How Fake Feminism Has Turned Women Into Sheeple

Fri, Aug 8, 2014 - 1:59pm

Note: We do not normally delve into issues like abortion on Main Street. Turd has made an exception for this article. I'm doing this article by request of Stackaloha. It's going to be controversial. Deal with it.

Women are becoming violent. Did you ever ask yourself why?

Never mind about the apparent increase in creepy cases of young women going on murder sprees. Never mind about female teachers abusing their students sexually (male and female). Never mind about young women trolling Craigslist with their boyfriends to find men to rape and murder.

Even on a basic level, when it comes to political discourse, women are foaming at the mouth:

Abortion Activist Attacks Pro-Lifers

Assaulting other women:

UC Santa Barbara Professor Assaults Young Pro-Life Activist

Or acting like proverbial harpies:

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Or how about the woman from the Russian art group "Voina" whose idea of performance art was to walk into a grocery store and steal a whole chicken by shoving it up her vagina? (Warning: As you scroll down the page at this link you will see a photo of said chicken. It is probably about as modest of a photo for such a thing as you can get, but it's still not for the faint of heart.)

Why aren't these women up in arms over NSA spying? Or paying attention to the loss of freedom around the world? Why aren't they outraged over all the sex trafficking (i.e., sex slavery) across our borders? What are they doing about Boko Harem except posting an occasional tweet?

What has happened to the hearts and souls of women? How have so many young women gotten so dark and ugly?

I have a theory, and I'm sorry this is not politically correct. Let me state for the record that I was a very active feminist and a member of NOW and WAC (Women's Action Coalition) in my youth. WAC thought it was "in your face" at the time, but compared to modern feminists, it was pretty tame. (Our idea of a "radical" action was to hire a boat for the Christmas light parade and put feminist slogans up in lights and yell at people through a bullhorn. Stupid and rude, but no nudity was involved.)

I went to two pro-choice marches on Washington - one with college friends and one with my boyfriend straight out of college. I kept my round, purple "KEEP ABORTION LEGAL" sign from the march and hung it up in our bedroom. (Boy, was that some bad karma. It was basically a big sign saying "no babies here!" and now that I'm in my 40s and childless, I can't say I'm happy with what I've reaped.)

I've evolved, and I'm now what I'd call politically pro-choice and spiritually pro-life. And I'm only politically pro-choice because I think abortion will happen regardless as to whether it's legal or not, and it might as well be "safe" (or rather, "safer" - it can actually be dangerous).

I've thankfully never had an abortion. But I've been a victim of the abortion mindset, which places sex above commitment and gives men a reason to treat all women like prostitutes.

Part of what changed my mind about abortion was reading testimonials of women who have had abortions, and had their lives ripped apart, only to realize they made the biggest mistake of their lives. Some women who have had abortions cannot stand the noise of a vacuum cleaner, or go to the dentist, because the suction sound brings them back to the horror of the abortion table.

One in three American women have had an abortion.

I think abortion makes women angry. And I think we're in tremendous denial about it.

We're also in a culture where a fake, pornographic view of women's sexuality is being pushed. Women are no longer honored for being nurturers. We have no good role models. Miley Cyrus, who doesn't even have the body of a woman because she's starved herself into skin and bones, is lauded for acting like a horny man.

I believe women are angry about this as well, though we don't admit it. And guys, I'm not letting you off the hook here. You are at fault too. When you treat us like chattel - when you abuse a woman or, God forbid, a little girl - you are destroying a woman's soul. You are making it hard for that woman to love. And women are designed to love. Not be sex objects, but to love and nurture.

I used to rail against the idea that women should be nurturing. But as I got older, I realized there was a hole in my soul where a child should be. Blame it on biology, or get spiritual if you wish, but women are wired to nurture. Once I realized that and started letting out my "inner nurturer," I felt more whole.

I'm not saying that all women need to have children to be fulfilled. What I am saying is that women are wired to nurture - and that can manifest in many different ways. Nuns never have children but they nurture people all the time.

And we should not be ashamed of that. There is no higher spiritual calling than to give love to the needy and soothe the helpless.

When we women go against our basic natures, we become warped and diseased in our souls. We become filled with rage and act out that rage in ways that even a crazy man can't quite touch. A violent crazy man is just that - violent and scary. A violent crazy woman becomes a nuclear bomb.

I believe this is because our hearts cannot handle the direct assault upon our vulnerable inner self that enables us to nurture. When that is wounded (and yes, I believe abortion wounds that part of us as well as abuse), women can go absolutely bonkers.

Yet, look at what the "women's movement" has become: It's entire focus in the West is on so-called "reproductive rights," or more euphemistically "women's health." The sole purpose of feminism today is to allow promiscuous sex without consequence.

And if you actually demand that a female high school student wear modest clothing, you are told you are "disempowering" her and "slut-shaming" her.

It's insane. Absolutely insane.

What's next? Stripper poles in the high school gym, because it's a "great workout"?

Young women have been duped into thinking that their main focus in life should be "sexual empowerment."

What a crock.

It's a distraction. It plays on the fears of young women that they won't be loved. Many young women are desperate for male attention. We're missing a dad at home and trying to fill that hole in our hearts, and confuse a guy leering at us with love.

When I started dating after breaking up with my college boyfriend in Los Angeles in the 90s, there was the "3 Date Rule." In other words, if the guy took you out three times, and you didn't have sex by the end of the third date, he'd dump you because he figured at that point you were just using him for dinner.

By the time I left Los Angeles in 2010, most young guys expected sex immediately and you were lucky if they offered you a drink. You were also lucky if they called. They'd likely try to text you at 1 am for a booty call.

This culture of sexual "freedom" is actually a prison for women (and men). It sets high pressure and expectations for sexual intimacy. And it leads to the need for abortions, because who wants to raise a kid with a guy you just picked up at the bar?

I will now put on my conspiracy hat here. I have come to believe this is what the elites want. It's "Brave New World" they are shooting for. They want the masses to be distracted by sex and drugs and dumbed down. I also think Big Pharma must have their tentacles in the big feminist organizations - pushing synthetic hormones and birth control. It's big business to them. (It's apparently also big business to the abortion industry.)

Look at what these evil forces have accomplished - women used to hold the moral high ground in America. After all, it was the original feminist movement of the late 1800s/early 1900s that promoted "Temperance." They got Prohibition passed. While I'm not really gung-ho over the idea of women advocating for a Nanny State, it is really sad to me that it is now women who are advocating for the severe moral and cultural decline of America - all because they've been brainwashed into thinking that being sexually attractive is "empowering."

It is not. You get maybe a decade or two of men slobbering over you, which frankly isn't all that it's cracked up to be, and then you're put out to pasture. Been there, done that. Don't care about guys hitting on me - it's meaningless. It doesn't mean jack when you are alone at night and they've left because they don't actually care about you.

But for a little while, when you are young and don't know better, you get a little ego boost from the attention. And when you come from a broken family, you don't realize what hole you are trying to fill.

It is no wonder, then, that so many young women are much more focused on make-up and clothes than on what's happening in the world. We've been sold a Big Lie - that we can act like men and sleep around and somehow that will make us "empowered" and "happy." But in order to do that, we must look our best. That means hair, make-up, and shoes, and later on, Botox, plastic surgery, liposuction, and desperate attempts to look twenty years younger.

But who, in the end, gets their feet put into stirrups and has a harried doctor suck the literal life out of them?

It's the woman. She goes home, empty, and the guy who used her for sex moves on to the next girl.

This is why women are angry. And we don't even know it.

And it's why we have failed miserably and are enablers of the destruction of freedom.

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Pattaya7 FreddyKrugerrand
Aug 10, 2014 - 6:58am

You're making my case..

It's not that hard to understand how you think. Just enough of me and my kids.

But maybe too many brown people or people I don't care for so lets just suck out a baby, with a beating heart.

Is your soul so empty that you can view abortion videos and claim "I donna know.."

I'm not a bible beating Christian nor a Pope worshiping Catholic hypocrite.

If fact I really feel it's a human right.

People like you make me want to arm myself with guns for the coming revolution.

May your chains rest lightly upon your wrists......

Green Lantern
Aug 10, 2014 - 8:19am

I'm not a bible beating

I'm not a bible beating Christian nor a Pope worshiping Catholic hypocrite.

I believe it's bible thumpin' Christian.

And may the light of his love free you from the harsh judgment of your Christian brothers and afford them the freedom, that you would wish, to worship and spread his word as they see fit. One God, one book, and lots of disagreement. Where is all the love? Wazz up with dat, homey.

And may his grace lift the anger off your chest so when you arm yourself for the coming revolution you don't pull the trigger prematurely and take a life out of spite and disobey his word.

And may God bestow you with a Holy Compass so you don't fall off the edge of the earth but instead find an island of naked natives so that you may convert them to your believes by force. And oh yeah, don't take their gold either and force them to hide their instruments because it's not the Christian way. Heathens I believe is the word.

It was only a matter of time before the Christian spirit of love and brotherhood was used to judge and harm others in such a conversation.

I suggest the writings of St. John the Cross and Thomas Merton to help understand the true spirit and love of the cross you worship by two men that exemplify the true Christian spirit. It is quite rare.

As for the chains on my wrist, they are on my safe protecting my booty.

Long live the liberties afforded under the Constitution and the Separation of Church and State. AMEN!!

Aug 10, 2014 - 9:24am

Angry Citizen

"Where are the Dads? Where are the REAL MEN? They are supposed to be protectors from those who pray on the vulnerable, the self-sacrificers that show with every action how much they love their wife and children?

Many men in our society today are just boys in grown bodies. They were never taught, or shown what a real man is, so they are confused"

Here is a very good program that will answer your question and I speak from experience.

Aug 10, 2014 - 10:19am

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Aug 10, 2014 - 11:10am

@GL - bless you, but you are *dead* wrong

Green Lantern - I really like you so please don't take this the wrong way, but you are really off-base and need a bit of a smack-down. :-)

So please quit while you are ahead. You're going to dig yourself a deeper hole. "10 day yoga program"? "2 day Reiki training"? Excuse me, but I finished 200 hours for my Yoga Alliance basic certification, and I am 45 hours away from my 500 hour certification. I have additional certificates in yoga and a number of healing modalities. I have taught energy healing and studied it for two decades. I am not some mindless Bible-thumper, as you seem to imply the Christians here are, but someone who became pro-life after years and years of doing healing work.

And don't pat me on the the head with this condescending masculine blow-off and then claim you know more about the hearts of women. Don't me started about how being male and pro-choice does not automatically confer upon you a badge of "Male Who Treats Women Better Than Pro-Life Trogolodytes." Because being pr0-choice doesn't give you a pass to be a chauvinist otherwise. :-)

You're also completely WRONG about prana. I already told you it is in the food! Then you write this nonsense: "That's why when you give a pranayama class, it's all breathing exercises. You don't sit there chanting, prana come into me. It doesn't enter through any other form of osmosis."

Balderdash! You chant mantras to bring prana in. You eat good food to bring prana in. You do yoga asana to clear your channels so your prana can flow more freely.

You have completely misinterpreted some Hindu scriptures - there's some nuance there that you are missing. The fact is, we have tons of other information from the yogis about prana being every living thing and not just in the air. The breath/prana connection is in part a metaphor for the flow of prana that comes in and out of us naturally. Yes, we get prana by breathing but that is not the only way we get it!

Additionally, the nadis (the yoga term for meridians, or the energetic "veins" that run through your body) have nothing to do with your breathing. The chakras run up and down the spine - there aren't specific energy centers in your lungs.

Furthermore, the Chinese expanded upon the original yogic energy system with chi gong and acupuncture, and there is nothing in acupuncture whatsoever that deals with breath. Chi gong does coordinate movement with breath, but part of the reason you are moving your hands in certain ways is to collect energy (not from the "air" but just the ambient energy around you).

Reiki energy (which is a form of prana) does not get transmitted by breath. It channels down through the crown of the head and out through the hands. Pranic healing energy is often brought in through one palm and then the other hand sends the energy.

The bottom line is: There are many ways to bring prana into the body, and breathing is only one of them.

As for frequencies, I presume you are referring to David Hawkins and his frequency scale, but that is not ancient yoga - it is his own system. I didn't even respond to the music stuff (I also have a music degree) but I personally find the idea that tuning A to be a little sharp and then claiming that will suddenly cause people to go crazy is a little far-fetched - because a B note is simply an A gone really "sharp" and we haven't even gotten into key changes and overtones and the whole system of music being used.

At any rate, I would bet money, that most of the real yogis of the past, like Yogananda, would have told you the soul was already in the body by the the time of birth, and abortion was bad karma.

Otherwise, what you are saying is, if a premature baby is born, and is instantly connected to a hose where it doesn't actually take a breath but gets oxygen through a direct insertion into the blood, that this baby isn't actually alive and human until it breaths on its own. Which is clearly ridiculous.

You came on this thread making these very vague comments about how you weren't going to say which side you are on. It's quite clear, however, you have had an agenda to try to convince us that life doesn't start until birth because of your specious connection between prana and breath. As part of this agenda you've been arrogantly telling everyone on both sides (Christian or otherwise) that their scriptural interpretations are wrong, like you have some big "GOTCHA" that you've kept in the seat of your pants.

I almost always like your posts and give them a big thumbs up. But when it comes to this thread, you've been absolutely tone-deaf. You are so caught up in your apparently superior "more enlightened" world view that you've missed the greater point:

The deep emotional cost of abortion for women, whether they even get one or not!

Look, if you want to make your case that a baby isn't alive until it breaths on its own, then fine, just say it. But quit with the lame "gotcha" games. You're wrongly assuming that you are the holder of some superior knowledge that the rest of us don't have.

Meanwhile, while you are playing semantics with scriptures and attempting to use an energetic loophole to justify abortion, you've totally shut yourself off to some of the beautiful posts here, some of which eloquently expressed beautiful love of wives and mothers, and others which expressed deep pain over the loss of a child through abortion.

Maybe you should go re-read those posts (again, if you even read them in the first place) and open your heart to the real, deep issues presented here.

Pattaya7 Green Lantern
Aug 10, 2014 - 12:23pm

I'm a Christian but reject the Roman Catholic church

Christ taught that to lecture on God is pointless. Only deeds matter. I adopted due to my commitment to love, and life.

Not for some pointy hat dude in a church where billions of dollars are corrupted. But due to capitalism and my belief

I was blessed.

Understand I reject the church and the idea of a Roman Catholic Religion. They are noting more than the arm of the New World Order.

""I suggest the writings of St. John the Cross and Thomas Merton to help understand the true spirit and love of the cross you worship by two men that exemplify the true Christian spirit. It is quite rare. """"

I also reject that it is rare. Love is much more powerful than hate. And love is winning. Abet slowly.

I've read this work. But it has a religious taint.

LOL. where is this "separation of church and state?'

What we have is a freedom from religion. You went to public school..........?

As far as my "pulling the trigger"

I spent 23 years as a Special Agent of the United States Department of Treasury.

I spent four years as an army officer. I was a Ranger.

Perhaps similar experience my which you can Advise me?

They'll pry my firearms from my cold dead.........I am not alone.

Green Lantern
Aug 10, 2014 - 1:13pm

Sorry Stephanie, but now you

Sorry Stephanie, but now you are just taking sucker punches, strongly stating misinformation, and moving from a well supported argument to an emotional rant by reducing yourself to name calling. You wrongly assume I am referring to David Hawkins (just ask when you don't know), you assume what a man might have said and though who is long dead, you wrongly assume my knowledge base by lecturing me on energy. The definitions I posted do not need your redefining for sake of coming out on the winning side of an argument What other uninformed assumptions do you use to formulate your conclusions? Vedic astrology uses the first breath, and not conception.

You can dance around the defintion of prana all you want as it's likely the majority have no idea what you and I talking about. But those who know won't be confused by the dance.

your tact is kindergarten. Certificates are good for frames, and black belts to hold up your pants. Plus they are not recognized by the system outside of the organizations who issue them. This is an anonymous forum and the only qualification anybody needs is the quality of information they bring forward despite their background.

To your credit, you probably surmised correctly Turdville has a heavy contingent of Christians that would have your back and generously reward you with hat tips no matter the quality of your argument. Simply out of agreement. If you were assuming you weren't going to get anybody with a contrary opinion, you were sadly mistaken. You wanted controversy. Deal with it is right. And you might show a bit more grace in how you deal with disagreement by keeping to the discussion and leaving out your engrammatic views.

Pattaya7 Green Lantern
Aug 10, 2014 - 1:32pm

Stop acting like a bully

You really not a smart as you think you are.......

Aug 10, 2014 - 1:57pm

Another point of view (cont.)

After you have entered the womb you ask, "What have I done? I have been free from the confining mortal body for so long, gliding along in a weightless body of light, and now I'm caught again in a physical form."

~ P. Yogananda

Whether or not one subscribes to the doctrine of reincarnation it should be painfully clear that to deny a soul the opportunity of human birth and existence is an entirely selfish act. It also sets one up for (perhaps) a similar karmic experience. Of course, the soul that's being aborted is also karmically responsible for its human demise.

As Ralph Waldo Emerson so eloquently stated; “The world looks like a mathematical equation, which, turn it how you will, balances itself. Every secret is told, every crime is punished, every virtue rewarded, every wrong redressed, in silence and certainty.”

Aug 10, 2014 - 2:03pm

it all arrives/starts at conception

the soul/life/"presence" of whoever was just sent from above to join us in this dimension, ...their spirit, with their little tiny unique individual body. all at the moment of conception.

Aug 10, 2014 - 8:47pm

So, GL,

Are you saying that a baby is not alive, or not human before it's born?

Thanks in advance for the clarification of your beliefs.

Jeremiah Jr
Aug 10, 2014 - 9:25pm


Interesting discussion, as always TED is a little on the secular and forensic side yet this is worth the watch IMO. Fascinating video.

Alexander Tsiaras: Conception to birth -- visualized

I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

Psalm 139:14-16

Aug 10, 2014 - 9:34pm

GL, You Said:

"The very fundamental basic quality of life and intelligence. Awareness that one exists. Is it a beating heart, or cell regeneration?

It is a scientific fact that the heart can pump after death," Death of what? You are using circular, undefined terms, my friend.

"...cell regeneration including hair and skin growth can occur for few days after death," Here, again, circular reasoning. "Illogical," as Spock would say.

"and a cadaver can even poo after death." Once again, illogical reasoning with undefined terms. (No, not the "poo".)

"So to pose the argument that cell growth or any bodily function is an indication of life defies the above statements and definitions of life.....So what constitutes life?.......The essence of the question is what constitutes consciousness/awareness that I exist. Not what chemical reactions and biological processes are occurring in the body "

GL, do you know that a child is conscious of itself or aware that it exists at any specific time after birth? How about before birth? How do you know, (if you do)? Have you ever seen a three month old child suddenly look at his hand, his foot, and study it for the first time?

So, by your reasoning, you imply that a child is not alive before self-awareness. What state is he in before this "awakening"?

Interesting idea, but your own logic has significant holes.

Aug 10, 2014 - 10:13pm

if only...

...good ole dph was around to chime in...

Aug 10, 2014 - 11:32pm

Have You Seen

The Silent Scream? It's akin to the Modest Proposal, (for you literary fans.)

This is a film containing an ultrasound of an abortion, (yeah, it's a real one), made by one of the busiest abortion performers in the country in the '70's-'80's, Dr. Bernard Nathanson. ( ).

He has a pretty good point in the film, but it is not for the faint of heart or children. It IS educational and should be included in any serious discussion about what abortion really is. After all, it's only a "blob of tissue" we are told. Goodness knows, what's so harmful about that? It's not like it's a real baby yet, right? Uh huh.

Just what would cause a doctor with 75,000 + abortions under his belt to want to stop such a lucrative practice, anyway? (Anyone? Anyone?...Bueller?) And yes, it is a VERY LUCRATIVE practice, especially since it's funded BY YOUR TAX DOLLARS, SHEEPLE! (But that's for another discussion.)

Suffice to say, gullable women are a cash cow to many, many predators, and lots of those wear expensive clothing, make our laws, (no, not your representatives in Congress), influence our children's education, and steer our country's and our society's path into the future. Think they have YOUR best interest at heart?

Educate yourself, instead of trusting someone else to make the right decision:

The Silent Scream (Full Length)

So, watch Silent Scream, and see what you think. It might answer a lot of questions, and it might spur you to find more to ask. But, at least take the time to learn about the appropriate information regarding this issue Stephanie so boldly raised here.

Are you brave enough to learn Truth?

("We wonders, Precious. Oh yes, we wonders.")

Frodo: "I wish it need not have happened in my time,"

Gandalf: "So do I. And so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us." J.R.R. Tolkien (1892 - 1973) The Fellowship Of The Ring

Aug 11, 2014 - 2:41am

OK, That's IT! I've Had Enough

"Until the breath and spirit enter the clay vessel, the child by definition in Christian theology is not life. " -GL

Says you. Where do you get your Christian theology? A Cheerios box? Chinese fortune cookie? Pleeeeease!

The oldest, most faithful "Christian theology" teaches the exact same thing my anatomy & physiology for nursing textbook does. The fertilized ovum is a new, unique human life. It is not the sperm cell, and it is not the unfertilized egg it was just before fusing with the sperm. After conception, it needs only a hospitable environment to mature.....hmmmmmm. Something every one of us humans, at all stages of our lives, seem to have in common.

If you wanna know what Catholic theology teaches, & what a faithful Catholic believes, pick up a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Don't take Pastor __________'s word, (or GL's), or the media's on what Catholicism is or says. Find out for yourself. Guaranteeeeeee you will be better for the effort, even if you are just looking for correct information. & search for Catechism catholic. Costs < $7.


When does science say Human Life begins?


Pro-lifers are often criticized for their position that a new, human life begins at conception. Many incorrectly think that this belief is based on some blind religious dogma, a scripture passage somewhere, or some stubborn need to tell women what to do with their bodies. All the while, this same opposition likes to pretend that they are the scientific, logical ones – obviously not blinded by religion or some judgmental God.

- See more at:

Frodo: It's a pity Bilbo didn't kill him when he had the chance.
Gandalf: Pity? It was pity that stayed Bilbo's hand. Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment.

Fellowship of The Ring by J.R.R. Tolkien

(Emphasis mine)

I Run Bartertown
Aug 11, 2014 - 8:24am


I understand why you posted that, but I do wish I hadn't watched it. It just topped that first Islamic beheading video a few years back for things I already knew were repugnant and should not have watched. I wasn't aware of the struggle by the baby to escape the attack. It really puts into perspective the 'clinic' bombings and 'doctor' shootings of the 90's. Those 'victims' got off extremely easy. Unimaginable to me that there are actual human people (they are even considered medical providers) who can do that 100's and 1000's of times. It makes the Gacy's and Dahmer's of the world seem caring and gentle by comparison.

Aug 11, 2014 - 1:31pm

I Know,

Many, many people are ignorant of just what an abortion really is. It is a truly horrifying thing you have just discovered. A lot like the "wakeup" that happened in this country when the holocaust was discovered, but on an even bigger, more wide-spread scale. That was "only" about 12 million people. More than 60,000,000 babies, in just this country, have been murdered in their mother's wombs since 1973. Ignorance & closed doors hide much evil, for a while.

In the good old U. S. A. a mother's womb is not a safe place to be....In there, they don't have the protections under law that the Constitution gives the rest of us, and it's a grave travesty of justice. (Sorry about the pun. Not good, when you realize most of their graves are at the municipal dump.)

The road to changing this horror story's ending is thru education, alternatives and mercy. Without winning hearts & minds, laws are meaningless. And let's face it: There is not one of us who can stand up straight on Judgement Day. We are all sinners.

Aug 11, 2014 - 2:02pm

@GL - you did not refute anything I actually said

You can dance around the defintion of prana all you want as it's likely the majority have no idea what you and I talking about. But those who know won't be confused by the dance.

You claim I'm the one making potshots when you have been the one slamming my education and claiming that the only reason I'm being hat-tipped is because of all the "Christians" here. You're also slamming the other people commenting here as if they are too stupid to understand the basic idea of a life force, when it's not uncommon knowledge or that hard to grasp. And yet, I'm the one not being gracious? Please. I was more than gracious.

You still have not responded to some of my basic points about prana - you are the one "dancing around" the definition of prana.

I mentioned, for example, that food has prana in it. You don't cite any yogic literature to the contrary - because you cannot. The teachings of yoga are clear: Food has prana in it. All you need to do is a search on "Sattvic food" and you'll get an earful on food and prana. I.e.:

"Sattvic foods are foods that are abundant in Prana- the universal life-force that gives life to all sentient beings in both plant and animal kingdoms. a Sattvic diet means not only vegetarian food, but food rich in Prana 'life-force like organic fresh fruits and vegetables."

So, are you suggesting that all of this yogic wisdom is wrong, because of one definition of prana you hold dearly to? What about the fish in the sea? Are they not alive because they don't breathe air?

It's also funny you mention Vedic astrology, because I am in a teacher training right now about yoga and Vedic astrology. And there is no teaching that the soul enters the body right at the moment of birth - rather, that the soul chooses before birth to inhabit a particular body and be born at a particular time, because of the influences that will shape them at that moment. I can certainly ask my teacher what his thoughts are about when the soul starts inhabiting the body, but seeing as he already said that the soul chooses in advance, including choosing being premature or having a scheduled c-section, I had already been under the impression that the idea was that the soul was indeed in the body before birth..

Could this mean that the soul knows it will be aborted? Perhaps, but I would submit it then is engaging in a karmic lesson with the mother. Which in no way justifies abortion, nor does it absolve the mother of the karma. (This is if we are looking at it from an Eastern perspective.)

The thing is, I'm happy to have a more thoughtful discussion with you on these points, but when you are denying thousands of years of teaching from yoga and Chinese medicine, based on one 5,000+ year old definition from the Vedas, which I believe you are misinterpreting, then I don't know how we can dialogue. The only way you seem to justify your position is by trying to discredit me personally and my training, rather than actually talking about the theory at hand.

And you're welcome to your opinion. But if your sole basis for believing abortion is not murder is due to the idea that prana/life force only enters at the moment of first breath, I would suggest you do more studying of energy healing and yogic philosophy, because the foundation of your belief is based on a misinterpretation of prana. Perhaps that's why you are being so stubborn on this point - to admit you might be wrong is too psychologically challenging. I can find no other reason as to why you would ignore all of the other citations I made in reference to how prana/chi actually works.

I'd also like to point out that not one pro-life person here was actually advocating to overturn Roe v. Wade. So in your zeal I believe you missed the main points that everyone was making and that's a shame.

PS I do appreciate hearing your perspective because I've been seeing more and more pro-choice people claim that life begins at birth and I was wondering how they justified it or where the idea came from. The idea seemed really crazy to me, because even when I was pro-choice and marching for abortion rights, I did not believe that and most certainly was against late-term abortions even then. So what changed that now late-term abortion is OK? Well, now I know. The shallow New Age has justified it with false teachings. Next we'll find out that the baby brought upon its own abortion by the Law of Attraction. Great! Good to know. So thanks for that. :-)

Aug 11, 2014 - 4:16pm

@Stephanie: Wow. Thoughtful and Inspiring.

I am the Father of two beautiful daughters. My stern and oft-repeated counsel to them:

All Men are Pigs . . . . PERIOD!

Pattaya7 AngryCitizen
Aug 11, 2014 - 10:21pm

The Catholic Church is a business

I'm pro-life, but I recognize that the Catholic Church, Christian mega church is in bed with the New World order to bring us socialism throughout the world.

The church is an invention of man. It has nothing to do with the teachings of Christ.

Aug 12, 2014 - 3:09am

Pattaya, Your

Evidence backing up these statements you've made is......Just what, EXACTLY?

Please give sources that you base this opinion on.

Thanks in advance.

Pattaya7 AngryCitizen
Aug 12, 2014 - 10:53pm

If you do not see how Zionism, Catholicism, Fake Christianity...

Are used by the machine/Matrix to control you then you are not ready to be free of your own mind.

Aug 12, 2014 - 10:55pm

The riots in Ferguson are the beginning...

Wait till the EBT cards are cut off!

You had better be armed......


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