Mon, Aug 12, 2013 - 10:07am

Last night after writing a post, I got a nasty virus. A piece of ransom ware that I can't remove without professional assistance. I'm supposed to send a check or money order to some branch of the US Government to unlock my computer. The people who write these virus's are the dregs of society. Whether these programs are written by organized crime or a bunch of tech savvy teenagers with nothing to do, these individuals have no moral compass and are bend on destruction for destruction sakes and are a weak man's form of power. There is nothing worse than rewriting a piece that you have completed. So instead of torturing myself, I've decided to write on another topic and that is POWER and the role it plays in political and financial systems. I've not seen this topic dealt with by anybody because it's a topic that has rarely been dealt with.

As I read commentary by insiders such as Catherine Austin Fitts, Jim Rickards, Paul Craig Roberts or any number of insiders who have seen from the inside the lies and manipulations, I hear as a general rule or formula "this is their plan and how they intend for it to unfold." Its not that I do not think their insights are important but I also listen to see if they acknowledge a more silent, often imperceptible dynamic at work. The Laws of Power!

Most people can spot a power game at work and call it out. That is not much of a trick. There is a more subtle dynamic at work whether it's the angry guy in the office who shields his ego by wielding what little influence he has over a few people granted to him by the power of the corporation or the insidious power plays of governments s hell bend at suppressing liberties of individuals.

Power actually operates as a set of cause and effect laws that have been observed throughout time and talked about by philosophers such as Plato and Machiavelli. Shakespeare understood these silent forces and incorporated these archetypical forces in his writings. These laws play out in the affairs of men but it takes understanding and acute powers of observation to connect outcomes to the causation that might have begun years before. This is where the study of cycles becomes important to be able to trace the outcomes of today to their casual beginnings. The human species is often short sighted and forgets how the mistakes of previous generations are effecting current affairs. So when a political insider tells us that the elite intent in pursuing such a such a course, I am reminded of the quote "all the best laid plans of mice and men often go awry"

If you read the history of Rome, you'll find 100's of different reasons attributed to it's decline. Everything from the lead they put in the pots and pans, imperialist over reach and the debasement of it's money. Doug Casey counted 180 reasons that he found attributed to Rome's decline. SRSRocco has also provided a very noteworthy analysis of the Roman experiment with more energy In, than energy out. I don't disagree. Yet, I would suggest an even more fundamental flaw, POWER! I have yet to read one contributor to the decline of Rome that doesn't fit into this broad category.

The study of Power is interesting in that there are very few scholarly writings on the subject yet our political and financial systems are entirely based on Power structures and individuals channeling their power through institutions such as government, banks and corporations. Power or lack of it is the human emotion that more than any other that makes for great literature, history and ensures that the 6 o'clock news is never without a news story, yet we know little about it.

Most of us have a familiarity with some principles of economics and finance. We learn that money and markets behave according to certain principles such as the laws of supply and demand, Gresham's law, laws of cycles and too many to mention. Adam Smith's "Wealth of nations' is a discourse in principles and observations of the political economy. However, if we want to look at the laws of power, we find a great gap in modern theories. This is a brief overview of the dynamics of personal power. They are quite similar to the dynamics of institutional which would encompass political and economic power.

Machiavelli understood that power was like drug stronger than cocaine. A man on power probably feels a euphoria unlike any synthetic drug know to mankind. Imagine what Obama or any president must feel like day after day having at is disposal the worlds largest military, men standing, saluting him, trumpet calls and an entire staff at his beg and call every minute of the day. The greatest sports stars, musicians, artists, businessman and men in just about any field come to his front door for an opportunity to have a picture with Mr. President. Seldom do men who have experienced this euphoria ever want to ever relinquish it. There is actually a physical and emotional withdrawal that men go through after loosing power.

Adolf A. Berle was no stranger to power. He was the ultimate insider of his day having served FDR, JFK and Lyndon Johnson. He was a close advisor to FDR as a member of FDR's working group known as the "Brain Trust" A lawyer, educator, author, and U.S. diplomat. Berle wrote a modern day classic on the nature of power in his classic "Power" Berles insights come as a result of decades of service as a diplomat and advisors to three very powerful and historically important presidents. Probably no modern day President used political, economic and the power of the media more to his advantage than FDR.


While Berles books is filled with brilliant insights, five laws of power and many other postulates and case histories, I'd like to focus on just one of those ideas. The idea of power vs control. They are not synonymous. As Berle points out, decisions to use power is the desire by the power holder to control events and events do not necessarily follow the power holders intentions.

I know in the last two years that Turdville has a vast array of opinions on the nature of future of events, system collapsing/not collapsing, dollar collapse/not, hyperinflation/stagflation and recently whether or not it is possible for the power holders and the financial elite to loose control or if all events and plans from bail-ins to bank collapses are part of a greater plan. Lets look at what Berle might have to say if he could give his voice to any of these discussion.

In his final chapter "The Decline of Power-Epilogue in America" Very fortuitous title for a book written over 50 years ago. Don't you think? The author has a mock conversation with the Roman God Zeus'

"You are assumed to control events. You say, "Go' and men go: 'Come,' and they come. You can arrange, within measure, that armies take or leave the field. In extremes you can say, "this man may live; that man, die.' You achieve a measure of order, for that is the condition of power. but i do not see that events follow your will." Zeus summarizes "Power Exists. At any given minute, any given man may be completely in its grip. Or, for that matter, kingdoms or continents. When I say you take too seriously, I mean you assume it's lasting effects can be willed by it's holder. This is an illusion."

Keynesian Theory is based on Power

KT in a nutshell is a basically a treatise on economic power. More specifically economic power guided by the forces of political power. As consumers, we all have a modicum of economic power although it might pail in comparison to a corporation or an individual such as Warren Buffett. You have the right to make consumer choices, choose your investments, decide what prices you are willing to pay for those things you buy. Political power at this time seeks to limit those powers, nonetheless, you still possess free will to make choices in a repressive environment. That's what essentially Turdville has been about. Providing information so you can make the best choices.

Keynes basic premise was that economic disparity can be controlled and the state can and must exercise a guiding influence on consumption and investment. The state influences those who own the instruments of production and how the welfare and equilibrium of the economy should be in the hands of a few men and central control. Fed monetary policy is our best examples that it is the first and final word on money production. Outlaw competitive currencies, disable other forms of barter and issue fiat money backed by the force of the govt.

Unpredictability of Power Holder Decisions.

Power holders recognize that their decisions often create unpredictable events. Jim Rickards wrote his book "Currency Wars" based on simulation of a currency war game to entertain various outcomes to different decisions by the economic powers. The US military and a myriad of government think tanks are full time dedicated to trying to predict the outcome of various scenarios that will occur as a result of a certain action. Why do we need war games and simulated military, political and social experiments if the power holders were certain of the outcome and that they wouldn't loose control ? Because they ultimately do not know the outcome of any initiative by the power holders. If they knew, they would not hold simulation games and insurance companies wouldn't hire the smartest statisticians to be actuaries. This all falls under Berles postulate that power can control the immediate outcome but not always all the resulting fallout of their use of force.

If you are still in doubt, grab a Ouija board and ask Alexander the Great who met his defeat despite the warnings the Chaldeans that the sun would set on his kingdom, or Mussolini died at the hands of a mob. When events are dictated by power and control, history shows that they don't unfold according to plan.

The Cleveland Kidnapping story. Power loses Control

A man holds three woman captive for years. He controls every aspect of their life. He determines when they eat, sleep and when they can go outside. He has total authority over his victims. However, one fateful day, a unique set of unforeseen circumstances converged all at once. He left the front door unlocked. One of the victims noticed it and began screaming while one of the neighbors next door was outside. A combination of internal flaws and external circumstance ended the kidnappers dominance over his victims. He now faces life in prison plus a 1000 years.

I'm sure whatever narcissistic, deranged disease the kidnapper had is just a psychological theme and variation from what Mussolini suffered from when he dreamt of a great Mediterranean empire, or Hitlers' dream of a new system to last a thousand years. These dreams didn't end well. We can look at Napoleons' defeat in Waterloo and his eventual fate of being sent into exile where he died from stomach cancer. What's the lesson these individual's teach us? Personal power invariable meets defeat and often a destructive end before the power holders life ends.

Power of men and institutions will continue to seek absolute power until it is interrupted. It is a compulsive, self-feeding force, until it is countered. Berle observed and filled his book with case history after case history of the three forces that interrupted personal power. Briefly, those forces are

-They voluntary resign or abdicate their position or their term is completed.
-They are over thrown or illegitimately displaced through revolution or outside forces.

And there you have an overview of the dynamic of the laws of power. So next time you read an insiders rendition of what the future holds, ask yourself, does the analyst entertain external unforeseen forces or is their analysis based on a closed system. To summarize using Berles words:

"I say power controls immediate events-but forces other than power determine their results."

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Green Lantern


Aug 12, 2013 - 2:47pm


A great subject. I would say that -- there is nothing wrong with the power. How about the power of love, the power to create, in the broad sense? Here, love has much broader meaning that a sexual love, of course. It's just about how one would use it, because it has to be balanced and "counter-balanced", otherwise -- there comes the self-destruction. So the control and the self-control (both, individual and social) is about various outlets of power, their direction and quality (positive-negative), being in balance, being integrated. It's the balancing act. Human character, or the nature, is an integration of -- various desires, feelings, needs, or powers if you will, and drives, but these have to be balanced. The same is valid for a society, as man is not only an individual, but also a social being. There is always this dual character, even dual forms of thinking and morals.

Aug 12, 2013 - 2:52pm

Speaking of ill computers

Thanks to everyone here for the opportunity to interact with you all.

Thanks to TF for this site.

I am signing off for now (for reasons completely unrelated to the new site design or structure).

I hope things go well with the roll-out.

If I do not sign back into the site in 3 to 4 days, it is because I am unable to do so physically.\

I am facing a major surgery and will have a long recovery. With God's guidance and your prayers, I shall return.

I want to thank you all for your correspondence and your friendship.

May the force be with you all.

Aug 12, 2013 - 2:59pm


Be strong... Even though I am -- like Puck, I will pray for you. We will be here, waiting for you.

Aug 12, 2013 - 3:14pm

Jedi ...

Consider your situation to be a minor disturbance in the Force. It will pass. All the best to you. Hurry back.

wax off

Jakarta Expat ReachWest
Aug 12, 2013 - 3:23pm


LOL yes you were born to be an elitist, you have reached your true potential and status in life, just joking I mean nothing by it).

Where did you live, Menteng or down South in the Kemang area of all things expat. Kemang is crazy now as the powers that be reclassified it from residential to a business district (after the same came in and bought almost all properties for sale) thus you can imagine the chaos since the roads never got widened or anything up graded and the same ole roads leading in and out of Kemang remain the same so traffic traffic traffic. In 2010 we sold our old place and bought 1115 sqm of land in the Pejaten Barat area just a kilometer south of Kemang up on one of the few hills here thus no flooding and that land has virtually tripled in price from 400 US a sqm to over 1200 a sqm today and that is priced without the 550 sqm house we built on it last year.

PM me if you want to talk about or ask about the new Jakarta. Although just as it was in the 90's it may be a city of millions of people it is still a small village when it comes to expats so everyone still knows everyone and you cannot do much here without your wife or gf eventually finding out so don't shit where you eat.



Jakarta Expat Strongsidejedi
Aug 12, 2013 - 3:34pm


Damn SSJ, I am sorry to hear that as you are one of the more enjoyable and knowledgeable posters here that seems to have his head in the game and your finger on the pulse of what is going on in the PM world.

I hope you come out alright just be tough, I had a horrendous accident in 2011, medi-vacing me out of Jakarta to Singapore where the doctors there had written me off, most of my organs were failing due to the internal trama they suffered and the doctors telling my wife to go ahead and med-ivac me back to Jakarta so I could die there and she refused to give up and I made it through even though I did spend 3 1/2 months in a Singapore hospital and I was still so bad off that they had to medi-vaced back home when I got out after that 3 1/2 months with a follow up at home of months and months of physiotherapy. If an asshole like me can live through it surely a decent upstanding guy like you can, good luck and we will await your triumphant return here.

Green Lantern
Aug 12, 2013 - 3:37pm

@strongsidejedi, my prayers

@strongsidejedi, my prayers and thoughts are with you. Your contribution to this forum is priceless and will be missed. Hopefully after your recovery, you will rejoiin us.


Power takes, love gives. Yes love is powerful but it doesn't seek to control. Power seeks to consume everything in it's path. Alexander the Great and Napoleon, their thirst for power could not be quenched. Do not confuse that with love. One allows, the other doesn't. Power is born out of vanity, the thirst to conquer and rule out of fear. The power of love does not.

The old saying is love and no strength makes man a wimp. Power without love makes man a brute.

Can any man really look upon 200 years of aggression and pillaging and mistake it for love? Let's not confuse semantics with principle.

The differences can be seen in the case history Berle provides comparing the Presidency of Theodore Roosevelt to John Quincy Adams. Roosevelt experienced post power syndrome. He was bitter at the loss of his power and this turned into hostility towards his successor, Taft. He made speeches that divided and split the republican party. He revealed confidences and wrote speeches to attack. After he came back from his trips to Africa, he could not find satisfaction because he felt powerless. In his powerlessness, he tried to assume power the only way he knew how. Pettiness.

On the other hand John Quincy Adams was a man with a mission. He wanted to prevent the extension of American slavery and to promote scientific knowledge. When he lost his bid for Presidency, it didn't stop him from continuing his mission as he ran for the House in a much humbler and less powerful position. He overcame the drug like habit of power and pursued a mission for the betterment of society. Love vs power.

abguy4 GL interruptus. GL makes no excuses and realizes that any introduction to this topic especially in this format cannot address the myrad of issues of political and economic force. And I find it an interesting study and could write pages and pages. However, my job here is only to stimulate the conversation. If before this piece when you listened to somebody such as Fitts Austin and already incorporated these ideas into your paradigm of analysis, well than, Bitchin' You Da Man!

Aug 12, 2013 - 3:37pm


Hang in there as best you can and all my well wishes to you on a speedy recovery

Spartacus Rex
Aug 12, 2013 - 3:46pm
Aug 12, 2013 - 4:12pm


May your surgeons be skilled.

May your surgery be a success.

May your recovery be rapid.

Aug 12, 2013 - 4:21pm

@ Jakarta Expat

We lived in the Kuningan area - not far from the Medistra Hospital on Jl Gatot Subroto. Can't imagine how nasty the traffic must be there today as the city has grown - it was horrible back in the 90's - I can recall spending hours in traffic to travel but a few Km.

And - you're right - its a pretty small expat community - despite the fact that Jakarta has such a large populace.

Aug 12, 2013 - 4:23pm

@Strongsidejedi This too


This too shall pass.

Until it does, you have many distant friends who are rooting for you, and will miss your presence while you are recovering from surgery.

Aug 12, 2013 - 4:52pm


"Power takes, love gives."

No. power can give, too, and love can go wrong, beyond one's obsession. Love can kill, too.

"Yes love is powerful but it doesn't seek to control."

Of course it does. :-) Love is a form of power, love and creativity, not just procreation, are just two different aspects of "one", the same, while control is just a balancing act. I mean, you can have a raw power, in physics for example, which can go in any direction, the positive or negative. That's why there is a controlled explosion. ;-) where control is the balancing act among several present tendencies and "powers".... Morals and ethics (the "school of ethics" reflects a particular philosophy, right?) act like a balancing act in this case, there are moral "breaks", various moral considerations...

Well, think about it: one should never -- lie, steal, or kill, right? That's the ordinary justice (Plato), however, under certain circumstances, one can do it -- to protect lives, and a property; that's the higher justice (Plato). In my case, yes, I used them both, I lied to the communist secret service several times. So, how did I know when I can do it? How do we know that we have to switch from one to the other concept? Where is the fine line? There is none, no computer is capable to help, not even the logic itself; it depends on circumstances. The decision is based on one's moral code. One doesn't find it in newspapers or books. It's inside of man. There are times, when one can be right, while 95% of his countrymen are wrong. It's very tough though, very hard and complicated to deal with. And believe me, one needs all the "power" he's got, to be able to handle it.

Aug 12, 2013 - 4:57pm

@GLGreat article.


Great article.

I like the thesis that power itself destroys anything up to and including empires.

I was not aware of Adolf Berle before reading your piece. Appreciate the heads up.

Is it possible the the power applied breeds by it's own application the resistance which opposes? Create a champion and contenders will arise to win that status and wealth which the champ enjoys?

Aug 12, 2013 - 5:30pm


Best thoughts, keep strong, get your butt back here in record time.

Nick Elway
Aug 12, 2013 - 6:18pm

Acton on Power


I cannot accept your canon that we are to judge Pope and King unlike other men, with a favorable presumption that they did no wrong. If there is any presumption it is the other way against holders of power, increasing as the power increases. Historic responsibility has to make up for the want of legal responsibility. Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority: still more when you superadd the tendency or the certainty of corruption by authority. There is no worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it.

Lord Acton https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Dalberg-Acton,_1st_Baron_Acton

I noticed in the days of campus riots that the most violence-provoking rioters drove the nicest cars, made me wonder what could be their motivation.

Skousen noticed that much of the support (and control) of communism came from the wealthiest "capitalists" and he wrote The Naked Capitalist to try and answer the question:



“Why do some of the richest people in the world support communism and socialism? Why would they support what appears to be the pathway to their own destruction?..."

What I gleaned from Skousen is: The top .001% in wealth pursue power (to maintain wealth) The top .0001% in power pursue wealth (to maintain power). The top .001% in wealth AND power pursue setting up a dynasty so that wealth AND power will be preserved for their offspring and their offspring's offspring. It is the feudal "royalty" system again but without "fame". They set up figureheads with "fame", they know that when people begin to understand what is happening they blame the current figurehead. Notice the vitriol at Obama and Bush especially, even though they are just expendable figureheads to the puppet masters.

Anthony Sutton's well-researched "Wall Street" books document how certain wealthy capitalists' supported of Nazism, Bolshevism, and American Socialism and offer more depth on how this worked over the period from 1913 through the Vietnam war. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG7lG0ggHck

Sutton's discussion of the capitalists' motivation is quite different than mine (and Skousen's) and certainly worth considering.

GL, I very much appreciate your post. TPTB plans may indeed not come out as they expect, but the families have been doing this a long time and have learned how to insulate themselves quite well from the repercussions.

Green Lantern
Aug 12, 2013 - 6:20pm

@Bohemian,  This is a great

@Bohemian, This is a great discussion. I don't want to get too deep into the more philosophical distinctions between love and power because essentially these are spiritual viewpoints that we all hold and will differ. I'd simply say, yes, a man has the right to defend his person and property with force when necessary. But the devil is in the details

Procreation can be an act of love or it can be control. The difference between a man and an animal is that he is given to the gift to use these acts for love. The ageless war between genders is one of power when one uses sex for gain and control. Same thing, man can create something for the well being of the species or he can use the same powers of creation to destroy. Procreation and creation is love or power depending on the users intention. For all I know there people here whose religion is polygamy or other believes out of the social norm that are protected by freedom of religion.

In archetypical psychology there is a condition known as symbiosis or co-dependence. It's not love, it's a form of control. It's predicated on conditions where the controller gives or withholds love to get what they want. It's a fear based system. The welfare system mimics these dynamics. We will take care of you as long as......

@AM Maybe the word is competition breeds more competition? If so, I'd say yes. Competition is another great subject but I won't open Pandora's box today.

Aug 12, 2013 - 6:32pm

Good reading with a touch of genius - -

Great article from G.L. - - Egotistical power, exploiting collectivist desire for acceptance and security is destroying our world. These perceptive and enlightened articles give perspective to the current mess we are in.

Lamenting Laverne
Aug 12, 2013 - 8:09pm

@SSJ - Delighted to pile on

I wish you all the best and a speedy recovery- Looking forward to many more of your Snauzer days, where you get a whiff of something interesting and then just goes bonkers in research and machine gun posts for all to enjoy ;-)

@GL: Thought provoking as always. In my off-line life I am currently witnessing a case of "Power" unfold in real time, where a nation is forced onto what is likely to become an economically destructive path due to execution of "Power" on the part of larger failed bullies, who can't even sort their own shit out. It breaks my heart. I hope this will be one of the examples where exercise of "Power" will have an unpredictable result and play a trick on the trespassers.

John Galt
Aug 12, 2013 - 8:13pm


Prayers and best wishes to you for a speedy recovery.

May the Force be with you.

Aug 12, 2013 - 8:18pm


We will wait for your return whether it is 3 or 4 days or more. Hope you are well looked after during your hospital stay. If there is anything we can do, just ask. Best wishes to you and your family.

Aug 12, 2013 - 8:32pm

Thank you for making me think, GL

This wonderful essay led me to try and find some writings about power that I vaguely remember reading many years ago, but instead that search led me to a guy called "The Longshoreman Philosopher"- Eric Hoffer. He worked as a Longshorman in San Francisco for over 40 years, while penning some of the most interesting philosophical books and essays of the mid-20th century. I may try to work some of his stuff into a post eventually, but here are a few choice quotes on the subject of power:

It is doubtful if the oppressed ever fight for freedom. They fight for pride and power—power to oppress others. The oppressed want above all to imitate their oppressors; they want to retaliate.

Absolute power corrupts even when exercised for humane purposes. The benevolent despot who sees himself as a shepherd of the people still demands from others the submissiveness of sheep.

Those who lack the capacity to achieve much in an atmosphere of freedom will clamor for power.

Hoffer was read by Presidents- Eisenhower is said to have had his books on his nightstand - but he never earned as much from his publishing as from his full-time work as a Longshoreman. Because he was so authentically from the working class, doctrinaire intellectuals hated him because they all came from far more wealthy backgrounds and thus their "in defense of the working man" leftism rang hollow against Hoffer's strong "freedom and individualism" writings.

I never would have found this guy if not for the inspiration of your fine essay GL- thank you.

Aug 12, 2013 - 8:37pm


Nicely written thesis as always.... a pleasure to read.

But I would like to qualify one basic premise captured in this sentence:

" As Berle points out, decisions to use power is the desire by the power holder to control events and events do not necessarily follow the power holders intentions."

The power holder is not the person who apparently wields it. Power is a potent sentiment bestowed unto an individual, figurehead, organization, nation. Power actually resides in the person(s) who bestow it. Much like a student who obeys their teacher out of admiration, respect or pleasure. The teacher acquires power based on the reaction of the his/her students. Without that sentiment there is no power.

Power is also based on a dependency differential. Those who depend on the other will also bestow power based on necessity. Those 2 ingredients still reside in those who give power, as much as those who receive it.

This is why Iceland was successful. They accepted financial hardship with the explicit determination to remain relatively independent, thereby stripping financial elite of their acquired power. It can be done. We need to understand this. They certainly do and are afraid that their power is largely a fiction, a psychosis if you will of the public.

Anybody can be divested of their power in a flash and that only happens when the others' relative independence is strengthened and the fiction acknowledged.

The example of elderly abuse is a disturbing case in point.

Green Lantern
Aug 12, 2013 - 9:23pm

@Pining  Wow, Excellent!!!  I

@Pining Wow, Excellent!!! I hope you do write more about Hoffer. Never heard of him. But I won't wait for you, sounds interesting for a book hound like me.

@redwood. Dang, that is one heck of an insightful post!!! 200 hat tips and a fountain pen. Yes, that is the other side of the equation. There has to be parties and a feedback loop. What a coinkidink, I have the otherside of the equation on my list of things to write about. It's the power holder accessing the week link in people's psyche. This is how programming is done. Find the essential needs of a human for security.

It's why we still have Queens and Kings. They were the power holders and they ruled through fear. The Golden Bough by Frazier is a detailed history of Kings and Queens back to time immemorial and how they ruled by accessing the innate fear in their kingdom. And that's how human sacrafic started. It's not that people are that stupid to believe that the sun wouldn't rise without human blood, in fact, they probably didn't believe it all. But fear was so strongly instilled that it was the sacrifices they were afraid of. Whether or not the sun would rise or not mattered little compared to the prospect of having your heart torn out. Fear makes believers of men when it becomes overwhelming.

The powerholders simply had a stronger imagination than the believers who gave away their personal power to a person who was essentially a God.

We have so many conventions today that people never question that harken back to ancient times. They don't question it because that's just the way it is. Anybody know why you wear a tie to work? Or why you say bless you when somebody sneezes? Or the history of a handshake? coinage is one of the ways power holders used for people to give away their power. And even our music industry teaches people to make their musical hero's into god's, thereby giving away their power.

So at the root of economic power is just as you suggest. A tacit agreement by the people to keep it that way. That's why I always say, I can't blame the politicians. It's the people who agree to put them in office.

Bohemian Green Lantern
Aug 12, 2013 - 9:32pm


These are spiritual viewpoints, but I think that we don't have an identical definition or understanding for "spiritual"... It's not so spiritual to me, or only spiritual. Power or life force, some would say, the energy or drive, emotions, right? We were able to photograph this "energy" (or force) leaving a human body; we called it "cold plasma" then, in the late 50's. So, to what degree it was only spiritual, and what happens with it next?

We use statements like -- the power of words, the power of ideas, thoughts, the power of music, the power of good, the power of visuals, whatever...and it can spread, be intoxicated, it could inspire, in good way, or the wrong way, like in Germany in 30's...and it can turn entire nations into a madhouse, mass hysteria, the Saint Vitus Dance of Madness, provided that there is not enough of that counter force for the balancing act, the moral brakes (individual, social, political), the cooling system. And yet, there were periods of mass enthusiasm, too, incredible drive of entire nations, technological advancements, and also, after the age of darkness, the was the renaissance, and there were revolutions... Sometimes, some nations were able to do in 5 years what otherwise would take them for decades.

As for love, as the highest form of the positive force/power, it can be anything :-) Love can heal, love can move the mountains, love can be gentle like a flower, it could be sweet, but for the Nazareth -- Love Hurts. :-)))) Do you love freedom? How strong is your love for your country or the nation, or the truth? Is it really only a spiritual issue? People were dying for freedom and their country, some even not thinking twice. Is it really only spiritual? I believe that one just can't win the critical battle and destroy the enemy only on that spiritual level.

Aug 12, 2013 - 9:38pm

Segue' provided by GL

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Is that a parrot I see?

Solomon and the Queen of Sheba

Artist - Erasmus Quellinus ca. 1670

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Aug 12, 2013 - 10:34pm


Be well, kick butt, keep your eye on the ball, and I'll keep my eye on these rogues so you can concentrate on you.


(GL, as always, your posts are highlights in my reading life - great thread folks)

Aug 12, 2013 - 11:31pm

Call me a simpleton if you will

Power is other's perception of you, or your perception of yourself, nothing more. Power is kept or given away by our actions. Many folks willingly give their power away--for example here you see how they allow "trolls" to bother them and it is an act of power the troll delights in, causing the chaos he desires, and he is delighted. But the troll is trained in the act of deceit and to draw away and discredit valid discourse. It is best to leave the troll here, so those that hold their power can see the troll's weakness. It is the achillies heal he will complain loudest about and he does us the favor of letting us know the other side's fears. Do you see? A troll brings us information! Ignore his noise and ask, "what is he trying to draw us away from?"

The "little man" often complains of having "no power" but that is completely false. If the banks are the issue we don't bank there, we choose credit unions, or minimize our savings/borrowing from the banks, or purposefully maintain minimum banking balances investing in hardstuffs instead. It is we, the little people, that keep them afloat with our business. Can you be your own CB? Most of us are so addicted to debt we give them our power and then complain endlessly about "them" taking home million or trillion dollar bonus paychecks. Did we enable it? Why? Why did we give our power away?

We don't have the power over the currency printing or do we? Is it a system we are stuck with? If a currency is no longer desired it will no longer be printed. Folks have the confidence of the power of our currency, but there are many ways to reduce your own currency demand. Does a 1% reduction nationally have an effect? What about a 5% or 10%? We can do this by maximizing tangible items of value and reducing currency as the medium of exchange, or simply buying less "stuff". If confidence is lost on the dollar there is significant pressure for other mediums of exchange to develop.

If we don't like leveraged gold, we force the hand by seeking the physical knowing full well we transfer the power as each oz of physical takes away 45-50 oz of paper. If our perception of ourselves is of unlimited power to effect great change, we will. If it is one of capitulation we can just continue to complain forever enslaved to those we view as "in power".

We must act in powerful ways. We must believe in our power, it is here.

Aug 13, 2013 - 12:27am


Looking forward to your return, take care and be well.


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