The Impending Bottom in Gold and Silver

Tue, Mar 6, 2012 - 10:11pm

What a difference a week makes! Just last Tuesday, this site was aflutter with expectation and hope. Silver appeared to have won its "Battle Royale" and was threatening to take gold along with it through stout Cartel resistance. Ehhh....not so much. So here we are, one short week later, and despair reigns supreme, replete with frustration and fears that our precious precious metals are about to swoon to levels not seen since 2010. I'm here to tell you that that is complete nonsense.

First of all, a little something I've got to get off my chest. Since this little endeavor began 17 months ago, I have never been anything but upfront and honest with you. In one of my very first posts, I explained the reason why my version of technical analysis works. Namely, because the PM "markets" are so grossly manipulated, basic TA can direct you to buy signals and sell signals, resistance zones and support levels. So simple, even a Turd can do it.

Lately, however, its become fashionable to ridicule technical analysis. All the cool kids seem to be saying: "Charts are worthless. TA never works in a manipulated market". Hmmm. Isn't it interesting that that seems to be 100% opposite of what I've always claimed? Interesting, too, how these comments seem to multiply during periods of price weakness. But I digress. All I can tell you is that I fully believe in the value of my "abilities". Am I going to be 100% correct? Of course not! I don't work for Goldman Sachs. However, as long as The Cartels continue to dominate the paper markets for precious metal, price forecasting using basic technical analysis will continue to work.

Ultimately the question is, do you still want to play? Your #1 best option is still to stack and hold physical precious metal. Always has been, always will be. In the meantime, if you'd like to fiddle around trading, attempting to cobble together extra fiat with which you can acquire even more physical, I will continue to provide analysis, hoping to be right more often than not.

Back in December, there was reason to think that the paper game was ending. The ugly demise of MFingGlobal had frightened many traders and, more importantly, many Departments of Compliance. As you'll recall, it was very difficult to get excited about buying the late December dip because no one could be certain at the time that the "market" for precious metal would ever be the same. What if traders and investors exited the Comex altogether? Would we see total open interest in gold decline through 400,000 contracts and head toward 300,000? Maybe even 200,000? With these doubts, the entire idea of TA was dubious at best. How can you technically analyze a "market" if the "market" in question is ceasing to exist?

I believe we got our answer in January and February. Instead of collapsing, The Comex rebounded. Trading volume and open interest slowly returned. Not to the levels of mid-2011, mind you, but enough that I no longer have any doubt as to the continued viability of the Comex paper metal platform. (Let me put that in English. Instead of abandoning the Comex, large spec money returned en masse once the metals began to generate some upside momentum. Those specs are currently being fleeced again by The Cartels but, as sure as spring follows winter, they will return again once price bottoms.)

So, now that I've made it clear to you that I continue to fully believe in my technical analysis ability and now that we know that, fundamentally, nothing has really changed post-MFG, it's time to start looking for a tradable bottom to this latest Cartel-induced fiasco.

Before we get to the charts, I urge you to click the link below. The post to which you'll be directed is a little something I cooked up back in early January, the last time we went bottom-searching. Please re-read it now as a sort of primer for what I'll present to you next.

Look, I'll cut to the chase: Gold and silver will soon reach a bottom for this manufactured "correction". Of this, you can be certain. Silver is not going to $20 and gold is not going to $1250. They're just not. The awareness level is now too great for that to happen. Global investors and central banks see what is coming. They know that The Great Keynesian Experiment is ending and, with it, our reliance upon unlimited fiat money. At a certain price, physical demand will always appear and paper price will bottom and trend higher. Period. All of the never-ending, deflationist nonsense has nothing to do with the long-term price of silver and gold. We know that The Fed and the ECB will stop at nothing when it comes to printing their way out of this morass. This continuing fiat devaluation will only serve to make physical metal more valuable, not less. Dips will be bought and price will continue to trend higher. And you can forget about The Cartels rigging price down to zero, too. As long as physical demand remains strong, paper price must be allowed to rise in tandem with physical price, otherwise The Comex and LBMA will sink into irrelevance. Since this cannot be allowed to happen either, we're left with "markets" that will bottom and will resume trading higher. Eventually.

So, the question is: How much farther can we expect price to fall in this current "correction". The answer is: A little farther. Let's begin our chart parade with daily gold and silver that also have their MACDs on them. Note that both of these charts, while beginning to look oversold, are clearly not there yet. A little more weakness in both metals ought to do the trick.


Next, let's examine the daily gold and silver charts with RSI measurements on them. Again and, as you can see, an RSI of 70 is generally considered an indicator of a short-term top while an RSI of 30 seems to indicate a bottom. Note that both of these charts seem to imply that further weakness may be needed before we get can confidently predict a bottom.


So now let's look at just a plain, old price chart. Do we see evidence that further declines are imminent? You bet! Take a look for yourself. Once gold broke 1690, it indicated a minimum further drop to around 1650. I'd say its at least heading there and probably heading as low as 1625 or even 1600. You should be asking yourself: Would a further drop of that magnitude move both the MACD and RSI into oversold (bottom) territory? The answer is: YES!


Silver, same deal. By taking out 32.80 today, the chart now indicates a further drop to at least 32, maybe even 31. Heck, if The EE really hits the gas and gets a little headline "help" out of Europe, $30 silver isn't out of the question. Again, would a drop toward $31 bring the MACD and RSI into the "buy zone"? Yep.


I could go on but it's late, I'm tired and I have to go pick up LT#1 from ballet class. Let's just leave it at this:

What we are currently experiencing is nothing more than another Cartel-manufactured fleecing of the momentum-chasing, WOPR-oriented spec longs that flooded into gold and silver in the 2nd half of February. The Cartel was forced to act when price reached the critical "Battle Royale" zone on the price charts, documented here days and weeks in advance. Price will soon bottom and begin to recover. Therefore, do not let your heart be troubled. Owning physical precious metal is your only protection against the financial calamity and reset that is coming. Please do let let anyone, on this board or elsewhere, convince you otherwise.


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Mar 6, 2012 - 10:16pm

Oh Yeah!!

Ready to BTFD!!

Fr. Bill
Mar 6, 2012 - 10:18pm

Second ...

though I might have claimed first, since the previous poster didn't expressly claim it.

Mar 6, 2012 - 10:23pm


My best finish far.

Thanks for the late night update Turd!

Mar 6, 2012 - 10:24pm

I hope...

That we do get to $30 or $31... I'd love to stack more at those prices.

Mar 6, 2012 - 10:24pm

third, okay FOURTH…

…is the best I could muster.

Mar 6, 2012 - 10:24pm

Oops, I was Fifth

Damn you guys are fast!

choke on paper
Mar 6, 2012 - 10:27pm

Please answer this Turd or Anyone

If Greece defaults, will the bottom not drop out of silver?

Is it not better just to wait? I have a huge stack.......

more than I want I guess.....

Thanks for insight on this. Should we not keep a lot of dry powder handy for later instead on now?

Mar 6, 2012 - 10:28pm

Keep pointing out the

Keep pointing out the manipulation. The little guys need at the help they can get. Also, where did all that gold come from for JP to push the market down and cover in the money? Does Greece have any left that Germany hasn't demanded? Your thoughts appreciated. Also, there is nothing dumb about reading price and volume information. The big guys have to be careful when entering or exiting the market with people watching, unless they want to scare you.

Santa's Elf
Mar 6, 2012 - 10:36pm

Great post Turd

While TA may not totally give us the whole picture, it's probably the best viable tool we've got. And the continual reminder that stacking remains the supreme investment strategy is always appreciated. Thanks Turd, as always, for taking the time to provide a guiding light.

Mar 6, 2012 - 10:37pm

top ten

Not first but i made it in the top 10

Totally off topic so apologies if this shouldn't be in this thread. But wondered if anyone has watched 'Thrive' yet what their opinions on it are?

Movie trailer here

Thanks for the post Turd

Be Prepared
Mar 6, 2012 - 10:50pm

Greece will not be allowed to default formally

TPTB, the EU and the Rest of the Gang aren't going to let this happen formally...... Now, behind the scenes..... deals will be cut.... money will be exchanged.... crimes will be committed. That's just the way that's going to go..... :-)

Mar 6, 2012 - 10:51pm

great analysis Turd

Good job man. You are so right! I would only add that it does not have to happened tomorrow. Would be nice and easy if it did but when have these markets been easy? A bounce tomorrow could be a great hook.

Mar 6, 2012 - 10:58pm

Indian Connection

Great Post Turd...ppl who don't believe in TA are simply Educated Illiterates.Period.By the way I was wondering how many mails or followers do you have from India??

Mar 6, 2012 - 11:02pm

Pep Talk

Thanks Turd!

Every time, these smack downs happen, they anti-PMs come out of the wood work with, I saw it coming, or PMs are going down, or they are going to fall due to deflation!


Thanks Again!

Mar 6, 2012 - 11:10pm

Solid Advice

A good read and a nice way to finish the night up.


Mar 6, 2012 - 11:13pm

Fleece Away Cartel

Thanks for the analysis and insight, Turd. It's appreciated by "this " stacker. Let them fleece the price and each other, dog-eat-dog. None of it affects those of us stacking. (other than to allow us to dollar-cost-average down). You really gotta have an iron-gut to trade these markets - I don't.

Here's another silly little video - this one sees our intrepid field reporter interview the Treasury Secretary at a Karaoke Bar.
Mar 6, 2012 - 11:13pm

Sorry for the repost

Wanted some serious thoughts on this

...but this looks like 2008 all over again. We appear to be forming the left shoulder. No way this consolidation lasts 18 months like before, right? But that ole saying is nagging this bald head...the markets can remain irrational longer than IFester can remain solvent. Never underestimate the power of delusion en mass, or speaking of yourself in third person.

If history is any guide, equities should crash when Au completes the shoulder at $1900, dragging commodities and PMs with it. I speculate that cash-strapped, weak-handed speculators added to the selling pressure in 2008. (That's right, speculated on speculators bitches! It's that kinda market.) With the margin hikes of the past 3 yrs and MFingG, I'm thinking the PMs are in stronger hands this time around. PMs will get caught in the downdraft, but will weather better than 2008 due to stronger foundations today.

Yeah, yeah, yeah I know...driving in the rearview mirror. Get your painties out of your turdholes.

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Debbie Downer
Mar 6, 2012 - 11:13pm

David Morgan on the 'Leap

David Morgan on the 'Leap Year Take Down'

David Morgan on the 'Leap year take down'
Mar 6, 2012 - 11:14pm

TA does work. Based on it, I

TA does work. Based on it, I think $28 (or gulp...less) for SLV is completely possible.

Mar 6, 2012 - 11:19pm


we hit 1600 and 30ish

i know where my tax return is headed

bring it on

tis my buying comfort zone

optimize choke on paper
Mar 6, 2012 - 11:21pm

More Than You Want?

I'm no expert...but I don't think you should ever have more than you want of anything.

I'm with Turd on this one, keep nibbling away...and this is another opportunity. Will I blow all my powder on this dip? No, I'll only buy with a portion of my "discretionary" fiat and wait for a further dip or another such event somewhere in the future.

ALWAYS have enough fiat on hand to cover expenses for several months and then some for more stackin' least that's my game plan.

Be Prepared
Mar 6, 2012 - 11:21pm

Jim Sinclair's Dollar Chart....

The Bernank's statement that Business is improving... thereby lessening the need for QE3 is simply not true.

It's interesting that this chart seems to indicate that we could see further Dollar strength for the next couple of days, but the crystal ball seems foggy.

Mar 6, 2012 - 11:23pm

I agree with Be Prepared wholeheartedly

They will not allow it to be called a "default".........ofcourse, it's already a friggin default.....but why let the facts get in the way when there is money to be stolen.... there is only 1 thing to take away from the last 5 years of economic chaos...and that is this: they do whatever the fuck they want, whenever the fuck they want the expense of anybody or everybody, it doesn't matter to them because they are self centered in the extreme.....survival of the fittest psychopath.

The fact is that as much as we would like to believe we have shaken all of our normalcy bias, the truth is we haven't. One example is that we know they paint the charts at will, yet we are hopeful that price discovery is around the corner. The only thing around the corner is whatever they want to be "around the corner"..... don't misunderstand me, i'm not trying to be negative......i am, however, convinced that the only way we come out of this with our skin is to ride their coat the real question becomes, do we even have enough staying power to hang on that long? Is our strategy sound in the long term. (meaning can we stack in sufficient quantity AND survive day to day to reap the rewards long term).... i have no doubt about PM's long term performance, what i do have doubts over are whether or not i can survive financially to see that day come without personally selling off in order to survive day to day. Its like a prize fight.....i'm weaker than the opponent, with less stamina....and the odds are like 20:1. Being "financially responsible" has not paid off yet........don't believe me? Just ask your neighbor who hasnt made a mortgage payment in 2 yrs yet still lives in the house, meanwhile like a schmuck, i've always paid on-time and avoided debt. What was my reward?......well, i got to bail out all the over-extended with my tax dollars....great, just fuckin great. I really do hope one day my financial conservativism pays off..........but it's probably just the remains of my normalcy bias fucking with me.......... In the U.S. justice doesn't prevail..........$$$$$ prevails.

Mar 6, 2012 - 11:26pm


So today's hyperreport had an interesting piece about a new mozilla (firefox) add-on called "Collusion". It creates a chart of sites that report your access to 3rd party sites.

So I loaded it and then opened up which evidently sent a message to that I had visited there?

Can someone explain this? I'm not much for conspiracy theories, but... oh who am I kidding, I've got the tinfoil strapped on tight!!!

Doc Scurlock
Mar 6, 2012 - 11:26pm

Hear you nothing that I say...

Every time we have a take down, panic ensues. Relax. Warren Buffet says to wait for the perfect pitch, and there are no penalties for not swinging. The cartel take downs provide nice fat pitches to swing at if you are patient. My only hope is that they keep it up until I can prudently allocate all my resources to the sector. The fundamentals continue to change,...that is they continue to get MORE favorable for the precious metals sector. My work indicates a bottoming process from this damage may take a 2-6 weeks, but then the bull will be loose.( for whatever my work is worth) Keep a firm grip on the bat, keep your eye on the ball, and be patient. The fat pitches keep coming, and we are seeing some right now. Keep stacking.

Mar 6, 2012 - 11:29pm

Aww man

I'm just a stacker but I come here often to keep track of the market through all the input from everyone. I was hoping to have my GTO sold by now for this dip. Alas. Bright side. This would not have been my first time BTFD. Thanks to all you guys!

Mar 6, 2012 - 11:46pm

Outstanding Analysis

That was an outstanding analysis--One item I would like to suggest exception to is your comment that--

"And you can forget about The Cartels rigging price down to zero, too"

​While it is highly improbable that they would rig the price down to zero, I would not dismiss the possibility of them doing this out of hand, given the players.

What would happen if they flash crashed it to zero, took out all positions either through stops or by just selling them out due to margin violations, ran it down to zero, and then bounced it right back to market prices, say in the course of an hour, scooping up all of the cash in one major cluster####

​And if they did that, what would you do? Write your congressman? How would you wrestle your money back? Good luck.

MFG on hyper-steroids.

Dexter Morgan choke on paper
Mar 6, 2012 - 11:48pm

My take

I would say if you have a huge stack don't worry about hitting the exact bottom. Just accumulate. Buy some every so often regardless of the price. Your alternative is stay in paper and watch it lose purchasing power. Buying at 200-day moving average for gold has been money for a decade. "A trend is a trend until proven otherwise."--Edwards and Magee.

S Roche
Mar 6, 2012 - 11:59pm

Technical Analysis

For those of you who doubt it, just do this exercise:

Go to Netdania Chartstation, open spot gold, change from hourly to daily time frame, select "Lines" "Fibonacci Fans" "High/Low" and run your line from the $1921 peak to the $1522 low (Dec 29), open "percents" on the box that appears then select the "78.6%" box...then, run a new line from Dec 29 low to $1648 low (Jan 25) and again click on the "78.6%" box.

If you want, add Fibonacci Arcs. 

Let the scales fall from your is just a matter of the big traders communicating with each other on the charts...different charts at different times but often the same message..."come along for the ride".

victorthecleaner Dexter Morgan
Mar 7, 2012 - 12:12am

crash down to zero


no 'Cartel' is needed in order to push down the price that far. The longs (the weak ones) will do that. Perhaps not down to zero, but at least so far down that the bullion market breaks.


PS: Funny that the U.S. government still has one countermeasure available: buying paper gold themselves, but not taking physical delivery. That would help propping up the market. Whether they will do it? Who knows? Would be funny, wouldn't it? What will GATA say once they figure out the U.S. government is buying paper gold to prop up the market?

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