MH17 and MH370: What are the Odds? And What's the Fallout?

Fri, Jul 18, 2014 - 1:50pm

How often, in the past 40 or 50 years, have we heard about a Malaysian airplane going down? And now, we've had two in the past six months. What are the odds?

I'm not the only one who immediately entertained the thought that MH17 and MH370 are, in fact, the same airplane. One goes missing - it is still not found - and then a mere months later, another Malaysian plane mysteriously flies over military airspace in one of the most contentious hotspots in the world and gets shot down.

Now it looks like we may have the sparks for WWIII.

So in my mind, if these are not the same two planes, then we've got a serious security breach at Malaysian Airlines. Or in the least, a bunch of really incompetent pilots. 

"Conspiracy theorists" have been saying for months that MH370 was going to reappear soon, perhaps as a flying weapon. Has it finally reappeared? If so, what's the end-game?

Why do people poo-poo conspiracy theorists so much? Sure, I get why people are skeptical about the idea of an "Illuminati" controlling everything, and I personally think it's silly to assume everything is a conspiracy...but geez, when something so completely bald-faced obvious happens, why aren't more people questioning it?

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(While I think Weird Al was giving a shout out to conspiracy theorists here with this funny video, notice how many people in the comments are claiming that the Illuminati are "good" because, get this: They were atheists who were among the first people for women's rights. Seriously.)

This does not mean you need to leave one set of group-think (mainstream media) for another (lock-step conspiracy thinking). Be skeptical of everything! Including stories that Sandy Hook was a fake. Sometimes a shooting is just a shooting. (I'm not saying for sure either way, so don't blast me for not buying into the conspiracy theory on that one!)

Speaking of planes, I remember when a plane went down in Queens soon after 9/11. Smack dab in the middle of a neighborhood! Remember that? Probably not. It was extremely downplayed. And yet, it was America's second-deadliest plane crash.

I'm still of the mindset that the Queens plane disaster was a 9/11 follow-up terrorist attack the government covered up, which isn't in line with the lockstep conspiracy believers in "9/11 truth." (My personal belief is that real terrorists orchestrated 9/11, potentially helped by the shadow government, but I don't think the government controls all terrorists or is behind all terrorism.) I figure, the government after 9/11 wanted to show it was in control, and a rogue terrorist (not "shadow government approved") downing a plane so soon after 9/11 did not fit their optics.

So back to this theory that MH17 and MH370 are actually the same plane. My big question is: If they are the same plane, then why make it so bloody transparent? Why not paint the plane and fly under the banner of a different airline?

A few thoughts on this:

1) They simply aren't the same plane - but the airline has a major security breach or incompetent staff (as noted above).

2) The puppet masters don't control all the airlines - but they do control this airline and the Malaysian government. So they risked it and used the same airline.

3) They could have used another airline, but didn't bother painting the plane because they know people will buy whatever the mainstream media tells them - in effect, they are arrogant and laughing at our gullibility. And they love it.

4) It's just a bizarre coincidence. (Unlikely.)

Well, we can theorize to our heart's content, but where this plane really came from is not as important as what it is apparently setting in motion.

Guerilla Economic "V" just released this dire warning after an alleged "interview" with a former 4-star general:

His message is basically GET OUT OF AMERICA NOW!! America is apparently going to be collapsed and absorbed into a North American Union by 2017. Oh, and also there may be a bio-weapon. That kills 20 million people out of a coffee can. Or other bad stuff. And don't try to fight back, you can't, because you aren't psychologically prepared, and you have no idea how many "mercs" (mercenaries) are on the way to kill you.

I have to tell you, honestly, that this audio ticks me off a bit. The general basically says "give up." If this audio is true, then this general is a coward. So he knew all this stuff was being planned but went along with it until he got too scared to cope, and is now running? Our Founding Fathers would be ashamed.

I actually doubt the story's veracity because it seems to be more about depressing people and making everything seem inevitable. I'm not saying "V" is a plant, but he may be getting strung along here.

Still, it speaks to the speeding up of events. Will we be at war with Russia soon? Will we even have a border? While you were distracted with the airplane, the Obama administration is busy setting up a plan whereby your safe middle-class suburb is going to be forced to take on the poor and violent.

This is going to be interesting to see, because the strict rules of many HOAs are probably going to be challenged as being "discriminatory" - because how can poor people keep up their lawns and paint their houses regularly? While I think HOAs tend to go overboard, there is a reason they were put in place. What will happen when no neighborhood in America can maintain standards of cleanliness or basic hygiene? Hmm... (Turd shared this link about four cases of plague in Colorado on one of his Vault articles.)

Which brings me to the next "connect the dots" moment: Is the timing of this Ukraine plane crash meant to happen just as America's borders are being destroyed? Hmm...

To be honest, there's this part of me that just wants all this crapola to go down already, so we can get it over with and deal with the next phase. Just do it, elites, if you're hell-bent on it: Collapse the dollar, bring in your Amero or whatever the heck the next currency is, and maybe we can start rebuilding and reclaiming our freedoms. 

But maybe I've fallen for the "psy-op." Still, I don't think the "elites" are destined to win. The wild card here is YOU.

What do you think? And what are you going to do about it?

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Jul 18, 2014 - 2:55pm


I'm first for the first time!

Had to do it.

Now to read.

Jul 18, 2014 - 3:00pm

No way in a million years

That it wasn't us that shot that bird down. Very simple operation for one of our black ops teams. The idea was to rally the 'dummies' in Europe into cutting their own throats and aligning with US. Sigh, that's an US I'm ashamed to be a we of. We have officially jumped the shark here, Houston.

Jul 18, 2014 - 3:06pm

Nice article Stephanie.   I

Nice article Stephanie. I also was a bit disturbed/peeved at the V audio. This falls in the same category of all the doom and gloom that Dave Hodges peddles. We have to really scrutinize what we're being fed from the alternate media. 

While this kind of media plays on our fears, it may "wake" some of us up (and actively prepare) as to what possible events could happen in the future, others will hid in fear thinking there is nothing we can possibly do to defend ourselves. Fuck that! I'm staying put in the gold old USofA and defend my family, friends and freedom!

Jul 18, 2014 - 3:19pm
Jul 18, 2014 - 3:29pm

Great points Stephanie

I haven't listened to the V interview link yet, I guess I'm a little tired of peeking down rabbit holes for now. I agree wholeheartedly that the "just give up" type of attitudes really bother me. I could leave the USA but how could that be right when the people I love would remain? Fight the evil with words, thoughts and prayers, and wait for the masses to wake up (hopefully). If the SHTF and I get killed then so be it I guess. I'm not running away though.

You are also correct imho that the Malaysian Airlines connection is too obvious to not be questioned. More to be revealed I'm sure, hopefully some of it will be the truth...

thanks for the article

Jul 18, 2014 - 4:41pm

Bank of America Tower

So the other day, I met a friend in this lovely park across the street from the new Bank of America Tower. I haven't seen her since 2006 when I left the corporate world a few blocks from this location. I hadn't been back to this park until 2013 when I noticed that they erected the Bank of America Tower, a mega structure, where the last remaining XXX video store used to be, a dungy hotel and old theater.

I asked her so when did this go up? She said, the banksters used all their political leverage, bought out all the old buildings, and almost overnight they erected this huge megastructure and next thing you know it's buzzing with banksters, bankster secretaries, mail clerks, security guards etc...

Bank of America spent $1 billion dollars on this high tech tower. It is the third largest building in NYC and the 5th largest building in America. 55 stories high and contains 2,100,000 square feet of office space, three escalators and a total of 52 elevators.

Here some more nifty things about this building.

Temperature control and the production of some of its energy are accomplished in an environmentally friendly manner for the tower. Insulated glazing reduces thermal loss, lowering energy consumption and increasing transparency. Carbon dioxide sensors signal increased fresh air ventilation when elevated levels of carbon dioxide are detected in the building.

Conditioned air for the occupants is provided by multiple air column units located in the tenant space that deliver 50 °F air into a raised access floor plenum. This underfloor air system provides users with the ability to control their own space temperature as well as improving the ventilation effectiveness. When building churn occurs, workstation moves can be performed more easily with lower cost and less product waste.

Water conservation features in the tower include waterless urinals, which are estimated to save 8,000,000 US gal (30,000,000 l) of water per year and reduce CO2 emissions by 144,000 lb (65,000 kg) per year (as calculated with the Pacific Institute water-to-air model).[16] The tower has a 4.6-megawatt cogeneration plant, which provides part of the base-load energy requirements. Onsite power generation reduces the significant electrical transmission losses that are typical of central power production plants.

In June 2008, the New York Academy of Sciences launched a podcast which highlights these green features

I know what you are thinking. Thanks GL for the architecture history lesson. It's as relevant as the price of bread in Zimbabwe.

The banksters know what you know and probably more. The banksters know there is a time line, a decay process, and a farwell party. But here is what I see, THEY AREN'T READY YET. They aren't ready yet to depopulate the United States and put us in the stone age with a virus. They aren't willing to kill all the workers, stop the economy, stop their source of income and destroy all the infra structure. I'd say if they know as much as us, it was a bad move spending $1 billion dollars.

One57 New Building financed by the Banksters. They want their money back before they blow it up. Wouldn't you?

How about the New World Trade Center not yet finished. Want to venture a guess whose money is going into it? That's right the Rockefellans. They aim to make some money from this sucker.

It makes no logical sense to blow up a ship before it's time is finished. As bad as it is, and as bad as it could get, the United States is still the financial capital, and the center of business. BRICKS might be building a competitor. Chinese might be working on getting more and more people to settle trade in the Yuan and buying all the gold mines, Russia working on the oil, but the transition is not complete and they are not ready to burn down the infrastructure they use to create their wealth for the foreign, domestic and outer space policies. Not yet. Banksters are in't the business of spending money on something that they are looking to burn down in a year or two. And the military complex needs the banksters.

Jul 18, 2014 - 4:45pm

I am personally most

I am personally most impressed with the banksters penchant for conserving water. Waterless urinals. I haven't figured out how I am getting in but I aim to drink a gallon of ice tea and make my way to the men's room.

The case for waterless urinals. California, ya paying attention?

Jul 18, 2014 - 5:15pm

Bank of America Tower

If I was an evil banksters, I would build a 1 billion dollar building for myself, issue a junk bond to myself (or bank B), then sell said bond to the federal reserve and convert the bond to cash for the Fed to hold. I then would park the cash and earn ? 0.0025% interest - or $2,500,000 per year to sit up at a 59th floor office. Thank you taxpayers.

Then - if there is some sort of financial stress driving stock prices down, I'd take the 1B (that's with a "capital B") and convert to companies worth 10 times as much. I would then claim I am saving the country from a stock market crash.

Not bad work if you can get it. At no cost.


Spartacus Rex
Jul 18, 2014 - 5:25pm

@ chicagoprep Exactly...


No Flies On You! smiley

Cheers, S. Rex

SamSchlepps Green Lantern
Jul 18, 2014 - 5:25pm

GL - so many ways to profit from spending 1B

I agree there's a plan with a timeline, a decay process, and a farewell party - but we always have to "man" the military and supply it for some time, we have to have outposts and cities/ports to accumulate and process the output through. and we have to have nice facilities to supervise from - to me that always seemed the plan. Transient owners and workers may come and go but there will be a need to feed resources out of the USA and a place to manage it from - it would seem NY fits that bill. It would seem the new owners of the JPM building would be happy for a place to conduct business and facilitators/partners to do so with.

The middle class to be supplied is in the East - perhaps you want a place to get away from that to-be created riffraff. There probably won't be any in NA - just the bottom and the top and maybe a few holdouts in mountain-top places.

And it would seem 1B or whatever the number is/was is a small sum nowadays especially if any fractional or hypothecation or derivative or insurance scheme were to be attached.

Were you offering opinion or architecture or am I way off base?

Jul 18, 2014 - 5:44pm

Nope SamSchlepps, you're on

Nope SamSchlepps, you're on base. Homerun! That was my point. The architecture factoids was just attached to the story to make it go down easier. However, it is an impressive building and not a temporary bunker.

So when I'm reading an article in the alternative press that Bank of America is ready to go belly up and looking up at a new 1 billion dollar tower, I have to ask myself, what's wrong with this picture?

Jul 18, 2014 - 5:52pm

@Green Lantern - same in Austin

They are building like crazy here. New skyscrapers downtown, a new "environmentally friendly" downtown library, a new shopping area downtown to be built over what is basically a creek, and lots of other development. But I have said that Austin is an Agenda 21 city. Still, I don't think the plan is to blow everything up like Mad Max. If the NWO comes to America, we are going to end up looking like Europe, and they will be too busy creating laws against things like incadescent light bulbs and hate speech to concern themselves with bio-weapons.

ned braden Stephanie C
Jul 18, 2014 - 6:23pm

100 years of Urinals.....

Men's Room (Lower Level) - Jeckyl Island Club

Jul 18, 2014 - 6:24pm

Waterless urinals

I've got a waterless in my shop. It works pretty well. There's a thick fluid that floats above the urine to keep the smell in. Excess waste liquid goes out the drain trap. Refill the fluid once a year or so.

MH17 has taken immigration off of the front page.

Jul 18, 2014 - 6:27pm

Put in Chess.

Putin is playing chess during an MMA cage match. "Oh, Putty you got my pawn. How about another kick to the groin?" Sad on multiple levels.

boomer sooner
Jul 18, 2014 - 6:32pm

Its called mark to whatever.

Its called mark to whatever. Marked as an asset, cost $1B, but we "appraise" at $2.5B. Then we get the rental income from the subsideries and who look at the "profit" being generated from one location.

Around here they are building new banks everywhere. Mainly one story drive through with nice high end interiors, brick, drivit, columns, granite, slate, ect, 2-3 offices tops. Most are less than 3000 sq ft. 2-4 of the new banks on each major corner within 1-2 miles of similar.

On one street near 20-30 year old residential housing additions, there are 5 new banks and 4 existing, in a 2 mile straight line. Within 2.5 miles of my home, there are 14 bank locations, only one institution has 2 locations. Population less than 20,000. Many of the building are less than 5 years old.

Jul 18, 2014 - 6:51pm

Thanks Stephanie...

This has been an interesting story from the get-go. It's not only the two Malaysian Airlines planes, but the coincidence with the shoot down timed almost to the minute with Israel's land invasion of Gaza as well. Also, this a.m., there is data about the 10 previous MH17 flights taking a different, safer route, and this flight was directed directly over the fighting zone. Then, just before I came to read your post, I saw something about the bodies not being "fresh". Also, last night, the pictures of a plane supposedly blown up 30,000 feet in the sky giving off a concentrated plume of black smoke looked really sketchy. This plot is unraveling in front of our eyes, the only question is who is spinning the tale?

Jul 18, 2014 - 7:26pm

Wow check out ALL that wreckage

I guess this must have been a real plane crash. 

Dear 911 stagers.... this what a downed plane looks like. 

don quixote
Jul 18, 2014 - 7:30pm

But why...

did the media make such a big deal about the first jet, MH370? They wouldn't let it go out of the news cycle, which usually lasts about a week. It went on for more than a month. My take is that they wanted us to make this connection, and have this suspicion. At least the ones of us that pay attention to things. So then why? Somehow they'll uncork the scam at some point in time to discredit someone?

Spartacus Rex
Jul 18, 2014 - 7:46pm

@ don quixote "the connection"

Yeah, don't fly on Malaysian Air!

Cheers, S. Rex

Jul 18, 2014 - 8:13pm

Simply stated...

Putin should get on his hands and knees and beg forgiveness. Nuff said.

Spartacus Rex
Jul 18, 2014 - 8:32pm
Spartacus Rex
Jul 18, 2014 - 8:35pm
Jul 18, 2014 - 8:45pm

Cliff Highs latest on M17

by clif high, Friday, July 18, 2014 9:30am

with respect..

i have had language for a few weeks that indicated an historical rhyme to occur on or about July 20th. The historical rhyme seemed to point to an echo of the assassination attempt against Hitler. Now the data sets recently had pointed to the 'failed assassination attempt' as the echo...not the hitler part. BUT it is a minor participating linguistic in the supporting sets.

As usual when dealing with immediacy data sets, i was racing time and the event showed up early. It was the destruction of MH17. The echo to the past is now coming out in the multitude of reports that the downing of MH17 was an 'accident' or 'collateral damage' in the 'failed attempt to assassinate Putin'. You will see more of this language appearing over next few days.

Yes, this was what i was alluding to on Twitter and other sites over past few days. Sometimes, as you may appreciate, it is not wise to be too prescient when discussing the plots of the powerfully misguided.

Yes, as the meme builds out, it will affect the economic situation next week.


One of my 1st thoughts on Thursday breaking news was where is putin? His stature grows wildly as lil scamBO's hits the border face down in the immigration conflict. We know what Celente's answer is for when the ponzi apocalypse is no longer a secret; the masses coming to reality of the dark side behind collapsing economies is war. All this likening 2014 as 1914 from the beginning of the year nearly said we'd repeat the sequence to war of those yester years. Assassination attempt or flat out assassination as in '14 we repeat. (28 June 1914) The markets paid no mind to this implication back then and shrugged it off but by August the guns were reeking blood and horror among the nations to draw most into world war including the US much later. 

BBC - History - World Wars: The First Shot: 22 August 1914

...............................................and here we go into the dog days of Summer and likely world war III. Yep! It is different this time. Enough insanity now that cooler heads already in their bomb shelters to watch the culling of nuclear conflict. Other than this similarity, chances are we break out in peace all over the globe.

Lamenting Laverne
Jul 18, 2014 - 9:16pm

@ Bugzy - My first thought too.... but

then I looked a little closer at the Reuters pictures published here:

I know that different camera angles can be very deceptive, when trying to judge distances. And I know that the description "crash site near the village of so and so does not necessarily mean that there is only one field with wreckage, but they appear to portray the same location and some of the pictures look a bit "off" to me.

I concentrated on the objects that the camera wanted the viewer to focus on. When you do that, consider how many engines the plane had with 1 set of presumably non-corroded turbine fans in each and that they look a bit small. Broken turbine fan that looks corroded is present in some frames, but gone in another. Distances between focus elements seems quite different, even if bearing in mind deceptive camera angles and zoom. Landing gear element is in a location, where the large element present in other frames, seems to have some similar features, but does not quite look the same only from a different angle.

Even if I disregard looking at the technical stuff, which I have zero background to evaluate anyway - just look at the trees - and notice one frame with what looks like part of the landing gear or nose wheel with trees - that have magically disappeared in the other pictures of the same element. The same seems to be the same problem with a house present then non-present, although the angle makes that observation less certain. There are no destruction to delicate plants like the surrounding (non-blooming) sunflowers (when another field is in full bloom), where a piece of debris has fallen and apparently not bounced at all. The same goes for what appears to be part of the tail section in the grain field - no sliding or bouncing before stopping at all? No destroyed stems other that from obvious foot traffic around the element?

The earth looks scorched, but the luggage effects looks pristine. The picture of the plane, where the text states that this is a Reuters picture taken at the Schipol gate before departure on that day (probably wrong text) but if correct text, isn't it amazing that Reuters took a picture of exactly this plane on this day? Position of the road and masts. There are so many more details, but you get the gist.

So I basically have doubts that these pictures are completely un-tampered with. But have a go, and see for yourself.

Jul 18, 2014 - 9:38pm
Jul 18, 2014 - 10:42pm

turd, lose the fiddle

golf clubs!

Jul 18, 2014 - 10:57pm

Making AmTrac Look Good

Malaysian Airlines is off my list of air carriers. Forever.

Treefrog, Nero never played golf. smiley

O'bummer is tone deaf and can't dance, no doubt due to his white/commie half.

Jul 18, 2014 - 11:15pm

Ain't nobody going to fly

 Ain't nobody going to fly Malaysian Airlines. It's going under. It was already being restructured by the Malaysian government when it's stock nose dived to I think 24 cents. It was going broke and now it's broken.

Somebody obviously doesn't like Malayasia. Kuala Lumpar Tribunal has convicted Bush, Tony Blair, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfield for crimes against humanity. In 2013, they found Israel guilty of crimes against humanity, genocide of the Palestinians. Somebody might not be happy about that.

Besides Malaysia airlines going under you have the costs to the insurers for god knows how many millions of dollars which includes scoundrels like Lloyds of London and Willis Group in Wall Street. Let's face it only thing more corrupt than banking is Insurance. So maybe a connection between all the factional fighting we are seeing with the Rockefellars and bankers and what's going on here?

Jul 18, 2014 - 11:17pm
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