Andrew Maguire on KWN

Sat, Dec 13, 2014 - 11:59am

This weekend, please take time to visit the KWN site and listen to this latest interview of Andrew Maguire.

I think that it is extraordinarily important that you understand something before you listen to this:

Yes, I know Andrew Maguire and, yes, I consider him a friend. However, like many of your own relationships, that doesn't mean I talk to him every day. In fact, because we are both so busy, we haven't actually spoken in at least six months. Just an occasional email or text wishing well and vowing to "catch up" soon.

I tell you this up front because you need this perspective as you listen to the interview. Andy and I are not coordinating a message or in any way working in collaboration. Instead, what you have are two guys who, independently, have reached many of the same conclusions based upon years of experience.

Listen to this interview. You'll hear covered many of the exact same topics we discuss at TFMR on a daily basis. I must admit that, being just a dope with a MacBook in the middle of nowhere, I can't tell you how gratifying it is to hear an expert like Andy confirm so many of the theses we've been discussing here these past few months. To that end, IF ANDY AND I ARE CORRECT IN OUR INDEPENDENT ANALYSES, we all stand on the precipice of some historic changes in 2015.

Some of the text of the interview can be found here:

And here:

And the audio can be accessed here:

Please listen closely and give this interview thorough consideration. Then get ready for a wild end to 2014 and an unpredictable 2015.


About the Author

turd [at] tfmetalsreport [dot] com ()


Dec 13, 2014 - 12:06pm

As an aside...

You should read this, too. Excellent analysis from Koos re the possibility that Austria will soon attempt to repatriate its 224 mts of gold from London. (Good luck with that!!)

Dec 13, 2014 - 12:08pm


How can I stay caught up on all the reading and listening when there is so much work to do?

But how can I afford to not stay on the cutting edge of knowing what is going on?

Mr. Fix
Dec 13, 2014 - 12:26pm


Already read it yesterday.

Back to work.

Dec 13, 2014 - 12:46pm

An amazing interview with

An amazing interview with significant repercussions for the next 12 months. I'm extremely encouraged by the fact that what Turd is seeing is mirrored independently by Andy. The last few years have been very difficult. Perhaps - just perhaps - we are about to break from that paradigm. (Although what all this says for the broader economy and world is extremely troubling.)

Dec 13, 2014 - 1:25pm

Jim Comiskey Rant

Holy smokes! I just listened to JC's recent YT screed. Words fail me other than to say I had to hit "pause" a few minutes in so I could find a roll of duct tape to securely bind myself to the kitchen chair before resuming transmission. Have a great weekend all.

Dec 13, 2014 - 1:31pm

Yes TF the confirmation from Andy is welcome

I think Andy's whole involvement with the market investigations has been unfortunate and frustrating for most of us just wanting the the information of Andy's contribution to the case explained. That I think is the problem legally he is at risk and would be open to considerable legal fees defending his position even if he is right.

His analysis is always interesting to me, especially with the London market. Is Andy our surprise guest?

Dec 13, 2014 - 1:52pm

Have to admit

That I find listening to Andy quite comforting. That being said, he has been calling for the imminent end to the paper price suppression scheme since April of 2013. Not disparaging Andy in any way, shape or form, just remaining cautiously optimistic. My guess is that the eventual release of his irrefutable proof of manipulation will be a significant catalyst in the gold and silver markets next year

Dr. P. Metals
Dec 13, 2014 - 1:59pm

I'm gonna guess SIM

Is just gonna lurk on this thread

Dec 13, 2014 - 2:29pm

Is there something wrong with the interview?

It just seems to cut out in the middle.

Dec 13, 2014 - 2:47pm

Listen to all and follow none....

I like that quote from Chris Duane.

I don't trust him but that doesn't stop me from wanting to hear what he has to say. At the very least he's still a good metals trader and has insights we don't.

I would just keep in the back of your mind he has been calling for a default since April 2013 and not only have prices continued to decline but we have had no such issues made public that have broken the market. Even the smartest people may underestimate the time this will go on...

I still think when the market gets slaughtered (next year I think) paper gold and silver will crash with everything else. The last few years have woken me up to the reality that none of this may be as imminent as we think so it's best not to get totally bogged down on it happening Monday. Even in this interview Maguire is alluding to 2015 being the year but even in that timeframe we might have another 12 months of this grind to deal with. It seems the best route to me is to try and live two lives at once... as odd as that sounds... we have 1 life that needs to be lived as normally as possible and another that needs to live as prepared as possible.

The key now, for me anyway, appears to be balancing between the two and down on this, prepared, side of things... the bottom of the rabbit hole I guess you could call it... you sometimes need to listen to even those you don't trust. Listen to all and follow none...

Dec 13, 2014 - 6:02pm

Cartel is prisoner to a narrow price range

Andrew M. says that the low 1200s price in gold causes massive sovereign buying but I bet that the Cartel cannot raise prices to encourage more selling from physical holders because of the massive derivatives that they have from shorting gold that are at higher prices. They are screwed and it will continue until it doesn't. Probably shortly . . .

Dec 13, 2014 - 6:41pm

Similar to what we discussed in Friday's podcast

The Forces of Darkness are wedging themselves into a tighter and tighter corner.

Dec 13, 2014 - 7:39pm

Where are the screen shots?

Where are the screen shots? Where is the Earth shaking article? Unfortunately, Andrew's past antics have raised the standard of proof for what he says very high as far as I am concerned.

4 oz
Dec 13, 2014 - 7:40pm


Do you remember the famous ABC radio commentator Paul Harvey?

This commentary was broadcast on April 3, 1965, It's short. . . less than 3 minutes.

lund175 4 oz
Dec 13, 2014 - 8:09pm

Sounds like he recorded this last week

I cannot believe they cut out the "Good Day" from the Paul Harvey talk.

Safety Dan
Dec 14, 2014 - 7:26am

Regarding the firing /

Regarding the firing / removal of so many military officers, this exit interview provides a little insight into the situation.


check out this exit interview:

Flynn’s Interview

In this exclusive exit interview with Breaking Defense contributor James Kitfield, the outgoing chief of the Defense Intelligence Agency, Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, talks about metastasizing Islamic terrorism, his struggles to reform intelligence-gathering, and the risk of lurching from crisis to crisis in an Internet-accelerated world. – the editors.

“Disruptive.” That’s how Michael Flynn’s enemies reportedly described him during his time as director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, a tenure that ends tomorrow – a year early – when the three-star general retires after 33 years in the US Army. Was Flynn forced out? The Pentagon said his departure had been “planned for some time” when it made the announcement in April. But Flynn had challenged the Obama administration narrative that al-Qaeda’s brand of nihilistic extremism had died with Osama bin Laden in 2011. He had bruised egos at the DIA trying to transform the 17,000-person bureaucracy into a more agile and forward-deployed intel operation, one shaped by the lessons he had learned as intelligence chief for Joint Special Operations Command in Iraq and Afghanistan, working for the ill-fated iconoclast Gen. Stanley McChrystal. As early as 2010, Flynn made waves with a report, Fixing Intel, that said US intelligence could not answer “fundamental questions” in Afghanistan.

James Kitfield: DIA is tracking global crises from Ukraine to the Mideast to North Koreaand the Western Pacific. Have you ever seen so many crises occurring simultaneously?

Flynn: No. I come into this office every morning, and other than a short jog to clear my head, I spend two to three hours reading intelligence reports. I will frankly tell you that what I see each day is the most uncertain, chaotic and confused international environment that I’ve witnessed in my entire career. There were probably more dangerous times such as when the Nazis and [Japanese] Imperialists were trying to dominate the world, but we’re in another very dangerous era. We rightfully talk about the last decade being the longest war in American history, for instance, but when we pull combat troops out of Afghanistan at the end of this year, it’s not going to feel like that war is over. To me, it feels like we’ll be facing a familiar threat and heightened uncertainty for a long time yet.

JK: Why?

Flynn: I think we’re in a period of prolonged societal conflict that is pretty unprecedented. In the Middle East, we’re starting to see issues arise over boundaries that were drawn back in the post-colonial era following World War I. In some regions, we’re seeing the failure of the nation-state, and to some degree the disintegration of the [Westphalian] system of nation-states: Look at Libya, or Mali, or Nigeria. Because of a youth bulge, Nigeria will be the third most populated country on the planet in ten years, and [the Al Qaeda-linked terrorist group] Boko Haram is active in half of that country. Then look at what’s happening in Iraq andSyria.

What I see is a strategic landscape and boundaries on the global map changing right before our eyes. That change is being accelerated by the explosion of social media. And we in the intelligence community are trying to understand it all.

JK: Do you worry that instability will cause crises to escalate dangerously?

Flynn: Yes, because events happen so fast. Just consider the crisis in Ukraine. Information travels so fast now that suddenly everyone is asking policymakers, ‘What are you going to do about it?’ Even the President, I believe, sometimes feels compelled to just do something without first saying ‘Wait! How did this happen? Who made this decision?’ My point is before we wade into the middle of a big crisis, we need to take a deep breath, and figure out whether it was prompted by a decision by [Russian President Vladimir] Putin, or [Chinese President Xi] Jinping? Or is it provoked by some Russian general on the groundordering his troops into Ukraine to gain a promotion, or some Chinese admiral looking to act tough by sinking a Japanese vessel? Because if a crisis escalates and we go to the gates in preparation for war, we had better do it for the right reasons.

JK: When you were asked recently at the Aspen Security Forum whether the United Statesis safer from the terrorist threat today than before 9/11, you answered no.

Flynn: I know that’s a scary thought, but in 2004, there were 21 total Islamic terrorist groups spread out in 18 countries. Today, there are 41 Islamic terrorist groups spread out in 24 countries. A lot of these groups have the intention to attack Western interests, to include Western embassies and in some cases Western countries. Some have both the intention and some capability to attack the United States homeland.

For instance, we’re doing all we can to understand the outflow of foreign fighters from Syria and Iraq, many of them with Western passports, because another threat I’ve warned about is Islamic terrorists in Syria acquiring chemical or biological weapons. We know they are trying to get their hands on chemical weapons and use what they already have to create a chemical weapons capability.

Remember anthrax was used in 2001 [killing five people] and pretty much paralyzed Capitol Hill. If that anthrax had been dispersed more efficiently, it could have killed a quarter million people.

JK: You also said recently that terrorist leaders like Osama bin Laden represent the leadership of al-Qaeda, but that “core al-Qaeda” is its ideology of perpetual jihad.

Flynn: Yes, and unfortunately the core ideology and belief system is spreading, not shrinking. Look at the unbelievably violent videos [of beheadings, executions and the destruction of religious places] coming out of Iraq just in recent days. I’ve physically interrogated some of these guys, and I’ve had the opportunity to hear them talking about their organizations and beliefs. These are people who have a very deeply-rooted belief system that is just difficult for Americans to comprehend. Just think about the mindset of a suicide bomber.

JK: When the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria routed the Iraqi Army recently, the terrorists also appeared to have become much better organized, disciplined and led.

Flynn: These various groups have learned from fighting the U.S. military for a decade, and they have created adaptive organizations as a means to survive. They write about and share ‘Lessons Learned’ all the time. That was something Bin Laden taught them before he died. These proliferating Islamic terrorist groups have also for years been developing connective tissue to each other and back to al-Qaeda senior leadership in Pakistan’s tribal regions. Some of those connections are pretty strong. We’re not talking bits and pieces or nascent connections.

JK: After Bin Laden was killed and democratic revolutions swept through the Middle East, there was a belief in the White House and elsewhere that his radical Islamist movement would also die. Why did you push back against that?

Flynn: There’s a political component to that issue, but when Bin Laden was killed there was a general sense that maybe this threat would go away. We all had those hopes, including me. But I also remembered my many years in Afghanistan and Iraq [fighting insurgents].. We kept decapitating the leadership of these groups, and more leaders would just appear from the ranks to take their place. That’s when I realized that decapitation alone was a failed strategy.

JK: Did you ever feel like a lone voice in the administration warning that the terrorist threat was growing, not receding?

Flynn: I think we collectively felt that way. We said many times, “Hey, we need to get this intelligence in front of the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of State, the National Security adviser! The White House needs to see this intelligence picture we have!”

We saw all this connective tissue developing between these [proliferating] terrorist groups. So when asked if the terrorists were on the run, we couldn’t respond with any answer but ‘no.’ When asked if the terrorists were defeated, we had to say ‘no.’ Anyone who answers ‘yes’ to either of those questions either doesn’t know what they are talking about, they are misinformed, or they are flat out lying.

JK: What do you see as your legacy as DIA’s leader?

Flynn: We took ten years of ‘Lessons Learned’ from combat about intelligence integration, collaboration and focus on the field, and built five Intelligence Integration Centers to support our combatant commanders and warfighters. Despite all the madness going on in the world that we have discussed, those fusion centers have been stood up and are operating magnificently. I think we have greatly improved the capability of the Defense Clandestine Service, shutting down 20 nonproductive facilities and moving a whole bunch of people out into the field in conflict zones. I’m also proud of the fact that our relationship and partnership with both the CIA and FBI are far stronger today than in the past, which is largely a result of the personal relationships we have established over the past decade of conflict.

JK: What did you make of reports that you are being forced out of your job for being disruptive?

Flynn: If anyone was concerned about my leadership, I would have been out long ago. But to be frank, this is my third assignment at DIA, and I have spent five of the last ten years on combat deployments. If you go back over my career, everyone I’ve worked with during all my assignments will tell you, ‘Oh yeah, Flynn will come in and shake things up.’ That was actually the direct guidance I was given by [former Defense Secretary Leon] Panetta when I was given this job.

So accomplishing the goals I set required shaking things up at DIA. Maybe it did get to the point where I was a little too far out in front of my headlights. I had a meeting with my boss and the message was ‘it’s time for you to go,’ and my reaction was to salute and say, ‘Okay, no problem.’

I was fine with that because at the end of the day I’m a soldier, and I serve at the pleasure of my superiors. But I will also tell you that with all these crises we’ve been discussing the nation is confronting a dangerous era, facing multiple threats and challenges from Russia,China, North Korea, Iran, Islamic terrorist groups, you name it. If I wasn’t in there shaking things up, I probably wouldn’t have been doing my job.

What Will Happen First, Impeachment Or A Military Coup?

If Congress allows President Obama to reside at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue for two more years, the following will be an accurate depiction of the opportunities that we are leaving our children. Obama has let our enemies, in


Safety Dan
Dec 14, 2014 - 7:32am

There Is A Clear Trend Of The

There Is A Clear Trend Of The Northern EU Countries Actively Working To Repatriate Foreign-Held Gold

1. Germany
2. Holland
3. Belgium
4. Austria

In addition, at least one political party in France is raising this issue and the Swiss voted not to reptriate foreign-held gold based on a flawed initiative that was unlikely to pass based on its restrictive language. The Swiss are not precluded from voting on this issue again (and again) at a later date.

If I was looking to split the EU, to separate the “productive” northern […]

Safety Dan
Dec 14, 2014 - 7:35am

The Greek Drama: The Greek

The Greek Drama: The Greek Political Crisis Is Dominating The Financial Markets, Italy Follows Greece With President Vote Seen Guiding Renzi Fate. Goldman Warns Greeks Of “Cyprus-Style Prolonged Bank Holiday”

Athens will be in the spotlight next week

The Greek political crisis is dominating the financial markets. The government of conservative-socialist coalition led by Antonis Samaras decided to anticipate February 2015 to the current month the election in Parliament of the new President who shall take office in March 2015.

The announcement of this political move of anticipation was made after the Eurogroup meeting on Monday last (December 8), in which the […]

Safety Dan
Dec 14, 2014 - 7:36am

H. R. 5344: Responsible Body

H. R. 5344: Responsible Body Armor Possession Act – Citizens would no longer be allowed to own Body Armor, punishable by up to 10 Years in Prison


Owning Body Armor Punishable by up to 10 Years in Prison if H.R.5344 – Responsible Body Armor Possession Act passes

H. R. 5344

“To prohibit the purchase, ownership, or possession of enhanced body armor by civilians, with exceptions.”

(a) In General.–Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:
“Sec. 932. Ban on purchase, ownership, or possession of enhanced body armor by civilians

(c) […]

Safety Dan
Dec 14, 2014 - 7:38am



SGT REPORT ECONOMIC NEWS UPDATE: Documenting the Collapse for the week ending Friday, Dec 12, 2104.

– The System IS Collapsing, Here’s the Latest Dramatic Proof:
– U.S Treasury seeks ‘Survival Kits’ for Federal Bank Examiners
– CME Implements $400 wide gold circuit breakers for vast price swings
– U.S. Taxpayers Now On The Hook For $303 TRILLION in Wall Street Derivatives

For REAL News & Information:

Safety Dan
Dec 14, 2014 - 7:41am

US budget resolution funds

US budget resolution funds war and repression:"a staggering $830 billion,more than 80 cents out of every dollar in the funding bill,is devoted to killing,spying on,imprisoning or otherwise oppressing the people of the world,including the American people

By: suman

The omnibus spending resolution adopted by the US House of Representatives just before midnight Thursday, and which is now before the Senate, is a detailed public statement of the priorities of the American ruling elite. The bulk of the more than $1.1 trillion in funding goes to the military and other repressive functions of the federal government, such as spying, prisons and the police.

Dec 14, 2014 - 8:34am

j snip 4 immediecy web bot report

This fuels the fire of what Turd has been laying out as well as Mr. Mcguire

REALIST NEWS - Web Bot IDR Report Summary December 2014
Dec 14, 2014 - 8:48am

just toooo Good~! (Satire --sorta)

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—The banking giant Citigroup announced on Friday that it would move its headquarters from New York to the U.S. Capitol Building, in Washington, D.C., in early 2015.

Tracy Klugian, a spokesperson for Citi, said that the company had leased thirty thousand square feet of prime real estate on the floor of the House of Representatives and would be interviewing “world-class architects” to redesign the space to suit its needs.

According to sources, Citi successfully outbid other firms, including JPMorgan Chase and Goldman Sachs, for the right to move its headquarters to the House floor.

The Citi spokesperson acknowledged that the extensive makeover of the House is expected to cost “in the millions,” but added, “It’s always expensive to open a new branch.”

Explaining the rationale behind the move, Klugian told reporters, “Instead of constantly flying out from New York to give members of Congress their marching orders, Citigroup executives can be right on the floor with them, handing them legislation and telling them how to vote. This is going to result in tremendous cost savings going forward.”

Klugian said that Citi’s chairman, Michael E. O’Neill, will not occupy a corner office on the House floor, preferring instead an “open plan” that will allow him to mingle freely with members of Congress.

“He doesn’t want to come off like he’s their boss,” the spokesperson said. “Basically, he wants to send the message, ‘We’re all on the same team. Let’s roll up our sleeves and get stuff done.’ ”

Dec 14, 2014 - 8:57am

@ j snip 4 immediecy web bot report

Looks like he borrowed the TFMR studio to record this :-)

For my own edification (from Wikipedia)

Web Bot is an Internet Bot computer program whose developers claim is able to predict future events by tracking keywords entered on the internet. It was developed in 1997, originally to predict stock market trends.[1] The creator of the Web Bot Project, Clif High, along with his associate George Ure, keep the technology and algorithms largely secret and sell the predictions via the website.


Internet bots monitor news articles, blogs, forums, and other forms of Internet chatter. Words in the lexicon are assigned numeric values for emotional quantifiers such as duration, impact, immediacy, intensity, and others. The lexicon is dynamic, and changes according to shifts in emotional tension, and how humans communicate those changes using the Internet. As of 2008, there were about 300,000 keywords in the lexicon, along with emotional context,[2] which are fed into a computer-generated modelspace. However, many believe the predictions are vague and, at best, pseudoscientific.[3]


Claimed hits[edit]


  • The Web Bot gained most of its notoriety for contributing to the 2012 phenomenon by predicting a cataclysm that would devastate the planet on 21 December 2012, possibly a reversing of Earth's magnetic poles or a small series of nuclear attacks leading up to a major attack during the year. The prediction did not call for a complete end of the world.[7][8][9]
  • Web Bot predicted that a massive earthquake would occur in December 2008 in Vancouver, Canada and the Pacific Northwest, but no such event happened.[10]
  • A prediction that the US dollar would completely collapse in 2011, and that Israel would bomb Iran, with the administration of U.S. President Barack Obama being thrown into major chaos.[11]
Dec 14, 2014 - 8:58am


The turd ship time travel capsule to mars and far beyond. Mars bars :)

Dec 14, 2014 - 9:06am


His time on certain things like the dollar collapsing was wrong among others predictions BUT the big picture holds water. The dollar is collapsing as you know and the Obama administration is in perils at the moment and the momentum is growing. Look at the millions protesting in New York. Just saying, Peace my brother. p.s. it's entertaining for my simple monkey mind

DeaconBenjamin Safety Dan
Dec 14, 2014 - 9:11am

A Clear Trend

The Northern European countries are repatriating their gold? It's enough to give you the [Jim] Willies!

Dec 14, 2014 - 9:15am

@ litterbox

I'm not knocking 'the Web Bot process' and whether I think it is valid or not, after all I listened to the entire broadcast :-)

J.P. Cubish
Dec 14, 2014 - 11:01am

Daffy Dilly

Sunday morning cartoons...

To help relax after the KWN interview.

Dec 14, 2014 - 11:31am

Re: Daffy Dilly

Obviously where you got your moniker from :-)

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