Guest Post: On The Ground in NYC with Green Lantern

Thu, Nov 1, 2012 - 7:01pm

Longtime Turdite, "Green Lantern", generously offered this fantastic summary and tucked it into the comments section of the previous thread. He offers firsthand observations of post-Sandy life in NYC and did such a great job writing it up that I felt it needed to be elevated to the main page. Thanks, GL, and God bless. Hang in there and keep us posted.

I want to make some observations about what I am witnessing here in NYC with Sandy. Some conclusions that you won't hear on the TV. 

First, the new Prep Friends and Community. If you don't have any, make some. Take classes on how to make some if you are one of those irritable types.

Millions of people are struggling to get to work. There is very little gas! Due to all the electricity problems. Either no gas or the stations have no electricity. And obviously, limited public transportation and what there is simply chaotic. Ok, this shouldn't be surprise but here is the story they are not telling you, WHY do millions of people, even people whose houses and lives have been destroyed waiting two hours for a bus, that takes another two hours to get to work only to be exhausted, work a few hours and do it over again? BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD NOT TO WORK. EVEN FOR A FEW DAYS OR A WEEK. It's just terrible.

And obviously no gas means no deliveries! Prep food. And by the way, something I learned. Eat it for a week. Make sure you can live with it. I thought I'd give it a try. I need to revaluate some of my choices.

My wife can't get to work. Either no gas, or no public transportation. I told her to sit her ass home until one or the other comes back on. Companies are forcing their employee's to come in, go to meetings etc... You must find a way! Message: companies can't keep up with their bottom line without employees and employees can't pay their mortgage and car payments if they don't come in. It's almost modern slavery. RESULT: Utter Chaos! No time for grieving, no time for clean-up, no time for volunteering to help others, get your ass into work or else...We wouldn't have all the transportation chaos if people and companies had the leeway to have their employees stay home. Other message: Fed is going to have to print more to get such an important economic center back on line.

It doesn't have to be your neighborhood that gets devastated to effect your life style. New Orleans goes down. No Seafood, Oil goes up. San Francisco or Boston tech area's go down, or Kansas City wheat gets messed up, you are effected.

We'll have to wait to see the long term business impact of this storm but my guess is a lot of people are going to have to go out of business especially without government assistance. This should boost monetary policy nicely. The hurricane besides the obvious devastation is only highlighting the significant economic problems we are facing. There is no reason so many people should be struggling to get to work under these conditions! 

Companies and people are over leveraged and their lifestyle depends on their ability to go to work tomorrow. The city has passed an HOV law that says you cannot drive into the city if you don't have three people in the car. When they interview people they say, I do not know two other people or do not know how to find two other people!

COMMUNITY! Not Me, Myself, and I. That alone will not work. 

Yes, more and more looting is going on after the storm. Reports now that people are pretending to be FEMA or other government officials and knocking on doors. Government, federal, state and city cannot patrol all the devastated neighborhoods and even neighborhoods just having a hard time. People are crying for government to help them. Lesson: Communities not government will determine your fate. I can't get to parts of the city to help friends. Just no way. 

Communities are being forced to get together and become their own police. Those that do are protected, those that don't.Oh, well. No food or food supplies running low in many communities including many suburbs. Especially the lower class neighborhoods on Rockaway Beach, nobody has showed up except some religious groups who are feeding them and those who are being helped by their neighbors. People who are flooded or have damage are only getting by with the help of their neighbors who are taking buckets and helping them.

Now let's just say that instead of a hurricane the the cities and states went broke. Transportation systems couldn't afford to run, massive disruption of either food or gas supplies etc.... Many people would be in similar situations. Little food and water, weak communities, and definitely no government to bail you out.

Other small lessons. Cell phones iffy. Towers down. DSL phone lines useless in some parts. Have an old fashion phone that plugs into the wall. We learned that lesson when the Northeast grid went down. Good reminder.

I won't go on. You are all smart people. But I'll say this, do not wait until the shit hits the fan to change your lifestyle. If you are living beyond your means or just near the tipping point, reduce your lifestyle and put the change in your pocket. Ditch the premium cable and the fancy cell phones plans, stop getting your white wall tires hand polished, going to the nail place and getting your hair done every week. Vanity doesn't mean shit when you have to protect your family. I'll learn how to paint my wife's nails with colored glue if my wife needed it that bad. Our material based society is learning that it no longer serves us. We need to become a community based society where connection is more important than having that vice president title. There are quite a few vice presidents now sitting in puddles without electricity. I hope they have food and friends to help them out.

Lastly, all the Long Island and Jersey Shore beach resorts. It's sad and utterly devastating. My memories are on both. But I don't want government money to come in to build new boardwalks, and roller coasters. Private money fine. I doubt it will ever be rebuilt the way it was. Put sand back on the beach. Life guard stands, some bathrooms, a few hot dog stands and make some new memories. If that gets washed away, no big deal.

People should be allowed to rebuild right on the beach. But not with my money. I drive 30 to 40 minutes to go to a beach. At the end of the day, i don't have to look at the waves. Our society needs to start having some more environmental awareness. I accept the risk of living surrounded by water. If you live in San Francisco, you accept the risk of earth quakes. If you live in the flood plains of the Mississippi accept that risk. You have cognitive thinking abilities and the internet to access records. It doesn't make it any less sad when disasters happen but we as individuals and societies need to take responsibility to be aware of our environments and the potential risks. It's not salt water taffy, roller coasters, and boats that are key to your happiness. It's family and community. When are we going to learn that? Of course, when it's too late.

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Nov 1, 2012 - 7:05pm
Nov 1, 2012 - 7:05pm


Thanks for the info. Helps put things into perspective. I do prep. This kind of information will hopefully keep me more vigilant.

Nov 1, 2012 - 7:09pm
Nov 1, 2012 - 7:15pm


Many hat tips to you sir for your insightsyes

Nov 1, 2012 - 7:30pm

Thank you Green Lantern.

Thank you Green Lantern. Your words of what you are seeing are all too familiar. My hometown is Rumson, NJ and I lived just across the bridge to Sea Bright, NJ for many years. I recall Hurricane Donna back in the 60s as well. I picture your words well in re of the picture of the shore line that will never be the same with hot dogs and a milk shakes on the board walks and the amusement parks. But those memories were all when I was kid and the shore line of northern NJ all along Long Branch and Asbury Park changed when all the money came in and the landscaped was transformed and lost that feel it once had. Yes, it is risky to live on the shores of a mighty ocean and folks knew the risk they were taking when they purchased those homes only feet from a high tide ocean line. Just like you wrote....we have to know our environments.

I wish you and your family well Green Lantern. Thank you for telling us what is really happening and what you are experiencing.


Nov 1, 2012 - 7:33pm


I sincerely wish you and yours (and everyone) only the best in dealing with a terrible situation.

It seems some posters think that I'm a heartless bastard for making political posts (in the last thread), the one titled "November Begins".

My prayers and best wishes go out to you and your family and friends to persevere through this catastrophe.



Nov 1, 2012 - 7:43pm

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Nov 1, 2012 - 7:43pm

thanks for sharing, GL! hang

thanks for sharing, GL! hang in there! we're all rooting for you and yours here in turdville.

i actually just printed out your comment and gave it to my mother. she's been annoyed with my constant reminders for her to pick up canned goods when she's shopping.

now that she is seeing the beginning of the aftermath, she is much more receptive and already picked up a few extra cases of drinking water.

33 and a turd
Nov 1, 2012 - 7:53pm


Cameron planning a fight?

Tomorrow's London Independent says Cameron is ready to send planes to bomb Iran

Nov 1, 2012 - 7:53pm

Hurricane Sandy.....more observations/lessons

My guess is i dont live too far from Green Lantern, and i agree with his post, but let me add my own observations as well:

Gasoline is the biggest problem i have seen so far. Mile long lines, only to find out the tanks are empty, no police presence at gas stations until fights break out.....then plenty of cops show up...and stay....directing traffic, breaking up arguments, pulling cars out of line if they are over 1/2 tank full (i actually liked that one). A friend of mine owns a gas station, spoke to him today, he said he went in to open the bays @ 6a.m. (he ran out of gas Sunday).....and there were 30 people waiting with gas containers, he was scared to tell them. Price gouging is being watched closely, 10% increase law...10,000 fine for gouging and it's being enforced. hundreds have called in to complain about gouging. When a station does get a tanker of's "tweeted" "facebooked" and "forumed" immediately....within 4 hrs, that particular station is empty..again. Towns are using reverse 911 to inform bordering towns that they have "no gas in town, so please just keep driving".....because the gas search is creating traffic jams locally. Taxi's are parked in NYC.....because no fuel... I heard Time/Warner told their employees at one of their headquarters up the road to get ready to go home, because their generators only had 2 hours of fuel left......Essentially, New Jersey is trying to run it's electrical grid on gasoline. My friends supplier said maybe a delivery of fuel for Tuesday....."maybe". Other people are driving an hour up the thruway only to find out there is no gas there either......really bad.

There are no perishables in the grocery store.....none. Many stores are going to be closed for a week or more..... dont even think about the obvious stuff....flashlights batteries generators, no way no how..... speaking of generators, alot of the people i talked to dont even care that they have no generator, because they couldnt fuel it even if they had one. The closer you get to sea level, the more despair you can feel.....

The shore got obliterated......period. The governor is telling everyone to call FEMA....which is fine i guess.....but this ain't Louisiana... this is Mega Bucks Beachville......where all beach houses range between 550,000 to 6,000,000.....this is gonna cost America.....bigtime. (oh, by the people really know how to milk the you all know) There are oil spills everywhere, and thousands and thousands of totalled cars. 

I guess that this is really just barely getting started......but people's patience seems to be wearing thin............and it's only been 3 days!

My latest concern is the sound of my generator running smoothly......which tells the world: "Hey, that guy has gas!"

ranger 30
Nov 1, 2012 - 8:01pm

green lantern

I live in Sheepshead Bay Brooklyn and I can tell you that some people have a clue. Unfortunately most don't. I have lived here all my life and I have never seen where my neighbors don't know each other. Some of us are getting together to take care of things but most are sitting back and waiting for uncle sam to "handle it". They will be sitting around for a long time and then maybe they will WAKE UP.

Nov 1, 2012 - 8:17pm


This should convince you to get your ass out of the city while you still can. What you are seeing is nothing compared to what you will see when one swipes the EBT, and shit is no longer free. You are going to see violence like you never thought you would see in in your once free republic. People go crazy when they don't have food and water.

Best thing I have ever done is get my family out of CT. I really can't think of a place in CT where I would feel safe in a collapse scenario. 

People had days of warning to prepare for this event, and look at what you are seeing. Imagine when the ponzi collapses like a thief in the night and people find out they can't get their next meal. I could have a lot more silver if I was still living the old paradigm of just in time, but Food and supplies is paramount. The silver only comes in handy if you have enough supplies to last until the rule of law restored.

Green Lantern, when the Universe wants to send you a gift, it usually comes wrapped up in a problem. Your ability to analyze and learn so quickly from what is happening around you is a gift. You have been given the time to get it right next time. Do well.

Mr. Fix
Nov 1, 2012 - 8:26pm

Thanks G L

I was wondering where everyone went after reading this on the other thread!

Nov 1, 2012 - 8:28pm

@33 and a turd

"Tomorrow's London Independent says Cameron is ready to send planes to bomb Iran"

Do you have a link? No news that I can see yet about this.

Nov 1, 2012 - 8:29pm

Thanks Guys

Thanks TF for making the separate post and a bigger thanks to the reports from those who are thereyes

There is no more an accurate report than from those who are in the middle of it. Bless you all.


I hope that the authorities can get things up before what is left in the pipeline runs out.

From out here, it seems the city should've stayed shut down until the necessities for the entire area are in place. This half on and get to work and half off can't get no where only seems to add to the frustration levels.

Nov 1, 2012 - 8:31pm

Just for a moment...

...I want to turn this back to the precious metals. I posted this because it an excellent, firsthand account of what is happening on the ground. However, I'm also trying to get everyone to appreciate the magnitude and gravity of the situation. 

The economic effect will be significant. Q4 GDP will be less than 1%, perhaps even negative. This will spill over into Q1 2013, too. Unemployment will soon rise again, back through 8% and toward 9%.

DO NOT LET THE SHILLS AND DISINFO AGENTS CONFUSE YOU TOMORROW. Regardless of the NFP, QE∞ will soon be raised to $85B+, likely as soon as the December FOMC.

Buy this dip if you haven't already.

Nov 1, 2012 - 8:33pm

Kingboo, Thank you for Your Posts

I wanted to be sure to publicly thank you for taking the time to post your observations and stories. I thank you and please be safe. Keep up the great reporting.

Nov 1, 2012 - 8:48pm


First and foremost, glad to hear that your doing OK and that you can get out of your home (and still have one) and have power etc. Your stunned account of the bleak situation on the ground is descriptively poignant.

This recovery will take lots of time and money to restore and replace as much as possible asap and the mother of all federal relief reconstruction programs ($500 bln-$1 trln?) might be in the future, and rightly so. Everything mechanical/electrical in nature and otherwise that was inundated by saltwater will need to be replaced. That's going to take lots of money and time and much of it is deep underground and the extent of the damage down there is still largely unknown.

It's going to take quite some time for 'normal' to return and I wouldn't be surprised if you don't start to hear of some type of small scale exodus at some point from the most effected area's that will take the longest to even get close to 'normal'. Patience or the ability to withstand or survive on some level (no paychecks) will wear thin quickly.

The physical landmarks of your memories might've vanished and quickly become 'the good ole' days' but at least your safe and unharmed. Pretty sad stuff and I can't really imagine how it must look or feel from where I live.

Hang tough GL.

Nov 1, 2012 - 8:50pm

Thank me? Thank you!

Thanks CL.....but you're the one who provides so much for Turdville....

Nov 1, 2012 - 8:52pm

Jon Stewart

making the best of a terrible situation. The first 10 minutes are worthwhile no matter what your politics. From the 5 minute mark on better and better. 

As an aside, I was from NJ with many memories of Asbury, Seaside and LBI. Still have many friends all over NJ. Not just near the shore, but in Northern NJ and West NJ who are all still without power. Everything these guys are saying in NY are crazy bad all over NJ.

Nuclear Rocketman
Nov 1, 2012 - 8:58pm


Here in Louisiana, we have been repeatedly beat up by hurricanes enough that some things have definitely changed. Many people now have portable generators and know to stock up on gas beforehand. People with more resources have installed whole-home generators and gas stations are now required to have a backup generator. However, the grocery stores still get cleaned out and stay closed when the lights go out, so having stored food and water is as important as ever. Thanks for the update GL.

Nov 1, 2012 - 9:06pm

@ranger30   yes, I know

@ranger30 yes, I know sheepshead bay pretty well and indeed it's a tight community. Every time I visit a friend and wait outside, 1/2 the neighborhood calls the friend to tell him that some strange guy is outside his house as if alarms go off in their house. Uncanny! Like you, many of them are life time residents as well as have both family and ethnic connections. Neighborhoods like that are rarer and rarer in NYC. Tons of neighborhoods in Bronx and Queens used to be that way. I think I can safely say neighborhoods like Sheepshead bay are a minority. But good to hear from you now I know my buddy is probably safe and not living in 4 inches of water. Although I have no idea how far up the water went in that area.

@ag1969, I'm well aware of the potential disruption of life that could be headed this way. I didn't need a disaster to wake me up to that reality. Sometimes cutting strings ain't as easy as packing the bags. Although it is in the game plans. 

Nov 1, 2012 - 9:12pm

Gold still lookin healthy

Full Article at

Still on the daily chart, spot gold found short-term support at 1700, penetrating the descending trendline. A stronger dollar would suggest further gold weakness but the $DXY primary trend remains down. Expect another test of $1700 but respect would signal a rally to $1800 per ounce*. A 63-day Twiggs Momentum trough above zero would signal a primary up-trend, while breakout above $1800 would confirm.

Nov 1, 2012 - 9:12pm

@nuclear rocketman

This is probably silly to say. I don't know much about Louisiana except visits to New Orleans. But I sometimes watch that show Swamp People? The guys that live in the Bayou that catch gator and frogs. Those guys are my hero's. They don't need to prep. they live off the land and have been doing so for generations. Those guys are 1st rate survivors.

Nov 1, 2012 - 9:15pm

To my earlier point...

Just found this on ZH:

"So the surprise for Q4? A negative GDP print. The next question is whether there will be a Q1 rebound. Remember, as I mentioned yesterday, three of the major four ingredients to the NBER (National Bureau of Economic Research) recession all peaked in tandem in July. And it would be a slam-dunk four if the service sector had already followed goods-producing payrolls on the road to perdition."

Nov 1, 2012 - 9:22pm

I simply do not get it

Why the fuel shortage?

The place is not cut off from the rest of the USA, road tankers can still get in freely. Yes maybe more gasoline is being consumed via generators but increasing deliveries ought not be too hard to predict and do.

Another thought - kinda brought on by Green lantern comment.

Imagine if we could only borrow 1 times our annual salary for a home. Earn 50K borrow 50K.

Yes, house prices would collapse - but then what? Imagine freeing up ALL that money to be able to spend into the economy.

Think about it. We borrow $500,000 now and both partners need to work flat out. Little Johnny gets no quality time - everyone stressed to death, up to the eyeballs in debt - demanding higher and higher salaries. Becoming less and less competitive on the world stage. AND FOR WHAT? so that the banksters can make an entry in a ledger and then get YOU to become a work SLAVE to pay THEM half +++ of your sweat and labour for the next 25 years!

Think about it. If you could just hand out paper to 1000 people with large amounts of money written them - causing those people to work like slaves for you for 25 years and paying you millions per year in interest while you sit on your ass. Then you tighten the money supply and foreclose on them. Then the REAL property becomes yours. AND YOU DID JACK to earn it!

No I say, limit borrowing for property - better yet, do away with it all together. You save and buy your place for cash. At a very reasonable price. Mothers can stay at home and form communities again, we all have more spare time and disposable income. We stop working for the banks and work for ourselves again.


Nov 1, 2012 - 9:26pm

@Green Lantern

"I don't know much about Louisiana"

Me neither, but your comment reminded me of this song. It's not 'perfect', ahem, but has something about it that I really like.

The Church - Louisiana
Southern Cross
Nov 1, 2012 - 9:26pm

Can I contribute some

Can I contribute some scriptural ideas?

One, I am not a perfect person, but I take my leed from scripture. First, I do not know God's timing. The end times could have already begun or it could be 200 years from now. What is interesting though is the US. Will the US be destoyed prior to the end times? I think this might be the case. The US does not seem to be found in end times scripture unless one considers the region referred to in Revelation as the great whore of Babylon. This particular society will be destoyed suddenly in "one hour." This reference indicates Babylon bought and sold goods all over the world and the merchants of the world greatly lament the loss of Babylon when it is suddenly destroyed. If you read the description my opinion is it fits the US. If so I would say we will be nuked at some point. This fits the description for the end of Babylon as written and the US seems to fit this reference. So how do we even know the Bible is true? 

Well it's by faith, but mathmatically one can prove the Bible knows what it is talking about. If there are 196 countries in the world, what are the odds of picking just one Country written about in a book or in this case the Bible without reading the book? The odds are 196 to one of picking the right Country. The Bible refers to four countries in end times, so knowing those four countries were picked over 3,000-4,000 years ago and written in the Old Testiment, what are the odds of the Bible picking all four that are relevant today in the world? The odds of the Bible picking all four countries and being right is 196 to the fourth power or to write the equation as 196 X 196 X 196 X 196 equals the answer. So what is the probability that the Bible picked all four countries involved in the end times. The answer is (first pick) 196 X 1 = 196 X (second pick) 196 = 38,416 X (third pick) 196 = 7,429,536 X (fourth pick) 196 = 1,475,789,056 . To summarize the odds to pick the four countries involved in the end times war is roughly one out of 1.4 billion combinations of possibilities. Now I know some skeptics will say well one can not know if the Bible is correct as the final war has not been fought. Right you are. However, if I was to ask you to guess who would fight the last war, who would you pick?

What are the Bibles picks? Russia, China, Iran, and Israel All are clearly referenced in the Bible.

Preppers I would place a Bible in your bug out bag beside that silver and gold.

Thanks for considering. 

Nov 1, 2012 - 9:29pm


fuel shortage is because. east coast is home to many of the countries refineries. Refineries are off line because of no electricity. Gas stations in 11 states are closed because of no electricity. So you have to find a gas station with both deliveries and electricity. No easy task. 

Nov 1, 2012 - 9:31pm

@GL and Kingboo

Just a little heads up I saw about on a local WNBC Channel 4 live video feed news cast about 4 o'clock in your guys area. They only mentioned it once for a brief moment, The feed is now just a test pattern.

This is the only other place I could find anything about it

"There have been reports of looting in the Tri-State area by folks posing as FEMA officials. Don't let anyone into your home w/o seeing ID"

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