Whaddayagottalose?

151
Sat, Sep 28, 2013 - 11:25am

I mean, seriously. Why not sign the petition? It's worth a try.

This idea was floated yesterday by Eric Dubin at SilverDoctors. If you sign the petition and nothing ever comes of it, you'll have given away about one minute of your life that you won't get back. Otherwise, I don't see much downside to trying.

First, read the petition here: https://thenewsdoctors.com/bart-chilton-resign-and-become-a-whistleblower-open-letter-petition/

And then sign the petition here: https://www.gopetition.com/petitions/bart-chilton-resign-go-public-on-silver-manipulation.html

You'll note that yours truly was signatory #10.

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didier
Sep 28, 2013 - 2:16pm

signed one hour ago and am number 157

silver and gold in the blogosphere is not very hot

realitybiter
Sep 28, 2013 - 2:16pm

there is no anonymity

Anybody that wants to dig into who and where you are, only needs an IP address....you can make up all the BS you want, your IP address outs you.

I have worked with a lot of combat vets. They all say something very similar. When they were "in the shit", heat of the battle, they were only effective when they accepted the fact that they were already dead.....and then they lived - because they freed themselves to operate productively. I believe we can all learn a lot from that. Don't live in a state of fear. The media, the movies, all want us to be scared shitless and behave like frightened sheep...cowering quietly.

Don't.

gold slut
Sep 28, 2013 - 2:19pm

Petition

#196!

Ok, ok, I know that this is less than a microbe bite on the arse of a Dinosaur but sometimes you just have to stop being cowed and stand up and say 'I'm Spartacus!'

I understand that this is not likely to get over a couple of thousand signatures and that even if that happened only Unicorns farting so many rainbows in their direction will make anything happen, but at least someone has waved their bum at them!!

Gold Dog
Sep 28, 2013 - 2:19pm

I have signed the petition.....

....three times on behalf of my friends!

I will sign it for myself later on if they are still alive.

Your friend,

Forgery Dog

meegoreng1
Sep 28, 2013 - 2:20pm

Mass buy in

I really don't know how this coordinate mass buy in on a specific date would work. What if on Oct 31st, silver goes up to a high? Are we still going to buy in at this price? It is also possible that if this mass buy in ever catches fire in the future, TPTB can plan their attack by pummeling the paper silver prices the next day thus causing instant losses among those participating.

When I buy I usually end up purchasing a monster box and my goal is to purchase them at the lowest price possible. I already have plans to do so if it ever gets below $20.

ctob
Sep 28, 2013 - 2:55pm

Stop throwing pejoratives

I would say, in a general sense, the leadership in the US has become degenerate and mediocre on all levels and areas. There are few good leaders and all our societal mechanism for the recruitment and training of good leaders have been undermined or destroyed. You want people to follow your example. You DON'T do it by calling them cowards. OK? I appreciate TF's and Doc's etc attempt to put forward some plan of action. This is the beginning of leadership. Please applaud them for it. But the next portion of leadership is providing something that is also tactically sound. My belief is that petitions are not tacticaly sound in the current environment. Lead, follow or get out of the way. That is the saying, right? Well the "get out of the way" part is to reduce the natural tension that always exists between the leaders and the followers. Everyone always has their own ideas and followers are always constantly gauging the competency of the leaders. You think so many people are not that enthused because they are cowards? Read between the lines. They are not enthused because they do not see as tactically sound for multiple reasons. Some of the "followers" are trying to bully some people into getting into the "follower" camp or to silence to "get out of the way". Fine this is human nature. It is incumbent upon the leaders to manage this. A good leader realizes perhaps too many potential followers are not comfortable with the tactics for various reasons and adjusts. Sometimes there is nothing to do but kickass until people fall in line. But this is not taught anymore. The only thing taught nowadays is how to manipulate people and be a fucking weasel. Not how to lead. Its so bad that few people even know what it is or how the division of responsibilities plays out. Now good leaders are rare and always have been and always will be because its a rare combination of skills to be truly good. But we are not at a point where even semi-competent leadership is also quite rare because that baby was thrown out with the bath water a number of years ago. But this is what you are seeing. Its not cowardice. It is the chaotic concerns of a herd with no real leadership, with no idea what leadership really is but an ingrained, perhaps even genetic need, for this leadership. One poster was right people need to "Nut Up" but not about signing a petition or being afraid of no longer being anonymous. You need to Nut Up and realize this is not a fucking slap fight. Tell people to Nut Up when all you are doing is whining to crooks who won't listen is fucking WEAK. You think people are going to follow a weak leader. IT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.

SS121
Sep 28, 2013 - 3:05pm

Silver !

"Silver has the fiat monetary powers of this world backed into a corner with nothing but a fake silver price index to hold up in defense."

You want to be part of the victory? STACK!

Bollocks
Sep 28, 2013 - 3:20pm

Bugzy

The information on everything you do isn't sorted through by anyone, it's just recorded and stored.

It's only when you appear to be a "terrorist" (ie, dare to question the government - and they really start to notice and feel you may be a threat to them) that their programs will pull up a history of everything that's been logged about you, and search filters will bring up the stuff they don't like. Then it's off to one of those lovely fema camps for you.

They're shit scared because they know the shit is going to hit the fan. They will want to take out the biggest threats to their own security as quickly as possible when it does.

The gathering of info on everything everyone does when online and doing other things such as making a call, taking money out from an ATM, just going from place to place if you have a smartphone, is very easy and straightforward. The recording of info been going on since networked computers appeared. Who has access to it and how long they keep it for is the issue.

The gov't store and use all that recorded info when they need to.

silverwhere
Sep 28, 2013 - 3:24pm

Bart = GMAC Chair

Bart probably isn’t going anywhere but if he chooses to resign it might be to enjoy a big fat Federal pension maybe? After all, he had the last 5 wonderful silver years to top up his senior management premiums.

The above is just a guess. I don’t know Bart & certainly don’t know if he’s going to drink from the guv fiat gravy boat till his dying days via a pension intravenous but it’s usually all about the pension for aging civil servants.

[ Petition: started filling in the prerequisites then abandoned ship before submitting my name for human sacrifice onto Amerika’s altar. Will give this some more thought before proceeding. Did email Eric thanking him for his effort though ].

Now the reason I’m thinking Bart will hang around is this next sentence (from wiki).

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“In July 2013, Chilton replaced outgoing Commissioner Jill Sommers as Chair of the Global Markets Advisory Committee (GMAC)”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_Chilton

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Want a good laugh? Here you go:

The Global Markets Advisory Committee [GMAC] was created in 1998 to advise the Commission on issues that affect the integrity and competitiveness of U.S. markets and U.S. firms engaged in global business.

CFTC Commissioner Bart Chilton chairs the Global Markets Advisory Committee. Members include industry professionals, representatives of futures exchanges, and market participants.

Committee Charter (PDF)
Members
Meetings

https://www.cftc.gov/About/CFTCCommittees/GlobalMarketsAdvisory/index.htm

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DayStar
Sep 28, 2013 - 3:24pm

Harvey's Up!

  • SilverDoctors: the National Bank of Panama announced that it was suspending all services until Tuesday the 1st of October. It is NOT NORMAL for the national bank to shut down for 5 days without warning on an end-of-the-month payday weekend. This incident is a harginger for the future that is for sure. It is my guess that nothing is going to come of this banking holiday. It is a set up. Get the people used to it. Make it seem normal, like a power outage or a water outage. Then, when the big bank holiday needs to happen no one would be the wizer.
  • Harvey: The open interest on the entire gold Comex contracts fell by a whopping 8,816 contracts to a multi year low of 367,662. At this low level of open interest, it will almost be impossible for the crooks to fleece any more longs from the tree. It is also strange that the paper players pitched their long contracts as they refused to roll into December where the cost to roll is negligible.
  • GoldCore: The misguided speculation regarding Fed tapering has begun again. A Bloomberg survey of 41 economists last week showed 24 expect the Fed will pare ‘stimulus’ in December. None of these same economists predicted that the Fed would not taper last week and their views on tapering should be taken with a pinch of salt. As we have long contended, QE is set to continue for the foreseeable future as a discontinuation of QE would lead to market declines or worse and a serious recession or depression.
  • Bloomberg: The outlook for gold is positive due to the twin risks of continued ultra-loose monetary policies as seen in the lack of tapering and also due to forthcoming risks regarding the U.S. debt ceiling. They may resolve the debt ceiling, but how they resolve it is most likely to kick the can down the road. People may buy gold as a safe haven.
  • Bloomberg: Concerns about systemic risk and currency debasement is leading to continuing robust central bank demand for gold. The IMF data released Wednesday showed that eight central banks increased their gold reserves in August, some very significantly. Sovereign wealth funds, like SOFAZ in Azerbaijan, are also buying significant amounts of gold. The continuation of ultra loose monetary policies by the U.S. Federal Reserve and the other major central banks will lead to continuing diversification into gold by prudent money internationally. This will lead to gold reaching a real (inflation adjusted) high above $2,400/oz in the coming years.
  • John Hathaway: We asked the CFTC for trading information in the gold market going back one year, and the CFTC said they just won’t release it. I’m not going to give up. I’m interested in bursts of suspicious trading in the gold market. Thursday we had 20,000 contracts in 5 minutes. I want to put together a data base of that type of suspicious trading.
  • John Hathaway on financial distrust: There is growing distrust in the financial markets that takes awy the influence of the financial markets from the physical gold market. The best example of this is the Comex. We’ve seen this tremendous drawdown of Comex inventories, particularly for the JP Morgan account, and particularly for ‘registered gold,’ which has to be delivered upon request when contracts expire. I think we are going to see similar things at the LBMA. We see this tremendous flow of gold from West to East. The Chinese are still paying big premiums. Entities don’t want a paper representation of gold anymore -- they want physical gold. I’m sure there is another crisis out there that we don’t know about.
  • Jesse: As to my thoughts on the Fed, it really doesn’t matter what I think, but the Fed is laying the groundwork for its own demise. They are discrediting themselves, and have also painted themselves into a corner. The notion that an all-wise and selfless group of technocrats can wield such enormous power, while operating in secrecy and by their own judgement, is a romantic myth. Eventually they make mistakes, and seek to cover up those mistakes, and make even more mistakes in the process. Greenspan was like a slow poison for the Fed, but even if he had not been the chairman in service of the political interests for far too long, I am afraid that the Fed would have probably died of old age. A system must renew itself every so often, and the leadership of the Fed has not been up to that challenge. That change must come from outside the Fed which is a creature of the Banks. It will be replaced by something else. What that will be I cannot say.
  • Eric Sprott: I would like to comment on China's immediate prospects. China is now going through a rough time. Not only does it have a new government, but it must contend with a fractious population, inflation, a big housing bubble, as well as debt in both its banking system and in its local governments. Moreover, its economy is very unbalanced, having been driven by both capital spending and exports. Both are now endangered by vast overcapacity in may of the country's industries, a weakening market for its exports, along with rising competition from countries with lower production costs.
  • Zero Hedge: A more detailed look at the Japanese inflation number shows that the entire inflationary surge was due to a spike in food and mostly energy prices as gasoline prices rose to the highest since 2008: core core inflation, that which excludes food and energy) was down 0.1% from July, while September Tokyo core core CPI, a leading inflation indicator, was down a whopping -0.4% in August and -0.3% from a year ago. The reason: salaries in July extended the longest slide since 2010, with regular wages excluding overtime and bonuses falling 0.4 percent from a year earlier, a 14th straight drop. All that Abenomics' cratering of the Yen has succeeded in doing is causing gas and energy prices, and to a lesser extent food, to surge.
  • Greg Hunter: I am here in Missouri, and I have good news to report about the crop situation. It looks like the crops will be pretty good this year. Yields were way down last year, and prices went up because of it. This year, there was a 180 degree turnaround. Many of you asked questions about whether these crops were GMO, and the answer is yes. Nearly all corn and beans have some sort of genetic engineering, such as drought resistant or bug resistant. I am told farmers do not have a choice in planting seed without any GMO. You either plant what they have or you do not plant at all. Farmers have little choice.

All this and more on...

The Harvey Report!

https://www.tfmetalsreport.com/comment/607197#comment-607197

DayStar

Swineflogger
Sep 28, 2013 - 3:36pm

I'm In

#295 (I think . . . that recollection is ten minutes old and that is nine minutes past the ability of my Cerefolin NAC to be memory-effective)

AlienEyes
Sep 28, 2013 - 3:53pm

Want two red circles on your mailbox?

"Cowering in fear is pathetic."

So is standing in the front yard , buck naked, except for an AR-15 and a K-bar on a leather belt....beside a sign that says : FAROUK YOU O'BOZO !

Most of us are already on a "malcontents" list, somewhere. Walking around wearing a white T-shirt with a bull's eye on the back and "I dare you" on the front is at best, ill advised.

If any of us end up in a FEMA coffin, it will more than likely be from ignoring overt acts by the government against its citizens or as a result of failing to realize that the EE, TPTB, banksters and politicians are all one and the same.

PS,

I know it's tapped but keep a hard-wired phone in your home. These almost always work even during power outages. When the crap hits the fan, be advised that the cell phone system WILL be shut down and so will parts of the power grid.

transplanted baby Howard Roark
Sep 28, 2013 - 3:56pm

whacanyado international version

I agree with H. roark. Buy on the appointed day.

As for creating a new paradigm- folks we're gonna have to get out of money-strange but true. It is the money system that has hijacked the world. There is a site called catholicredoubt about a new community forming in the States. Nice, but Turd has international appeal. We need something like the redoubt in other mini-turdvilles around the globe. With gold in each of these little communities, we could even conduct worldwide trade- perhaps limiting the use of currency to the current transaction. (however, ideally, we will live much more simply, living off the land, so to speak)

special messsage to bugsy, who thinks Im troubled.

"they are coming to take me away ha ha, they're coming to take me away, ho ho, hee, hee, ha ha, to the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time. "

Oh, so anyway, is this coordinated buy in a global thing?

Teach
Sep 28, 2013 - 3:59pm

More MOPE...

Opinions really are like a**holes. The world is full of both. Latest from Zero Hedge: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-28/guest-post-five-reasons-why-gold-prices-will-decline

I'd be in for 4 tubes of ag maples at the end of October.

woofwoof
Sep 28, 2013 - 4:01pm

@ meegoreng1

@ meegoreng1

The day that the real market (the people) controls the price movement will be a dream come true. I welcome the day when the “hint” of a mass buy-in moves the price $5. When that day comes it won’t matter if you paid $20 or $25 per oz. You’ll be smiling.

ancientmoney
Sep 28, 2013 - 4:28pm

Bart Chilton enjoys his position too much . . .

he gets to play both sides, and pretend he's a bigshot set out to right the wrongs. BS. He is "good cop-bad cop" all in one package to maintain the status quo.

At least Gensler, the ex-GS alum doesn't pretend to be dismayed by the manipulations. He's man enough to know that nothing he does could help break a manipulation if he wanted to--which he doesn't.

Anything other than buying phyzz silver, continuously, until they have none left will make a difference. The old saying, put your money where your mouth is, comes to mind.

Bollocks
Sep 28, 2013 - 4:36pm

Damn fine 2nd half...

Max speaks to UK MP George Galloway about his upcoming film documentary "The killing of Tony Blair" (I am a supporter), about crowd-funding his bid to become Mayor of London (I'll be a supporter) and about crowd-funding MP's to get their voices heard, rather than via the usual corporations where the people never get a say.

Hey, crowd-funding Bart Chilton's legal expenses might work if he dares to go public about what he knows. This may be the start of something .

Check out the interview... (starts 12.15)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQX2sk1CyL4

(the first half is good too, if you have the time)

Bollocks
Sep 28, 2013 - 4:43pm

AHA!

Lars Schall and Rob Kirby discuss the CFTC decision.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-GdH2ABlZY

SteveW
Sep 28, 2013 - 4:53pm

I have nothing to lose

but I will not be signing.

Grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

Reinhold Niebuhr

Besides I am uncomfortable suggesting to someone that their wife have a car accident.

ggnewmex
Sep 28, 2013 - 5:03pm

Why Not

327.

Bart always wanted to be the "good cop". Why not see if he indeed is?

SilverSurfers
Sep 28, 2013 - 5:19pm

Pet, ing

Has Eric King signed the petition? Has Gregg Hunter? Has Eric Sprott, Embry and Rule? Has Sinclair? ..... just asking

SilveryBlue
Sep 28, 2013 - 5:22pm

Secrecy and Lies are their greatest weapons

They are afraid that the majority of people can overwhelm/stop them if they get angry enough. Hence the secrecy and lies to cover what they are really up to - It's buying them time to get in place.

I see no downside to signing the petition. When TSHTF it going to be on either their preferred timeline or ours.

Theirs will no doubt be a horrible surprise for the people who haven't been watching & still have no clue. I think it is close because they are getting more outrageous in their excesses and sloppy with their lies. It doesn't hurt that there is worldwide scrutiny thanks to the internet.

Our timeline requires more & more angry people watching & waiting for the slip ups and objecting. Not sure I would pick Oct 31 as the Go date though. Just sayin. I think I will go for a day early before the price gets pushed up by you lot.

BC may not have a legal position given who the perps are. But he may have sufficient angst over what has gone down to try alternative avenues if he knows how many of us are aware & supporting. The more publicity for this the better. Financial crime and abuse of power will not trigger culture shock or normalcy bias in the man in the street. Not nowadays.

As for getting unwanted attention from signing - meh. You are harder to pick out in a crowd & not worth the bother unless you are EFFECTIVE. That is still a long shot IMHO

SilveryBlue
Sep 28, 2013 - 5:36pm

@SteveW

Car accident? Where did you see that?

Edit 345

Terabyte SilverSurfers
Sep 28, 2013 - 5:40pm

Have they not signed it?

So what?

I don't typically do something just because some big shot did.

Occasnltrvlr
Sep 28, 2013 - 6:27pm

I'm Convinced...

...It will do no good at all. But, "whaddayagottalose?"

I saw the required fields, and I balked. But, I took inspiration from Ann Barnhardt.

#363

silver foil hat woofwoof
Sep 28, 2013 - 6:33pm

@woofwoof

I refuse to participate in such an orchestrated attempt of manipulation.

That being said, that JUST HAPPENED to be the date I chose AT RANDOM to buy more phyzz silver next month.

WHAT ARE THE ODDS?

(O.K., 1:31, yeah I know).

It will be safely stored in my island lake house. (We'll call that foreshadowing......)

Now, what are the odds the next attempt will be the same day I chose again?

If I was a bettin' I'd be a bettin they'd be about 1:1.

sfh

cc: NSA

Bollocks
Sep 28, 2013 - 6:35pm

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Occasnltrvlr
Sep 28, 2013 - 6:38pm
realitybiter
Sep 28, 2013 - 6:39pm

Coward comment

1) Okay, I get your point. I still feel that if you want to sign, but feel it will make you vulnerable is silly and an unwarranted fear. Who knows? Maybe this whole NSA discussion is just a well orchestrated plot to silence everyone, fearing reprisal. I don't think we are so far gone that political opposition is pointless - yet. If we are, then it is pointless to remain in the US. 2) If you think it is pointless, I appreciate that. Sophie Scholl did her best to stop the Nazi's in 1943, passing out information on the Nazi horrors. She was caught, arrested, tried, beheaded. Basically, they had repealed the equivalent of free speech and she was deemed a "terrorist". Her actions accomplished nothing -other than to give us some historical insight. I reflect on her outcome and appreciate the" just get the hell out of the way" strategy. The Nazi's never changed until total collapse - from an outside force. All those that fought them internally were killed. 3) I honestly think there are too many opposing hands on the US steering wheel to change course, effectively. Things will only change post collapse. Pre collapse, TPTB will never change because it is not in their interest. Therefore, we are forced to either leave and avoid it all together, or try to avoid damage. Financially, it seems likely that outside forces will force the dollar's hand. After further thought, I agree, signing the petition is pointless. Hope springs eternal, and likely futile.

flyinkel
Sep 28, 2013 - 6:41pm

Do as your heart desires

My rec has absolutely nothing to do with cowardice or fear. It has everything to do with maximizing individual potential and "bang for your buck". Good luck in your efforts.

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