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Sat, Dec 27, 2014 - 7:41pm

You know what the big lie is in today's markets? Take a guess...

The reality is that there are so many contenders for this title that the aggregate populace of Turdville probably came up with two dozen different answers to the question. How many of you chose the P/E ratio of the S&P supposedly reflecting the future real earnings of those companies? The "value" of the USDX? The fact that interest rates, which are supposed to reflect reasonable return after accounting for risk, are literally at multi-hundred year lows... does 2.7% really reflect a reasonable return for a 10 year bond after accounting for the possibility of default for a bankrupt and utterly feckless Italy? Or France? Or the rate on the 10yr US Treasury Bond?

All of these are contenders for the title, and you can probably come up with others as well. But you know what the biggest lie of all is? The one that underlies everything (and requires the manipulation to ridiculous levels of all the above)? The lie that there actually ARE markets, the lie that everything is fine and all has been fixed. The vast majority of the populace believe this lie, and structure their lives accordingly. They believe the unemployment numbers, they believe the deficits don't matter, they believe that the economy is getting better, they believe in the integrity of the institutions that run their lives, and most importantly they believe that they have nothing whatsoever to worry about. They believe in the mythos of an omniscient and omnipotent Fed. They believe in the successful Central Planning of the economy. There is no cause in their minds for them to question the comfortable, easy lives they live (for now) or the standard of living that they think they have secured. They don't question the actual value of their savings or their paycheck. There is no reason to question or be fearful of what may come. There is no need to prepare or to change their investing, their worldview, or their lives in any way.

There are a hearty few, however, who refuse to take the easy way out, who have the courage to accept the uncomfortable truth that these falsehoods are no basis for planning their futures. Who see the lies for what they are and refuse to be lulled into a comatose acceptance of the unsustainable status quo. They will not be cowed or dissuaded by pathetic Ad Hominem slurs like "goldbugs" or the disapproval of the mainstream investing press. They are the precious few who are getting ready to protect their families and are sacrificing today to be ready for an inevitable tomorrow.

But after a three year bear market in precious metals there is a disturbing malaise that seems to be settling in on many, even in this tough community of non-conformists. People counting the value of their stack solely in US Dollar terms, as if this benchmark is at all appropriate or valid. I would very much like to shatter this malaise, and get people to once again see that what they are doing is not only absolutely right in investing terms, but is profoundly important and crucial for their survival and the survival of the whole. I wish I could get people to understand that each and every one of them is a warrior in the most significant battle of our lifetimes. I wish I could get these people to see themselves for what they are- revolutionary insurgents fighting a tooth-and-nail pitched melee against an intractable foe who possesses every material advantage on the battlefield including utter control of the press, the political process, and the popular culture. I wish I had the words to express how profoundly crucial it is for these people to keep fighting, keep the faith, and keep attempting to pursuade any and everyone they can to protect themselves from what is to come. I am sorry. I simply do not have the words.

To put it bluntly, there is a shitstorm of unimaginable proportions coming. The entire economic basis of our society has slowly, incrementally, and in some instances deliberately, been undermined. The historic signposts of trouble (interest rates, unemployment rates, PM values, stock market valuations) have been spray-painted over, the canaries in the coal mine stuffed and placed on their perches to assure the tractable populace of exactly what they wish to believe- that everything is fine. The rot and disease goes to the very core of each and every institution to the degree that none is reliable. And the entire hollow edifice is cheered at every turn by a media who long ago sold their journalistic ideal of "truth telling" for easy promotion and fast cash.

A whole ton of people who understood these truths four years ago have now forgotten them, or at least have marginalized their impact in their minds. If you are here at TFMR reading this, you will know what I am talking about - if you were paying attention in 2008 and 2009 when the whole damn thing was inches from flying off the tracks and you damn well knew it, as the subsequent testimony of those involved at the highest levels confirmed. For example, the Secretary of the US Treasury Hank Paulson who warned congressional leaders of a "tanks in the streets" implosion if they did not pass the bailouts. The whole thing was inches from imploding and taking all of us with it. Think back to those days, remember what it was like to see your "diversified and safe" stock portfolio down 50% in six months, to see trillions of dollars created at the swish of a pen and called "stimulus" or QE or whatever the euphemism of the day was, and to think: This is utter crap, this is NOT how you fix these problems. Do you remember how it felt to truly contemplate, for the first time in your life as a potential reality, the honest t to God destruction of your savings, the end of your paycheck, the implosion of the whole shooting match? Well guess what... we have only papered over these problems. We have become very, very good at hiding the symptoms of this disease with accounting tricks and a media barrage of "green shoots" or whatever the meme of the day is to convince people that everything is hunky dory.

Everything is not hunky dory. The reality of insolvency and parabolic debt is a hard bitch, and it doesn't give a rat's ass what measures are taken to mask its proxy effects in the short term, it will have it's day. You either understand this reality or you do not. And with the entire "opinion-making" apparatus dedicated to the sole purpose of convincing people that reality will never reassert itself, only those who are constitutionally strong (and a bit irascible) will resist the message.

Forget the bear market in the metals. Remember this: You are a rebel insurgent in the greatest economic battle of all time. You know that value cannot be created by the swish of a pen. You know that lies are lies, regardless of whether they comfort you or not. You know that reality is reality. You have chosen to invest the results of your labors in real money of genuine value, not the paper promises and happy fairytales of the powers that be.

The enemy uses every mode of propaganda and persuasion to convince you that you are wrong and that all is well. . Don't think for a minute they are correct in this assertion. Stack your metals and prepare to care for yourselves and your loved ones, because the reaper is coming. And it is closer than when you first sensed its presence five years ago.

Keep stacking.

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SamSchlepps
Dec 28, 2014 - 12:23pm

Reimagining the Continent - same same as Pining says

The more things change - the more they stay the same

Just watched the US Military (Petraeus) and Bankers (Zoellick) get together on a TV channel and talk about the need for North America to get together - right!

THe USA needs moar and what they don't have of Canada and Mexico they get through this new direction - "re-imagining the continent". Here the task force report and link - CFR of course.

https://www.cfr.org/north-america/north-america/p33536

Overview

A new CFR-sponsored Independent Task Force report, North America: Time for a New Focus, asserts that elevating and prioritizing the U.S.-Canada-Mexico relationship offers the best opportunity for strengthening the United States and its place in the world.

"It is time to put North America at the forefront of U.S. policy," the report says. "The development and implementation of a strategy for U.S. economic, energy, security, environmental, and societal cooperation with its two neighbors can strengthen the United States at home and enhance its influence abroad."

Thanks for the article Mr. P

Joseph Warren
Dec 28, 2014 - 12:25pm

Re: a common theme

Well, I can only speak for myself on this one. I've been warning friends and family for years. At first I thought it was a matter of a lack of information & knowledge on their part. I finally came to the realization that it isn't their intellect, but their emotions that get in the way. They don't want to think about 'bad things' that might happen. They also don't want to let go of their view as to the nature of the world. This is understandable. I recall the sinking feeling I had, many years ago, when I first came to see " The world & my country isn't as I was taught since I was a child." Most people find this extremely difficult to do. (Perhaps traders have an advantage in that if they don't give up their false notions they find themselves broke.) All you can do is put the information out there. I've done that with friends & family. Those who want to get it . . will. Those who don't . . won't.

Nick Elway erewenguy
Dec 28, 2014 - 12:40pm

A balance between speaking up and expectations

Erewen

Quote:
Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death, there is no appeal and execution is carried out automatically and without pity.
- Robert Heinlein
Quote:
A fool cannot be protected from his folly. If you attempt to do so, you will not only arouse his animosity but also you will be attempting to deprive him of whatever benefit he is capable of deriving from experience. Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
- Robert A. Heinlein

Heinlein quotes are true, but when you speak up, some of those listening may be willing to learn from experience. Perhaps when experience hits those people, your words will come back to them. You don't know which ones may wake up. I suggest keep your expectations low, but speak up when you can.

Quote:
Speak up, speak often, and don't worry about those that at this point cannot understand, as they can never un-hear what we tell them.
-Ron Paul
Gold Dog
Dec 28, 2014 - 12:57pm

Thanks P!

For various reasons not just limited to my upcoming sojourn to Florida I handed out everyone's gold on Christmas, don't want the responsibility any more.

Everyone loved it......one family gets it. Don't give up!

Your friend,

Dog

AUandAGbull
Dec 28, 2014 - 12:59pm
AIJ
Dec 28, 2014 - 1:00pm

one more thing

I am convinced that others don't listen because they would have to spend currency to buy gold and silver and that would mean sacrificing their lifestyle in some way. How the light comes on is a mystery. Think how the light came on for you. For me the thought occurred that if the dollar devalued I would have no protection. That realization came from years of reading and searching for the truth. That's the key. Find someone who values the truth. Then you have a chance.

CC Horses
Dec 28, 2014 - 1:26pm

Only Down 45%

Pining another excellent article. Thank You Sir!

Thank You to all the posters that help me keep up the strength to fight the daily onslaught of all is well in fiat land. If I don't live long enough to see the 1980 inflation adjusted price of triple digit silver, hopefully my children will. That's the main reason I save in PM anyway.

I thought the fiat dollar world was ending a long time ago, so I converted to PM and took early withdrawals of all my CD's and lost over $30k in penalties (thanks Bankers). I could have a new car in the driveway with those losses. If I had invested in the stock market instead of PM my spreadsheet would look so much better, or so my family/friends say. I'm hopeful and optimistic for a turn around in 2015, or 2016, or 2017 etc. etc..

My PM purchases began in June 2011. Sadly if I had only remained a sheeple a few months longer, and not been awaken to PM until after Sept 2011 my costs would have been $10 lower in AG. Would anyone here have believed that the US losing it's AAA rating would cause silver to drop $10 and Gold hundreds? As of today my PM savings account is only down 45%. On the bright side, I was expecting it to be down at least 55% . These last 2 years have helped to lower my average cost. My faith is strong, and with support from this site, and all of Turdville I will continue to add to my stack.

I hope all of my friends in Turdville have a Happy, Healthy and Prosperous 2015.

cchorses

Kismet
Dec 28, 2014 - 1:35pm

Question the paycheck

When I read Mr. P's sentence about people not questioning the actual value of savings & their paycheck, I thought about a conversation I had with a friends wife. Her comment was "why should I save any money, I get paid next month". Pretty much was the end of the serious conversation ... Hey, how about those sales at the outlet mall?

DeaconBenjamin
Dec 28, 2014 - 1:39pm

Threaten Western Freedoms With Trans-Pacific/Atlantic Treaties

Introduction: Forecasting trends since 1980, Mr. Gerald Celente is publisher of the Trends Journal®, Founder/Director of the Trends Research Institute® and author of the highly acclaimed and best selling books, Trend Tracking and Trends 2000 (Warner Books). Using his unique perspectives on current events forming future trends, Gerald Celente developed the Globalnomic® methodology, which is used to identify, track, forecast and manage trends. His on-time trend forecasts, vibrant style, articulate delivery and vivid public presence makes him a favorite of major media. The Trends Research Institute has earned its reputation as "today's most trusted name in trends" for accurate and timely predictions. On the geopolitical and economic fronts, Celente and The Trends Research Institute are credited with predicting the collapse of the Soviet Union, the last two economic recessions, the dot-com meltdown, the 1997 Asian currency crisis, the 1987 world stock market crash, increased terrorism against America, "Crusades 2000," the quagmire in Iraq ... before war began and much more. The Trends Journal is on YouTube here.

Daily Bell: Thanks for making time to talk with us today during this busy holiday season. Let's talk about your Top Trends for 2015. You write of "bankism" and say it is fast becoming the dominant global economic system. What do you mean by that?

Gerald Celente: It's very clear what it is, in that it's not capitalism anymore. Capitalism means there's no such thing as too big to fail, and the too big to fails are the banks. The banks are the ones running the show, not only in the United States but in a country near you. For example, we saw the Dow nosedive in the beginning of December and then it hit new highs by the end of the year. Why? Because the central bank, the Federal Reserve, said they were going to keep interest rates low. They used the phrase "to be patient," to have patience. They have not raised interest rates now since 2006. So the banks are controlling the world economy, not only in the United States; you look over in the European Central Bank and it's the same thing over there. They have negative interest rates. What did they do? In the States they had a round of quantitative easing and now you'll see in 2015 the European Central Bank will not only want to be buying government bonds; more than likely they'll be buying corporate bonds.

So the banks are in control. And by the way, in the United States in most of the presidential elections in the 19th century wanted to prohibit a central bank from controlling the nation's money supply and printing, and then of course, we got our private central bank, the Federal Reserve, in the early 20th century. So bankism has replaced capitalism. There is no such thing as a company rising and falling on its own when you're a bank. They're in control. Again, four words killed it: too big to fail. This article is going to be written by Nomi Prins who, of course, wrote the wonderful, very insightful, scholarly book All the Presidents Men. So this is just an overview of much more than will be detailed in the Trends Journal.

https://thedailybell.com/exclusive-interviews/35950/Anthony-Wile-Gerald-...

Dyna mo hum
Dec 28, 2014 - 1:56pm

Rest his Soul

George Orwell - A Final Warning
waxybilldupp
Dec 28, 2014 - 2:04pm

Thanks Nick Elway ...

I enjoyed the Heinlein quotes. I'm pretty sure I've read everything he has written. One of my faves, besides "Stranger in a Strange Land", was "Time Enough for Love". The preface/intro for "Time ..." is "Methuselah's Children". Robert was a true "live and let live" guy. He knew how to shine a light on the foibles of government without getting on a soapbox.

"Time ..." has pages of quotes like that.

wax off

DeaconBenjamin
Dec 28, 2014 - 2:18pm

Russians Loans Are Now Contracts Of 'Financial Slavery'

Moscow (AFP) - When Olga Savelyeva took out a $226,000 mortgage to buy a small apartment on the outskirts of Moscow in 2008, she could never have imagined that the ruble would lose more than half its value in a few short years.

But Savelyeva's $2,090 monthly instalments have skyrocketed in ruble terms due to the Russian currency's dive against the dollar. The resulting jump in monthly payments from 49,000 to 115,000 rubles now devours most of her family's income.

The 30-year-old mother of a young daughter and her husband have tried to honour their repayment commitments but despite their best efforts, December's instalment was $400 short.

Savelyeva is one of tens of thousands of Russians who took on lower-interest foreign currency-denominated mortgages in the years before the financial crisis and now struggle with repayments as the ruble's value shrinks.

Russia's central bank says that as of November 1, foreign exchange mortgage debt totalled 120.5 billion rubles ($2.28 billion).

Hundreds of Russia's hard-currency mortgage holders have created a social media group, attracting members from Yekaterinburg in the Urals to the exclave of Kaliningrad on the Baltic Sea.

In a letter to central bank chief Elvira Nabiullina, the group threatened a "powerful social explosion" if assistance isn't provided.

https://www.businessinsider.com/afp-dollar-mortgage-holders-urge-russia-...

vonburpenstein
Dec 28, 2014 - 3:07pm

I'm having a hard time....

....believing folks are gonna wake up period, not even sure what makes some wake up in the first place. Not only do they think you're a doomer, but some (much) is so complicated and over the top unbelievable, that I have a hard time even trying to explain shit...so I don't usually. How do you know blue is blue when you don't even know what color is?

cyclemadman
Dec 28, 2014 - 3:27pm

Those Who Understand

We have a number of people in our circle of friends and relatives that understand. Some may not be at the same stage as we are at but we know who they are.

Some of it comes down to the grieving process. When you figure out that all that crap they fed you in school is not reality. You have to go through a grieving process as you adjust to the new paradigm.

Others are completely hopeless. They are immersed in their i-crap and can't wrap their heads around keeping enough food and water on hand to wait out a blizzard let alone the shitstorm that is coming.

cashonly
Dec 28, 2014 - 3:28pm

a fine article

excellent, thank you P4.

Bollocks
Dec 28, 2014 - 4:24pm

Here is a documentary

that will show you why what is going on in the world is coming to an end.

Nothing to do with PM's or the financial system, just a documentary that makes it clear that the earth cannot continue in this way much longer.

No narration, just a musical score. Watch and perhaps you'll see, if you have any doubts.

Video unavailable

This is in low-resolution. The high definition (blu-ray) is quite staggering and well worth buying.

SaratogaPrepper
Dec 28, 2014 - 4:29pm

Heinlein

Devoured his books as an early teen.

Explains my "issues".

Wizdum
Dec 28, 2014 - 4:33pm
erewenguy
Dec 28, 2014 - 4:36pm

Putin’s Orthodox Jihad

Putin’s Orthodox Jihad

December 27, 2014

Yesterday Russia announced a revised military doctrine, signed by President Vladimir Putin, that names NATO as the Kremlin’s main adversary and clarifies that Russia’s military reserves the right to respond to conventional threats with both nuclear and conventional weapons. This is no big change, since it only amplifies existing doctrine, but its explicit emphasis on NATO as the primary threat to Russia’s security has raised Western eyebrows, as intended. Anyone who thought the West, led by the United States, could lay waste to Russia’s economy through sanctions brought about by Russia’s aggression in Ukraine, without significant pushback from Moscow, is too naive to deal in such important affairs. ...

My explanation back in March, on the heels of Russia’s theft of Crimea, that we are in Cold War 2.0, whether we like it or not, was dismissed as alarmist by those not well acquainted with Putin and his system, but has been borne out by events over the last nine months. One reason oft-cited by skeptics regarding the state of relations between Russia and the West is the supposed absence of an ideological component to the rivalry, which is a necessary precondition for any reborn Cold War. President Barack Obama has been one of the leading proponents of this hopeful view, stating: “This is not another Cold War that we’re entering into. After all, unlike the Soviet Union, Russia leads no bloc of nations. No global ideology. The United States and NATO do not seek any conflict with Russia.”

As I explained back in April, this view is wrong, and has only gotten wronger over the last several months. In fact, Putin should be seen as the leader of what I termed the Anti-WEIRD Coalition, the vanguard of the diverse movement that is opposed to Western post-modernism in its political and social forms — and particularly to its spread by governments, corporations, NGOs, or the bayonets of the U.S. military. While this should not be seen as any formal alliance, nor is it likely to become one, there exists an agglomeration of countries that are opposed to what the West, and especially America, represent on the world stage, and this was the year that Putin unambiguously took its helm....

This week the ideological ante was upped by the Kremlin with the comments of Fr. Vsevolod Chaplin, a media gadfly cleric, who gave a very long newspaper interview in which he castigated, among other things, radical Islam, usury, and the West generally, but it was his comments on the current conflict with America that got all the attention. Chaplin minced no words, proclaiming that Russia’s God-given goal today is halting the global “American project.” As he explained:

It is no coincidence that we have often, at the price of our own lives … stopped all global projects that disagreed with our conscience, with our vision of history and, I would say, with God’s own truth .. Such was Napoleon’s project, such was Hitler’s project. We will stop the American project too.”

....

As with Vsevolod Chaplin, it’s tempting to dismiss all this as the ravings of a lone nut, but these are no longer fringe views in Putin’s Russia. Jihad is not a word to be used lightly, given its sinister connotations to the West after 9/11, but this bears more than a little resemblance to Holy War in a Russian and Orthodox variant. Whether Putin really believes all this may be immaterial, since his regime has created and nurtured a virulent ideology, an explosive amalgam of xenophobia, Chekism and militant Orthodoxy which justifies the Kremlin’s actions and explains why the West must be opposed at all costs. Given the economic crisis that Russia now finds itself in, thanks to Western sanctions, during the long and cold winter now starting, we ought to expect more, not fewer, Russians turning to this worldview which resonates with their nation’s history and explains the root of their suffering.

...

The bad news, however, is that Putin’s uncompromising worldview has more than a few admirers in the West, far beyond the Orthodox realm. Many who reject Moscow’s quasi-religious mysticism nevertheless admire its willingness to take on America directly and offer a counterpoint to armed post-modernism in world affairs. As I’ve previously explained, many European far-right parties have quite a crush on the man in the Kremlin, perhaps due to the money he gives them, but the sincerity of some of the admiration is not in question. In France, Marine Le Pen is leading her National Front to ever-greater heights of political power, and her affection for Putin is unconcealed. “In Russia today there is a mix of exalting nationalism, exalting the church and Christian values,” explained a French politico: “They are now replacing the red star with the cross, and they are representing themselves as the ultimate barrier against the Islamization of the continent.” Since it is far from impossible that Le Pen will be president of France someday, the implications of all this for NATO and the West merit serious consideration.

...

https://20committee.com/2014/12/27/putins-orthodox-jihad/

DeaconBenjamin
Dec 28, 2014 - 4:48pm
silver66
Dec 28, 2014 - 5:01pm

Putin appears

to be doing what Jim Grant talks about in his book to bring a speedy end to Russia's recession, BWDIK as I am not an economist. Putin may have a bit of Rothbard and Mises in him

Silver66

Mr. Fix
Dec 28, 2014 - 5:12pm

Another excellent essay by Dr. Jerome:

I know that I am late to the party, I'm just not in the habit of checking Main Street all that often these days…

Dr. Jerome and I have a similar time frame, as to when “the moment of truth” started to sink in. For me, it was the infamous quote by “Baby Bush” that said something like “we have to suspend free-market principles in order to save the free-market” that's when I knew we were being screwed.

So for me, it's been a nearly seven-year learning process, and uncovering the lies we have been told for all of our lives. That's right, Western civilization has been hoodwinked for centuries, but due to the inevitable collapse of our current system, the lies are just becoming more outrageous (and transparent) on a daily basis.

As a rule of thumb, if I see it on TV or in the mainstream press, or hear it on the radio, I just assume that it is an out right lie, and upon only minor investigation, it becomes provably so very quickly.

As far as “spreading the word” is concerned, I do not do much of that in my real life, and it is not because I am unsure of myself, it is not because I don't have a big mouth, and it is not because I am afraid of ridicule.

It is simply because it is dangerous to me and my family.

We now live in a society where “spreading the truth” is literally a crime, although that is not my biggest objection.

When the system finally implodes, I do not want a bunch of people who live near me thinking that I am the only one they know who got it right, and prepared accordingly.

I will have to defend myself and my family against those who are unprepared, and that is a reality.

Fortunately, I do know a few people who are very much awake, and are preparing accordingly. We will stick together. As far as the rest are concerned, God help them. I won't.

Keep stacking, and focus on the things you know you will need to survive.

infometron
Dec 28, 2014 - 5:34pm

@ Turd... A2A recommendation

Hi Craig, are you familiar with Pater Tenebrarum's work?

Pater has a great blog, where he analyzes and comments on the global economy from an Austrian perspective. He always has interesting and important things to say about the role of gold in the geofinancial milieu. Case in point, check out this recent post:

https://www.acting-man.com/?p=34615

He is very knowledgeable and insightful. I think he would make a great A2A guest.

620 × 400 - brainyquote.com

ScottJ
Dec 28, 2014 - 7:12pm

Jon Lester to Cubs

Hell must be freezing over this year.


Dec 28, 2014 - 7:35pm

Well done, Pining

A great summary. Despite the admittedly low and rare returns on investment, I still think it worthwhile to spread the word. Once the trend begins to become mainstream (>10% awareness), it will tip over fast.

abguy4
Dec 28, 2014 - 8:02pm

Heinlein, A. C. Clarke, Issac Asimov

Heinlein, A. C. Clarke, Issac Asimov, maybe my best memories of childhood...............................

SaratogaPrepper
Dec 28, 2014 - 8:34pm

Has anyone watched

Red Dawn 2012

Terrible remake, but......................

AlienEyes
Dec 28, 2014 - 9:03pm

Heinlein, A. C. Clarke, Issac Asimov

Read them all....but I liked Larry Niven's Ringworld series much more.

infometron
Dec 28, 2014 - 10:04pm

Sci fi buffs

Why am I not surprised so many of us here in Turdville are sci fi buffs. Great training for the imagination, perhaps a prerequisite to thinking outside the box?

Still have three boxes of sci fi novels in the basement from, gulp, over 40 years ago. Ringworld stands out as a fav of mine for sure, Glory Road by Heinlein, Asimov's foundation trilogy, still have my autographed copy of Herbert's Dune, etc.

I'm also a big Ursula Le Guin affectionado. Here was a great rendering of her novel "The Lathe of Heaven," a PBS movie production from 1980. A classic! Careful what you wish for! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8VRbaVNvSA

And of course, Vonnegut! Here is a great adaptation of his "Slaughterhouse Five" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q37ciEL_Q3g

Here's what Le Guin has to say about the freedom to express:

https://billmoyers.com/2014/12/27/ursula-le-guin-will-need-writers-can-r...

Dr. P. Metals
Dec 28, 2014 - 10:16pm

I notice

that the reactions listed by everyone here are exactly identical to when you share the truth of Christ with a non-believer. Perhaps something to ponder :)

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