Constitutional Deception

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Thu, Jun 28, 2012 - 11:50am

Article 1. Section 7. Congress shall make any law it pleases, regardless of whether the citizens were lied to, deceived or otherwise misled into supporting its passage.

George and Obama debate health care taxes

The metals are, of course, up against it this morning. If you haven't yet read this (https://www.tfmetalsreport.com/blog/3940/lookout) or this ( https://www.tfmetalsreport.com/blog/3963/lookout-part-ii), please do so immediately. It is looking increasingly likely that the triple bottom in silver will soon fail. IF stops below 26.25 are tripped (maybe on The Globex this afternoon), silver may rapidly descend toward 25 and then continue, over the next couple of weeks, down toward 22 in a final washout move. Please be prepared for this and do not panic if it happens.

Gold is still in its 1530-1630 range but it is, of course, subject to a breakdown, too. Be vigilant.

Hang in there and don't be surprised by anything.

TF

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pforth
Jun 28, 2012 - 11:13pm

Nice little move...

Silver hasn't moved up at this time of night for a long time. We're up 50 cents in the last few minutes. Did anything trigger this?

rl999
Jun 28, 2012 - 11:11pm
Irksome
Jun 28, 2012 - 11:11pm

WOAH! Gold is making a move!

up $10 in the last 30 minutes, $1566 and counting... It's going almost straight up, must be manipulation!!!

;)

Cobalt Silver
Jun 28, 2012 - 11:09pm

Anecdotal Health Care Facts in Ontario

Canadian from Ontario w/first hand knowledge. My mother had a Triple Bypass in 1989 at the age of 79. She is alive today. My father had heart valve implants, stents and a pacemaker in his early 80,s. over the last 15 years. He is alive today. I have 2 heart stents implanted in 2003. My eldest brother at 59 years old was diagnosed with acute leukemia 18 months ago. He underwent some chemo and a stem cell transplant in which I was the donor. We have lived worked and paid taxes in the province all our lives. We still own our homes, no impact to our financial security and are enjoying outcomes that not long ago seemed like best case scenarios. People complain about waiting times or policies but on the whole look to Canada to structure your Medical Insurance policies.

That is all.

Keep Stacking.

Number 47
Jun 28, 2012 - 11:08pm

@IRB

I will answer your questions after you answer mine.

What do you propose we do with the stupid, the disabled and those born into poverty?

Where do they fit into the 'free for all (that can manage)' economy?

MUDbonealphamorph
Jun 28, 2012 - 11:04pm

alphamorph, we always had MSP

alphamorph, we always had MSP premiums here, the liberal government in 2002 made them 50% larger, and they continue to grow. I am sorry I said something negative about our glorious health care system. I guess you don't look at the financial situation in Canada and the provinces. We are running deficits and have huge debts (outside of Alberta I think). The system is becoming unsustainable as our population ages. The level of care is mediocre at best. I have a family member dying of cancer right now and I see if first hand. I would describe the care he has received as a bloody joke! If he was in the USA and had good insurance he would have had a very good chance of surviving, but here in BC the wait was long enough that the cancer is now beyond treatment. The system will continue to be mediocre at best because people like yourself support the way it is.

Irksomeopticsguy
Jun 28, 2012 - 11:02pm

@opticsguy

"have you met an illegal that carries auto insurance? I've been hit by two of them, almost killed by one. They still got free medical care in the county hospital.

I think the Obamacare of auto insurance is next. The middle class will have to pay for the poor and illegals to preserve their "right" to drive."

The reason we have a problem with illegal immigrants is NOT because they are not carrying auto insurance. Solving the problems of illegal immigration are trivial, and we lack the will to solve them. If you are here illegally, and are caught by non-discriminatory methods, you should be deported. Period. If you consume any services paid for by taxpayers for taxpayers (taxpayer in this context means anyone who is participating in the taxation system, including those who legally are not required to file a return or who file a return but do not owe any tax), you should be required to prove that you are, in fact, a taxpayer. If you are not, due to illegal immigration status, see the first point. If we had the backbone to do these simple things, the illegal immigration problem would end.

Full disclosure: I am first generation, my dad immigrated from Germany after WWII. I am married to a naturalized citizen, whose entire family (dad, then 5 kids, then 3 kids including my wife, and mom) immigrated LEGALLY from Mexico. And, by the way, I HAVE met many illegals who DO carry insurance, pay taxes, and otherwise fully participate in the system. How the hell they manage it is beyond me, but I know several.

This is completely different than the discussion regarding a mandate. If I choose to not carry auto insurance, and then drive, I broke a law. It was mandatory for me to carry auto insurance IF I CHOOSE TO DRIVE. Ie, I can opt out, legally, and no harm befalls anyone including myself.

The Obamination requires me to pay simply because I draw breath as a taxpayer. This is totally different than the mandate to carry auto insurance if you choose to drive.

If you believe that the only way to make healthcare affordable to all is to force everyone to pay in, then it should be handled just like law enforcement, military, or similar problems. Tax and provide. But having a corporate product that I am required to purchase is total crap. And taxing me for the benefit of a corporation is also total crap.

Number 47bardian
Jun 28, 2012 - 11:01pm

@bardian

I do have a few political enemies, some of the members of our community garden seem to think we should put a fence around it to keep out the 'scum' of the estate. Taking the community for themselves=enemy. True story.

While you may believe I have no 'right' to make you pay for it, I may believe you have no 'right' to avoid paying for it.

It all comes down to who is dishing out the rights at this particular time. It's swings and roundabouts in that sense. Always has been.

Not that I recall asking you to pay for anything. What were you on about?

bardian
Jun 28, 2012 - 11:01pm

QE

Obamacare is QE3. This is the most important thing we should all be getting from this.

I Run Bartertown
Jun 28, 2012 - 10:58pm

47

I wasn't generalizing. You said at the expense of 'everyone' else...'everyone' would include one like I described. And you think that somehow Hrunner (or some other stranger) benefited from this person's existence. You clearly implied that Hrunner has things because they've been denied to others and that's bullshit.

And that's wonderful that you can look in one direction and see need, and look in the other and see comfort. We can all see that. You want to help. Many of us actually do.

My question is simply, BY WHAT RIGHT do YOU decide to take from one to give to the other? I am not asking for a moral justification of why they SHOULD. The ones who sing that song are generally the ones who don't lift a finger to help a soul. I am asking how you can justify using the threat of governmental force to take from them? Especially prior to giving up all that is yours first. You've shown pics of, and made reference to, more of your PM's than I own. I don't think I deserve to take them from you. But in your imagination, I am the greedy one and you are compassionate. How about my 'fair share'? If I can use a legislator to get some from you, am I morally superior to the guy who used a gun?

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