And now for something completely different...

Mon, Oct 15, 2012 - 3:54pm

I found this article about two weeks ago but, until today, I hadn't seen it available in the internet.

It's rather timely, too, as quite a bit of time was devoted to "nuclear proliferation" during the recent, vice presidential debate. 

Look, The Turd is not a psychic, a soothsayer, a witch or a nuclear scientist. So, I have absolutely no freaking idea if the information provided by the author is credible or accurate. From a layman's perspective, though, it certainly seems like it is. If there are any actual nuclear scientists in the audience, perhaps they can share their expertise with the community and either confirm or deny the specifics of the article.

Please, I must ask once again that you avoid the temptation to hijack this thread into 9/11 & Iran vs Israel stuff. I present this material because I think it is important and I believe it requires your full consideration as you prepare for the turbulent events that seem to be coming over the horizon very soon.

"THE SEPTEMBER 11 ATTACKS brought to global public consciousness the fear that rogue nations might use nuclear weapons or transfer them to terrorist groups, or that terrorists might themselves make a nuclear bomb. The first fear has far more foundation than does the second. The good news is that it is very hard to make bombs; the bad news is that it is not impossible.

The magnitude of the nuclear threat posed by a terrorist state or a terrorist group sponsored by such a state can be shown via certain metrics—call them metrics of mass destruction. But let’s begin with baseline concepts....

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· Oct 15, 2012 - 3:55pm

surely not again

Are people sleeping out there?

the action in metals is not holding my attention

H - original · Oct 15, 2012 - 4:06pm


"Look, The Turd is not a psychic, a soothsayer, a witch or a nuclear scientist" TAXI!!


145Bluesman · Oct 15, 2012 - 4:18pm



Katie Rose · Oct 15, 2012 - 4:20pm

Top three????????????

Unbelievable! yes yes yes

edit to add:

The continuing saga of the starving deer......

A while back I wrote about the starving deer that had eaten my Sister's gorgeous flower baskets. She did some major damage around our property, and I was in big trouble.

It's hunting season, but there is no need to worry that this deer will become anybody's deer stew. She has found a very safe place to hang out.

My barn!

She has discovered the alfalfa in my barn. There are lots of lose flowers (the best part) around the stack, so she comes in at night, gorges on the alfalfa, then curls up and goes to sleep.

I knew there was a reason I bought an extra ton of alfalfa for the winter. I didn't know it was for a starving deer. wink

I really, really can not make this stuff up!

The nation's of this world may be heading to war, but life on the farm continues, and life is good! heart


I Run Bartertown · Oct 15, 2012 - 4:22pm

Something to ponder

Several years back, there was a 'wynter benton' type phenomenon called 'John Titor'. He had come from the future (for an IBM legacy machine, of all things). He mentioned that other world powers had nuked 'the US' in a war. But that, by that time, the US was in a civil war. The other powers targeted the cities and centers of government strength (naturally), which essentially won the war for Titor's side. So, aside from some no-go zones, life was vastly improved.

Silly all I'm saying...

Double Bogey · Oct 15, 2012 - 4:28pm

The cost of stacking: Priceless

I started stacking as I child when in 1964, my father bought me 5 1964 mint sets. He said someday, these will be worth alot, and taught me how to look for silver dimes and quarters when he got change. 1980 rolls around, just out of college, and I tell my dad I want to sell. He offers me 30 times face.

I think it was 5 years later when I got interested in investing and started picking up small amounts again. I think it was a Doug Casey newsletter that got me even more interested, and I wound up going to some dealer paying twice what I should for a few BU rolls of dimes along with some uncirculated morgans at inflated prices, and tried my hand at a few junior mining stocks. Then kids came along and savings got put on hold.

Started buying again in 2000 when silver was $5, and didn't buy what I could have because the premiums on ASE were $1.50. 30 freakin percent. 'sigh'

The older I got, the more discretionary money I had and put it to work in junk and maples. Of course one of my biggest purchases came before the 2011 meltdown. I remember back then being curious what my average cost was. I never did keep any records.

1 year ago today, I flew out to be with my dad who had just been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. I got to spend the last 2 weeks of his life with him, and still miss him every day. He taught me alot about saving, debt management, and in general, life. I attribute my little hoard to his encouragement almost 50 years ago.

The end of the story? I inherited his very modest coin collection, which included the $100+ face of silver I'd sold him some 30 years ago. We will be vilified in our stacking journey soon, and I for one won't wonder what my average cost is, I'll wonder why I didn't buy more ounces.

Mr. Fix · Oct 15, 2012 - 4:51pm

This is different.

We'll see how this goes..........

Maybe this years "October surprise" will include a mushroom cloud.

Road_Scholar · Oct 15, 2012 - 5:01pm

Not mentioned is a "dirty" bomb...

Any amount of enriched (radioactive) material just needs to be put together with standard explosives and exploded. The explosion scatters that crap all over the bomb blast area and also into the air resulting in many deaths later to radiation exposure. It's not contained within an area (like a reactor core) and therefore can't easily be "cleaned up".

Unfortunately, any terrorist organization that obtains any amount of nuclear material can build one. It doesn't even need to be "weapon-ized" to still be very effective...

I Run Bartertown · Oct 15, 2012 - 5:04pm

Katie Rose

Well, this post is true to form, for me, if nothing else.

My first thought is that I'd worry about the health of my goats. While I would feel sympathy for the sickly deer, I would first and foremost want to protect those I had an explicit obligation to. I'd want the deer to have a great life, but not if it meant destroying my goats' wellbeing.

Gold Five · Oct 15, 2012 - 5:06pm

It's the 21st century

The spread of technology is inevitable -- countries like Iran will eventually possess nuclear weapons.

The real question facing us now is how pissed off do we want these countries to be when they get one.

Mudsharkbytes · Oct 15, 2012 - 5:09pm

Lucky number seven

Papa needs a new pair of shoes, or I'll take one of these instead.

Dr G · Oct 15, 2012 - 5:18pm

Inauguration of new U.S

Inauguration of new U.S President Romney: Monday, January 21, 2013

The tipping point, Turd. There are simply more people that live off the government dole (and many that enjoy their free cellphones) than there are that contribute and pay taxes.

The tipping point has been achieved, Romney will not be elected.

LongGoldLongSilver · Oct 15, 2012 - 5:21pm

Never Seen...

...more reasons to hold physical gold and silver. I inherited my grandfathers silver coin collection a few years back. These coins are all ones that were used as currency back in the old days, and up until 5-6 years back it always seemed like a strange thing to collect. Oh boy, did he know what he was doing.

Just off the record, he was a cheap old man who never trusted any bank and kept most of his savings in cash in his own safe at home.


Gold stocks, silver stocks

ReachWest · Oct 15, 2012 - 5:22pm

Alarming, But Important Read

That is an excellent article. I was not aware of the fact that 90% enrichment is so close to commercial grade enrichment. While I'm certainly not qualified to comment in detail - the science discussed in the article appears to make sense.

I suspect there are numerous players on the geopolitical world stage that don't care about building a super-sophisticated weapon. They are more interesting in the psychological effects than the maximization of physical destruction.

This line sums it up well:

"Terrorists may find a nuclear jalopy more useful to their purposes than the search for a nuclear Ferrari."

Bugzy · Oct 15, 2012 - 5:42pm

Yes - those fanatics and nukes

Religious extremists with war mongering leaders and a dumbed down population, not to mention financially bankrupt, censored media, absence of free speech, break down in individual freedoms. Totalitarian dictatorship. Pretends to be a democracy yet was originally a republic......Invader of other countries, murderer of millions....... Yes- uncle sam has a lot to answer for.

As for those Iranian types........who knows.


Nuclear Rocketman · Oct 15, 2012 - 5:45pm

Nuclear expertise

I spent my entire career working in the US commercial nuclear power industry and can say that the portions of the article pertaining to nuclear power plant fuel enrichment are accurate.

It is important to recognize that uranium from a processing plant can be relatively easily handled, as new fuel (uranium) being delivered to a commercial nuclear plant basically arrives in a wooden box and is handled and inspected without special equipment or shielding. Once irradiated, however, as occurs during a fuel cycle at a power plant, the fuel becomes highly radioactive and would require extreme measures to deal with it. Therefore, I would presume that the typical bad guy would want enriched uranium from a processing plant like the one in Iran, not from a nuclear power plant. 

Air Garcia · Oct 15, 2012 - 5:46pm

What's to be made of this ... wynter_benton

October 16 to October 23, 2012

By wynter_benton . Oct 10, 2012 10:58 AM . Permalink

The Leader wishes to inform our followers that the group will be demonstrating our ability to move the price of silver between October 16 to October 23, 2012.
We will be updating our moves in real time during this period. Hold on to you seats because what you are about to see will dwarf what we did in February 2011. da, do da.....

Sentiment: Strong Sell

okay, so silver bumped up approximately $5.00 in feb 2011. HEH? I'm still holding my March 34's and 35's ... should have sold weeks ago, then could have re-loaded and probably doubled down by now with these digits. . .oh, well.

I feel your pain turd - it could be any moment and I don't want to get left on the sidelines chasing it. 

Zoltan · Oct 15, 2012 - 5:54pm

@Air Garcia

Old news brother.

Take it to the forums.


 PS I'm with IRB, you need to find a good marskman to down that deer and bury him six feet under. JMHO. Love the goat stories. Take care.

Katie Rose · Oct 15, 2012 - 6:08pm

@ I Run Bartertown

I am concerned as well about my goat's well being. But there is no way I can keep the deer (any deer) away from the goats.

My goat pasture is large and partially sub-irrigated. That means I have the only green grass in the vicinity. When I bring the goats in at night, the deer are waiting for an opportunity to feed on the green pasture.

My barn is open in the front, as it used to be a huge hay barn. All kinds of animals come in and out of it. We leave fresh water outside for the animals every evening, as we have had no rain in nearly two months, and everything is bone dry. I have very secure stalls for the goats.

I am thinking about leaving some grain for the deer mixed with herbal wormer. I'm thinking that may be her problem. Perhaps just getting rid of parasites is all she needs.

It sure does seem that if any of you have been contemplating purchasing a rural bug out farm/ cabin now is the time to get serious.

With Fall underway, sellers are anxious to unload their properties before winter sets in. Many are simply unable to carry them through the snowy months when sales are nearly non-existent.

I simply can not imagine facing the days ahead without a rural location to flee to. You also may want to check wind patterns before you begin your search, to learn the prevailing wind patterns over larger, urban targets. Obviously you will not want to be upwind from a major target.

We certainly are living in "interesting times", and I am grateful for each day of peace here on USA soil.

One more thing before I take a nap, a friend just spent 75 days in jail for an old DWI. While there, he learned many things from fellow prisoners, most of which blew his mind.

I believe the one that shocked him the most was a discussion he had with a fellow inmate in for a DWI as well. He was told that the inmate's rural neighbor has a contract with the Federal Government to train gun sniffing dogs for in home gun confiscation. Apparently there is a big push now for having trained dogs for this purpose, and his neighbor is training many, many dogs at this time....

silver foil hat · Oct 15, 2012 - 6:09pm

From Turd's link:

"The 2013 Presidential Inauguration will be held in Washington DC on Monday, January 21, 2013. By law, the President must take his Oath of Office on January 20th before noon. Since the 20th falls on a Sunday, there will be a private ceremony on that date and the public ceremony will be held the following day."

Romney will be at work, officially, before the public ceremony?

My oh my. Can already see the lamestream media headlines: Romney: First Day On Job, Takes Time Off To Party.



Nuclear Rocketman · Oct 15, 2012 - 6:10pm

Thank you, Rocketman!

David Bowie - Space Oddity (stereo version)
Grigeo · Oct 15, 2012 - 6:12pm


Never met or read about a farmer being so sentimental about a deer before. I have heard expressions such as "rats with hooves" though. Farmers have a tough life, and sentimentality is a commodity they can't afford.

I'm sentimental also though (bird lover). I would drag that deer out back for the vultures. Beautiful creatures those vultures. To each his own, and it is your alfalfa.

¤ · Oct 15, 2012 - 6:17pm


 My belief is that a attack of some sort happens around Pakistan or the ME before it happens here. It's inevitable that someone else use's a nuke of some sort against the U.S. at some point in the future.

I believe it's far more likely that Iran scuttles a ship (or a submarine) with some type of radioactive or equally poisonous material that pollutes or blocks a major shipping channel hear the Straight of Hormuz or the Suez Canal area. A radioactive device doesn't need to explode to be effective on a large scale for a long period of time.

That would be a significant development and easier to accomplish for someone over there who wants or needs a war to happen to fulfill some wacked out prophecy of a hidden mahdi or 12th imam emerging into the world.

My conclusion: Living in fear of 'what if's' in a iffy world is an endless exercise in worry and it's not helpful to do so or even necessary. Live each day with the appreciation of all the little and simple things in life you're fortunate to have and never give a second thought to.

Living in fear is a choice. no

I Run Bartertown · Oct 15, 2012 - 6:18pm


Buzzards & Worms Need To eat
benque · Oct 15, 2012 - 6:22pm

Fearless Felix is dating Miss Bright

There was a young lady named Bright,

Who travelled much faster than light.

She left home one day,

In a relative way,

And returned home the previous night.

Torpedo Fish · Oct 15, 2012 - 6:22pm

wynter benton in action

the shiny going up exactly as predicted !

: ))))))))) 

Bugzy · Oct 15, 2012 - 6:23pm

Well worth a look

Gold, Paper Money and America, Show 14 Dollars and Sense
I_ate_the_crow · Oct 15, 2012 - 6:24pm

For those who are short on

For those who are short on time I have summarized the article for you:

Fear fear fear fear fear fear fear, hate. Fear fear fear, fear fear fear fear fear; fear. Fear hate hate fear, fear fear fear. Fear.

At this stage in the game there is no difference between willful ignorance and purposeful deception.

Let’s start with the author, John C. Wohlstetter. Johnny boy is a senior fellow at The Discovery Institute, “an American non-profit public policy think tank” – i.e. a propaganda distributer – best known for its advocacy of intelligent design. Founded in 1990, the institute describes its purpose as promoting "ideas in the common sense tradition of representative government, the free market and individual liberty." Ah yes, they all promote such things. It sounds so good, doesn’t it!?

I just have to sit with bewildered amusement at some of things I read these days, such as The Discovery Institute’s amazingly named “Wedge Strategy”, put forth in its manifesto known as the Wedge Document, which describes a broad social, political, and academic agenda whose ultimate goal is to defeat materialism, naturalism, evolution, and "reverse the stifling materialist world view and replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions.” The strategy also aims to affirm God's reality – (i.e. The Christian Gods Reality™) – Its goal is to change American culture by shaping public policy to reflect conservative Christian, namely evangelical Protestant values.

Do you think this has anything to do with the conclusion of this article?“ONCE ONE REALIZES THE IMPLICATIONS of the metrics presented, and contemplates nuclear weapons falling into the hands of Islamists…..American policymakers—and the population as well—should understand that nuclear capability can be acquired by hostile powers leveraging off a commercial program, upon intent formed on the spur of the moment, and with a path to rapidly attain weapon status once all necessary materials are in place……which makes denying access to critical materials the front line of defense against proliferation by America’s enemies – i.e. we didn’t show you Bibbi’s ACME bomb but you get the picture. I’m curious if this includes all Islamists, or only the terrorist organizations the government funds, such as MEK?

Anyways, this is a classic example of how this system operates, because the fraud of Darwin and its connections to Eugenics, Tavistock, and transhumanism is well documented. But then they take that fraud and produce a movement, intelligent design, which funnels you into a provided opposition structure they control. This one is easier than most because it supports already predefined religious belief systems, but the result is the same: the science as religion zealots hate the religious fundamentalists, and vice-versa.

But wait, there’s more.

The Discovery Institute was founded in 1990 as a non-profit educational foundation and think tank. It was founded as a branch of the Hudson Institute. The managing editor of The American Spectator, R Emmet Tyrell Jr., is an adjunct fellow of the Hudson Institute.

According to its mission statement, the Hudson Institute "challenges conventional thinking and helps manage strategic transitions to the future through interdisciplinary and collaborative studies in defense, international relations, economics, culture, science, technology, and law. Through publications, conferences and policy recommendations, we seek to guide global leaders in government and business."

Sounds great!

It was described by US foreign policy scholars John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt as “closely associated with the AIPAC and the neoconservatives. Well gee golly, I wonder if that has anything to do with this fear-mongering, terrorists are gonna get us at home article from the American Spectator. Nevermind the fact that Israel uses its nukes to prevent someone putting an end to Palestinian genocide, but I digress.

The Hudson Institute has taken positions critical of environmentalism. Dennis Avery, as Director of the Hudson's Center for Global Food Issues, has written in opposition to those who favor the adoption of organic agricultural methods.

Now those of you who still have a functioning brain and common sense (I wonder sometimes) will likely ask yourself, why in the world would any organization write in opposition to food that doesn’t make you sterile, destroy your organs, or give you cancer?

The Hudson Institute is supported by donations from companies and individuals. Corporate contributors listed in a publication from 2001 included Eli Lilly and Company, Monsanto Company, DuPont, Dow-Elanco, Sandoz, Ciba-Geigy, ConAgra, Cargill, and Procter & Gamble

HA! Now Turd based on what you wrote I assume you have a subscription to the Spectator because "you hadn't seen it online yet"? And yet in your store you have a link to non-gmo survival seeds. I would hope that you will do the right thing and cancel your subscription to this propaganda immediately. Unless you want to support the murderers by continuing to post stuff like this on your website, that is. Your choice I guess.

Fundraising efforts use testimonials from what the Institute calls its "family of generous supporters and friends", among them, Henry Kissinger, who provides a testimonial: "Hudson Institute is today one of America's foremost policy research centers, in the forefront of study and debate on important domestic and international policy issues, known and respected around the globe, a leader in innovative thinking and creative solutions to the challenges of the present and the future.”

HAHA. This is probably my favorite part as it underscores the hypocrisy that the controlled libertarian movement thrives on:

While many conservative think tanks eschew government funding, Hudson happily takes government contracts. The Capital Research Center (CRC) database lists Hudson as having received six grants between 1996 and 2002 totaling $731,914 (unadjusted for inflation). Five of the six grants were from the Department of Justice Office of Justice Programs.

Free markets baby! Oh and get them terrorists over there so they can’t get us over here!

Again, at this stage in the game there is no difference between willful ignorance and purposeful deception.

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