Constitutional Deception

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Thu, Jun 28, 2012 - 11:50am

Article 1. Section 7. Congress shall make any law it pleases, regardless of whether the citizens were lied to, deceived or otherwise misled into supporting its passage.

George and Obama debate health care taxes

The metals are, of course, up against it this morning. If you haven't yet read this (https://www.tfmetalsreport.com/blog/3940/lookout) or this ( https://www.tfmetalsreport.com/blog/3963/lookout-part-ii), please do so immediately. It is looking increasingly likely that the triple bottom in silver will soon fail. IF stops below 26.25 are tripped (maybe on The Globex this afternoon), silver may rapidly descend toward 25 and then continue, over the next couple of weeks, down toward 22 in a final washout move. Please be prepared for this and do not panic if it happens.

Gold is still in its 1530-1630 range but it is, of course, subject to a breakdown, too. Be vigilant.

Hang in there and don't be surprised by anything.

TF

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retireyoung
Jun 28, 2012 - 10:57pm

LifeisPain

Your posting tugs at my heart; no doubt a whole lot of people are in financial trouble here and abroad. But--you know what--there will soon be not enough people like me around to pay for all those expenses. There is not enough tax money around to continue to subsidize millions upon millions of people who are demanding that we take care of them. That is a fact.

And when the money runs out--when the last taxpayer is fleeced to his undies--then the whole damm system will collapse and THEN the suffering will be intense.

Tube
Jun 28, 2012 - 10:47pm

This is good

The Supreme Court is wrong: ObamaCare is UNCONSTITUTIONAL
winemaker
Jun 28, 2012 - 10:45pm

@LifeisPain

Sounds like America sucks enough for you to find somewhere else to live. So will you?

It's curious that the concept of freedom never seems to enter any of your party-line posts.

Does ObamaCareTax make America more free or less free?

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Jun 28, 2012 - 10:43pm

Pretty obvious for awhile

An Authoritarian Axis Rising?

By William C. Martel

June 29, 2012

It isn’t the “axis of evil.” But a number of authoritarian states are showing a troubling tendency to look out for each other.

It takes time for societies and policymakers to understand that a major shift in global affairs is afoot. But what we see clearly, in recent months, is the emergence of a new constellation of powers.

Such a concert of nations can only inject turmoil into the international system. It is a relatively new phenomenon that represents a radical shift in international politics, perhaps as momentous as the Soviet Union’s collapse two decades ago. By coordinating their policies, this grouping of powers is beginning to profoundly reshape global affairs, especially in the Asia-Pacific, Indo-Pacific, and Eurasian regions.

Who are the members of this group? Today, it includes China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Syria, and Venezuela.

Why does it exist? Fundamentally, this new axis signals growing anxiety on the part of its members that they are “behind the curve” of history. Simply put, these states are on the wrong side of history, politics and economics – and they know it.

Its members share certain characteristics that raise questions of how it is, precisely, that they and their peoples missed the curve in building democratic states and free markets.

Most worrisome of all: we see strong evidence that they actively coordinate their foreign policies. Such coordination appears to be a relatively recent development that coincides with Vladimir Putin’s return to....

https://thediplomat.com/2012/06/29/an-authoritarian-axis-rising/

Number 47
Jun 28, 2012 - 10:42pm

@IRB

Has nothing, earns nothing, and does nothing.

A sweeping generalisation such as this does nothing to further your argument either.

alphamorph
Jun 28, 2012 - 10:42pm

MUDbone

Those fees were added with the regime change in BC when the province decided to switch back to a very conservative leadership. There were any number of ways to make up those funds for healthcare (I'm in Manitoba - a have not province at the time and we don't have any monthly fees) but that conservative leadership wanted to undermine the existing system and based on your comments, they succeeded.

MUDbone, I doubt very much that you are old enough to remember Canada before socialized medicine. I do, and I can tell you that that what we have is infinitely better. And I am not alone. Look up any poll of Canadians on public healthcare and you will find that your opinion is part of a very small minority. But you are welcome to your opinion. I just feel badly when a minority view such as yours might unduly colour the perspective of the Canadian system for our friends to the south.

Number 47
Jun 28, 2012 - 10:40pm

@IRB

There are a large percentage of human beings on this planet that do not have the resources to manage 8 years of study and 20 years of excellence in a highly demanding post.

This is the question that is never answered by the 'we earned it' crowd.

What do you propose that we do with the disabled, the stupid and those that are born into poverty?

Gated communities and rifles are not going to cut it.

Urban Roman
Jun 28, 2012 - 10:40pm

It's actually ..

the Robomney-Care package. I can't understand why anyone wouldn't like it!

I mean, what is there in American politics besides Republicans and Democrats!

MUDbone
Jun 28, 2012 - 10:08pm

Canada Health Care

In BC we are forced to pay MSP premiums for health care, as well as having 40 to 50% of our tax dollars going to health care. It is an unsustainable system IMO. Health care in BC is rationed and is mediocre at best. I have family members going through the system right now. The waits and delays are unacceptable. The system is just going to get worse as baby boomer Canadians become more dependent on it. If you have money you get your care out of the country. For the rest of us you wait and hope you will be seen and processed before your illness becomes fatal. I am talking about serious conditions where a Specialist is involved where the waiting process starts. If you have the sniffles or a sore toe you can see your doctor anytime you want with no user fees. Emergency rooms are always crowded with non emergency patients, but it is "free" so the system is abused. Anyways here are the monthly fees forced on us in BC:

$64.00 for one person, $116.00 for a family of two, and $128.00 for a family of three or more.

The fees go up every year according to how much the health budget goes up.

I Run Bartertown
Jun 28, 2012 - 10:06pm

Good Reading

Nice to come home to so much discussion and so many well-articulated posts. I enjoy when the political discussion gets deeper than current Rep v. Dem topics. That has clearly failed, so any solution can only come from evaluating political systems on a more fundamental level.

Too many to quote, but endzeit touched on how the nature of the leader/banker relationship would be quite a bit different under a fascist system. I can't imagine a Mussolini kissing the ass of a man like Jaime Dimon. That's a part of why I never give much credence to claims that we are now fascist. We're certainly not pure socialist either, and I'm as guilty as others of using one term or the other as a shorthand epithet.

Number 47, it's stuff like this below that undermines any credibility that you might have brought, for me, to your point: Hrunner spells out clearly just how much work went into earning his/her place in life (that's sacrifice - you do that so that you CAN benefit and have some security) - "8 years of post university of medical training and 20 years of basic and clinical research" and you inexplicably turn that into "I'm greedy, I want the Cadillac (or Porsche to go offshore) - and for cheap! At the expense of everyone else."

How is that funny? How is that rational? How is a person who has nothing, earns nothing, and does nothing contributing to that expense? The fact that they might not have shit is not because they subsidized Hrunner. They didn't. To me, comments like that are a glimpse into the very worst of Marxist Class theory.

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