Big Thinkers: Orlov's Book and Current Events - Part 1

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Thu, Sep 5, 2013 - 12:47am
The Sky is Falling! Or is it?
Dmitry Orlov’s 2013 book “The Five Stages of Collapse – Survivors’ Toolkit” is required reading. I do not say that lightly. It is a must read; do not delay. It is here:
and there are reviews posted for those inclined. I am not doing a book review. I am trying to pin down a realistic time-line, and the markers of same, in order that we all can prepare accordingly. Nothing I have read to date is as well analyzed, or presented, so for that, I am in awe. But, naturally, I have my own thoughts as to the reality that all five stages of collapse actually occur. So, this is Part I. Part II will be next Wednesday, as it all should make more sense as the Syrian situation unfolds.
From the introduction of the book through the afterward, the book is mesmerizing both in its insightful analysis, and its use of examples. It is full of humor, too. While I quarrel with the constant references to global warming–I am not a believer in that theory at all–the book is simply astonishing for its clear, yet compelling, observations. Oh, did I mention that Mr. Orlov was born in Russia, having moved to the United States as a teenager? Or that Mr. Orlov is an engineer with skills in many fields including high energy physics research, e-commerce and Internet security? Or that Mr. Orlov traveled back and forth to Russia repeatedly to observe the Soviet collapse during the late 80s and mid 90s?
All of these facts cement his credentials for me, and makes this book such a compelling read. I find it extremely important that we examine Mr. Orlov’s prism through which he views the world, because he alone seems to have the unique insight to have synthesized a world view based on personal experience as well as his education and obvious intellect. One can quarrel with his conclusions, but they are based on solid facts and experiences completely foreign to me that is for sure. Hence, I absorbed the book in rapt fascination, and I now look at the world events with a nod to the possibilities that Orlov’s predictions are accurate.
Mr. Orlov was born in Russia during the Cold War era. It is fascinating to think that he then left Russia and moved to the United States, where he then got to play video games, listen to Western pop-culture music and watch Hollywood movies. Certainly he had a taste of hard living in Russia, compared to the easy life in the United States. This had to have played a huge influence upon young Orlov.
Then, as the communist experiment began its death spasms, Mr. Orlov’s family and friends and he himself were there to witness them all to include the collapse. Personally, I remember being in an airport in Alabama at the time watching CNN showing images of the Soviet Union collapse on the video monitor. It was unbelievable, shocking–I was a former soldier, inculcated to hate the evil empire, they were the enemy dammit!; yet, my plane still showed up and left on time and I got to my destination. No one seemed to mind, or notice, and life just went on.
So, it’s not like the collapse of the fiat system in general and perhaps the USA in particular will be any life altering universe changing occurrence, although it will probably feel like that to many who are directly, initially affected. No, what Mr. Orlov writes about is a steady progression of a decaying, deteriorating, behemoth of a system, which announces its deterioration in measurable, meaningful ways. It is no mystery, nor should it be.
Anything which by definition that is unsustainable will come to an end. There is no sane person presently arguing that the current fiat system is sustainable. So, the fiat system will end, and the question then becomes what will it look like when it does start to end? Can the eventual collapse be stopped mid stream, like a magic stick save? How will we know the collapse is upon us? If the collapse is gradual, then how long will it take? What should we expect, at any given point in time, then, along the collapse continuum?
Mr. Orlov provides all the tools to reach conclusions and answers for all of these questions in detail and with examples from history. He adroitly describes an orderly process marked by five discrete stages of collapse, not all of which necessarily must occur, but which stages will occur in progressive fashion should efforts not be made to stave off the final, ruinous, back to the Stone Age collapse.
Those five stages are, in order, (1) Financial Collapse; (2) Commercial Collapse; (3) Political Collapse; (4) Social Collapse, and finally, (5) Cultural Collapse.
Without taking too much time to restate history, we all pretty much know that the financial collapse is occurring as we speak, with the first hint and outward manifestation of financial collapse occurring in 2008 and continuing ever since. Here is what Orlov says about Stage 1, the Financial Collapse: “Faith in business as usual is lost. The future is no longer assumed to resemble the past in any way that allows risk to be assessed and financial assets to be guaranteed. Financial institutions become insolvent; savings are wiped out and access to capital is lost.” [p.14].
At this point, I firmly believe that the financial collapse is ongoing just as described, and accelerating. Understand that the process of the ongoing deterioration of the system is a gradual marginal process, and that there is no definitive point in time when there is at one moment a blissful, peaceful feeling that everything is perfectly fine, and then at the next moment there is sudden chaos and anarchy with rioting in the streets and images of roving bands of thugs streaming across our televisions. Instead, the financial collapse will continue its progress marginally, inexorably, step-by-step until such time as there is a commercial collapse. This is a completely different viewpoint I had when I first came to tfmr. I initially felt that collapse was IMMINENT!! Grab the weapons, food, water and gold/silver, time to bug out!
Well, I was dead wrong. Stupidly so. But how could I have been so misguided? Was it gullibility? Madison Avenue marketing? Human nature normalcy bias?
Whatever. Only now, I see things in a different, more analytical light, thanks to Mr. Orlov’s writings. Make no mistake, though. It is crystal clear that the Financial Collapse is ongoing, right now, leading soon enough I believe, though gradually to Stage 2, Commercial Collapse.
Understand that Santa told everyone to get out of the financial system. Cyprus banks initiated the bail-in. The ground work has been laid out. It is all legal and all the details worked out. Plenty has been written about the pending stealing of funds on deposit at banks, retirement accounts, name it. Look at what is happening in Argentina. If those Argentinian bond holders are stiffed, then that supposedly valuable New York paper is not so valuable now, is it? All of this is coming to pass as predicted, and the signs are obvious to anyone who wants to look.
The fiat system is broken. Risk assessment is now based on predicting the words of the Fed bankster in charge, then front run on huge computers to shear the sheep of fractions of pennies. The worlds’ unregulated derivatives dwarf the world GDP. A small hiccup will destroy the entire scheme, overnight. We are there.
This leads us to Stage 2, the Commercial Collapse. Orlov says this: “Faith that the market shall provide is lost. Money is devalued and or becomes scarce, commodities are hoarded, import and retail chains break down in widespread shortages of survival necessities become the norm.” [p.14].
It sure does not look like this Stage yet to me, but it sure seems damn close, too. But, by looking closely, the Syrian situation is telegraphing the proximity of when this Stage will occur. Many, many commentators have weighed in about Syria, and how the whole military situation, the bombing, the invasion, the troops really point in one direction;
The US President, a laughing stock, says at one moment that Syria crossed a red line, but now tries to wiggle out from under his own words, like a hack criminal defense attorney arguing for leniency for his recidivist client. The Syrian distraction is just that, a ruse. The real reason, they say, is resources, namely, gas pipelines to feed the industrialized world in general, and to perpetuate the governing structures of some middle east countries. So does this not seem to point towards the imminent arrival of Stage 2? Soon enough we will know.
Believe what you want to believe, but the next Stage, Commercial Collapse, knowing it is upon us, preparing do deal with it and live through it, is damn important to survival of us regular folks that is for sure. It is also after this Stage that I believe that a concerted effort to become politically active and strive for limited government will have the biggest effects.
So, for now, I leave you with this Part I and invite comments, criticisms, and the like. Try to focus on Orlov’s definitions of the first two Stages.
Next week I will dig into Stages 3-5, and evaluate details as well as strategies for rising up and making a difference for Stage 3. I would not be doing all this analysis if I did not believe that there is a possibility for real reform during Stage 3. So, I am not totally a doomsday believer I once was, but things sure look grim, so don’t let up on the preparation effort that is for sure.

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Howard Roark
Sep 5, 2013 - 4:40pm

10UST

Well, with the 3% mark I guess the money will start rotating, right? And can´t some of it come to PM´s?

Something has to give!

The others Treasures (Germany, Italy, Spain et al) are up a lot! Germany and UK up almost 5% (to 2,2% 2,8% respectively!).

Maybe a simple but potent speech from a russian or chinese official at G20 about Syria or (better!!!) a new world currency arrangement is all that is needed. We can only wish.

Keep strong,

HR

Fade2Black
Sep 5, 2013 - 4:58pm

XTY ref: from the bottom of the last thread

well I wasn't going to comment on this thread derailment

Submitted by Xty on September 5, 2013 - 4:46am. Hat Tip! 5

but now that Dynamo has turned it into a let's insult the wimmin for giving a shit about what people say and how they say it, I would like to point out that two wimmin in the last few pages have actually commented on the topic and haven't just garnered a bunch of hat-tips by making even stupider, all-encompassing, dump statements that take hyperbole to a new level.

How's this for hyperbole:

All Americans think everything is all about Americans.

You hate having been an empire of evil, but dare to suggest you stop striding around on the earth like you owned the place and you get super defensive.

And is every thread on main going to be just a question of who can post the most outrageous, unsubstantiated, claim?

Sorry but this is childish.


" And is every thread on main going to be just a question of who can post the most outrageous, unsubstantiated, claim?"

Perhaps you should refrain from reading comments down here in the "Ghetto" . Stick to the vault where apparently the comments are much more enriching and more to your intellect.

Normally I enjoy your comments ... this one just makes you seem... like a ...

And yet here you are in the ghetto again ...

BagOfGold
Sep 5, 2013 - 5:05pm

The sky is falling!...Or is it?...

It's best to check & see...look up & down...then look left & right...just to be sure!!!...

Bag Of Gold

Magpie
Sep 5, 2013 - 5:07pm

And the (drum) beat goes on...

https://downtrend.com/james/three-russian-warships-approaching-syria-chi...

If that’s not enough, Russian news source Telegrafist reported Wednesday that at least one Chinese vessel is en route to the region. However, it appears – at least publicly- China is only there to “observe” the situation, although it’s clearly sending a message for the US to back off.

ancientmoney
Sep 5, 2013 - 5:09pm

Hard hitting words from a top government official of the past:

"The real motive is twofold. The banks are near collapse and the bankers are losing control of events.

‘In earlier times it was easier to control a million people than to kill a million people. Today it is infinitely easier to kill a million people than it is to control them.’ Zbigniew Brzezinski"

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https://vidrebel.wordpress.com/2013/09/05/psychopaths-want-to-attack-syr...

Bollocks
Sep 5, 2013 - 5:20pm

Would someone mind please explaining to me ...

why 3% is such an important figure for the 10y UST? I'm not up on this stuff at all and would appreciate any input . .

Ta!

achmachat
Sep 5, 2013 - 5:36pm

3%

evil and devastating financial mechanisms will be triggered automatically.

Cynicus
Sep 5, 2013 - 5:38pm

10yr ust

Is it possible that the recent rise in rates is a warning shot from bond holders (china and Russia) in much the same way as the us directed the foreign policy of the fading reserve currency during the suez crisis? For me that marked the end of the pound as reserve currency - maybe us policy will be controlled in the same way and American dominance will ebb.

Bollocks
Sep 5, 2013 - 5:44pm

ta achmachat

err ... you sure? automatically? where?

seems to be there already (using DPH's link): https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/bond/TMUBMUSD10Y?countrycode=BX

Having said that, this just came out. Is this what everyone's worried about?

Can't see why, I've ordered a dozen...

Sep 5, 2013 - 5:54pm

I know I should resist, but resistance is useless

Perhaps you should refrain from reading comments down here in the "Ghetto" . Stick to the vault where apparently the comments are much more enriching and more to your intellect.

Normally I enjoy your comments ... this one just makes you seem... like a ...

And yet here you are in the ghetto again ...

Dear Mr/Mrs Fade2Black

Normally you enjoy my comments, but just once I strike a tone you dislike and I am never to darken your, I mean TF's, doorstep again? You warn me off, I fail to vanish ...

Oh my, this girlie wimmin is not so easily shaken. A bit stirred, though, I must admit.

I am ever so sorry to have disappointed you this once, after such an enjoyable relationship. Perhaps you should refrain from reading my comments altogether in the future, to avoid such unfortunate disappointment as I have caused you today.

I will strive in future to be more pleased with the comments I read, but cannot in full faith in any way guarantee your continued satisfaction with my paltry efforts.

Yours sincerely,

Xty

p.s. I have perhaps in the past enjoyed your comments, but must add that this one left me thinking that you seem kind of like a ...

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