Comparative Assessment: The Military Option

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Thu, Feb 6, 2014 - 12:31am

Any true analysis of near term predictions must take into account the various military options and capabilities of the world's current powers.

Recently, and I apologize in advance for not taking the time to go back and link to it, a post appeared here discussing the Chinese military reality. There was mention of a submarine that sunk, and that the Chinese troops do not seem to have any real ability to endure field conditions or hardships.

I found that fascinating, because I am a former soldier, and nasty, miserable field conditions are just no big deal. We call that camping, and even pay dearly for the privilege.

Thinking on a macro level, though, I began to wonder about the concept of an actual outbreak of a shooting war somewhere in the world.

Going beyond the concept of currency wars, which are playing out in real time right in front of us, what would happen if shooting really started?

This thought lead to a cascade of simultaneous war game scenarios, all of which lead to a most startling question: why is there NO discussion at all about the role of an increasingly capable Chinese fighting force or the denigration of US fighting forces from logistical and personnel decreases or budgetary concerns?

Is this subject so taboo as to warrant NO MOPE at all? Or, have TPTB realized that any mention of the USA military capabilities via a via the Chinese would lead to polarization beyond that which we have now, or worse, to an honest critique of the true dire situation that the failure of western fiat paper has created?

Or, is it just that the Chinese are truly ass backwards when it comes to military capabilities? It is true that they have no professional military. But, the Soviets had their one party system, yet they fielded a most formidable military, even with conscription and less than perfect weapons systems as compared to the Americans.

Or is it something else entirely, like for example, the Chinese play a longer time frame, easily out maneuvering the hasty Americans who are bound by managers on a quarterly return basis, and by politicians focused on a narrow, two year time cycle? If this is the case, then is it not a compelling conclusion that the Chinese are playing a physical gold accumulating, hegemony altering, world commerce dominating game of thrones?

Is this not obvious who has played the best hand, and that the game is revealing itself?

Think about why Bill O'Reilly had Ms. Bartiroma as a guest tonight? Was she advocating something real, or managed? Why is she on TV, right now, advocating continued buying of the USA stocks?

I am more convinced by the day that 2014 is it. The collapse is afoot. I'm buying more gold.

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ivars
Feb 6, 2014 - 4:33am

I think due to coming

I think due to coming depression created by Western tigtening now, China will be forced first into huge public debt eating off its reserves to some extent, and then into change of mindset as the ones who understand and oppose world banker games will topple those who play along for too long.

So , given the time needed for Chinese to build up their army technologically and may be even observing their 10 year leadership change period, its is clear to me that by 2023 the leader of China will be some very smart general like Napoleon. A new version.

Now as France in 1800 , this mainland Eurasian China will take on banker Island - the USA or more broadly, North America ( I think Canada and Mexico will be already quite formally incorporated by then into the USD empire) . To do that, it may need to expand its resources in Eurasia- Russian East, Central Asia, South East Asia. Like Napoleon picked up whole Europe before fighting England in earnest. As then USA is naval and banking power like England, China is continental ; to continue the analogy, prior to Chinese Napoleon, China will undergo real internal mess as the West contracts money supply and Chinas economy turns upside down.

Not sure , but the fight may start about Japan and or Australia..But most likely South Korea/Vietnam. North Korea training will come in handy for Chinese. Taiwan is already Chinese, in principle, if things get hotter.

The most clever bankers will of course same way as in 1800- back both sides, but soon it will become clear to them that Chinese Napoleon has something not so good in mind for them as Napoleon had. Napoleon said that to assimilate bankers as ordinary citizens one has to be real strong. So he was beaten, in the end.

Probably, China will also lose, but the end of this warring which may last 20 years easily will be fundamental change in human thinking- both due to the tragedy and the understanding of true causes if this hostility.

The most fundamental American strategy now- facing that conflict with certain inevitability- would be to secure Eurasia heartland within these 10 years. The USA has done something- bases are all over the place- but they do not really have allies there. I think its the last moment to start doing something serious about it. Ukraine and Turkey would be a good place to start afresh , taking route via Russian south not directly in Central Asia, as Afghanistan and Pakistan have been failures. Other place to secure is Australia. And most interesting- Russian Far East.. Who could help in that?

I think a very big game is going to start very very soon.

ivars
Feb 6, 2014 - 4:53am

Silver did break very longish

Silver did break very longish down trend yesterday on daily; if it could do it on weekly (after Friday stay above 20 USD) , I would start to think the last bottom will never come. But not before Friday evening.

dgstage
Feb 6, 2014 - 5:06am
cp3
Feb 6, 2014 - 5:10am

mike stathis

turd,

would you ever have mike stathis on your show?

what are your thoughts on him?

anyone?

cp3
Feb 6, 2014 - 5:10am

mike stathis

turd,

would you ever have mike stathis on your show?

what are your thoughts on him?

anyone?

cp3
Feb 6, 2014 - 5:10am

mike stathis

turd,

would you ever have mike stathis on your show?

what are your thoughts on him?

anyone?

achmachat
Feb 6, 2014 - 5:15am

cp3

wow... good thing your name isn't cp30 or we would have had that message 30 times instead of 3.

ivars
Feb 6, 2014 - 5:44am

A pair of Navy ships has entered the Black Sea

https://www.stripes.com/news/uss-mount-whitney-uss-taylor-in-black-sea-ahead-of-olympics-1.265744

They can stay in Black Sea for 21 day according to agreement covering entry of ships from countries that does not have borders with Black Sea yet. So the clock has started its count. 5th-26th of February the ships can be legally in the Black Sea and act as the plans are. Sochi Olympics end on 23rd. Ukraine is there all the time as well. So is Turkey.

Quote:
NAPLES, Italy — A pair of Navy ships has entered the Black Sea, where the top U.S. commander in Europe has said they will be available to respond to any emergencies arising from the Winter Olympic games in Sochi.

The USS Mount Whitney, an amphibious command ship, and the USS Taylor, a guided-missile frigate, arrived Tuesday on a routine and pre-scheduled deployment to the region, a U.S. Navy release said.

The Pentagon announced their planned deployment to the region in January, after terrorist groups threatened to disrupt the Olympic Games in the resort town on Russia’s Black Sea coast. The events begin Friday and run through Feb. 23.

Air Force Gen. Philip Breedlove, chief of U.S. European Command, said in an interview with Stars and Stripes on Saturday that one of the ships would offer command-and-control ability, a role seemingly filled by the Mount Whitney, the flagship of the U.S. 6th Fleet in Europe.

The military will have assets that can be deployed for medical operations in Sochi, should there be a demand for such support, Breedlove said.

“We will have the capability to respond medically with airlift if it is required,” Breedlove said. “We will require cooperation with Russia to be able to land those aircraft.”

The ships total roughly 500 sailors together, and both have helicopter pads.

Fears over the safety of athletes have increased in recent months following suicide attacks in the city of Volgograd in December and a series of threats against athletes competing in the games, prompting Russia to impose heavy security measures in and around Sochi. Russian and U.S. officials have discussed sharing information on countering improvised explosive devices, and the FBI reported it would send at least two dozen agents to the games.

American athletes will be escorted by diplomatic security, according to the State Department.

Dagney Taggart
Feb 6, 2014 - 5:51am

Good Topic, CL

I'll read it more carefully tomorrow. It's a little after 2 AM and I can't sleep. Shouldn't have been playing outside the last 2 days because now I have a bad cold. But that means I might be around here the next few days.

Anyway a few points came to mind from past conversations, in no particular order:

1. Maria B is CFR and a blatant liar. Don't trust a damn word she says. Did she say which stocks in particular? Twitter perhaps?

2. Chinese soldiers cannot just breeze across the Pacific undetected on large slow ships to invade N. America. Ignore this fearmongering. They cannot come here unless they are allowed to. If this happens, we will know for sure who the terrorists really are.

3. I've strongly felt that western militaries will be deliberately marooned/used as labrats when the last major conflict in the middle east is started. The hasn't either because the west is broke or the satanists can't get their goat idol to fart at the exact moment Mars, Jupiter, and Pluto are aligned and the moon is rising at Bohemian Grove or something similar. Anyway, if you have friends or family there, just be prepared to never see them again even if they are not fighting.

4. Why would China waste money fighting when they can just use it to buy gold and openly kill off 200 million peasants who would have died in a war (herd management). There are far cheaper ways to achieve the consequences of war without actually having one, especially when you don't have to keep up appearances.

Nice breakout in silver. It will be nice if it holds through tomorrow.

OK that's enough. I'm tired again. See you all later today, maybe....

cp3
Feb 6, 2014 - 5:55am

YT

sorry for the triple post, it did not show up as being posted ...

type this into YT, "Stathis schools Schiff"

any replies appreciated

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