Size Matters

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Mon, Jul 28, 2014 - 11:49pm

Are you well endowed with a large stack?

As a young ignorant professor, I accepted a position at a college that offered me a job as an "endowed chair of mass communication." They made verbal promises that the endowment would be funded. Well you know what happened… they never endowed it. The “benefactor” had not made the large donation promised and the contract specified it would not be made until she passed away. I had lunch with her one day. She was not that old and in fine health. I should have called CALawyer for advice at that point.

But that small branch of a larger university really wanted to be noticed, so they set up the position anyway. I used to ask for money each year. I told my department chair, “I have this professorship, but I am not well-endowed. He chuckled and then said, “Yes, but in this case, size matters.”

Size also matters with getting ready for the future. This past weekend Gamble put the question to everyone, “How much physical is enough? I thought I was good until I saw a picture of someone's stack, I think there was over a hundred ounces!

First of all, it is never good to compare your metal endowment to pictures others. It can be depressing and guys shouldn’t do that. When I was in college my roommate was a body-builder and he would look at pictures of the muscle-bound hunks flexing their tanned oiled bodies, and it inspired him to work out more. Well in his case, that inspiration was effective because he had a body type that responded to weight-lifting. He was born with it! In my case, no matter how much I worked out (and I did lift with him every day after class), my biceps remained “unimpressive,” as the girls termed it. But I did get strong. Some guys just have a body that will bulk up, and some do not. As for stacking silver, no matter how much I gaze at piles of the shiny metals in my monthly subscription to Stacker magazine, I am unable to get more fiat into my budget to enable a trip down to the LCS without some work or a sensible business deal.

Fortunately, our metals endowments that we are building for ourselves and our families depend not on our body type or someone else’s gift, but on our own desire, needs, and ingenuity in earning the fiat to make the endowment grow.

But a couple of members provided some concrete answers for Gamble:

Erewenguy offered a formula for old guys: “Personally, I am about 65% paper, 25% pm, 10% cash, but then, I'm an "old" guy. At this point in my life living expenses are pretty modest and most new free cash goes into metals for savings rather than for insurance.” I’ll second that formula. My budget is about the same 55% in real estate, 40% in PMs and 5% cash & prep. If the cash grows, it will be allocated appropriately

Icarus also provided a sensible formula for anyone: “your stack times 5 (the estimated appreciation in purchasing power) should be enough to cover all your expenses with a 4% withdrawal rate, assuming that all your government pensions go away.” Simply figure in how many years you’ll need to be supported by that stack and work it in the formula.

Many of us are on a budget and building up a nice stack is not easy. At least it is cheaper these days. A few months after I began in late 2010 I was lamenting that I couldn’t get any silver for under per ounce, that I would have bought much more at if I had only known. When I go to the LCS, I want to be a big player, talk about silver prices and seem important to them. I want to feel the heft of the larger bars, or inspect the gold coins. But as soon as I drift to the cull box of old Morgans or look at the odd generic rounds, they turn remind me to hurry up and make my selection.

But is having the largest stack possible always the best? My wife is far less concerned with the size of my endowment than other factors. She wants to pay off the house and store away enough food and other necessary goods so that we do not struggle to survive. She would rather stock up on toilet paper, toothpaste, her special feminine cabinet in the bathroom, cleaning supplies, an extra broom, detergent, bleach and other such stuff. But my vain heart would much rather go to the coin or gun shop to get things I may need, rather than Wal-mart to get things I will need.

Dr Jerome: Hey honey, how about tonight we go out to dinner, a movie, and then, you know, the kids will be at their friend’s apartment, and we can, you know …

Mrs Jerome: Well, Romeo, we could do that if you hadn’t spent all our money on silver, cutting short our “personal pharmaceutical” budget, you know… with the next one, you get to nurse and change all the diapers.

So clearly we need to prepare in other ways to augment our stacks of metals. The prices of some goods will inflate as the dollar declines, but the prices of other goods may remain somewhat stable or even deflate. As a part time real estate investor, I am expecting the price of homes to continue to languish and perhaps even fall. I will be waiting with my modest stack when they hit bottom again. The family is growing. My son has a serious girlfriend. And while I may refuse to answer the door in our new economy when certain in-laws come knocking, I won’t turn away my kids and their new families. But more people under the roof will require more beds and at least a little more room. So I value diversity in investing—metals are good, but not neglecting everything else we need to feel civilized and care for those we love.

Even though I already said that size matters, it might be best to diversify rather than having the biggest stack possible, because size isn’t everything. Lately, I have had more time than fiat, so we are continuing to prepare our home, building a small storage area off the back porch, still working on my solar system. The materials can be found on Craigslist or at a used building supply near the home, making the projects very affordable. But If I drop my extra fiat for the month on metal, my tools sit idle and the home remains unfinished.

The problem of metal storage seems to be taken seriously here. In response to Gamble’s query, hindsight101 asked, “One issue for me is safe storage. Banks aren't safe. Is one's home safe? How well can it be hidden? How likely are you to reveal the hiding place with a gun to your head?

Those are good questions for all of us to think about. We have all heard the stories about home invasions. As I get older, I am not so sure I want to challenge a gang of thugs who kick down my door, even with a self-protective gear. I have been wondering if a “faux stack” (imported from China perhaps) in a poorly hidden safe would satisfy a burglar while my real stack is hidden elsewhere.

Silver stacks are heavy. Getting it off the bottom of my pond is a real chore, requiring me to dive down, feel around in the mud until I find it, come back up for another breath, go back down, tie on a rope, then get my son in a second boat to help me haul it up. The silver I hid up in the tree is easier to get down, but took me all day to get it up there. My next project is creating a watertight container that I can lower down into my septic tank. Maybe I should just install a “dummy” double switchbox labeled “security lights” by the back door and keep my gold coins in it.

My best protection is secrecy. I don’t want to call attention to my home or let anyone know I am storing anything of value in my pond, tree, or septic tank.

So we are trying to find that balance between accumulating sufficient metal of an unknown quantity that will ease our transition into the new economy. We had some wise advice posted in the thread the other night that I hope will be reiterated here. How much of stack you should have depends on several factors

  • Silver or gold? Silver has more upside potential. Gold is more stable.
  • How old are you?
  • How many people will be depending on you and how old are they?
  • Do you believe the collapse will be fast, total and disastrous? Or will it be slower, partial, and simply force us into a lower standard of living?
  • Will current debt be written off? Will you get off the hook for your mortgage, or will a bank come take your home after the new economy begins?
  • Will bankruptcy laws still apply? Better not count on it.
  • What do you want your standard of living to be?

Personally, I am working to settle my debts before a collapse. The last thing I want are banksters hounding me after a new economy begins—especially if they suspect I am holding out a stack somewhere based on my IP address and participation here. We have no guarantees that your bank loans will be forgiven or written down. If my mortgage company collapses, the note will be purchased nad the new holder will seek repayment—perhaps in revaluated currency. We should expect that the banks will survive and will still have government lapdogs to help them squeeze their debtors. And if you don’t like our government now, just wait until they improve it (for your own good) after the next collapse.

I am stacking and prepping in stages. We initially stacked with all we could (at high prices, I might add) and then started prepping. Later, after the price fell, we switched to stacking more. These days we are back to prepping for the lifestyle we want, with the perspective of our age and trajectory of our children’s lives.

As for metals trading, I have been trading JDST (short 3x ETF) and JNUG (long 3x ETF) with some success, taking profits when I call it right, holding on for the ride when I am wrong. So far so good. I just can’t seem to get trading out of my blood. It keeps me engaged in the site and the metals world more than just simply stacking. Besides, what else will I do with my employer IRA? BTATFH?* I suspect the fund will be MyRA’d* someday no matter what I do with it.

Well, I have asked more questions than I have answered here, but the answers are different for all of us.

As for stacking, yes, bigger is better. You will be thankful for every ounce you were able to add to your endowment. But do not neglect the toilet paper and a roof over your head.

Hey honey, about that date?

* Buy the all time f---ing high.

* the act of government herding of all IRAs into T-bills someday

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I Run Bartertown
Jul 29, 2014 - 10:29pm

Thanks Doc

* This thread is approved by The Carlos Danger Memorial Foundation for Innuendo and Double Entendre.

cashonly
Jul 29, 2014 - 10:22pm

ag1969 Idiots are born not made.

ag, you don't build a multi-million dollar business because your an idiot. You obviously are a very smart, very hard working guy. Who in your position would have cashed out when the bucks were rolling in? The simple fact that silver was $5 back then tells us that most didn't see it happening. Even though I saw it I really thought the end was going to be tighter credit not MOAR of it. My real education came after 2008 and my silver stack averages about $28oz. (if I only knew then what I knew now!!)

My business partner was an idiot. I would take you as a partner any day of the week.

SilverRunNW
Jul 29, 2014 - 9:31pm

RE: ECB Negative Interest Rate Policy

From https://www.ecb.europa.eu/home/html/index.en.html

Why has the ECB introduced a negative interest rate?

"To maintain a functioning money market in which commercial banks lend to each other, these rates cannot be too close to each other. Since the deposit rate was already at 0% and the refinancing rate at 0.25%, a cut in the refinancing rate to 0.15 % meant the deposit rate was lowered to − 0.10 % to maintain this corridor.
The cut is part of a combination of measures designed to ensure price stability over the medium term, which is a necessary condition for sustainable growth in the euro area."

SilverRunNW
Jul 29, 2014 - 9:18pm

ECB Negative Interest Rate Policy

So the policy has been announced, but has this actually been IMPLEMENTED yet? Or is this just more blustering from Mario Draghi?

I have yet to come across any news reports stating any implementation, let alone a stated negative rate.

BTW, looks like Mountain Man is looking for some attention again. Must be lonely being constantly wrong.

erewenguy
Jul 29, 2014 - 8:08pm

Security is always a real

Security is always a real issue for me. I agree with DocJ's statement "My best protection is secrecy. I don’t want to call attention to my home...".

The first line of defense is hiding in plain site. and there is nothing in my outward living that would target my home to intruders, other than the random opportunism of a thug.

I talk about debt and fiat problems with people, and if a light flickers, then the conversation might go to metals. The conversation rarely goes there, so there are few reasons for people to know I stack.

Since very few people (even family) know that I stack, I admit I don't feel a great sense of obligation to save other random people in my community, unless they are particularly vulnerable or have something to offer in return. I mean this with the greatest compassion possible, but our social programs have allowed a lot of people to survive that would probably have been weeded from the gene pool in times past. Family first, and sadly, I have to be selective even there.

I would be quite surprised with a sudden collapse, because the banking system is an effective parasite that will continue to keep its host alive for as long as possible for its own survival. It has become apparent that the goal is to lower the living standard of the developed world while raising the standard of the developing nations. The boot is on our neck for no other reason than profitability cloaked in the facade of social justice.

I actually doubt I will see the full manifestation of this in my lifetime, but my children might. I don't necessarily see that I hoard wealth, but I am preserving the ability to act on opportunity as needed.

BagOfGold
Jul 29, 2014 - 8:07pm

Dr. Jerome's unfortunate event!...

Cheer up...things could be worse!...Thanks for another great post!!!...

Bag Of Gold

MountainMan
Jul 29, 2014 - 8:07pm

Take Profits Now

You'll build a larger collection when you pick this up 200-300 bucks cheaper. A major hammer is set to fall on the metals. The more they talk gold and the coming super spike, the closer the hammer will get. Watch and learn.

buzlightening
Jul 29, 2014 - 7:30pm

cashonly a good wake up story for all us slavoradors

who have been bamboozled for most of our lives also. Here's to waking up and staying awake! The collapse is already in progress as events accelerate. From savings and loan scandal of mid to late 80's long term capital crash and asian melt down, dot bomb, 9'11, housing crash, Fall '08 panic and numerous accelerating new events emerging Monthly, weekly, to now near daily. When the USDinker dollar is no longer accepted globally it will become a financial wild fire of massive proportions all will see it. You just have to know many financial fires burnt many folks already in frauds, corruption, and criminal bankstering activities for decades. How do you know when you are sick to taken to the death bed; one foot in the grave and another on a banana peel. You add up everything from being better to going to worse and the coroner hanging over you with a selection of rainbow bright body bags for you to choose from. Just as the USDinker dollar reserve currency has been bleeding for decades it has come to a final terminal resting, where some one is getting ready to walk in the room and say you're dead. It will be self evident to all the world then but most won't have even known the dollar was terminal. We at TFMetals know the prognosis and we're just waiting for the door to swing open and the financial coroner give it, it's last rights. We at TFMetals have already prepared or are preparing for the USDinker dollar funeral which is not far distant; financial coroner knocking even at the door.

Spartacus Rex
Jul 29, 2014 - 6:58pm

@ancient "Wrecks" Not Quite, LOL

Nevertheless, nice to see that you at least still have some hope left. LOL

Cheers, S. Rex

ancientmoneySpartacus Rex
Jul 29, 2014 - 6:32pm

Spartacus Wrecks . . . yes, I was aware . . .

But almost nobody else is. I think you know that, though.

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