Batchelor and Cohen Return

Wed, Nov 4, 2015 - 8:21am

Batchelor and Cohen returned last evening with another excellent New Cold War update.

I was out all day yesterday so I've not yet had a chance to listen to this program. As background, here's some verbiage from the newly-formatted Batchelor Show podcast page:

Tuesday 3 November 2015 / Hour 2, Block A: Stephen F. Cohen is Prof. Emeritus of Russian Studies, History, Politics, at NYU and Princeton. He is also a member of the Board of the recently-formed American Committee for East-West Accord (; in re:

Thursday conference, The Crisis in US-Russia Relations, from Ukraine to Syria: Is Congress Overlooking Its Causes and Potential Solutions? The Ukrainian crisis represents a low in U.S.-Russian relations not seen since the fall of the Soviet Union—and the recent Russian intervention in the Syrian civil war is only making things worse. American and Russian jets flying bombing missions in close proximity to one another raises the possibility of a military accident between two nuclear-armed powers. As the New York Times warns, the complicated and shifting landscape of alliances leaves us “edging closer to an all-out proxy war between the United States and Russia.”

The majority of Americans never lived through the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962 or the darkest decades of the Cold War—they have led lives without the looming specter of nuclear war. But the areas of conflict between our nations are growing: the conflict in Ukraine, the expansion of NATO, Russia’s involvement in Syria, and other lesser issues are driving a new wedge between the U.S. and Russia.

While most would agree that conflict between the United States and Russia benefits no one, the likelihood of such conflict, as well as the serious consequences it could bring, are not being adequately discussed on Capitol Hill. In the interest of fostering more robust debate on U.S.-Russia relations, Rep. Conyers will convene an informal hearing featuring four eminent American experts on the subject. All four are members of the Board of the recently re-founded American Committee for East-West Accord ( a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization whose purpose is to promote public discussion and debate about the state of U.S. and Russian relations.

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2c piece
Nov 4, 2015 - 8:43am

Great that they are back,

Great that they are back, where is everybody?

Nov 4, 2015 - 10:13am

Will they kill us all?

Looking at the evidence, do they really care at all how many and where? How did we get to the point where our officials murder millions and we're like, Yah that's fine. I'm always hearing about Christian this and that but they're apparently all OK with mass murder and genocide in the name of 'national security' and 'American interests'. I'm no theologian but it seems to me that would be more Satan's deal.

Nov 4, 2015 - 10:37am

Frontline program on Syria

Last weeks Frontline was on Syria and is very interesting to those of us who are following this saga.

Mr. Fix
Nov 4, 2015 - 10:39am

It's the Game the elites play

@ lnardozi,

The elite have been using religion which they invented for the task, for conquering and dividing people for tens of thousands of years. The victors are always predetermined, as the big three "western" contrived religions take turns pounding each other into oblivion. It's population control, and gamesmanship all rolled into one.

Some people are taught to kill in the name of God, while others are taught to die in the name of God. It's been going on since religion was invented.

There is a God, but this universal force has nothing whatsoever to do with what we are witnessing.

Very few will ever discover the truth, because contradicting any religion is considered "evil", which is why few ever wake up from their delusions.

You are quite right, and billions are being set up for slaughter in the name of God.

The pattern just keeps repeating itself, and future theologians will even come up with a convoluted narrative explaining why God was right to kill off billions of us, just like they've done so many times before.

History just keeps repeating itself, because if history has taught us anything, it has taught us that people do not learn anything from history.

There's just no fixing stupid.

Nov 4, 2015 - 11:57am

It just bothers me

I don't understand. Why is all this murder not being denounced by every major religion? Why are we all accessories after the fact? Why aren't all our surviving Presidents dragged into Congress in chains and charged with war crimes? By my accounts I'm indirectly responsible for way more than a million innocents murdered in direct contravention of a Just War policy, which is supposed to be the Christian ideal. All those Presidents claimed to be Christian, so what's up with that? Why doesn't it bother anyone else that their tax dollars go to murder people I'd just as soon leave alone? For cheaper oil? That's ridiculous, far cheaper to just buy it whatever the cost and avoid the indirect costs of the multi-trillion dollar wars. The "real" Christians seem to be completely oblivious to the concept of Just War and applaud every atrocity.

James Crighton lnardozi
Nov 4, 2015 - 12:10pm

Indeed Inardozi

but what makes it worse is that the Church - well, the Catholic and Church of England and the Presbytarian churches anyway - are complicit. They should be shouting from their pulpits the iniquity of war. And, certainly, they should be using all their might (from the pulpit) to decry the usury that is the centrepiece of government in the West. But no, they are complicit - the Church - at least in the UK - is just an arm of the rogue State / elites. Gone right off it I have. Believe in God, Jesus and the Bible - but not organised religion. Bejaysus, if Jesus came back today he would surely be most upset at what is being done in his name.


Nov 4, 2015 - 1:02pm

FWIW - we're all in this boat

I shamelessly copied from Miles Franklin - because I know EVERYONE here has asked himself this question;

Q: Hi! I have been purchasing physical silver every month for quite a few years now.

My question is at seventy years old do you think the present state of affairs could out live me? I honestly thought it would have collapsed already.

What I am asking is do you think TPTB could keep this financial system and the price of silver below twenty dollars going for twenty more years? Dave Mc.

David Schectman's Answer:

Dave,I am 73 and ask myself that same question every day. My answer is NO! TPTB cannot keep the game going for another 20 years. I would be shocked if they can hold the prices down for another 6 months or a year. Since I returned to Minneapolis in April, I have made half a dozen new purchases. I don't concern myself with the price (at these levels). If anything, I am glad to have the opportunity to add to my holdings at prices below production costs. Gold and silver coins are my Plan B. Everyone needs a Plan B.

Mr. Fix
Nov 4, 2015 - 1:44pm

It should bother you

I don't want to single out any particular religion, it tends to just piss people off. There's a bigger picture to look at, as they all teach humans to be subservient to authority figures. Why is that? Why do people follow orders to go to war when anyone with a conscience would know how evil such an action is. Our creator gave us a conscience, it goes a long ways towards determining what is right, and what is wrong. Of course, with proper conditioning, the safeguards can be subverted.

Is it any coincidence that the churches, the government, and the bankers all work together?

If there were no churches, no one would even think there was any such thing as a higher authority.It's a very important concept for the control system to convince humanity of. It is a lie.

Then, in collusion with the other two entities, governments everywhere enforce the idea of bowing to an authority figure, always by force. Most people learn to comply.

Taxes are theft, pure and simple, but somehow we've been convinced that they are a necessity, and most people have been dumbed down to the point where they feel it is their moral obligation to pay them. This is an obvious lie.

And finally, the bankers who create debt out of thin air, and call it a medium for exchange, economically enslave everyone while stealing the worlds wealth.

Instead of ever having to answer for their crimes against humanity, they simply kill everyone off who they owe.

Have you ever wondered why people who follow orders for a living are placed on a pedestal of honor?

Why are police officers, and military personnel held in such high esteem by the populations? Does anybody consider that every day they go to work they have already abdicated their moral responsibility to decide whether their actions are just?

Why do people follow laws that are obviously designed to steal from those who have created the wealth, then give it to the parasites who have done absolutely nothing to earn it? Can you imagine the extent of the mind control required to create such a system? And then have people thinking that such theft, and murder on a massive scale is just?

I still think people were born basically good, which contradicts a lot of religions. Without a lifetime of brainwashing, they would do the right thing by their own nature.

To get good men to commit truly heinous crimes, requires religion. That is the only purpose it serves.

The governments give it legitimacy, and enforces it, and the bankers profit wildly from it.

Most people make the mistake of thinking there is some kind of separation between church and state.

If your church is tax exempt, it is an arm of the state, and a tool for the bankers.

And as we know, there isn't a politician left who answers to his constituency. He also works for the state.

Ultimately, there's only two kinds of people in this world, those that believe in human enslavement, and those who don't.

Have you ever considered which side you're on?

That's when we will stop complying with our own enslavement.

Start looking at those who are "Simply following orders", as an enemy to freedom everywhere, and refuse to comply with them.

Of course, it's a pipe dream, and World War III has been well scripted, and people will mindlessly follow their orders, and play their part.

Keep stacking.

Nov 4, 2015 - 1:51pm

@Inardozi I don't really know, yet I suspect.

I'm appalled at the silence, yet there are many factors at work. Those who are still earning a living are often too busy to "dig" at the news to get beyond the commercial-media machine. I believe we have a compartmentalization of our population the result of our education system being infiltrated. In any of the media I hear very little of Syria except the message that only one side (the doctored agenda) wants to get out. In other words propaganda.

That the Federal Reserve was an infiltration of our country as part of a multi generational plan is beyond the concept of most of the pop. is a painful thing to bear. The same with other parts of government. Everyone was told to save your money, (borrow too much too.) we have fixed the banking system since the depression. Yet many people who did what they were told were criminally taken out. There has been no cleaning of the financial system by the legal system.

Our legal and political system has been infiltrated. My humanities professor told us that foreign students were amazed at how afraid of the police Americans are. The OWS movement might have been the last peep until our ongoing crash finally injures the world. The police response to the protests was illegally organized, I believe that many are afraid, ignorant and feel powerless.

I'm wondering if the PAC system of infinite money as a result of Citizens United has diverted money that used to go into churches for the peoples voice has been diverted, and made more powerless. I believe that the people have more power than they realize. They keep believing the propaganda that was allowed by Congress in 2013.

The concept that they have no election choice is beyond many. The concept that both parties have an agenda that is dictated by "deep state" rather than them is a painful road to realize. Even the concept of Napoleon Bonaparte and all his opponents in war were bankrolled by one family is beyond them. Major Religions have been blamed yet were the easiest of organizations to infiltrate and contaminate.

Original teachings have been modified throughout history. This guy I know comes up with sayings that I like. "Any atrocity that is done by one individual, can become a much greater atrocity if done by an organization of individuals." I believe there is an hidden organization that has, or is, infiltrated/infiltrating every other organization possible on a worldwide basis. They want it all.

The part of the plan we are seeing now is the control of European currencies and systems of government. The refugee flow into Europe is purposeful. "They" are desperate to keep the US dollar in place until "they" are ready. Yet warfare is chaos unleashed. It takes on a life of it's own. I'm just wondering where the tipping point of the populace of The Americas (There are 3 of them), of The European Union, of Africa, Russia, Asia, and Australia is.

Nov 4, 2015 - 1:55pm


Well said! Thank you for your service towards ending slavery and encouraging freedom.

Nov 4, 2015 - 3:50pm

August 3, 2012 A DEA officer

August 3, 2012

A DEA officer stopped at a ranch in Texas, and talked with an old rancher. He told the rancher, "I need to inspect your ranch for illegally grown drugs." The rancher said, "Okay , but don't go in that field over there.....", as he pointed o
ut the location.
The DEA officer verbally exploded saying, " Mister, I have the authority of the Federal Government with me!" Reaching into his rear pants pocket, the arrogant officer removed his badge and proudly displayed it to the rancher. "See this fucking badge?! This badge means I am allowed to go wherever I wish.... On any land !! No questions asked or answers given!! Have I made myself clear?.... do you understand?!!"
The rancher nodded politely, apologized, and went about his chores. A short time later, the old rancher heard loud screams, looked up, and saw the DEA officer running for his life, being chased by the rancher's big Santa Gertrudis bull...... With every step the bull was gaining ground on the officer, and it seemed likely that he'd sure enough get gored before he reached safety. The officer was clearly terrified. The rancher threw down his tools, ran to the fence and yelled at the top of his lungs.....

"Your badge, show him your fucking BADGE!!"

Wall-e lnardozi
Nov 4, 2015 - 4:09pm

>I'm always hearing about

>I'm always hearing about Christian this and that

Where? Currently, the leadership of most modern societies pride themselves on rejecting Christian understanding. There is very little happening in the modern world in accord with Christian desire.

However, Christianity provides the clear understanding of why that is the case.

People creating in the spiritual image of God, with the freedom to choose companionship with their maker or not (because of what value to God are puppets on a string?), choose to make themselves out to be gods. The created think they exceed the creator.

Since God defines reality, little gods will always be at odds with reality as they assert their deluded will, and so always eventually lose.

This is what is happening in the world, practically every headline confirming the truth of Christian insight.

Wall-e Mr. Fix
Nov 4, 2015 - 6:00pm

>they all teach humans to be

>they all teach humans to be subservient to authority figures...

Do they?

Christianity rejects kneeling to any human, viewing all as corrupted by sin. This is why the U.S. constitutional system rejected kingship and was based on decentralization of power and authority, with checks and balances, so that no single corrupt human could gain power over all.

Hundreds of years have been spent trying to get around those obstacles ... by those who think they are smarter and better than everyone else ... those who see themselves as little gods.

>Is it any coincidence that the churches, the government, and the bankers all work together?

Do they?

There is little happening in the world that is in accord with Christian desire. Churches are a different matter, as they can be corrupted as well and this is both understood, explained, and expected by Christian teaching. Christian teaching provides the tools to recognize corrupt churches, and we are indeed in a state of wide-spread apostasy.

>If there were no churches, no one would even think there was any such thing as a higher authority ...

Contradicted by most of human history. The inclination toward totalitarianism (Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, China, secularized Europe, now the US) is typically revealed by a desire to empty/close all the churches BECAUSE they contradict and limit human power.

>I still think people were born basically good, which contradicts a lot of religions.

That people are born good is an article of faith amongst the religion of HUMANISM. It is contradicted by most of history and the most basic observation that you generally have to teach children to share, to tell the truth, don't hit your brother or sister, etc.

>To get good men to commit truly heinous crimes, requires religion. That is the only purpose it serves.

Contradicted by all of human history. It's just the opposite. Absent religion, you cannot define good or bad, because they reflect views about the nature of reality. If you try, you always end up just ripping off a religion, usually very lamely ripping them off.

If you see yourself as highly rational, having evolved beyond religion into the enlightenment of science, then you see people as collections of molecules that developed through chance events. This is no different than a puddle of water. How bad do you feel about kicking a puddle of water, after the billions of years it took for the trillions of molecules to arrive in the arrangement called a puddle?

This modern scientism is what enables genocide and murder.

People who truly see others as of intrinsic worth because they are made in the spiritual image of God don't go in for mass murder. It is the people who think they are being rational and smart by helping evolution along that do that. Just a collection of molecules ...

>If your church is tax exempt, it is an arm of the state, and a tool for the bankers.

Can't discern the thinking behind this, but in general, the original post fails to make informed distinctions and so wanders off into irrelevant allegations that are the exact opposite of the truth.

Religion is a set of beliefs about the nature of reality. Even if you don't go to church, you hold such beliefs and have a "religion". It is usually just more incoherent than an organized religion that is persuasive at some level to others.

If you don't think you have a religion you are just fooling yourself. The real issue is which religion is true, and how to know that, and how do you test the religion for truth.

silver66 Wall-e
Nov 4, 2015 - 6:31pm


nice post

I thought I would add these links about church and state, regarding who serves who


Nov 4, 2015 - 8:17pm

Wall-e and Mr Fix

I disagrree in some ways with both, but appreciate both your viewpoints.

From my viewpoint, Mr Fix gives too much credit to TPTB, seemingly believing that "all these things" have been planned and carried out, on schedule, and according to plan (within tolerances of that plan) for centuries. I simply cannot believe that any group of idiots dumb enough to believe in the modern equivalent of the divine right of kings, can hold any plan together for one decade, without being garotted, or blown away by another equally "entitled" idiot, with his/her own version of "the plan".

Human beings are simply human beings, each and every one of them.

As for having to "teach" little Johnny not to poke his sister, try leaving him alone. One day he'll poke someone he really shouldn't, and "bingo", problem solved, no more poking.

Christianity, or Bhuddism, or any other religion does not make the man. All successful (ie popular/widespread) religions teach (practice? LOL!!) what we have come to describe as moral and socially acceptable behaviour, because it works. If humanity had not learned to get along, FOR THE MOST PART, over 100,000 years, we would have done ourselves in, and become extinct millenia ago.

Organized religions and political systems, as creations of man, and where successful, as seats of power, attract the worst kind of social deviants, and can turn normally good people to bad through the application of that power; and with the all too common application of whichever version of the "divine right" justification will work. And the biggest part of the problem, is that people just love to believe their own bullshit ("See! I'm not as bad as I subconciously believe myself to be! They shouldn't hate me, and I must be wrong to hate myself too!! ergo...(I'll let you all fill in the next parts))

Ther is nothing mystical, or cabalistic in the nature of humans. The amyigdula (sp?) will help us evade, or escape a hunting leopard, and its still there. Our lovely little font of fear and greed, and all their foul children, which keep us from poking the bigger guy, and allow us to gang up on him if he pokes too many of us, too often...........simplified.

Nov 5, 2015 - 9:09pm

Dowload link?

I don't see the link to download. I like it to listen on the go. Thanks.


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