Big Thinkers: Orlov's Book and Current Events - Part 1

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Thu, Sep 5, 2013 - 12:47am
The Sky is Falling! Or is it?
Dmitry Orlov’s 2013 book “The Five Stages of Collapse – Survivors’ Toolkit” is required reading. I do not say that lightly. It is a must read; do not delay. It is here:
and there are reviews posted for those inclined. I am not doing a book review. I am trying to pin down a realistic time-line, and the markers of same, in order that we all can prepare accordingly. Nothing I have read to date is as well analyzed, or presented, so for that, I am in awe. But, naturally, I have my own thoughts as to the reality that all five stages of collapse actually occur. So, this is Part I. Part II will be next Wednesday, as it all should make more sense as the Syrian situation unfolds.
From the introduction of the book through the afterward, the book is mesmerizing both in its insightful analysis, and its use of examples. It is full of humor, too. While I quarrel with the constant references to global warming–I am not a believer in that theory at all–the book is simply astonishing for its clear, yet compelling, observations. Oh, did I mention that Mr. Orlov was born in Russia, having moved to the United States as a teenager? Or that Mr. Orlov is an engineer with skills in many fields including high energy physics research, e-commerce and Internet security? Or that Mr. Orlov traveled back and forth to Russia repeatedly to observe the Soviet collapse during the late 80s and mid 90s?
All of these facts cement his credentials for me, and makes this book such a compelling read. I find it extremely important that we examine Mr. Orlov’s prism through which he views the world, because he alone seems to have the unique insight to have synthesized a world view based on personal experience as well as his education and obvious intellect. One can quarrel with his conclusions, but they are based on solid facts and experiences completely foreign to me that is for sure. Hence, I absorbed the book in rapt fascination, and I now look at the world events with a nod to the possibilities that Orlov’s predictions are accurate.
Mr. Orlov was born in Russia during the Cold War era. It is fascinating to think that he then left Russia and moved to the United States, where he then got to play video games, listen to Western pop-culture music and watch Hollywood movies. Certainly he had a taste of hard living in Russia, compared to the easy life in the United States. This had to have played a huge influence upon young Orlov.
Then, as the communist experiment began its death spasms, Mr. Orlov’s family and friends and he himself were there to witness them all to include the collapse. Personally, I remember being in an airport in Alabama at the time watching CNN showing images of the Soviet Union collapse on the video monitor. It was unbelievable, shocking–I was a former soldier, inculcated to hate the evil empire, they were the enemy dammit!; yet, my plane still showed up and left on time and I got to my destination. No one seemed to mind, or notice, and life just went on.
So, it’s not like the collapse of the fiat system in general and perhaps the USA in particular will be any life altering universe changing occurrence, although it will probably feel like that to many who are directly, initially affected. No, what Mr. Orlov writes about is a steady progression of a decaying, deteriorating, behemoth of a system, which announces its deterioration in measurable, meaningful ways. It is no mystery, nor should it be.
Anything which by definition that is unsustainable will come to an end. There is no sane person presently arguing that the current fiat system is sustainable. So, the fiat system will end, and the question then becomes what will it look like when it does start to end? Can the eventual collapse be stopped mid stream, like a magic stick save? How will we know the collapse is upon us? If the collapse is gradual, then how long will it take? What should we expect, at any given point in time, then, along the collapse continuum?
Mr. Orlov provides all the tools to reach conclusions and answers for all of these questions in detail and with examples from history. He adroitly describes an orderly process marked by five discrete stages of collapse, not all of which necessarily must occur, but which stages will occur in progressive fashion should efforts not be made to stave off the final, ruinous, back to the Stone Age collapse.
Those five stages are, in order, (1) Financial Collapse; (2) Commercial Collapse; (3) Political Collapse; (4) Social Collapse, and finally, (5) Cultural Collapse.
Without taking too much time to restate history, we all pretty much know that the financial collapse is occurring as we speak, with the first hint and outward manifestation of financial collapse occurring in 2008 and continuing ever since. Here is what Orlov says about Stage 1, the Financial Collapse: “Faith in business as usual is lost. The future is no longer assumed to resemble the past in any way that allows risk to be assessed and financial assets to be guaranteed. Financial institutions become insolvent; savings are wiped out and access to capital is lost.” [p.14].
At this point, I firmly believe that the financial collapse is ongoing just as described, and accelerating. Understand that the process of the ongoing deterioration of the system is a gradual marginal process, and that there is no definitive point in time when there is at one moment a blissful, peaceful feeling that everything is perfectly fine, and then at the next moment there is sudden chaos and anarchy with rioting in the streets and images of roving bands of thugs streaming across our televisions. Instead, the financial collapse will continue its progress marginally, inexorably, step-by-step until such time as there is a commercial collapse. This is a completely different viewpoint I had when I first came to tfmr. I initially felt that collapse was IMMINENT!! Grab the weapons, food, water and gold/silver, time to bug out!
Well, I was dead wrong. Stupidly so. But how could I have been so misguided? Was it gullibility? Madison Avenue marketing? Human nature normalcy bias?
Whatever. Only now, I see things in a different, more analytical light, thanks to Mr. Orlov’s writings. Make no mistake, though. It is crystal clear that the Financial Collapse is ongoing, right now, leading soon enough I believe, though gradually to Stage 2, Commercial Collapse.
Understand that Santa told everyone to get out of the financial system. Cyprus banks initiated the bail-in. The ground work has been laid out. It is all legal and all the details worked out. Plenty has been written about the pending stealing of funds on deposit at banks, retirement accounts, name it. Look at what is happening in Argentina. If those Argentinian bond holders are stiffed, then that supposedly valuable New York paper is not so valuable now, is it? All of this is coming to pass as predicted, and the signs are obvious to anyone who wants to look.
The fiat system is broken. Risk assessment is now based on predicting the words of the Fed bankster in charge, then front run on huge computers to shear the sheep of fractions of pennies. The worlds’ unregulated derivatives dwarf the world GDP. A small hiccup will destroy the entire scheme, overnight. We are there.
This leads us to Stage 2, the Commercial Collapse. Orlov says this: “Faith that the market shall provide is lost. Money is devalued and or becomes scarce, commodities are hoarded, import and retail chains break down in widespread shortages of survival necessities become the norm.” [p.14].
It sure does not look like this Stage yet to me, but it sure seems damn close, too. But, by looking closely, the Syrian situation is telegraphing the proximity of when this Stage will occur. Many, many commentators have weighed in about Syria, and how the whole military situation, the bombing, the invasion, the troops really point in one direction;
The US President, a laughing stock, says at one moment that Syria crossed a red line, but now tries to wiggle out from under his own words, like a hack criminal defense attorney arguing for leniency for his recidivist client. The Syrian distraction is just that, a ruse. The real reason, they say, is resources, namely, gas pipelines to feed the industrialized world in general, and to perpetuate the governing structures of some middle east countries. So does this not seem to point towards the imminent arrival of Stage 2? Soon enough we will know.
Believe what you want to believe, but the next Stage, Commercial Collapse, knowing it is upon us, preparing do deal with it and live through it, is damn important to survival of us regular folks that is for sure. It is also after this Stage that I believe that a concerted effort to become politically active and strive for limited government will have the biggest effects.
So, for now, I leave you with this Part I and invite comments, criticisms, and the like. Try to focus on Orlov’s definitions of the first two Stages.
Next week I will dig into Stages 3-5, and evaluate details as well as strategies for rising up and making a difference for Stage 3. I would not be doing all this analysis if I did not believe that there is a possibility for real reform during Stage 3. So, I am not totally a doomsday believer I once was, but things sure look grim, so don’t let up on the preparation effort that is for sure.

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Stratajema
Sep 5, 2013 - 12:46pm

Why do PM industry pundits scream

...about $3,500 gold when the price can't stay above $1,400 and alleged shortages of physical metal never seem to cause a disconnect from the paper price? Answer: Because both PM bulls and bears are playing you.

The saddest "insight" I've seen from the pundits on KW News and other sources is that the stock market is going to crash real soon but you should buy shares in the miners today! What? Those pimps believe that mining shares will be immune to the unwinding of highly leveraged positions in the stock market. Oh sure, just like in 2008.

That being said, I don't believe that a stock market crash or steep correction is coming this fall. There might be a normal correction of 9 to 10% but that will bring us back to March's price level.

NW VIEW
Sep 5, 2013 - 12:40pm

@ Katie

Thanks for bringing up this timely view. We have not posted this information on the main thread but on the forum "Conspiracy Theories" under Zionism. Jeremiah Jr. has done a great service to inform the readers. See his post #267 and we added to it on post # 271.

We have passed out many of Jonathan Cahn's books around the NW and it has opened many eyes. The best study of coming events on the feasts and their fulfillment is Gavin Finley's site which can be found on the link on #271 listed above. We have studied this view for the last 35 + years and are seeing things come to pass. It is very unfortunate that the church world has been blind to the understanding of the fulfillment of the first four feasts to the exact feast days and the last three will also be fulfilled on their days.

Nick Elway
Sep 5, 2013 - 12:34pm

Jim Sinclair ... GOTS

https://www.jsmineset.com/2013/09/03/the-problem-at-hand-which-must-be-u...

Quote:

Please watch this video carefully. It is accurate with one exception. That exception is the size of the notional value of OTC derivates outstanding. The size quoted therein is but 1/2 of the real size.

Video unavailable

The FDIC document referenced is:

https://www.fdic.gov/about/srac/2012/gsifi.pdf

ag1969
Sep 5, 2013 - 12:33pm

Magpie

That is hilarious. Only because I wish you could read the PM Mr. Fix sent me this morning. Suffice it to say, I am pretty sure he noticed exactly what you are pointing out and made the same connection. LMAO

Magpie
Sep 5, 2013 - 12:29pm

Will this time be different?

Katrina comes to mind. From the news coverage I remember, it seems as though all five stages occurred in rapid succession.

(Mr. Fix, when you read Orlov's book you may recognize yourself and Mrs. Fix in his introduction. )

ag1969
Sep 5, 2013 - 12:13pm

Sinclair

Dear CIGAs,

This was first proposed in Cyprus then adopted by Poland.

The radar screens of many governments are clearly focused on pension funds so you must consider what this means to you. At the very least do not make this potential problem in Euroland and North America any larger as few will listen to my counsel to close the retirement accounts by transferring the investment to your name directly, and pay the taxes due. It is time you must GOTS and financially head for the hills.

Gold is for savings. Fiat currency is for transactions.

Poland reduces public debt through pension funds overhaul
Wed Sep 4, 2013 12:56pm EDT
By Dagmara Leszkowicz and Chris Borowski

* Reform moves bond assets from private to state fund
* Some equity assets to gradually move to state as well
* Changes seen reducing Polish public debt by 8 pct of GDP
* Funds say moves could be unconstitutional
* Warnings that private pension funds could be wiped out

https://www.jsmineset.com/2013/09/05/in-the-news-today-1637/

tyberious
Sep 5, 2013 - 11:54am

JPMorgan To Stop Making

JPMorgan To Stop Making Student Loans

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 09/05/2013 - 11:46

If you know you are adding more fuel to the latest and greatest credit bubble - that of student loans - and the blended return will be zero at best, why do it? That's precisely the question JPM appears to have asked itself, and when taking into consideration the persistently rising debt rates and thus the even lower probability of repayment, came to the only logical conclusion possible:

  • JPMORGAN CHASE TO STOP MAKING STUDENT LOANS -MEMO - RTRS
  • JPMORGAN CHASE WILL STOP ACCEPTING APPLICATION FOR STUDENT LOANS ON OCTOBER 12

Which means that the government, that one lender that can't and won't pull out from the student loan bubble until it finally blows up, will be even more on the hook, and require yet another bailout of this latest $1+ trillion debt house of cards.

Patrancus
Sep 5, 2013 - 11:42am

Inflation

Suppose anyone shelling out cash flow for their kids in college would argue about whether or not we have a little inflation in this Obummer gooberment managed economic chaos? Their is plenty enough inflation around for all if you are forced to meet with it head on.

emotionallyrational
Sep 5, 2013 - 11:41am

Seeing that it is election time Down Under

Thought I'd share a party I just stumbled upon:

Their Aims & objectives:

a)To advocate and lobby for the concept and introduction of an “honest money system”;

b)To advocate and lobby for the introduction of a “fair tax”;

c)To endorse a system of “fair trade”, until such time as free trade is the best policy for Australia to adopt;

d)To protect our natural rights, and ensure that natural justice is practiced and upheld, with the introduction of an Australian Bill of Rights to be built into our federal constitution;

e)To move Australia’s legal system towards a system focused on justice, rather than the letter of the law;

f)To move Australia towards a system of governance that embraces Citizens Initiated Referenda (CIR)

g)To advocate and lobby for a small and efficient government, the eradication of much red-tape, and to allow for private enterprise and the market to work with minimal government intervention;

h) To implement processes and procedures that will prevent and filter out corruption in government, and to allow for greater transparency in all bureaucracies;

i)To focus on policies and initiatives that will protect and improve
the environment;

j)To ensure that our over-all approach and philosophies are consistent with a democratic,sovereign nation, that will not allow for offshore interests, including but not restricted to the UN, WTO, and WHO, to hold undue influence over Australia’s affairs. We will aim to protect, and maintain, our nation’s sovereignty, and revise any international treaties/ agreements that infringe on our nation’s sovereignty, affairs, and our way of life.

I was really excited to just KNOW that there is a political party out there that I can relate to.

Read up on them here if you are interested: https://sovereigntyparty.org.au/

tyberious
Sep 5, 2013 - 11:33am

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