Comparative Assessment: The Military Option

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Thu, Feb 6, 2014 - 12:31am

Any true analysis of near term predictions must take into account the various military options and capabilities of the world's current powers.

Recently, and I apologize in advance for not taking the time to go back and link to it, a post appeared here discussing the Chinese military reality. There was mention of a submarine that sunk, and that the Chinese troops do not seem to have any real ability to endure field conditions or hardships.

I found that fascinating, because I am a former soldier, and nasty, miserable field conditions are just no big deal. We call that camping, and even pay dearly for the privilege.

Thinking on a macro level, though, I began to wonder about the concept of an actual outbreak of a shooting war somewhere in the world.

Going beyond the concept of currency wars, which are playing out in real time right in front of us, what would happen if shooting really started?

This thought lead to a cascade of simultaneous war game scenarios, all of which lead to a most startling question: why is there NO discussion at all about the role of an increasingly capable Chinese fighting force or the denigration of US fighting forces from logistical and personnel decreases or budgetary concerns?

Is this subject so taboo as to warrant NO MOPE at all? Or, have TPTB realized that any mention of the USA military capabilities via a via the Chinese would lead to polarization beyond that which we have now, or worse, to an honest critique of the true dire situation that the failure of western fiat paper has created?

Or, is it just that the Chinese are truly ass backwards when it comes to military capabilities? It is true that they have no professional military. But, the Soviets had their one party system, yet they fielded a most formidable military, even with conscription and less than perfect weapons systems as compared to the Americans.

Or is it something else entirely, like for example, the Chinese play a longer time frame, easily out maneuvering the hasty Americans who are bound by managers on a quarterly return basis, and by politicians focused on a narrow, two year time cycle? If this is the case, then is it not a compelling conclusion that the Chinese are playing a physical gold accumulating, hegemony altering, world commerce dominating game of thrones?

Is this not obvious who has played the best hand, and that the game is revealing itself?

Think about why Bill O'Reilly had Ms. Bartiroma as a guest tonight? Was she advocating something real, or managed? Why is she on TV, right now, advocating continued buying of the USA stocks?

I am more convinced by the day that 2014 is it. The collapse is afoot. I'm buying more gold.

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dgstage
Feb 6, 2014 - 7:23pm

Roark

Talk about in your face. The system just gets more corrupt every day. Now there is no stopping JPM. One big orgie with those bankers.

Patriot Family
Feb 6, 2014 - 7:28pm

Re: A shooting war with China is not very likely...

Third party jurisdictions, good samaritans help the needy, thieves associate where money is, predators follow the meat, and empires go where resources are to capture them and sustain their ruling class's luxurious and immensely wasteful lifestyle.

It was ever thus, and still is today.

Maybe making a list of where the mines are, and where large (vast actually) tracts of agricultural land have been transferred to multinational corporations might provide a good list as to where Mr Big and his colleague's assets are already busy doing their thing to the locals and protecting their investments.

Now when you take notice that big money has confiscated hundreds of thousands of properties in the US and EU through legal process (!) you might get distracted into looking at the west. But the financial sector rape of the middle class is small beer compared to what sovereigns do, have done, are already doing.

ag1969
Feb 6, 2014 - 7:53pm

cp3

"Truth does not fear investigation

do you know who Jeff Bauman, Nurse Nayirah

or David Cole are? just asking."

You know, it is funny, I used to comment a lot at the old SGS blog. There was a commentor there that used to show up and bash Turd when none of the other comments had anything to do with Turd.

I used to defend Turd because I believe him to be honest, and he wasn't there to defend himself. As a matter of fact, I am not sure I ever remember Turd mentioning SGS or commenting on his blog? But this person showed up all the time bashing Turd, like he had a personal vendetta against him. 

So anyway, once, in my defense of Turd, this person started getting all self righteous, and out of the blue, and having nothing to do with the conversation, he asked me if I knew who Nurse Nayirah was.

Since you are so smart, here is your chance to shine. Why don't you explain to the whole group what Jeff Bauman, Nurse Nayirah and David Cole have to do with this discussion?

It is so strange to me at this point in time, that I, twice, in the blogosphere, have been asked if I know who Nurse Nayirah was, out of context, at two totally different sites, years apart, by two totally different commentors, but both in a way related to Turd.

What do you think the chances are of that?

https://youtu.be/TCKOI24k_UY

ag1969
Feb 6, 2014 - 8:22pm

Here is what I think of the China "Situation"

Here is a comment I made 53 weeks ago:

https://www.tfmetalsreport.com/comment/164054#comment-164054

Maybe this will cause China to unleash its dollar reserves to collapse the dollar. If this article is correct, the USA is rapidly creating a Ballistic Missile offense that will render China pretty powerless militarily. And also if correct, Obama has made a pivot to surround China with its X-band technology. I would humbly point out that if China was or is the big silver short, then they were aiding and abetting the USA to prop up the dollar to protect its dollar reserves while they got a bunch of PM's on the cheap. But, I would imagine they also recognize that if they collapse the dollar, it might be the only way to prevent a certain demise militarily. I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, but if I were China, I might be very threatened by Obama's re-election, and use my best weapon of using dollar reserves to collapse the dollar before an arms race with serious consequences begins. Anyway, here is the article:

No Wonder China is Nervous as Obama Pivots by F. William Engdahl https://www.voltairenet.org/article176673.html

I believe China to be in a race against time. They want the status quo of gold flowing from west to east on the cheap to continue for as long as possible, but, the longer they allow the dollar to survive, the weaker they become militarily. If the dollar collapses, where will the USA get the money from to fund their military expansion? China can collapse the dollar, and I need to do a little research to find where we are on the Asian Missile Defense (Edit: Offense?) System. But, I still don't think it is in China's best interests to allow the dollar to survive much longer, whereby they are in essence funding an offensive first strike against themselves. My best guess is that when China feels that the USA is nearing completion of their "Full Spectrum Dominance" apparatus, they unleash the Tiger and dump their dollar holdings. 

MsMaryMac Markedtofuture
Feb 6, 2014 - 8:37pm

Gold certificate for 170,500 tons of Gold, no one said Phys Gold

Karen's power transition model, with 95% accuracy, predicts that gold in the global collateral account, "cloaked in secrecy" is coming out of hiding for its legal beneficiaries--humanity.

THINKING POSITIVELY, if humanity can qualify for the German Deal....... you know 5 tons of gold coming out of hiding annually beginning in 2014, then with 95% accuracy humanity should have all their Gold by the year 36114!

cliff 567 ag1969
Feb 6, 2014 - 8:44pm

The Chinese are not a threat unless attacked

So if in 2004 when the Rothschild sold gold seat at the fix, does any one here believe that they left the family treasure behind?

I say they moved that gold to Asia, especially China, and have been collecting all the phys that they can every day since.

All part of the plan that was hatched in 1107 ad when the Templars completed their excavations under the temple.

It was treasure that they found but not gold and jewels. It was information.

That is why they create a strangle hold on our education. They know what they need and only need to approve this grant or negate that one to form the path of our society's advancement.

If you have a weed problem you need to kill the roots and contain the spores.

Simple logic.

I Run Bartertown
Feb 6, 2014 - 8:59pm

China's Spending

doesn't need to match ours to catch up to us.

USSR didn't need a Manhattan Project. They only needed Julius Rosenberg and associates.

China doesn't need trillions in R & D. They only need Israel.

"Israel has a long record of getting U.S. military technology to China.

In the early 1990s then-CIA Director James Woolsey told a Senate Government Affairs Committee that Israel had been selling U.S. secrets to China for about a decade. More than 12 years ago the U.S. demanded Israel cancel a contract to supply China with Python III missiles, which included technology developed by the U.S. for its Sidewinder missiles"


https://defensetech.org/2013/12/24/report-israel-passes-u-s-military-technology-to-china/#ixzz2sb2jsg7P

"The United States rushed Patriot missiles to Israel during the Persian Gulf war to defend against incoming Iraqi Scuds. Now intelligence reports say Israel sold Patriot technology to China. If so, that would violate Israel's obligation not to transfer cutting-edge U.S. technology to others -- a dismaying act by a valued ally."

https://www.nytimes.com/1992/03/20/opinion/if-israel-sold-patriot-secret...

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Besides, from the looks of what's publicly available, they are much more interested in area-denial than in global power projection, so they'd likely diverge from the path the US has taken. This makes direct comparisons somewhat moot.

And then there's this

Just kidding, the erosion of the US military is not the fault of these two very cheerful gentlemen.

Mr. Fix
Feb 6, 2014 - 9:03pm

I've got a few of my own, but these are pretty good:

28 Signs That The Middle Class Is Heading Towards Extinction

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 02/06/2014 - 20:19

The death of the middle class in America has become so painfully obviousthat now even the New York Times is doing stories about it. Millions of middle class jobs have disappeared, incomes are steadily decreasing, the rate of homeownership has declined for eight years in a row and U.S. consumers have accumulated record-setting levels of debt. Being independent is at the heart of what it means to be "middle class", and unfortunately the percentage of Americans that are able to take care of themselves without government assistance continues to decline.  In fact, the percentage of Americans that are receiving government assistance is now at an all-time record high. This is not a good thing. Anyone that tries to tell you that the middle class is going to be "okay" simply has no idea what they are talking about. The following are 28 signs that the middle class is heading toward extinction...

Hat tip to Bag Of Gold for my new avatar, I love it! yessmileyyes
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Feb 6, 2014 - 10:16pm

Sniper Attack On Cali. Power Station Gains Attention

Sniper Attack On Calif. Power Station Raises Terrorism Fears

February 05, 201412:40 PM

High voltage power lines cross through the California desert west of El Centro.i Fred Greaves /Reuters/Landov

Was an attack last April on an electric power station near San Jose, Calif., the work of vandals or something far more dangerous — domestic terrorism or a trial run by an individual or organization bent on damaging the nation's electric grid?

The Wall Street Journal, picking up from an earlier report by Foreign Policy magazine, explores that question Wednesday in a long account about what happened at PG&E Corp.'s Metcalf transmission substation — an event that has received relatively little attention until now.

The top of the Journal's story grabs your attention:

"The attack began just before 1 a.m. on April 16 last year, when someone slipped into an underground vault not far from a busy freeway and cut telephone cables.

"Within half an hour, snipers opened fire on a nearby electrical substation. Shooting for 19 minutes, they surgically knocked out 17 giant transformers that funnel power to Silicon Valley. A minute before a police car arrived, the shooters disappeared into the night.

"To avoid a blackout, electric-grid officials rerouted power around the site and asked power plants in Silicon Valley to produce more electricity. But it took utility workers 27 days to make repairs and bring the substation back to life."

According to Foreign Policy, which was less definitive about whether the attack was the work of more than one person, at least 100 rounds were fired from at least one high-powered rifle.

No one has been arrested in connection with the attack.

An FBI spokesman, without going into details, tells the Journal that the agency does not believe a terrorist organization was responsible.

But, as Foreign Policy reported, a former PG&E vice president for transmission operations said at a conference last November that "these were not amateurs taking potshots."

"My personal view is that this was a dress rehearsal" for future attacks, added Mark Johnson, the former PG&E executive, according to Foreign Policy.

The Journal quotes Jon Wellinghoff — chairman of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission at the time of the attack — as saying it was "the most significant incident of domestic terrorism involving the grid that has ever occurred" in the U.S.

Whether it was or wasn't an act of terrorism, the Journal says that "as word of the attack spread through the utility industry, some companies moved swiftly to review their security efforts. 'We're looking at things differently now,' said Michele Campanella, an FBI veteran who is director of security for Consolidated Edison Inc. in New York. For example, she said, Con Ed changed the angles of some of its 1,200 security cameras 'so we don't have any blind spots.' "

AT&T has offered a $250,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of those responsible for the damage done to its cables near the substation.

Meanwhile, there's another mysterious detail to report. According to the San Jose Mercury News, about 3:00 one morning a month after the attack, "a man dressed in all black was spotted ... in a field next to the property, setting off a large search by the Santa Clara County Sheriff's Office. ... Sheriff's deputies searched the area but did not locate the man."

Later today, All Things Considered hopes to speak with Journal reporter Rebecca Smith. We'll add the audio from that conversation after it is broadcast.Click here to find an NPR station that broadcasts or streams the show.

Update at 1:50 p.m. ET: Attackers Appeared To Know What They Were Doing:

The attack "seems to have been the work of people who knew what they were doing," the Journal's Rebecca Smith just told NPR's Audie Cornish. The evidence, Smith said, indicates that the sniper or snipers "methodically" shot at equipment that would disable the substation if damaged — but also would not explode. Then, "one minute before police arrived, they faded into the night."

Regarding the FBI's view about who's responsible, "we don't know why the FBI feels it was not a terrorist attack," she added.

npr.org

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Feb 6, 2014 - 10:18pm

Argentina Teetering

Feb. 6, 2014, 10:03 p.m. EST

Argentina FX reserves fall to $27.8 billion

By MarketWatch

BUENOS AIRES--Argentina's foreign reserves fell slightly Thursday, losing just $49 million to end the day at $27.802 billion.

The government took advantage of a dip in demand for dollars to buy greenbacks, the Central Bank said in its daily report on reserves.

The pressure on the peso also eased Thursday, with the local currency edging slightly stronger at ARS7.88 to the U.S. dollar compared with ARS7.90 a day earlier, on the formal MAE currency market.

The exchange rate and foreign reserve level has been stable since Wednesday, when the central bank ordered private banks to lower their foreign currency holdings.

The move pumped a wave of dollars into the local exchange market and stemmed the capital-flight pressure the peso's been under in recent weeks.

On Wednesday, the central bank notified banks that they no longer can have more than 30% of total assets in foreign currencies.

In addition, the government has been rejecting requests from importers to buy dollars, according to currency traders and company officials. The government has also been piling pressure on farmers to sell grain stocks in bid to bring more dollars into the economy and take the pressure off of falling foreign reserves.

Reserves peaked at $52.6 billion in January 2011 but have declined steadily since then after the government started tapping them to make debt payments, buy imported fuel and to fund spending.

marketwatch.com

DayStar
Feb 6, 2014 - 10:27pm

Harvey's Up! (TFMR)

  • William Kaye: The problem that gold has faced since it peaked in nominal terms in 2011, is that the pricing mechanism for gold has been the Comex. The problem with the Comex is the high frequency trading algorithms and serious intervention by central banks, including the central bank for the central banks, which is the Bank for International Settlements (BIS). The problem for gold is that in a highly levered fractional-reserve system, where the paper market is setting the price that mining companies and investors deal with, as long as that goes on essentially two things happen: One, people in the West who don’t understand what’s going on get scared out of gold. Second, it creates this artificial and really illusionary view of the true state of the financial world. By that I mean throughout history gold has served the purpose of being an excellent barometer for flawed policies. All of this will serve to bring forward the actual day of financial Armageddon -- the actual fall off the cliff. This will be the beginning of a very disturbing secular trend not only financial markets, but more importantly for the livelihoods of billions of people around the world.
  • Harvey: So far the bankers are still in control of the gold and silver market as gold initially jumped to $1263 early this morning on the USA/Japan Yen ramp (see below) only to be repelled back to the $1257 range. The good news today is that the GLD inventory levels held constant again and also gold seems to be moving closer to backwardation in all months. Tomorrow is the jobs report so expect gold and silver volatility as usual. GOFO was in backwardation for the one month.
  • Eric Sprott: You hit the wall when problems in the banking system are allowed to manifest themselves -- where some bank finally realizes, ‘Hey, we don’t have any capital here and we just can’t keep going on pretending that we are solvent when we are insolvent.’ And as we see this constant deterioration in the economic data, I think it will become apparent to everyone that things aren’t working. My biggest concern in the financial arena has always been that the banks end up with problem loans. In Spain something like up to 25% of all loans are problem loans. You just know there is no way for the banks to survive without the support of the central banks, and these central banks are getting extended here. There is only so much they can do. So you will see something (shocking) in the financial system -- maybe it’s in the stock market, maybe it’s some bank going down. The valuations are bearing no relationship to what the underlying fundamentals are today, so something is going to break somewhere along the line. So all of the problems that we had in 2008 are still around, except magnified now. So that’s the big concern -- that we all find out it was just a big Ponzi scheme and the market breaks. It’s the same decision I had to make back in 2000, before the Nasdaq crash, when I thought, ‘Boy, it looks like the Nasdaq is going to crash. What am I going to do?’ The obvious conclusion was you’ve got to own hard assets -- things like gold and silver.
  • Mark O'Byrne: Traders are positioning for what is widely expected to be a dovish press conference by Draghi, with an outside chance of another rate cut to nearly 0%. The main refinancing rate is already at a record low of 0.25% and the deposit rate is already 0%. Savers and pensioners continue to be punished by ultra loose monetary policies. The Monetary Policy Committee is widely expected to keep the BOE's main interest rate at a record-low of 0.5%. The Bank of England is widely predicted also to maintain quantitative easing at £375 billion pounds, opting against following the U.S. Federal Reserve in slightly reducing debt monetisation. Ultra loose monetary policies and financial repression are set to continue for the foreseeable future which underlines the important diversification benefits of owning physical gold. 
  • William Kaye: While the carnage in the emerging markets has been intense, what we have seen in major Western markets has not been that big of a deal. But if we look out to 2015 and beyond, it’s likely to be very ugly for the West. We are extremely bearish just because the fundamentals in our view are bearish. The world financial system is going to implode if it stays on its current course. And if we look at what they are doing over in Japan, ‘Abenomics’ is destroying the purchasing power and the savings of its own population. This should be a crime. But what Japan is doing, just like the Western nations, is leading to a global situation that is entirely untenable. In a way, we can throw in China as well with it’s shadow banking fiasco. But the reality is that the debt bubble is just way beyond the Rubicon. There is just no way that any sensible measures can be taken globally to deal with the immense debts that have accumulated and continue to be accumulated around the world. So we are going to reach that point of reckoning, whether it’s this year or 2015. But my guess is that the ‘big crash’ is going to occur in 2015. And as soon as interest rates are reset to a level that approximates anywhere close to an historic norm, the citizens of the world are going to be subjected to financial seizures that are going to make 2008/2009 look like a warm up act. That’s the end game.”
  • Deutsche Presse-Agentur: The 300 tons of gold that Germany is bringing home from a New York strongroom is being transported little by little and will take until 2020 to complete, the German central bank said Thursday. A spokeswoman for the central bank in Frankfurt said that small shipments back to Germany were preferred for security reasons. The bank said 5 tons were repatriated from New York last year, along with 32 tons brought home from Paris, and the project was proceeding apace. Handelsblatt noted that insurers will cover gold shipments only by air, not by ship, and will not insure shipments of more than 1 ton at a time. Germany aims to ultimately keep only 37 per cent of its gold at the Federal Reserve in New York, where most of the world stores gold. Multi-billion-dollar transfers are easily done by simply carting the gold from one country‘s cubicle to another inside the vault.
  • Bill Holter (Miles Franklin): "there are no markets". Overnight the German stock market had a "glitch". In less than one minute their market was down 200 points and the market was actually closed for a few minutes. When it opened back up...it did so almost unchanged! So...the 200 point drop didn't happen? What do you suppose the German market might do when it is "discovered" that their gold (actual reserves) really is gone? Will they be able to reopen it a few minutes later with "no harm no foul"? Or how about the US markets? Including the dollar itself? When a country "runs out of reserves" what happens? Argentina anyone? When we can no longer deliver gold to China, what do you suppose the extrapolation will be? Oh yes that's right, we don't need no stinkin' reserves because we are The United States of America. We don't need any "reserves" because we ARE the reserve! We can create as much "reserves" as we'd like, whenever we'd like and we don't need any "reserves for our reserve" (if that makes any sense). We are collectively as a "globe" hanging on by a thread. A "thread" of confidence and nothing more. Bankers in mass suicide(d) mode, archives being toasted and markets doing some truly miraculous stuff...the "stuff" that confidence is made of, right?
  • Richard Russell: My unconscious fear is unrelenting, and it won't leave me alone. Finally, I've admitted it to myself. I'm afraid we're in a primary bear market in the economy and the stock market. I believe it's going to be an absolute “brute.” And I'm afraid of what might lie ahead. And the worst of it is that we're being deliberately lied to by the Fed and by our government. The markets (which normally tell us the truth) are being controlled and manipulated by the government and the Federal Reserve. I've asked myself why Bernanke got himself into this predicament? I believe his problem is that he studied the Great Depression strictly from the standpoint of economics and the Fed's role in the Depression. But Bernanke never studied nor understood the role of the stock market during the 1930s. [B|DS: [/B]Russell is one of the last of the Greatest Generation. These folks held and fought for the American ideal. One aspect of that generation is they trusted their government. Russell is blinded by his world view to the immense evil that pervades our government. He cannot come to grips with the idea that Bernanke and now Yellen are purposely wrecking our economy, our money and our nation. But I will give his gut credit for smelling a skunk in the economy and telling us the Fed is lying to us.
  • Zero Hedge: That's right - you read it correct: "Blythe Masters, head of JPMorgan Chase & Co.’s commodities division, is joining an advisory committee of the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission. Now it will be Blythe Masters on top of the one regulators that is supposed to enforce a fair, honest and efficient commodities market. In other words, you too can get a job at the CFTC if only you can answer yes to the following two questions: Has your bank manipulated energy markets under your watch, and Have you been found guilty of commodity price manipulation? It's almost as if they are explicitly telling the handful of people who still care about this entire charade to take a hike. 
All this and MOAR on... The Harvey Report! smiley https://www.tfmetalsreport.com/comment/613027#comment-613027 DayStar
treefrog
Feb 6, 2014 - 11:15pm

terrorist attack on power station?

for years, i have thought that our energy infrastructure was a very juicy soft target for terrorists - or anyone else who wanted to do us harm. with a background in industrial controls and pipefitting, i have a pretty good appreciation of just how vulnerable some of our stuff is. miles and miles of natgas and oil pipelines keep our motors running. almost every petroleum refinery is adjacent to a major highway. imagine a vw bus with a sunroof. bus drives by any of the refineries between houston and baton rouge on interstate 10. sunroof opens, bad guy (gunner) pops up with a rpg and lays a spread of three incendiary rounds into the refinery, drops back down out of sight. refineries are full of things that burn well. real well. everybody freaks. badguy (driver) goes to next exit, reverses direction, and goes to next refinery. lather, rinse, repeat. half a dozen crews in half a dozen vw busses (or hummers) could take out half our refinery capacity in an hour. 

there's a refinery where kentucky and w. va join on the ohio river. a big one. nice view of it from the interstate or the river. there's another big one in richmond calif. again, right next to the interstate. likewise all over the country. they build refineries next to transport arteries.

there's a very big natgas pipeline that crosses the colorado river from arizona to calif. i worked in the compressor station there in the early nineties, adding capacity. a quarter mile from the interstate, or an easy shot from a boat on the river. a large fraction of the natgas burned in calif passes through there. most of the power plants built in calif in the last twenty years burn natgas. 

none of this stuff is secret, none of it is hidden, the badguys know where all of it is. have known for years. most of it is too big to hide.

soft targets. if anybody really wants to hurt us, i think they'll just turn the power off. frown


Feb 6, 2014 - 11:21pm

@abguy4

The original article was here: https://thediplomat.com/2014/01/chinas-deceptively-weak-and-dangerous-mi...

I was hoping to create a robust dialogue about the article's facts and conclusions.

Having an immediate reaction, based on historical facts only, is not at all enlightened. I am hoping to open minds and instill critical thinking as a first option, rather than lazy, non-reasoned, spring-loaded, MOPE-based responses.

So, thank you for the post. Perhaps you could expand upon your visceral reaction?

As an aside, when I read the article above, it struck me as quite abnormal, because I too felt that the Chinese were unassailable due to their large numbers and obviously capable military.

This article caused me to challenge my thinking, and I was hoping to have a good debate.

Mr. Fix
Feb 6, 2014 - 11:38pm

Why we have not had a real terrorist attack:

 Except for the multiple false flag attacks that have been perpetrated on America by its own government, there have been no attacks by foreign aggressors, and yet we are hated worldwide. How could this be?

 The answer is simple: 

Those who wish to inflict as much damage as possible to the United States could not possibly do as much damage as the Obama administration is already doing to us.

 All they have to do is sit back, watch, and occasionally giggle.

 They won't be here until Obama is done with his wave of devastation,

 but they are coming. 

Occasnltrvlr
Feb 6, 2014 - 11:41pm

China's Strength

Well, one of them, anyway.

agNau
Feb 6, 2014 - 11:46pm

An army....

marches on it's stomach. Hence...... the "China will find it can't eat gold." comment. Food will be a weapon used.......

Lintltj5
Feb 7, 2014 - 12:36am

Fatima and Akita

For those who have interest, Our Lady of Fatima in 1917 prophesied the rise of atheistic communism and Russia as God's chosen instrument to chastise the world (among other things) Sister Lucy, one of the visionaries at Fatima gave interviews in more detail in which she spoke of whole nations being annihilated.

Akita is an often overlooked prophecy in which Our Lady said that the chastisement would be worse than the Deluge and the fire would fall from the sky.

Im not asking you to believe it, even Catholics are not bound to believe it, just peaking interest in the subject. Both are apparitions are approved by the Church as genuine, just watch out for those which are not. 

Some other good ones to study

Our Lady of Quito and Our Lady of LaSallette

agNau
Feb 7, 2014 - 12:40am
cp3 SilverRunNW
Feb 7, 2014 - 12:49am

why worry about it,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyt8geo5AMA

why worry about it, silverunNW? you obviously don't agree

but then again, how much do you know about Stathis, or what Turd's

real name is?

Kool-Aid ain't tasty.

I have a lot of money tied up in metals so seeking the

truth is all that concerns me, sorry it bothers you, just

put me on ignore, don't Jedi mind trick me with puerile

"move alongs."

Why don't you spend an hour looking at his vids,

and read all the comments on the page, including 

yours that I posted?

Peace, bro, and remember, who's guarding the guards?

cp3 ag1969
Feb 7, 2014 - 12:55am

AG

sure pal since you are too stupid

to add 2 and 2. how naive can people

be to believe all the shit they read?

That simple enough?

did we go to the moon, yes or no?

what's Turd's real name?

so your point is?

when are the metals going to skyrocket?

what did you buy them at?

jeesh, trying to educate the sheep aint easy

ivars
Feb 7, 2014 - 3:12am

How China will become France

How China will become France 1789 and USA - Britain 1789 soon?

Now, Chinese have created a relatively small very wealthy class, and bigger middle class ,and these will be scapegoats. Communist regimes fluctuate between relaxation of wealth accumulation ( NEP in Soviet Union in 1921-1927, Khrushchev Ottepel in 1956-1964) and that following drastic wealth confiscation with population genocide. In China's case, this should be added with emigration factors as China has too many people to support in recession; so based on my experience and Napoleon case ( very relevant to China vs USA):

1) USA and Western bankers via tightening will induce crash of Chinese economy; imagine they have 50% drop in exports..Unused capacity, unpaid workers.. popular support for action against wealthy

2) China's first move will be to by some time ( as their immense private credit bubble will obviously collapse in depression on property bubble collapse ) via going into more debt publicly ( today 50% of GDP, but private debt 200% of GDP) via fiscal deficits and burning of foreign reserves. That may last max 1-2 years

3) During that time popular revolt vs wealthy will increase; it will be picked up by certain hard line politicians in the party, also military; There will be actions to calm things down by corruption cases and wealthy trials. This will lead to exodus of wealthy and capital, further decline in China's current account. The emigration in fact is in Chinese interests as they need population downsizing as economy will tank( have no doubt about that in case of Western recession, China used all stimulus potential they had already,. all credit to private people, infrastructure building. Now it only makes sense to invest in military) more and lower level Chinese will move out to neighboring countries, forming 5th column in Russian East , Mongolia and all other surrounding countries, importantly also USA, Canada, Australia (good for intelligence which they are getting ample amounts already today, and subversive activities), Latin America, Europe 

4) As this will happen, the hard liners will take over and to stop emigration of wealth ( remember French revolution) confiscate all that is still available in China to prop up state revenues- one time. That will be received with internal resistance, which will be crushed; May people will be killed in China, essentially middle class; army and special tribunals, militia numbers will swell, former Politburo executed, hard liners and army firmly in charge, but economy in shambles; The Age of Terror; China will start to look and follow its emigrants with armed forces in nearby countries , at first avoiding direct confrontation with the USA

5) Remembering French revolution, china will be forced to issue its assignats, or state capital based money. These last 6-7 years, so that is why I say that in about 2022 its currency will be worth 0 and hyper inflate. At this time, military will understand that only loot will help China to survive and have negotiable position and Chinese Napoleon will emerge- a Chinese Emperor with military skills. Chinese have addiction to Emperors historically. China's first line of attack- as in Napoleons case Italy- would be countries which has gold - Vietnam, India!, Thailand, and resources- Mongolia, Central Asia, Russian East ( or they will make a deal with Russians they will not be able to resist as Russian East by that time will have more Chinese population than Russian). 

6) After they will secure with migration and Army and colonization their resource base in Eurasia, and gold as much as possible plus mines, they will challenge the USA, which of course will be military active since beginning of Chinese expansion- actually, it has to be active already today in Eurasia, China's backyard and especially in India. But ,by analogy,China will be French empire, continental power; USA and allies- banker island, Britain, naval power. 

7 ) China will lose, but that will be loss win for the bakers as that will mark the end of debt increase cycle. Probably, as in many of the wars, China will lose because they will attempt to increase their landmass to far- they will try to get to Europe via Russia and Moscow and be overstretched as there are no supply lines for land army from China to Europe. There is 1 railway- TransSiberian- which will be taken out of operation by opposing side immediately. And it will get colder and colder in Russia, as usual in such cases ( based on declining sun cycle activity we are entering mini ice age like in Early 1800th. Like Napoleon's or Hitler's march to Moscow. Besides, by attacking Moscow and Europe, China will repeat the mistake of opening the second front (same as Napoleon, same as Hitler) while engaged with the USA ( North America = Canada, USA, Mexico , Japan, Australia and south -India). That will be fatal. But it may take 10 years from around 2025 to get that far, with big destruction in the meantime. 

This is relatively easy case to predict..:) Most of these actions are based on understanding how communist regimes function, which i and my nation and relatives have experienced directly since 1940 and have studied intensively both official and unofficial versions. 

nixy treefrog
Feb 7, 2014 - 6:38am

Yes

Yes treefrog......

........"imagine a vw bus with a sunroof. bus drives by any of the refineries between houston and baton rouge on interstate 10. sunroof opens, bad guy (gunner) pops up with a rpg and lays a spread of three incendiary rounds into the refinery".....

and 9-11 took more resources then this scenario ....... so WHY aren't the so-called 'bad guys' launching RPGs into refineries every month??? .......... be a damn sight cheaper than 9-11.......

ivars
Feb 7, 2014 - 6:45am

PM charts are in fact

PM charts are in fact undecided-they are hovering about former downtrend line, sitting on it, slightly more expecting weak numbers then good. If NFP comes with unemployment <=6,5% metals will move down; if weak data plus unemployment unchanged or increasing - metals move up. 

It is all in Obamas hands, what to report. Everyone knows it is a fiction anyway, but politically powerful number as it might indicate all the difference in choice made : between tightening or not. 

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nixy Mr. Fix
Feb 7, 2014 - 6:49am

Yes, Mr Fix. But it isn't

Yes, Mr Fix. But it isn't Obama ...... It's GOVERNMENT...... ALL GOVERNMENT..... I'm in the UK. The fundamentals are identical to the US..... print to collapse. Our 'government' is as your republican, but the policies are essentially socialist. Actually we used to have honest socialism whereby government spends this generation's money...... now under dishonest socialism they spend the next generation's money.

Gold Dog
Feb 7, 2014 - 6:52am

cp3, before I put you on ignore,

I own PM's as insurance, not to get rich.

I pray I don't need it ergo a low price helps me sleep at night.

Having been a stacker since the 70's I am sure I own at a profit.

Bye!

nixy cp3
Feb 7, 2014 - 7:01am

cp3 ...so you you have a lot

cp3 ...so you you have a lot of money 'tied up' in metals?

One question.

Why?

Oh sorry, make that two questions.

What do you mean exactly by 'tied up'?

Excalibur
Feb 7, 2014 - 7:20am

Half life

I wonder what the half-life of responses to mischievous time wasters like 3cp0 is, as responses decline and s/he is ignored by growing numbers.

ag1969
Feb 7, 2014 - 7:45am

Good morning everyone

Yep, just as I suspected, cp3 is the same guy. Back then he used to ask all the time if "I even knew what Turd's real name was. "

I can tell each of you emphatically that he is only here to bash Turd.

I can't say I remember the genesis of his beef with Turd, but apparently, it dies hard.

LMFAO. Yep, we are all a bunch of sheep here. Get a shovel, keep diggin'.

Mr. Fix
Feb 7, 2014 - 8:08am

@ nixy

Good morning,

I think the collapse in our near future will be designed to blame on government, but it could not have achieved without a government that has been hijacked by the banks, who blow up all the bubbles before they get popped.

 A responsible government would not spend the next generation's money, but it would be possible without the loans that they receive from the international bankers, who created it out of nothing.

 Sometimes I'm just a bit too hard on Obama,wink but he is one of many puppets, puppets that are in charge of nations, who only answer to the ones that print the money.

 If you were to replace all the politicians with honest men, they would not survive, the bankers would make sure of it.

 If you were to annihilate all the bankers, humanity would thrive.

 Unfortunately, nobody will even look at the pure evil behind the scenes, handing out money,

 and then taking it away.

 In anything that resembles a democracy, the politicians answer to the populace.

 What we have now are traitorous puppets that answer to their banking overlords.

The bankers don't answer to anyone, and literally get their guidance from the devil.

 The question is, will humanity ever figure this out and resolve it?

Excalibur
Feb 7, 2014 - 8:13am

Not my definition of money (or currency for that matter)

MADRID (MarketWatch) -- Bitcoin prices fell on Friday after exchange Mt. Gox said it was halting withdrawals temporarily. The company said an increase in flow of withdrawals requests "has hindered our efforts on a technical level. To understand the issue thoroughly, the system needs to be in a static state," said Mt. Gox officials in a note on the website Friday. To resolve the issue, it said a temporarily pause on all withdrawal requests was needed. Its tech team was working on its system, Mt. Gox added, and an update will be provided by Monday. The price of a bitcoin last traded at $719.44, with a session high of $867.60 and a low of $651.70. 

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