Weekend Review

Sat, Sep 22, 2012 - 12:16pm

What an interesting week. Instead of volatility, we got containment and flatlines. Something tells me next week won't be the same.

Ponder this for a moment, QE∞ is announced as official Fed policy last Thursday. That day gold, the only alternative currency to steadily-debasing fiat, responds with a $38 move. Frankly, I would have expected more but, given the Cartel propensity for containing daily moves at either the +1% or +2% levels, $38 seemed about right. However, over the next five days, would you have expected this?

  • Friday, 9/14: net change +$0.60
  • Monday, 9/17: -$2.10
  • Tuesday, 9/18: +$0.60
  • Wednesday 9/19: +$0.50
  • Thursday 9/20: -$1.50

So, cumulatively over the next five days trading in gold, immediately following the long-awaited announcement of QE∞, the total change was down $1.90. Huh?? And, again, it's not like we saw the +$20, -$22, +$31 kind of volatility you would have expected. Very strange and, once again, subtle evidence of the outright blatant and ongoing manipulation and "managed ascent" of the paper price by The Gold Bullion Banking Cartel.

To no one's surprise, this week's CoT continued the trend of Cartel naked short issuance to contain price. Again, I'm not really sure who wrote the mandate that JPM, DB et al have to act as market makers in the metals but, for some reason, that is the role they allege to play. Spec money comes into the pit and the banks issue the highly-leveraged paper. Not content to see price bid up as the spec bids search for willing sellers of existing contracts, The Cartel, instead, simply issues brand new contracts to satisfy demand.

In doing so, The Gold Cartel added another 18,196 short contracts this week and brought their net short ratio back up to an astonishingly dangerous (to them) 2.68:1. Why is this so dangerous, you ask? Because they are continuing to play this game as if none of the fundamentals have changed. This is no longer 2002 or 2008. It's not even 2011. We are near The End Game for fiat currency and the "creditor nations" around the globe recognize this. The are readily exchanging their rapidly-devaluing fiat for hard assets, gold in particular. This insatiable physical demand underpins the paper market and makes precipitous, short-covering drops, like we've seen The Cartel execute in the past, all but impossible. Oh sure, there will still be selloffs and beatdowns...Heck, we saw one yesterday...but incessant physical demand forces The Cartel to quickly turn tail and buy in order to cover and secure the metal required to meet the allocations sought at every London fix.

So, again, look to buy the dips. Not every $5 dip, mind you, but any substantial dip the pushes price back to obvious support points. Right now, the obvious area is around $1755-1760. IF a dip develops early next week, I'll be all over it. Gold looks certain to soon blast through $1780 and then $1800. From there, I expect a rapid move toward the old all-time highs of $1920. At that point, gold could, once again, get disorderly to the upside, similar to what we saw in August of 2011. It will likely break out and UP through the long-term channel again and head toward and through $2000.

And here is a long-term chart of gold priced in euros. Recall that we've been discussing for weeks how euro/gold was getting well ahead of dollar/gold and that dollar gold would eventually catch up. A month ago, euro/gold was showing that $1800 gold was coming. Now, euro gold makes it look like $1920 gold is only about a month away. (Chart courtesy Trader Dan: https://www.traderdannorcini.blogspot.com/2012/09/euro-gold-on-track-for-all-time-high.html)

And JPM and their pals continue to play games with silver, blissfully unaware that their dynasty has ended. Just last week, they added another 2,880 short contracts in a vain attempt to pin price below $35 and protect the vulnerable buy-stops near $35.50 that, if tripped, would send silver quickly toward $37.50. Oh well, screw 'em. So they "won" this week. Whatever. They're just going to lose eventually so what's another week of waiting. Now at a total gross short position of 82,358 contracts and a net short ratio of 2.58:1, The Silver Cartel is sitting on a powderkeg of their making. Boy is it ever going to be fun to watch it explode right under them.

As The Doc pointed out yesterday, The Forces of Darkness expended a lot of ammunition yesterday in a desperate attempt to start a cascade and keep price under $35. ( https://www.silverdoctors.com/cartel-dumped-2x-annual-us-silver-production-on-market-in-15-min-to-smash-silver-under-35/) They now find themselves in a bit of a jam as we head into Tuesday. They'll need to cover quite a few contracts before the 1:25 EDT close that day or they risk showing their footprints on next week's CoT. What will they do? Cover, of course! Now the question is, will they gamble by raiding first and hoping for a steep enough selloff that they can cover the raid "material" and more on the way back up? Maybe but I doubt it. Physical demand will easily blunt the dip again just as it did yesterday. Their only logical choice, after being thwarted yesterday, is to begin to cover yesterday's new shorts as early as Monday, otherwise they risk a significantly "Happy Tuesday" that blows out those $35.50-area buy stops and send price toward $37+. What to do, what to do. A whole lot of choices, all of them bad. HAHAHAHAHA! You did this to yourselves, you arrogant bastards, and now you're stuck. You'll get no sympathy around here.

And in case the action in crude this week left you feeling that global peace and harmony were right around the corner, I give you this to ponder: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-09-22/head-irans-revolutionary-guards-war-israel-will-occur

In that same vein, I was contacted this week by a nice guy who asked me to link a few of his prepping articles. I certainly hope you are using this time to full consider these topics: https://destinysurvival.com/2012/09/03/food-storage-how-to-calculate-for-your-needs/ & https://www.emergencyfoodstorage101.com/2012/08/07/being-prepared-for-power-outages/. Of course (shameless plug coming), you can find many of these items by visiting the Turdmart, a link to which is conveniently placed at the top of each page but copied below for your convenience.


I hope that everyone has a safe, fun and relaxing weekend. Come back on Monday and be prepared for a week that is considerably more volatile and interesting than this past one was.


11:00 pm (23:00) EDT Sunday UPDATE:

So, what the hell happened at 20:58? Anyone have a guess? I do but, first, let's look at the charts:

At exactly the same time, the POSX began an uptrend that carried it 20 ticks higher over the next hour.

So, what we likely have here is another HFT algo (WOPR) run amok. True Cartel hit jobs rarely impact so many markets across the board. On a light volume Sunday night, a brainless computer "saw" the uptick in The Pig and began program selling.

Regardless of instigator or intention, it is going to be very difficult to break down paper price much further. Difficult but not impossible. That said, I will be very surprised to see the metals considerably lower in the morning as there is no reason to expect a buyers strike in London on Monday. As mentioned Friday, gold should have considerable support near $1750. Silver will continue to find bids, just as it did two hours ago, near $33.50.

Hang in there and try not to panic. If protracted selling does come in, consider it a blessing. Please consider any and all bouts of price weakness as opportunities to add to your stack.


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Sep 24, 2012 - 6:37am


"If you truly believe that electing Romney or Obama will put the nation on the right track and a path to renewed shared prosperity, fiscal sanity, greatly reduced unemployment and an end to too-big-to-fail crony capitalism, then you have been brainwashed by the right or left or are well into Alzheimer’s disease.'



NB: I'm European. Either way, Obomney will win. Unless it's General Petraeus to the rescue?


Sep 24, 2012 - 6:41am

I seem to remember...

I seem to remember Turd and others warning about volatility. This may be much ado about nothing, or not. We shall see.

I may end up buying a little early this month.

Sep 24, 2012 - 7:05am

Don't worry, he attacks both parties - but the point is:

Barack Obama shrugs, but the debt keeps mounting

A fiscal horror is unfolding on the president’s watch, yet few seem concerned

By Jeff Randall7:03AM BST 24 Sep 2012

For those of us who admire the United States and are hoping it will rediscover economic virtue and the road to recovery, last week was particularly unsettling. Both sides in the fight for the White House displayed an ignorance of fiscal issues more usually associated with contestants in a pub quiz. It was intriguing, however, that while Mitt Romney’s blunder made headlines across the globe, Barack Obama’s seemed not to disturb America’s mainstream media and went largely unreported beyond the US. The difference was that, whereas Mitt Romney impugned the integrity of millions of fellow citizens, dismissing 47 per cent of them as scroungers, the president merely insulted the nation’s collective intelligence – and almost no one seemed to care.


They will not tackle this problem in any way other than printing. It is just too easy for them.

Green Lantern
Sep 24, 2012 - 7:09am

I seem to remember Turd and

I seem to remember Turd and others warning about volatility. This may be much ado about nothing, or not. We shall see

When I met with Rick Rule, he pulled out a piece of paper. He drew a line about 85% upward sloping, and another one downward sloping. Kind of like an EKG. He said to me, "For the rest of your mortal life, you can expect volatility that looks like this! Nothing less" And handed me the paper.

On one of the many Catherine Fitts Austin interviews recently posted, she said basically the same thing. She warns people of the extreme volatility inherent in this market.

I don't know if any of you remember I did a video last year at Occupy WAll Street which Turd posted. I interviewed some guy in the crowd that invest in a gold etf. A week later, it went down something like 20% and it scared the shit out of him. (getting paranoid about my expletives) He sold all his gold. You bet that those who are not informed and thinking about gold see the samething and stay on the sidelines.

When the metals start going parabolic, that's when you really have to be worried.

For the rest of your life...........

Sep 24, 2012 - 7:17am

Hope they both get beaten

Hope they both get beaten back by 10% to 15% over the coming weeks. Highly unlikely but would be great timing. I still have more to buy and have the cash to do it. We'll see.

Sep 24, 2012 - 7:21am

QEi = epic fail?

At the risk of being flamed, I think todays action is more down to 'sentiment' than manipulation.

Stocks down, commodities down, all metals down, gold down, dollar up. 'Risk-off', as they say.

That gold is now correlated with 'risk-on' sentiment is wierd, but it's been that way for some time.

The takeaway may be that the half-life of the Bernanke infinite put (QEi) in terms of it's ability to fool markets into thinking everything is A-OK is now a couple of weeks.

"You can fool all of the people some of the time....."

Sep 24, 2012 - 7:30am

Island Guy

Agree on both counts - profanity should be reserved for special occasions, not disagreement on a blog*; and the multifarious powers that be do not cause all things - but they profit from most everything. That is one of the reasons conspiracy theories about the powerful gain so much momentum - as we look to the past and attempt to build a narrative we see the same people rising to the top, and assume that they planned it that way. What they planned was to rise to the top, irregardless of what occurred. Not saying 'they' don't pull off their nefarious plans occasionally, or even often - but they have many plans and run with the most plausible at the time. They will profit from volatility, if they cannot profit from trend, in the metals.

*as the 'argument' in favour of profanity actually proved with the lifeboat example, in which the unexpected use of 'fucking' might help motivate someone who was panicking. If however the person wanting to spur the people to action always swore, he would have been without that power when he needed it. And I have to agree, it isn't hard. What is hard, and fucking depressing, is having to defend civility - especially to a group of people who are meant to be wanting to help one another. Being deliberately obtuse is almost as irritating as the stream of foul language.

Sep 24, 2012 - 7:57am



Sep 24, 2012 - 8:31am

Ned states here that it won't

Ned states here that it won't be long. Discussed toward the end of the podcast.

TFMR Podcast #28 - Ned Naylor-Leyland discusses the miners

Sep 24, 2012 - 8:47am

@withoutwax: Patreaus

"Unless it's General Petraeus to the rescue?"

I have been worried about that man for years. The way he is fawned on by both parties and the media has had me thinking he has been in the pipeline for the American Napoleon for a long time. The prefect Man on a White Horse.

Just A Regular Guy
Sep 24, 2012 - 8:49am

@ Green Lantern

Lol. Seriously, lol. People that get scared lol! If you don't have the dollars to be "investing" read: Gambling then get out of the casino.

I guess I say that from a past of gamblor-ing! Now I don't play so much, but that's ok I don't mind. I crushed some souls playing poker, but I'm convinced online poker is rigged.... but that's a story for another day (my all in EV versus actual EV was so disgustingly negatively correlated it was a joke).

You can't take a 5-day view of things, look at monthly, 6-monthly etc.... I mean we all know this (I assume), but seriously so funny. I wish I was on the other side of that -20% and was buying

But yea the volatility is kinda standard. So many people whine about it on some of the message boards I check it beggars belief.... just BTFD!!!! Easy game!

Anyway, funny post

On another note Bloomberg is pumping out the "Please citizens be bag-men for the US Debt" story (I don't have the link for the first article I saw about 20mins ago, now for round two!)



silver foil hat
Sep 24, 2012 - 8:51am

So that's why metals are raided overnight...


Apple supplier halts China factory after violence By JOE McDONALD | Associated Press – 1 hr 10 mins ago

BEIJING (AP) — The company that makes Apple's iPhones suspended production at a factory in China on Monday after a brawl by as many as 2,000 employees at a dormitory injured 40 people.....

AAPL will drop today and can't have the metals considered a safe haven with the market dropping.

Also I guess they won't need a day's worth of (physical) silver in the manufacturing..... so TPTB can sell 100 days of paper supply....

Sep 24, 2012 - 9:20am


I have an old 'post-it' on my office wall, predicting that the next US President will be Gen. Patraeus. Cannot now remember where I read it, but it was a prediction on one of the blogs I follow, talking years ago of martial law being introduced before the next US election, and Joe Six-Pack welcoming a military man as someone neutral...

Seems it's all going according to plan, then!

Maybe this was what I read, years ago?


Sep 24, 2012 - 9:23am

Petraeus is no Eisenhower

what I want to know are Pretraeus's ties to Monsanto.

onealpha WhyMeLord
Sep 24, 2012 - 9:29am

@whyMeLord - Coffee

Nice to see another roaster here. I own a iRoast which i started with some years ago. I now have a Behmor which i like a lot but i still use the iRoast. I also use Sweetmarias.com. I have tried many different coffees over the years. I enjoy the sumatra and always have plenty on hand but my favorite daily roast is Ethiopian. I like to try a lot of stuff and usually keep some Kona on hand also. This years selection of Ethiopians has a couple that roast to Fc+ and have fantastic flavor with low acidity and nice chocolatey flavors.

Sep 24, 2012 - 9:40am

@UraniumSprings: Very cheap way of identifying fake coins

Coins may be too thin for the cheap ultrasonic thickness gauge. Here's an alternative I've tried. You know how experienced buyers will flip a silver coin in the air and listen to the ring? The ringing frequency is affected by the same physical characteristics that the ultrasonic testers use. But if we are not experienced, how can we tell for sure? For $4.95 I bought a very professionally done app for my Android smartphone. It's called Speedy Spectrum Analyzer. It displays a continuous Fast Fourier Transform (FFT) of the sound coming in the microphone. It captures peaks and labels them with the exact numeric frequencies. Flicking the coin in the air with your thumb makes a very pure sound, but it goes past the phone very fast. OK, I guess. Suspending the coin in a baggie and hitting it with a piece of wood is so-so. The sound is pretty muffled. The easiest and best technique I've tried is to spin the coin on a hard surface. When it rattles to a stop, it makes a long, loud, clear sound. Simply dropping it on a hard surface is almost as good. I don't know any way to find out the correct frequencies other than to compare them with a known good coin of the same kind. Forget it if the coin is packaged tightly in plastic, because the high frequency peaks (around 7,000 to 10,000) are muted and smothered in noise. No doubt coins that have any significant wear will have their frequencies shifted. I haven't tried it. What if you don't have a smartphone? I Google'd "microsoft windows fft analyzer freeware" and got 147,000 hits. There must be something out there that uses the microphone input on the computer.

Sep 24, 2012 - 9:43am

Just getting started on

Just getting started on typing a new post.

In the meantime, watch the action post-PM fix very closely. It's likely that last night's action has sown some doubt in the minds of weak-handed longs. IF The Cartels are going to try to jam things down, they'll likely start sometime after 10:00 EDT.

We'll see...

Strongsidejedi TF
Sep 24, 2012 - 10:25am

MENA - Iran comments on preemptive strike


NBC is fanning the winds of war with an article that claims to have translated comments of an Iranian general. The comments include that the Iranian military reserves the right to "preemptively strike" other targets including Israel and US bases in the region in the event that the Iranian government becomes convinced that an Israeli strike is coming.

Note that this comes just after undiplomatic comments from Netanyahu in Israel.

It is interesting to see the wheels coming off the diplomatic hinges in many regions. Each major continent has various things occurring between nations. The biggest one for the US has to be the rift between Japan and China regarding the Senkaku Islands between Taiwan and Okinawa. China is challenging the Japanese government's claim by sending Chinese Naval ships to that area. There have already been physical altercations in that area between Japanese coast guard and Chinese naval assets. That corridor is also a chief route for China to exist the ports at Shanghai and cruise through the waters in those areas for US territory (shipping interest but also naval military interest as well).

One wonders if the absence of US 7th Fleet assets from the region (one month ago said to be deployed in MENA/Iran/Persian gulf area) has been noted by the unstable Chinese government.

The man who stole a leopard
Sep 24, 2012 - 10:25am
Sep 24, 2012 - 10:30am

Detecting fake bars - easy low tech test

On detecting fake silver and gold, one simple test we use (no fancy equipment or good hearing required) is simply to drag a strong magnet across the suspect bar or coin. Get a four stack of those small circular neodymium magnets from Lee Valley. If the bar is 999 gold, or silver of 80% or better, the magnet will very clearly "drag" on the metal. Best way is to angle the bar at say 30 degrees, and let the magnet slide down. If it's good metal the magnet appears to "ooze" as it slides down. This is based on the electrical conductivity of the bar - small eddy currents are set up in the bar which retard the magnet. If you do this a few times you can get a feel for it. Caveat is that copper has a similar drag - but if there's no drag, or a weak one - it's not pure gold or 75% or better silver or copper. The thicker the metal the stronger the effect - you get a feel for it pretty quick.

Of course if the magnet clamps to, or is attracted to the metal, the metal is ferro magnetic (and contains iron or nickle or cobalt or gadolinium) and is very clearly not gold or silver.

thurd aye
Sep 24, 2012 - 10:30am


Naylor link points back to this page and on and on.

Sep 24, 2012 - 10:30am


Time to extend our time frames for stacking, myself preferring a Romney /Ryan managed misery in 2012 and beyond, even tptb would support the potential gained from additional manipulations of the contest, and besides are we not the ones who "don't need no stinking badges" No?

Sep 24, 2012 - 10:34am

Monday morning coffee

Good to see the coffee roasting discussion reborn. I started following the thread that Mudsharkbytes linked to back when it started and in January bought a Behmor 1600 roaster. I had no previous experience roasting coffee. But it is really such a simple process and does not take long once you learn some very basic things.

I roast both caffeinated (for my wife) and decaf (for me). I have settled on SM's Liquid Amber espresso for my wife and for the decaf, after many trials, found one I like: Coffeebeandirect.com 's CO2 Decaf Espresso. I roast both to about FC+, sometimes a little longer if I'm feeling lucky. Works great.

I roast right on top of my stove so I can turn on the vent hood when the smoke starts. The Behmor doesn't smoke too much but it is still more than I like in the house.

BTW, a couple of times I ran out of my wife's coffee and I put the decaf in the espresso machine and she noticed right away that she wasn't getting that pickmeup. That's why she's the boss of the house--I can't fool her!

Sep 24, 2012 - 10:37am

Tunsten Playbook

The last time this happened was Mar 26, 2012. The drilled, then refilled with Tungsten bars made the rounds.

This was about 2-1/12 months after the market bottomed and started its run up to the mid 30's

And now. Geez...It was July/August when the market bottomed....I'd guess that a Tungsten story should show up around the end of September. How stupid do "they" think we are...

Did the FBI get the guys who did the Tungsten job in March? Surely, the folks that bought this stuff told them who they bought it from....This stuff is not difficult. You just threaten jail time until you hit the rung on the ladder that sticks.

The Tungsten story is bullshit propaganda. Is it real? Probably. Is it much of the market? How could it be? If it were true an pervasive the price would be skyrocketing as those with real pure gold would be holding something which suddenly was found to be very very dear.

silver foil hat
Sep 24, 2012 - 10:46am

Even those that flood paper into the market will be judged...

Rimmer and Cat Inquisition - Red Dwarf - BBC

Somehow I don't think they'll be able to get away with these arguments.... even with the judge as portrayed.

Sep 24, 2012 - 10:47am

Commodities Drop on Euro Crisis Fears, US Data Eyed for Reprieve

Commodities are facing broad-based selling pressure overnight as broad-based risk aversion grips financial markets. Growth-geared crude oil and copper prices are following Asian shares lower while gold and silver are facing de-facto selling pressure as haven flows buoy the US Dollar. Newswires chalked up the sour mood to emerging signs of discord between French and German leaders on the “banking union” component of the Eurozone’s debt crisis management efforts. Asked about the time frame for the setup at a joint press conference, French President Hollande said “the earlier, the better” while Germany’s Merkel countered that the arrangement “has to be thorough, the quality has to be good and then we’ll see how long it takes.”

Looking ahead, the spotlight turns to September’s Dallas Fed Manufacturing Activity gauge. The report marks the first in a series of regional factory-sector surveys on tap this week and will help shape a timely outlook on where growth trends in the world’s top economy are pointing in the third quarter. Consensus forecasts continue to suggest US growth will accelerate while Europe sinks into recession and Asia posts a meaningful slowdown this year. This means establishing the extent to which a firmer US recovery can offset headwinds elsewhere is formative for risk appetite.

US data has increasingly outperformed expectations over the past three weeks (according to data compiled by Citigroup); more of the same this time around may underpin risk appetite trends and countervail current negativity. Needless to say, a softer print has scope to amplify the selloff. In the interim, Germany’s IFO Survey of business confidence is due to cross the wires. Expectations call for a slight pick-up on the headline Business Climate gauge, snapping four consecutive months of losses. A benign result has scope to boost risk appetite given the Eurozone’s centrality in driving the global economic slowdown, and vice versa.

WTI Crude Oil (NY Close): $92.89 // +0.47 // +0.51%

Prices are testing support at 91.56, the 38.2% Fibonacci retracement, after taking out the bottom of a rising channel carved out since early July. A break downward targets the 50% level at 88.83. The channel bottom – now at 94.96 – has been recast as resistance. A push back above that aims to challenge a falling trend line set from late February (now at 99.38).

Daily Chart - Created Using FXCM Marketscope 2.0

Spot Gold (NY Close): $1773.10 // +4.50 // +0.25%

Prices continue to stall after taking out resistance at a falling trend line connecting major swing highs since early November 2011. Near-term resistance is at 1790.55, with a break above that targeting 1802.80. The trend line – now at 1756.94 – has been recast as support. A push back below that boundary sees initial downside barriers at 1725.87 and 1687.84, the 23.6% and 38.2% Fibonacci retracements respectively.

Daily Chart - Created Using FXCM Marketscope 2.0

Spot Silver (NY Close): $34.53 // -0.14 // -0.40%

Prices are turning lower from resistance at 34.80, the 76.4%Fibonacci retracement. Initial support lines up in the 32.93-33.14 area, marked by a horizontal pivot level and the 61.8% Fib, with a break below this boundary exposing the 50% level at 31.79. Alternatively, a break above resistance aims to challenge 36.89.

Daily Chart - Created Using FXCM Marketscope 2.0

COMEX E-Mini Copper (NY Close): $3.790 // +0.030 // +0.80%

Prices continue to stall below resistance at a falling trend line set from early February (3.831). A break higher exposes swing highs at 3.955 and 3.988. Near-term support lines up at 3.707, the 23.6% Fibonacci retracement level. A push below that targets the 38.2% level at 3.627.

Daily Chart - Created Using FXCM Marketscope 2.0

--- Written by Ilya Spivak, Currency Strategist for Dailyfx.com

Sep 24, 2012 - 10:48am

@winemaker - Coffee

Excellent to see yet another home roaster on the board. Your right, it is not very difficult to roast coffee. The first time is always intimidating, more so with the iRoast than the Behmor because when you read the help online they spend so much time going over the roasting temps and times. But with the Behmor it is pretty difficult to mess up. Just listen for first crack and second crack if you want a darker roast. The reward is so worth the 20 minutes or so it takes to roast the coffee. I am not a decaf drinker but have made some for family and was truly impressed that decaf could taste so good. There is truly no comparison with store bought coffee or even Charbucks coffee. What the general public considers coffee I consider survival preps. If you consider yourself a lover of coffee you owe it to yourself to at least find a local coffee roaster who produces fresh roast coffee daily.

Sep 24, 2012 - 10:49am

@Turd - Weak Handed Longs

"It's likely that last night's action has sown some doubt in the minds of weak-handed longs."

You are correct. Just scan through all the comments on this thread. You'll see charts posted referencing huge beat downs in the metals in the past. You'll notice other postings who's subject line includes both the words "cartel" and "beatdown". Interesting psychological game these metal markets are.

Just by observing the chatter on this website one can indeed see doubt sown.


The man who stole a leopard
Sep 24, 2012 - 10:57am

Hungry? Unwrap a candy bar

As long as it's not your 10 oz bar... who gives a shit?

Sep 24, 2012 - 11:01am




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