillaCapitalist's picture

@luvabean Thanks for the Wonderful Commentary

My Dear Neighbor, luvabean:

I have enjoyed your posts since you joined my absolute favorite community. I am a bit chagrined that I haven't said so until now.

Your comments resonated with me because I too, am the favorite elder of most of the clan. I consider all my nephews and nieces as my own offspring and their children are my grandchildren. I don't differentiate between my son's children and the offspring of my siblings.

I talk to the youngsters just as I do the adults, of course I take into account tender ears and sensibilities.  We've spoken of the perilous times we live in and what I see looming into view.  Most of the family simply chalk up such talk as the ramblings of an eccentric old warrior, with respect of course. I think normalcy bias is in play along with the ostrich syndrome that plagues most citizens.

I've always given silver for any occasion that calls for gifts along with a few times a year just because I love them. It's fun to package up a bunch of Maples and send them out into the world. I'm not the obstinate curmudgeon that's forgotten the joy of receiving toys, so a balance has been struck. All gifts are given without condition. If adults want to sell the coins as soon as they get them, that's their decision. The children's coins are held in trust by a trusted parent or other responsible adult.

With the exception of a few sociopathic members of the family all are welcome to make a home at the farm. We have continued the family tradition of building houses and cabins as the need arises.  We are fortunate to have dozens of extended family living on the land.  We are unusual in that we don't farm row crops due to gmo pollution. We've switched to market gardens and pasture raised livestock. The market is exploding and we sell everything we produce, so there is ample opportunity.

Education has always been important to the family. Both of my parents had advanced degrees as did most of their siblings. A very high percentage of their children have university degrees. My wife and I both have post graduate degrees.

My question remains: How do I convince my grandchildren that times have changed and a university degree has a great chance of being an albatross around their throats, rather than the advantage we enjoyed. Has anyone been able to get the point across to late stage teenagers?

Thanks one and all,


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@ Dr Jerome

Great post! :)

i keep my greenhouse heated in the winter with a rocket mass heater. i can grow year round in there. even though i live in the north bay area there are still a weeks worth of days that get down below 32 degrees every winter. I realize that isn't like the rest of the country but think about this - i only burn about a double hand full of wood a day to keep it @ 70 - 75 degrees. people up in washington state keep their whole house heated with a 2'x2'x16" stack for the day. half again that much if it's like 20 below. this should be of interest to everyone should the electricity and gas ever stop working and someone who lived up north needed to heat their homes and not die. or how about just getting rid or that pesky gas and electric bill? i pay about 30-40 bucks a month on that and i live in cali! highest taxes and utility bills in the nation...

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there is a wealth of info there including: seed saving, gardening, livestock and everything you would ever want to know about the rocket stove.

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Not a problem if you keep an opossum around; not affected by hemotoxins and clean up lizards, cockroaches, grasshoppers and other pests.  

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For Fred Hayek: from sierra skier

This is for Fred Hayek

Hat Tip!


You asked about a farm in N. California that has production amounts many times the norm through solid farming practices and I believe this is what you spoke about. What I found interesting is that I just found a link to this farm a couple of hours ago and here it is brought up again.

If someone could notify Fred about the link and/or maybe post it on the home page post by Dr J, I would be grateful,,, thanks.

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Real estate?

Now is not the time to buy housing. I do believe now is a good time to buy raw land or agricultural land. The real estate market is about in the third/ fourth quarter of 2005 and headed to March 2006 fairly quick. Just heard from friend that something seems to have just broken in the Charlotte market last couple of weeks too. 

Always try to find land that backs up to state or county land, especially if it's good hunting area. Consider it free extension of your property. Wetlands are also good too have for hunting and buffering...

Great article too Doc. Thanks

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Keep it simple

Just but a 2 year supply of soylent and you have the best nutrition technology can buy. All you need is water. Easy Peasy, don't be a nut job.

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