Hangin' With Winston

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Wed, Jul 25, 2012 - 9:31pm

Earlier today, I was able to track down my pal, Winston. We've both been otherwise occupied for the past few weeks so we had quite a bit of catching up to do.

My intention was to write this up late morning today. Then it was going to be late afternoon. Now it's late evening and I'm just getting started. I'd better cut to the chase. Here are the high points:

  • Physical demand in London continues to be extraordinarily strong. Yes, the reports we've seen on other websites are accurate.
  • Chinese interests are the biggest, most consistent buyers of size. The recent reports of 315 tonnes imported YTD is simply the "tip of the iceberg" and/or "the amount they couldn't conceal".
  • Very strong interest of late in demand for gold priced in euro. I told him I didn't quite understand this phenomenon. He said it's two things: 1) "Very large entities" are dumping euro. They choose to sell euro directly for gold and other hard assets in order to avoid the additional selling pressure on the currency itself if they were to convert the euro into dollars first and then use the dollars to buy the assets. 2) Regardless of the currency used to purchase the gold and/or silver in size, the key is that physical metal is rapidly disappearing, nonetheless.

Anyway, his main point is that physical demand for metal in London continues at a torrid pace and he feels that the paper markets in NY are being influenced by this. The Bullion Banks would love to take paper price lower but physical demand precludes it.

OK. We had a very strong day today in the metals. This was nice but don't get too carried away just yet. Remember that tomorrow is option expiration day for the August12 contract. I would imagine that much of today's action was simply The Cartel herding the sheep in whichever direction they pleased. Once the 50-day MA was broken, The Sheep began to cover shorts. This likely spurred on more covering (buying) as price approached 1600 and those sheep dumb enough to be short the $1600 calls were forced to buy some contracts as a hedge. For me, the fact that price has since reversed this evening and is back down near $1600 confirms this suspicion. Tomorrow will probably continue this trend. Absent some kind of news, we'll probably drift back down toward the 50-day (near 1585) and then lift back higher.

Her are a couple of interesting charts for you. First, the gold and silver weeklies. Nothing too exciting except for the illustration of the long-term basing, descending triangles.

The daily charts, however, contain some interesting stuff. Notice that both metals bottomed on the same date in late May and then peaked on the same date in early June. Since then, they've been trading sideways in an ever-narrowing range that looks like a pennant. Note that gold is still within that pennant. Silver, on the other hand is very, very close to breaking out. IF it does, if it will be looking at a run to at least 28.50 if not 29.

Just a couple of other things and I need a little help with the first one. Has anyone noticed the recent depletion of the GLD? Over the past three weeks, it has shed over 30 tonnes of gold. Of course I realize that this is likely nothing more than London paper shuffling. Regardless, I seem to recall that VictorTheCleaner guy mentioning something about a correlation between big GLD depletions and subsequent Comex gold rallies. Does this ring a bell with anyone else?

Lastly, in the previous post I mentioned that The Jackass was going to be releasing a new public consumption commentary today. I don't normally do this but, since he did and since I had mentioned it in the previous post, I thought I would re-print it here. I haven't even read it yet so I'm posting it sight unseen but I'm confident that there will be information contained within that you'll find interesting.

<11:00pmEDT edit: Having now read the entire Willie letter, I simply ask that you keep this thread on subject, namely the discussion of gold and silver>

Have a great evening, overnight and Thursday! TF

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As preface, consider that the USTreasury 10-year yield went below 1.4% this week. Some unenlightened celebrate the asset appreciation and point to a successful asset in performance in an otherwise dismal financial market. The Jackass said in the June 6th public article "USTBonds: Black Hole Dynamics" that such a success is a marquee billboard message of economic meltdown and systemic failure. As the rally continues, possibly the onliest rally outside of corn and soybeans in yet another disaster, people should focus on whether the systemic collapse will occur before the 10-yield hits 1.0% in my warning. Focus on four major points:

  • The unspoken effect of ZIRP (0%) is the powerful ongoing destruction of capital, as the entire cost structure rises
  • As equipment goes off line further, the USEconomy will weaken further, in a powerful vicious cycle
  • The official Zero Percent Interest Policy is the calling card of the Gold Bull Market, powered by negative inflation adjusted returns on savings
  • The USTBonds will fail from their own success, unleashing the Gold Price when the investment community and global creditors realize no further potential appreciation in the most massive asset bubble in modern history, supported by Interest Rate Swap derivative machinery. Money will eventually fly out of bonds and seek true safe haven.

Fear not. The USTBond 10-year yield (TNX) will not and cannot reach below 1.0% as all ponderings of a world with 0% on 10-year yield are divorced from reality. The Black Hole is working hard, gathering force, amplifying the gravitational field. It is happening right on schedule, no surprise here, a very easy correct forecast. The original supposed Flight to Safety in the USTBonds was totally fabricated and phony. As mentioned at least a dozen times by the Jackass, the last half of year 2010 saw the dutiful Wall Street outpost Morgan Stanley devote a fresh $8 trillion in interest rate derivatives, fully documented by the Office of the Comptroller to the Currency. Their reports never make the headlines, since they are so chock full of rancid fetid scum. As the TNX marches down the swirling pathways within the vast USGovt debt sewer-like cisterns, their energy will be derived from the massive recession that has engulfed the USEconomy. Not only is the flight to safety in the USTBond complex a total fabrication falsehood, but the USEconomic recovery is also a fiction written on political propaganda posters. The followon flight to the bubble ridden USTBond is based upon economic wreckage and broad disintegration of the entire periphery and surrounding core to the bond market. The great sucking sound can be heard, much like during the non-earthquake in Virginia in September 2011. Experienced traders are looking at each other, in full recognition that the TNX rally is indeed an endgame signal.

THE BRUSH FIRE PHENOMENON
The LIBOR scandal unleashed brush fires. They started in London but extend throughout the entire Western banking treeline. The scandal that started at Barclays and Lloyds has hit Deutsche Bank, as well as Citibank and JPMorgan. Many more pages will be written on the LIBOR brush fire, as the damages are delineated by those on the opposite side of the price rigging table. The USFed, Bank of England, and Euro Central Bank are directly implicated, casting corrupt light on the central bank franchise system. The clownish supposed economic expert Larry Kudlow actually attempted to claim the crime scene had no victims, as all benefit across the system. The naive Wall Street defender (carnival barker) must not be aware of the damages claimed by the mortgage underwriters in the lending industry, by corporations seeking stable bond yields, and by the swap recipients in countless state government agencies. A figure was put forth this week that caught my eye. For every single basis point in the LIBOR price rig, fully $50 billion in effects result. The market is huge, involving a staggering $370 trillion in worldwide debt. Expect hundreds of high profile lawsuits. Expect dozens of class action lawsuits. Expect well over $1 trillion in total declared damages from the legal attempts at remedy. LIBOR will not go away, since it is actually the heart & soul of the entire lending industry, and of the shadowy derivative market. LIBOR funds the vast derivative market, which is becoming frazzled in a slow disintegration. The brush fire will burn down the USTBond Tower and render useless its Interest Rate Swap buttress structural support, both of which are in an implosion mode.

This article is not about LIBOR and its inner workings, the damage suffered by mortgage underwriters, the short changing of corporations and state agencies involved in swaps. Instead, this article is about the serious jumps in the brush fire, jumps to new areas of scandal, which will take down the system. In no way is the list of potential new fire zones comprehensive. Perhaps a few more will result, since large burning tree branches have a way of being lifted by the high winds of controversy fanned by deep suspicion. The entire document discovery process will be exploited to the fullest, a vast crowbar. Once the lid is lifted via legal discovery of LIBOR criminal collusion, all is fair game to be viewed and pulled out of the vast sea of scum, filth, and rancid paper floating within the big bank balance sheets. It is all admissible evidence. Then there are the communications often shown to be highly revealing to establish motive and paint the pictures in more detail. No longer are those analysts like the Jackass considered biased, tilted, and off the mark when they cite financial corruption as an ongoing theme year after year. The corruption is coming to the surface, fully visible, in a manner to render perhaps fatal damage to the system. My theme has been systemic failure from the inefficiencies and corruption wrought by the Fascist Business Model. Witness it!

My focus is on jumps in the big brush fire that escalate the financial criminal exposures. Entirely new areas of criminal exposure, investigation, and prosecution will emerge. LIBOR was the center, and Barclays was the banker's bank, which owns sizeable equity shares of numerous global banks. Leave aside the difficult questions as to why and how the LIBOR fraud was revealed, and why and how the crime was not shoved under the rug as usual, and what higher power is controlling and orchestrating the maneuvers. LIBOR and Barclays lie at the heart of the Western banking cartel and power structure, labeled corrupt to the core. The big banker brush fire has begun. It is raging, but it will spread to create several other nasty brush fires. The jumps will occur easily, the process having already begun.

MONEY LAUNDERING & NARCOTICS DEPENDENCE
Just in the last ten days, the brush fire jumped into the drug money laundering forest. Permit an imagery jump as well, even though mixed imagery is a cardinal sin of composition. But since on the topic of jumping, a shift in the blaze of imagery might be appropriate. The money laundering of narotics funds is a vast industry. The United Nation task force identified the United States as being unduly reliant upon the benefits of drug money infusion into the banking system following the 2008 Lehman bust, sufficient to prevent a collapse. The UN document reports were published in 2009 and again in 2010. What better place to funnel the money than into the primary banking system from the USGovt agencies responsible for the vast clearing house functions. Representative Ron Paul has addressed this problem in direct accusations. Here is the imagery jump. The operations of money laundering are like a collection of wires without insulated coatings laid out on dark basement floors, one from each bank. The participating big banks do not always have full knowledge of the other and their activities. Many countries are involved, as the distribution rings are vast, like with Mexico in the recent incident. So the wires occasionally cross each other and cause troublesome sparks. The High Scandal in Bank Collusion has already caught fire in the money laundering rings. The bank in the spotlight has been encouraged to align its wires properly, according to the Cooperative Installation Alignment codes from the Underwriters Lab south of WashingtonDC. They will comply, or else resignations will be the least concern of the bank executives. Their lights might go out. This is a topic loaded with risk. The message to take away is that all the major US banks are deeply committed to narco money laundering, which tie in with defense contractors who serve as errand boys and delivery hosts.

INTEREST RATE SWAP & FALSE USTBOND SAFE HAVEN
The next jump in the banker brush fire might be the revelation of the primary role played by the Interest Rate Swap derivative contract device. The JPMorgan chief investment office is tasked with fabricating the USTreasury Bond rally. They must maintain the near 0% bond climate despite chronic $1.5 trillion deficts to securitize and largely absent foreign creditors. They farm out the duty to their Morgan Stanley outpost. Hundreds of $billions in artificial USTBond demand can be produced, with trumpets blown by strumpets calling the flight to safety in toxic USTBonds. Recall that the cost of funding the IRSwap mechanical abuse is the ultra-cheap LIBOR rate. Notice the tight correlation between the US FedFunds official rate and the LIBOR rate. The price rigging in the LIBOR came about since the banks refused to lend at the absurd 0% rate dictated by the USFed, working in close concert with the Bank of England. The banks were willing to speculate at that rate, but not to lend at that rate. The target could not be sustained. So the participants to the consensus procedure lied to each other, complete with memos, adorned by winks. The practicality of the ZIRP could not extend into the real world without further collusion.



The scandal will hit the Interest Rate Swap devices and reveal the artificial nature of the entire flight to safety in the USTreasury Bonds. They will be more visible under document discovery amidst the LIBOR investigations. The heavy machinery of the IRSwaps has been exposed to some extent from the May losses suffered by JPMorgan, as reported by the Jackass and confirmed by CEO Dimon. They lied and gave blame to the European sovereign debt fluctuations, when they were actually stable during the focused period of six weeks. Big fluctuations were seen in the USTBond market though, identified in my past analysis. Expect further revelations and documented evidence of vast rigging process in the USTBond market, using the IRSwap devices. The flight to safety will be revealed as a sham. It is only natural in the brush fire jumps.

INSOLVENT BANK RECOGNITION & FASB ACCOUNTING
Another jump in the banker brush fire might be the revelation of the deep insolvency within the big US banks, managed and kept hidden by vast accounting fraud. Recall that in April 2009, the USCongress passed a law to bless FASB rules which allow for accounting fraud. The big banks were permitted to declare any value they wish for all manner of toxic and rancid assets lying within their balance sheet. So they went on course to choose the original book value for many imploded toxic assets like mortgage bonds, like worthless collateralized bond obligations, and many other wonders of financial engineering devised by the wrecking crew on Wall Street. Imagine a raft of memos from bank executives like the chief financial officers, admitting that they are all too aware that balance sheet items were being declared as having untrue values, during quarterly earnings reports. The Sarbanes Oxley violations are too numerous to count.

Imagine the stream of memos expressing concerns over revelation that the banks were aware of the false values disclosed. They will be more visible under document discovery amidst the LIBOR investigations. Imagine mention with relief that the officially sanctioned FASB accounting rules permitted the fraud, replete with fictional values set for assets to share holders in the legal exercise. The giant banks are almost all dead zombies, insolvent to the core. The scandal will likely hit the Financial Accounting Standards Board (FASB) methods and the coverup of deep insolvency. The banks are not performing their normal lending function, since they are insolvent, citing tighter borrower requirements. Tragically, both the borrower is impaired and the lender is insolvent. Expect further revelations and documented evidence of vast falsification of the accounting process in the legally required financial reporting, using phony FASB rules. It is only natural in the brush fire jumps.

NON-US$ TRADE SETTLEMENT & BANK RESERVES MGMT
Another jump in the banker brush fire might be the revelation that the big US banks are preparing for a Paradigm Shift. The Eastern nations are well along a path to settle trade outside the USDollar. The Chinese have arranged for bilateral currency swap agreements with a gaggle of nations, mostly from the East, but also Brazil in the West. Consider such agreements to be the foundation for barter systems coming into vogue. The key is their non-US$ nature. The entire loss of global trade settlement done in the US$ terms is being elevated in importance. Some day soon, it might become the majority of trade. The tipping point could come when over 50% in trade excluding crude oil is managed outside the US$ settlement. Later, like in a year or so, maybe a bigger tipping point could come with over 50% of all trade including crude oil being managed ouside the US$ sphere. The big banks must see the trend, unless they wear blinders, unless their arrogance is so thick, or unless they are so pre-occupied with other brush fires that they leave themselves vulnerable and unprepared.

A very important tenet of global trade and banking is that trade dictates banking activity, not the other way around. It used to be for decades that the USDollar global standard required all trade to be settled in its reserve currency. The banking structures must reflect the reality of trade settlement methods and practices. However, the mortgage bond crisis laden with banking fraud in mortgages and foreclosures rendered damage. The TARP Fund patch job with bait & switch in executive largesse rendered damage. The USFed bond monetization (called euphemistically Quantitative Easing) went out of control, causing a global rise in energy and food prices. The result was great damage rendered. The endless foreign wars on a credit card have caused deep resentment, replete with fraud among the service contractors, also rendered damage. The Iran sanctions, further distracting from the basic violation of Iranian oil sales outside the US$ sphere, have resulted in tremendous insurrection against the global reserve currency.

The major Paradigm Shift in trade has been the emergence of non-US$ trade settlement and the development of devices to facilitate the skirting end around process. Therefore, the banking system must adapt or be left isolated. The big US banks might soon be caught in revelations that they are preparing for shunning of the USDollar in trade payments and satisfaction. They might reveal processes already in place to dump USTreasury Bonds at their artificially lofty values, maintained by high powered Interest Rate Swap machinery during a falsely engineering flight to safety. Imagine open communications about demanded IRSwap usage to maintion artificially rigged high bond principal values. They will be more visible under document discovery amidst the LIBOR investigations. If the big US banks are shown to be diversifying out of USTBonds during the current crisis, it would indeed be devastating news against the Dollar Fortress. Expect further revelations and documented evidence of diversification away from the bubblicious overvalued USTBonds, as the trade settlement pathways avoid the US bull chits. It is only natural in the brush fire jumps.

ALLOCATED GOLD & 40 THOUSAND METRIC TONS SHORT
An assured jump in the banker brush fire will be the revelation of massive raids on Allocated Gold accounts done systematically over two decades. The big Western banks have been illegally grabbing the gold bars via unauthorized leasing, then selling them in the open market in order to maintain the artificially low Gold & Silver prices. The process of revelation is already well along, with important major lawsuits in Switzerland. The Matterhorn case where Von Greyerz pointed out the long delays for his fund investors to receive their gold bars from Allocated accounts has added to the controversy. The gold bars arrived with stamps and dates much younger than the original bars owned, lifting the veil of fraud. The scandal has not yet reached the public eye, but it will very soon. Some Gold experts call it The Mother of All Gold Scandals. Several class action lawsuits totaling several $billion are underway in the elite banker nation of Switzerland. So far, the coopted press has kept a lid on the story. The leaks will be natural, like an overflow of chocolate from the vat. The documents concerning the serious illegal activity will be more visible amidst document discovery during the LIBOR investigations.

My best source shared in 2010 that at least 20 thousand tons of Gold had improperly been taken, leased, and replaced with gold paper certificates in vaulted locations. The bullion bankers were dangerously short. In 2011, he admitted that the criminal activity had easily surpassed 40 thousand tons of Gold illegally leased, resulting in a massive short position for the bullion banks. In 2012, he increased his estimate to between 40 and 60 thousand metric tons of gold illegally seized from Allocated Gold accounts, the short position totally out of control and absolutely impossible to bring into balance with short covering. In the last week, he passed along a communication with a veteran Gold expert with decades of savvy experience. They concluded that remedy for the vast gigantic short position by the gold bullion bankers will send the Gold price well over $10,000 per ounce. They believe probably by the end of the criminal prosecution remedy, the resolution of the defrauded Allocated gold accounts, and the installation of the new trade system alternative, the Gold price will find a natural value at least twice that elevated value. Expect further revelations and documented evidence of vast Allocated Gold account raids, and improper raids to gut the Exchange Traded Funds (GLD, SLV). It is only natural in the brush fire jumps.

The Gold Bull will hit on all eight cylinders, and adopt another four cylinders, when the Allocated Gold account fraud is revealed and hits the news. Only then will public calls for broad criminal prosecution be accompanied by equal calls by the very wealthy. By then, speculation will extend to how high the Gold price can go, and to what limit. Think at that point, unlimited extensive money growth, a gaggle of futile bank aid packages, and currency debasement abuse from the hyper monetary inflation underway for over four years. The Gold price must match the abuse stride for stride, when at the same time react to forced bullion banker purchases of Gold in order to replace the raided Allocated accounts. A frenzy will come.

2011 BANK HEIST & DISPOSITION OF ASSETS
A potential disruptive jump in the banker brush fire would be the revelation of disposition of World Trade Center vaulted assets. Only a moron would believe they vanished. Refer to the enormous amount of purported missing gold bullion, the enormous amount of purported missing bearer bonds, the enormous amount of purported missing diamonds from the infamous 911 event. The political implications would be vast, far more damning than the smoking guns by scientists. They would eclipse any and all claims made by engineers and architects (see AE1000 Group) that undermine the official poppycock story. The documents concerning the flow of gold, bonds, and diamonds might be more visible under document discovery amidst the LIBOR investigations, if a bank heist were to be demonstrated. It is a difficult task to conceal the movement of $100 billion in gold bars, $100 billion in bearer bonds, and $100 billion in diamonds, if indeed it was a bank heist. The Jackass scientific background has consistently brought attention to the vast inconsistencies due to gravitation pull in freefall, to the inadequate burning temperature of jet fuel to alter structural steel, and the absence of aircraft debris on the Pentagon lawn. All official stories have seemed like music on the other side of logic and physics.

Only flag waving morons sporting red white and blue jockey shorts believe the official story, in addition to diehard types who hold scientific evidence in contempt, along with senile veterans well past the octagenarian mark. No disrespect is meant to veterans, who often seem incapable of sorting evidence or even identifying a financial fascist out of uniform. Even the 911 Commissioners admit they were coerced to omit widespread evidence, including testimony from the New York Police Dept captains. They could not voice their objection too loudly, or else lose their jobs and likely pensions too. Whereas in 2003 and 2004 the critics seemed like crackpots, no longer do they seem so wild-eyed and lunatic. Some very well informed people believe the 911 event was actually a bank heist. The odd new twist is the reports that many people at the World Trade Center who were eyewitnesses have died mysterious deaths. Harken back to the Grassy Knoll from that infamous November 1963 event in Dallas. By the 1990 decade, a few dozen people had died from mysterious deaths, many being violent deaths, to the point that no eyewitnesses had survived. A mission accomplished in the sordid history of the United States. The bond trails already cast extremely suspicious light on Cantor Fitzgerald, which curiously moved all its data storage backup facilities to New Jersey only a few months before the incident. Perhaps further potential revelations and documented evidence toward disposition of WTC site assets will surface during the never ending discovery process. It is only natural in the brush fire jumps. One can only wonder what George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, and Benjamin Franklin would have to say about these events, or even Dwight Eisenhower and Douglas MacArthur. The notion of patriotism has been redefined by force. Many patriots prefer to think and use the brain stem, turning away from the goose step. Then again, perhaps several hundred discrepancies, inconsistencies, and contradictions to the official story are just a coincidence and the work of our enemies.

MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION
A very unusual phenomenon is at work. The three banker camps from the United States, London, and Western Europe are naturally going to protect their own pillboxes. A well connected banker source from Central Europe has shared that Deutsche Bank has already begun to cooperate with the International Court of Hague, working with Interpol officers, bank examiners, experienced attorneys, and judges to assist the prosecution of London and New York bankers. But Deutsche Bank cannot stop the assault by USGovt officials and their army of legal prosecutors, who will tear D-Bank apart. The London bankers have been exposed, laid bare, for the entire world to attack them. The resignations will continue like a parade, soon to involve the privileged groups among the Anglo elite. Expect far more lawsuit effects than prosecutions, since the USGovt legal staff is loaded to the gills with Wall Street friendlies.

The CFTC and SEC and FDIC and FBI have to date been attack dogs and protectors to the Syndicate in the entire scandalous decade. They are the Fascist Business Model soldiers in the field. To be sure, each of the three camps will attack in round after round, bringing charges, seeking remedy, forcing executive sacks, levying fines, and more. They will each enable high ranking bank executives to turn state's evidence, to flip, but the lines of jurisdiction cannot be altered. Each region will protect its own, and attack the other two. A fight to the death might have begun. The banker attacks will not put each other's executives in jail, as much as wreck the Western banking structures. Witness the Competing Currency War in a late stage, as it has reached a new level of financial violence. The Wall Street marketing corps, and the noble financial press, have chosen to trumpet the message that European weakness translates to American advantage. It is like Al Capone competing with Bugsy Moran. It is like John Gotti pointing a finger at Michael Corleone. In the end, they will both succumb to the pressures and the light. Their ships at sea are listing and taking on water. They will all sink. The life boats are made of Gold with Silver linings

GOLD IS THE TRUE SANCTUARY
The concept of solutions for the global monetary system, the global currency system, and the global banking system, have become outright laughable and an insult to the intelligence of observers. The paper system has become weighed down by toxic assets to the point of rendering the entire system insolvent and sinking its future prospects. No new debt can repair and provide remedy for the fatally sick and current overly indebted dying system. The new trade settlement facilities are ready to put in place, based upon a Gold & Silver core. That word has come from a source directly involved in the preparation process for the Eastern Fortress. The trade notes will provide the lubrication to complete trade, which will have a hard asset core. The USDollar will gradually fade away from trade settlement, except for the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, and possibly Southern Europe. The great tipping point approaches, whereby over half of global trade will be settled outside the domain of the crippled toxic USDollar. The foreign participants can no longer tolerate the bank bond fraud, the central bank debasement, and the usage of bank devices as weapons.



Major changes are coming. A return to a certain type of Gold Standard is right around the corner, awaiting the Western collapse that is in a late stage of pathogenesis. The jumping brush fires that the London, New York, and Western European bankers must contend with will eventually envelop them, doling out massive smoke inhalation. Worst of all, the jumps will expose new areas of corruption every few weeks, sufficient to bring down the system. After all, it is a fiat faith based system. The faith has long ago vanished. All that remains is power politics, arrogance, and corruption. The new system will force the Gold price above $5000 per ounce on a conservative basis. It is all part of the plan not yet revealed. The Gold/Silver Ratio will revert to 20:1 in time. That translates for the math impaired to a $250 per ounce Silver price. These are conservative figures.

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  142 Comments

  Refresh
Jul 26, 2012 - 2:49pm

Grading coins

I need a break from grading essays. So I came here to procrastinate and we are talking about graded coins. How coincidental..

I like the argument that graded coins may ensure against counterfeits. Can you see a counterfeit coin in a MS 65 slab--it would get scrutiny by numismatists and be discovered very quickly.

I did not know that MS65 was once the highest grade! Now it is 70... might they raise the bar again? the graders would like that--more grading fees for them.

I stack 90%, rounds, bars, and .925 jewelry--generic gold bars--whatever I can find as close to or below spot. I believe that the metal is what is critical. With no wealthy economy in the cards, just the metal will count--not the coin quality. Nobody will be able to afford to collect. Nobody will pay the premium. But graded coins are preferable to non if the price is near spot.

I do love the look of those Mexican Libertads, graded or not.

Sisyphus
Jul 26, 2012 - 1:44pm

Asteroid mining

One answer to lower grades!?!

audiShort Stack
Jul 26, 2012 - 1:19pm

Buying graded coins..

If one can buy a graded coin (MS 65-70) for the price of ungraded, then

IMHO it is like buying "prime rib" for the price of hamburger.

Personally, I would never pass over such a deal.

Audi.

Raoul Dusentier
Jul 26, 2012 - 12:49pm

@SRSrocco: Thank you

@SRSrocco:

Thank you. I very much appreciate your posts!

I have question for you. Have you looked into how the future availability of uranium for nuclear energy too and how it will affect mining?

aether
Jul 26, 2012 - 12:46pm

RE: UNITED STATES CORPORATION

for your viewing pleasure:

Definition of the "United States"
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/3002
look at 15, a, b, and c.

also this: https://www.natural-person.ca/capital.html (canadian website, but i believe it is the same in the US)
look on your drivers license, BC, SS card, mail or almost any "official" document everything is capitalized, referencing a legal "PERSON" (also known as a corporation)

legal definition of a PERSON: https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1516 particularly 2)
legal definition of a natural person: https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1308

hopefully this isnt to off topic. keep stacking

https://dev.republicoftheunitedstates.org/what-is-the-republic/history/

stealthbear
Jul 26, 2012 - 12:41pm

Really--If buying graded coins

you may want to stick to those that are slabbed and graded by PCGS or NGC. My parents bought some graded coins at auctions back in the 80's, but they are graded by some company I have never heard of and may be out of business, for all I know. That will certainly decrease their value if I ever decide to sell them.

Key Economic Events Week of 7/6

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Dagney Taggart
Jul 26, 2012 - 12:17pm

@aether

I got your pm. When I see ALL CAPS, I think corporation. I need to look into "Person" more. Either way, something is certainly not right about this situation and I seriously doubt most people have knowingly, voluntarily, and intentionally made themselves into corporations, It is all just a b*llsh*t word game devised by b*llsh*t legal con-artists. Just because the common person has no knowledge of the game doesn't mean they have made themselves subjects of it.

Really-Dawg
Jul 26, 2012 - 12:16pm

@Dawg Thanks for your opinion..

... I think you make good points. I guess I was just trying to determine if there was any reason why I shouldn't buy an NGC MS70 graded coin if it was the same price, or maybe just up to $25 more, than the same ungraded coin from Provident. One thought I have is will there come a day when we have to be more concerned about gold coins being counterfeit? If it's graded at MS70 and certified should that provide peace of mind? Thanks for everyone's input.

Dagney Taggart
Jul 26, 2012 - 11:55am

If I may weigh in on Grading and Fineness.....

Grading: The grade is a matter of perception and a measure of how careful a coin was designed and/or struck. So I equate this similar to saying a fiat currency is more valuable because it was made on a better printing press with more colors. It's an illusion, a scam in my book.

Fineness: I know many here swear by junk. That is ok, unless one needs to actually do something productive with the metal. This is why I see 3-9 and 4-9 metal is superior: the metal content + the value added to refine the metal. It does take work to refine the metal to greater purities and that real work value can be rolled into the value of the coin. This is why I don't waste much money on "official" mint coins and go for rounds and bars: same quality material for less money.

Just a perspective from the eye of an industrialist.

Purplefrog
Jul 26, 2012 - 11:38am

Linear thinking

Jim Willie is the perfect antidote for linear thinking, extrapolating from past events and projecting into the future. Let's call the alternative geometric or hyperbolic thinking - very difficult to go WAY beyond what we're familiar with. I remember Bill Gates saying, years ago, that people will overestimate the power of the internet in the next few years and underestimate what the internet will look like 20 years from now. Ray Kurzweil, for example, is another person capable of non-linear projections. This is also my assessment of Jim Willie. He's like a "whack on the side of the head." Even if you don't agree he gets you to thinking outside the box.

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Key Economic Events Week of 7/6

7/6 9:45 ET Markit Service PMI
7/6 10:00 ET ISM Service PMI
7/7 10:00 ET Job openings
7/9 8:30 ET Initial jobless claims
7/9 10:00 ET Wholesale inventories
7/10 8:30 ET PPI for June

Key Economic Events Week of 6/29

6/30 9:00 ET Case-Shiller home prices
6/30 9:45 ET Chicago PMI
6/30 10:00 ET Consumer Confidence
6/30 12:30 ET CGP and SSHW to Capitol Hill
7/1 8:15 ET ADP Employment
7/1 9:45 ET Markit Manu PMI
7/1 10:00 ET ISM Manu PMI
7/1 2:00 ET June FOMC minutes
7/2 8:30 ET BLSBS
7/2 10:00 ET Factory Orders

Key Economic Events Week of 6/22

6/22 8:30 ET Chicago Fed
6/22 10:00 ET Existing home sales
6/23 9:45 ET Markit flash PMIs for June
6/23 10:00 ET New home sales
6/25 8:30 ET Q1 GDP final guess
6/25 8:30 ET Durable Goods
6/26 8:30 ET Pers Inc and Spending
6/26 8:30 ET Core inflation

Key Economic Events Week of 6/15

6/16 8:30 ET Retail Sales
6/16 8:30 ET Cap Ute and Ind Prod
6/16 10:00 ET Chief Goon Powell US Senate
6/16 4:00 pm ET Goon Chlamydia speech
6/17 8:30 ET Housing Starts
6/17 12:00 ET Chief Goon Powell US House
6/18 8:30 ET Initial Jobless Claims
6/18 8:30 ET Philly Fed
6/19 8:30 ET Current Account Deficit
6/19 1:00 pm ET CGP and Mester conference

Key Economic Events Week of 6/8

6/9 10:00 ET Job openings
6/9 10:00 ET Wholesale inventories
6/10 8:30 ET CPI for May
6/10 2:00 ET FOMC Fedlines
6/10 2:30 ET CGP presser
6/11 8:30 ET Initial jobless claims
6/11 8:30 ET PPI for May
6/12 8:30 ET Import price index
6/12 10:00 ET Consumer sentiment

Key Economic Events Week of 5/25

5/26 8:30 ET Chicago Fed
5/26 10:00 ET Consumer Confidence
5/27 2:00 ET Fed Beige Book
5/28 8:30 ET Q2 GDP 2nd guess
5/28 8:30 ET Durable Goods
5/29 8:30 ET Pers Inc and Cons Spend
5/29 8:30 ET Core Inflation
5/29 9:45 ET Chicago PMI

Key Economic Events Week of 5/18

5/18 2:00 ET Goon Bostic speech
5/19 8:30 ET Housing starts
5/19 10:00 ET CGP and Mnuchin US Senate
5/20 10:00 ET Goon Bullard speech
5/20 2:00 ET April FOMC minutes
5/21 8:30 ET Philly Fed
5/21 9:45 ET Markit flash PMIs for May
5/21 10:00 ET Goon Williams speech
5/21 1:00 ET Goon Chlamydia speech
5/21 2:30 ET Chief Goon Powell speech

Key Economic Events Week of 5/11

5/11 12:00 ET Goon Bostic speech
5/11 12:30 ET Goon Evans speech
5/12 8:30 ET CPI
5/12 9:00 ET Goon Kashnkari speech
5/12 10:00 ET Goon Quarles speech
5/12 10:00 ET Goon Harker speech
5/12 5:00 ET Goon Mester speech
5/13 8:30 ET PPI
5/13 9:00 ET Chief Goon Powell speech
5/14 8:30 ET Initial jobless claims and import prices
5/14 1:00 ET Another Goon Kashnkari speech
5/14 6:00 ET Goon Kaplan speech
5/15 8:30 ET Retail Sales and Empire State index
5/15 9:15 ET Cap Ute and Ind Prod
5/15 10:00 ET Business Inventories

Key Economic Events Week of 5/4

5/4 10:00 ET Factory Orders
5/5 8:30 ET US Trade Deficit
5/5 9:45 ET Markit Service PMI
5/5 10:00 ET ISM Sevrice PMI
5/6 8:15 ET ADP jobs report
5/7 8:30 ET Productivity
5/8 8:30 ET BLSBS
5/8 10:00 ET Wholesale Inventories

Key Economic Events Week of 4/27

4/28 8:30 ET Advance trade in goods
4/28 9:00 ET Case-Shiller home prices
4/29 8:30 ET Q1 GDP first guess
4/29 2:00 ET FOMC Fedlines
4/29 2:30 ET CGP presser
4/30 8:30 ET Pers Inc and Cons Spend
4/30 9:45 ET Chicago PMI
5/1 9:45 ET Markit Manu PMI
5/1 10:00 ET ISM Manu PMI

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