How Good Intentions go Wrong

Sun, Sep 15, 2013 - 7:35am
You decide (well not you, but someone you know) to give $100 to the kid who can produce the best business plan for a lemonade stand. So all the neighbourhood kids go off and make business plans, and come back and present them, and your neighbour gives $100 to the kid with the best plan.
Great. All the kids thought about how to run a business, etc., etc. and the best kid won. Healthy competition and they weren’t just wasting their time.
At this level, it really is great. I think....
But for the kids who didn’t get the money, maybe their time would have and could have been better spent than competing for free money. The generous impulse certainly does not scale. When you raise the example up to a government level, where say the City is looking to do some putative good by giving out a grant, and they have a selection process, to make sure it is fair, the people who apply will put more and more effort into the application process, until they spend just under what the grant is worth. And all these people are all bidding for the same little piece of old pie, instead of being out there baking new pies.
It gets much worse as the amounts of money on offer get larger. If a subsidy or grant is worth $100K a year, for 10 years, it is worth spending a considerable amount of money to land it. Money spend legally or illegally - the moral hazard side is another layer of the onion. For example, one can wonder how much being governor of New Jersey was worth to Monsieur Corzine, who apparently spent $100 million of his own bucks to land the “job”. And one can save for later deciding just how many deviant labels we can apply in attempting to understand how he can look in the mirror each day. (Maybe there is no reflection?)
Back to the economics. So a firm decides to spend at least $100K to land a million dollar government grant, let’s say. How many firms will bid for that big a grant? As the numbers get larger and larger, more and more people will bid and be willing to spend more and more money on the fancier and fancier presentations and bribes in their attempt to win the grant. And the fairer and more demanding the selection process becomes, ironically, the more money will be spent trying to get the money. So each firm will spend a little more, until we are up to a bunch of firms spending $99,999 to try to get $100,000. And the entire effort will all be wasted, except for one company. But they too will have spent almost the amount of the grant to win it.
We can extend this model, unfortunately, to politics. And this is actually what reminded me of that economic lesson about the perils of giving out free money, even for a good cause. (No wonder Austrian economics is so hard to make popular!)
Why, we ask, did so many people support such and such a politician? Let’s call him Carpe Deum for a Day. Well, before Carpe gets elected, he has the potential to help an awful lot of people. They are the ones bidding for the grant, be it money, favours, or power, and he is the one who will give it out. An incredible amount of money is spent trying to get one’s own man elected, but once he is elected, he ceases to be a potential giver out of grants and favours and power, as he has mostly given them out; shot his bolt, so to speak.
For every failed green energy company, to pick an example at random, Carpe funded, there were hundreds who bid to be that failed company. And who tried to get the guy elected who would fund their line of business, and of course, changed their line of business so it would be sexy and help Carpe get elected if he was seen to be supporting them. In Northland, where elected people give out ship-building contracts, or might think the economy is fueled by military procurement, for example, the supporters of Carpe North are different, but similarly motivated. But once elected, again, only a few can be satisfied. The rest have wasted their time and money.
In business, they go slowly bankrupt as more and more of their resources go into bidding for free money, and it always appears sensible to spend $99 to get $100, so the maximum amount of money will in fact be wasted, logically.
In politics you get a disgruntled group of supporters who now feel duped. And they were. And then the back-stabbing begins as they begin the hunt for the next Carpe who they will attempt to put forward as he will surely reward them this time.
And so much of it goes into glossy presentations presented in glossy office buildings by glossy people with glossy cars that it helps fuel growth in all the wrong directions. It is an appalling waste of human potential.
So from thinking wouldn’t it be nice to reward the most deserving with x amount of money, and strangely worse, creating a competition to guarantee the selection process is fair, one actually create a bidding war for that free money that will mostly likely more than offset the good one was intending to do. What is a bad idea economically, is much worse politically. For when we create a bidding war for a politicians favours, we have surely found a waste of time and money that is also extremely attractive to a rapacious segment of society, hazardous to one’s moral compass, and generates bitter, disgruntled factions. What could go wrong?

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Sep 15, 2013 - 8:05am

The monetary value of control

The monetary value of control !

Well maybe the Swiss have got it right by reducing both length of tenure, and absolute power of those actually elected to positions of control.

Step forward the leader who will promote political reform. But we may not see support for such a person until after the masses have endured personal damage and pain for a greater degree and a longer time. The Fourth Turning's thesis certainly suggests that great tumult is required to bring grandchildren to take on the mindset of the grandparents, as regards these matters.

Gold Dog
Sep 15, 2013 - 8:05am

Just had to!


Good morning all! Think it's time to see what our favorite pirate has to say. (Edit to follow.)

Someone could make a lot of money writing software that tells us two finger typers when we have put the caps lock on!

EDIT- Instead of walking the dog, who is currently snoring after inhaling her breakfast I will play Devil's advocate.

I agree that the expense of free money frequently, in the aggregate, exceeds the actual free money being granted, what would be a better system?

Here in Illinois we have seen the abuses on a grand scale, we currently have two Governors in prison. I am 58 and in my lifetime there have only been two that were slippery enough not to end up in the clink. Yet we seem unable to find a better way to cut the melon up sans graft.

Your friend,


PS- Now that Hawkey is about to start, here is a little sumthin sumthin for our friends in the North to contemplate!

Patrick Kane Stickhandling -- VAPOR APX2 Stick
Sep 15, 2013 - 8:11am

Dog,  moved  here in 98 from

Dog, moved here in 98 from Cinti. Politics in this state are unbelievable. When ex governors are the butt of late night jokes for their prison terms it is a sad state of affairs. Kane is a great player. Do you think Toews changed dramatically after his concussion?? It looks to me like he wasn't the same player after his comeback. Itching for hockey season. Family in Alberta in the great white north, and hockey is in my blood as well as love for winter. Good luck with the weather today at the BMW.

Gold Dog
Sep 15, 2013 - 8:13am


Having had a parade of kids through here over the last couple of decades I find that the twenty-somethings are pretty pissed off about things in general and gubbmint in particular. All of this touchy feely crap they learned in school may be backfiring, they seem to possess a fierce sense of fairness.

And not in the commie way either, all most of them want is a fair shake. Like religion, we appear to get our politics from our parents and I have seen sons and daughters of friends I know are far lefties come to my home and sound like Reagan and both Pauls.

Could be a change cometh.



Sep 15, 2013 - 8:22am

I think the problem, as so often, lies in scale

Small systems can reduce the unintended consequences much more easily, and can also usually deal fairly well with the problem of people who cannot contribute their full share for whatever reason, mental or physical. Just as one is pretty much running a communist camp in a nuclear family, with Dad as Stalin, Mum and Dad as the Politburo, and the kids as the great unwashed, it doesn't work well when the numbers go up.

As to slicing the melon - indeed. a tricky problem. An extra level of difficulty that was brought up in conversation the other day is that once a big contract has been announced, the losers will do everything in their power to undermine the situation, hoping to drag things out until a different government is elected. I remember visiting Freeport years after a hurricane had flattened their big casino and golf course. The golf course looked perfect, but the hotel complex was still closed, and the nearby market was almost abandoned. It turned out that one government had struck a deal with some financial types to redo the whole shebang, but then they got thrown out in the next election and the new guys had other people that they wanted to "work" with, so the project was on hold. Meanwhile most of the regular inhabitants had moved to Lucaya, where there was a huge and hideous hotel complex that was build during that previous regime.

sierra skier
Sep 15, 2013 - 8:22am

Promoting Business Ideas

That would be a wonderful learning experience for the kids.

Moving this idea to our politicians and business leaders it is incredible how much is spent trying to win office. Why does someone spend a Billion dollars to win the presidency when the salary is only in the $400,000 range. For businesses to put so much cash into many campaigns for such a small amount of return does indicate there is much more at stake.

The bottom line is that the politicians get the office and power to distribute value, the businesses get the favors and the taxpayer gets the shaft.


Gold Dog
Sep 15, 2013 - 8:36am

Toews will be fine... frequently takes a year to get back to normal after a major bell-ringing. I am sure that he is skating every day and reconnecting those wires that got loosened up a bit.

XTY- It's always about the money/power......must be in our DNA. Sad.

Looking at the weather forecast I wonder if they will get today's round in, if they do things could get wild. High of 61F and rain all day. (Just got a text from my buddy, says he will throw himself on the grenade and be first in the box so we can have front row inside.) It's who you know!

"All men are dogs and mine is the doggiest"- Mrs. Nina M., good friends of my parents.



القراع عصفور
Sep 15, 2013 - 8:40am

no easy solution

but Argentus is right that term limits would limit the damage.

i know of professional grant writers - what i mean is that firms actually hire staff whose sole purpose is to apply for grant money. it is big business, and is so wasteful in every way.

interesting subject today. thanks Xty!

Sep 15, 2013 - 8:51am

Japan to be nuclear-free as last reactor switched off

TOKYO: Japan today began switching off its last operating nuclear reactor for an inspection, with no date scheduled for a restart amid strong public hostility towards atomic power. The move will leave the world's third largest economy without atomic energy for the second time since the Fukushima nuclear crisis erupted in March 2011. Nuclear power supplied about one-third of the resource-poor nation's electricity before a tsunami knocked out cooling systems and sparked meltdowns at Fukushima, causing tens of thousands to flee their homes. Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has openly supported a return to the widespread use of atomic energy, but the public remains largely opposed on safety grounds. Kansai Electric Power (KEPCO) today started gradually to take offline the No. 4 reactor at its Oi nuclear plant in the western prefecture of Fukui. "The work started at 4:40pm (0740 GMT)," said a company spokesman. "The reactor will come to a complete stop early tomorrow (Monday)."

Sep 15, 2013 - 8:56am

Writing grant applications is big business

absolutely. It was a key skill on a resume of a relation of mine. I remember being shocked. But there is barely a business in Canada that doesn't compete for public money one way or another.

Being asked to comment on a big picture business scenario fairly recently I remember hubby's total frustration that people couldn't understand that seeking free money was why that sector was not competitive. Not a popular business sentiment. And the competition by different levels of government to get businesses to locate within their domain drives a lot of tax unfairness. A strange flip side of the coin, competing to give out free money.

I Run Bartertown
Sep 15, 2013 - 9:02am


Not in my house.

Sep 15, 2013 - 9:31am


Nice try - but I didn't censor you. You did that yourself - I don't shout in bold. But thank you, it was inappropriate to post that here now, and I appreciate your removing it.

edit to add: IRB's post is spammed on the survival thread, if you want to see what game he is trying to play.

Sep 15, 2013 - 10:29am

It might take some time, but I'll do it on my own

Wide Mouth Mason - Corn Rows

But I sleep at night time and I can't understand how you ever did.

Sep 15, 2013 - 10:36am
Mr. Fix
Sep 15, 2013 - 10:37am

Redistribution schemes are immoral.

There is no analogy between the lemonade stand, and what a politician does.

The $100 gift was freely given by an individual to promote children being enterprising.

The money that a politician gives out in the form of contracts has been stolen from the populace.

They did not have a say in who gets the money, or what it is for. The first act in the process is theft.

Unless you want to go back to the campaign speeches, where the promises are made, and that is invariably fraud.

The reason your entire concept cannot be scaled up, is as soon as you change the equation from a truly charitable donation, to a redistribution of wealth, only the scale of the crime changes, the fact that it is completely immoral does not.

Since government can only survive on theft from its producers, and fraud as for how they spend it,

the entire concept of a government redistribution program is evil to the core.

Since we only attempt to address these problems by term limits, or which colored team to vote for,

without ever even looking at the fact that the entire concept is legalized theft, nothing changes.

Sep 15, 2013 - 10:48am

Take down of the BRICS

Interesting article on how the West is taking down the Brics. With the Whistle Blower news, perhaps there will not be one more take down.

Alert: Petro-Dollar Survival: BRICS, Syria, Russia, Europe and the Recent Metals Beat Down

Sep 15, 2013 - 10:51am

re charts

Orange, that link didn't work for me.

re all taxation is theft. I disagree. Some taxation is voluntary, and some people think it is a good idea to pool their resources to arrange for things like garbage collection, and even schools. I do not think the concept of government is evil - I think it is a necessary reaction to social chaos and even in the post-collapse schemes you discuss you talk of courts and all sorts of things. You just think it will all be voluntary because you think you will agree with your like-minded gulch folk. But you will need rules and ways to enforce those rules and that will out of necessity involve a collective action.

Btw, it is not my idea. It is an interesting economic problem.

Big L
Sep 15, 2013 - 10:55am


Thanks for making my point. Glad you beat me to it...... Hat tip.

القراع عصفور
Sep 15, 2013 - 10:56am

i must be incredibly stupid

to not have seen the obvious. of course the analogy stinks. there are no anologies. it is a false paradigm. the world is black and white. all we need to do is think in this manner and we will no longer even need a government. the solution has been right before our very eyes all along.

thank you. i will go now. my world finally makes sense.

oops - almost forgot this...

Sep 15, 2013 - 11:01am

Okay, so is this the debate?

All government is immoral.

I will be arguing for the opposition.

Big L
Sep 15, 2013 - 11:04am


The problem is that governments don't have any incentive to succeed.

True success is a long term proposition. Governments generally only think as far as the next election.

And they generally aren't really good thinkers.

And they occasionally attract the wrong 'sort', ala 'Corzine' et al.

I really don't think it's a problem of scale, it's a problem that we only notice when it gets to large scale. The same dynamics are present at smaller scales, human beings, being what we are.......

Big L
Sep 15, 2013 - 11:08am

Human beings are immoral

Once we accept that and keep a very close eye on the politicians, government can work quite well.

Until then, well, Good luck......

Our problem is we took our eyes off the ball for so long the immoral took over the government. :-)

Sep 15, 2013 - 11:10am

But the answer isn't no government at all

Using language loosely creates all sorts of problems, and 'government' is a good case in point. People choose to organize themselves beyond the family group, in order to achieve certain common goals. This is what I mean by government. Do you think this is a bad idea? I want to break this argument down into manageable pieces, not just the usual dismissal of the entire concept. I agree that government is madly out of control in most places, and that fractional fiat currency is at the core of the problem. But I do not agree that all taxation is theft. What do you think about that statement, and my above question about whether we can agree that some sort of government is a good idea?

Mr. Fix
Sep 15, 2013 - 11:12am

You've made an interesting distinction, but......

The whole concept of a “voluntary tax”, is in fact a simple business transaction. People voluntarily pay money for a service rendered. I have no problem with that, it is just and moral in every way.

When taxes are levied without the consent of the populace, it is theft, pure and simple.

Taxes are not voluntary, taxes will be taken from you under threat of imprisonment, or loss of personal property.

There is no moral justification for this whatsoever.

And to even argue that it is a “necessary evil” is not only wrong, but you are still arguing for evil.

What part of “thou shall not lie”, or, “thou shall not steal”, did you miss in the 10 Commandments?

Did God carve out an exception for government?

Sep 15, 2013 - 11:16am

I don't think it is a necessary evil, I think it is a good idea

to have some collection of resources to help provide security for a region, for example. That one will never achieve %100 agreement about something is not a good reason to do nothing.

edit to add: speaking of using language loosely, please do not try to misrepresent my writing, You spoke of necessary evils, and then accused me of defending evil. I am very attentive to language and twisting my words is getting tiresome.

Mr. Fix
Sep 15, 2013 - 11:25am

this debate might be circular, until terms are defined.

If you, and I mean you as in Xty volunteer to pay taxes, and think that it is necessary, regardless of whether or not you agree with how that money is spent, then by definition, it is not theft, you have voluntarily thrown your hard-earned money down the black hole known as government waste. I could just find a few other choice terms to describe this action, but in the interest of civility I will refrain.

When taxes are taken from me, it is against my will, I have no say in how it is spent, and I know full well that these resources could have been put to better use if it had never left my pocket in the first place.

To me, that is stealing my money, stealing the time I spent working for it, stealing the resources I have to feed my own family, and giving it to those who have neither earned it or deserve it.

I wish I could participate in this debate a little longer, but I have family coming in from out of state,

and we are to meet at a local restaurant for a Sunday brunch.

At least this will be a very interesting thread when I return, as I will have much more to say on the topic.

Sep 15, 2013 - 11:27am


I tried both links and they worked for me. Now have to get back to gardening.

Wait for 6 pm when I hope to see a hot diggitty dog moment

Sep 15, 2013 - 11:34am

Try to see how many government services you use

while you are out. Driving to the restaurant? Drinking potable water? Garbage being removed? Things mostly not being stolen or smashed?

It is unfortunate that you insist on speaking in absolutes. There are many things I approve of in government and many more that I disapprove of. But it is far from an all or nothing thing. Some of my tax dollars are well spent. Not many, but some. And that is something that needs defending. For example, while I dislike and have worked to alter, government curriculum, I do believe in public education. Not all people have equal opportunities, and that is something that I think should be addressed. I do not believe in equal outcomes, but I do believe in attempting to help people that I see as disadvantaged. And sometimes that can be effected well through public institutions and sometimes through private.

Bongo Jim
Sep 15, 2013 - 11:37am

I'll pay for what I use.

"re all taxation is theft. I disagree. Some taxation is voluntary, and some people think it is a good idea to pool their resources to arrange for things like garbage collection, and even schools. "

In a word, NO. I pay for my garbage pick up, that which isn't turned to compost, burned or used in a different way. Why in the world should someone without children pay for the schooling of someone else's children? All I ever hear is "the greater good." What BS. Schooling should be paid by those with children, not taxes on property...which is not voluntary here. Here in the Socialist Republic of Kalifornia, we pay for the education of Mexico. I know, it's all for "the children" and "the future."

Big L
Sep 15, 2013 - 11:42am

redistribution is evil

Not the government necessarily, and not taxes necessarily. The problem is giving people (either the government or the general population) the right to benefit themselves by taking money (taxes) away from other people and using the power of the government to force that action.

Self benefit at the hands of the government, at any level, local or national or international is immoral.

Interest groups use the government to benefit themselves - for example the green movement - because those groups see a cost effective means of instituting their agendas.

In other words, it's easier and cheaper to force us all to pay a small part in bringing about their desired result, and they use the government to achieve those goals.

Maybe popular - for certain segments, but also immoral. And pernicious to boot, as we're all about to find out.


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