Lots of Choices. All of Them Bad. (Israel vs Iran Issue.)

Wed, Feb 15, 2012 - 11:44am

I know I'm veering off into dangerous territory here. It seems that an internet-based, open discussion of this issue is impossible without the thread disintegrating into anti-semitic/anti-muslim rhetoric. However, I'm trying to make this place different so I suppose this thread will be a good measure of whether or not I am succeeding so far.

You see, I think that most of us are thoughtful and literate people. Additionally, many on this site have a libertarian bent and are able to unemotionally see many facets of each issue. We all spend quite a bit of time on the internet, reading and researching, hoping to stay informed and, thus, prepare accordingly. So here are the questions I have for you:

  • Do you believe that Iran's "nuclear program" is for peaceful economic and medical purposes?
  • Do you believe that Iran's "nuclear program" is for military self-defense purposes?
  • Do you believe that Iran's "nuclear program" is for hostile, aggressive purposes?
  • After you've answered "yes" to one of the above, please comment below on why you believe as you do and what you think the solution to the current crisis is. Also, regardless of your solution, please include in your comment your prediction as to how this will all play out in the coming months.

    Again, please avoid using divisive terms such as "neo-con", "hebe", "raghead" and "zionist". That shit gets us nowhere. Events are going to play out in the Middle East regardless of our strongly-held opinions, therefore, in this community, we must seek to help each other navigate this mess and not puritanically drive each other away through the use of inflammatory rhetoric.

    OK, have at it. Though I very much look forward to reading your opinions, I will not hesitate to withdraw this thread just as quickly as it appeared if I find that it was counter-productive. TF

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    Feb 15, 2012 - 11:55am

    My Issue

    My Issue is not what Iran does or doesn't do. My issue is that the US of A has budded into everyone's business for so long. I'm an American (my whole life) and who do we think we are to get involved with telling everyone what they can and can't do. Is Iran dangerous, yes, probably just as dangerous as the USA, China, North Korea, et al. Why is Iran trying to get the weapon in the first place. We are in the 21st century and there's no way that we can stop everyone from having the weapon, the technology is already out there and if you have the $ you can get a nuke..small one, but a nuke.

    We tried to play bully for too long and everyone around the world is tired of the US of A playing bully. Who are we to say who should have a nuke and who shouldn't? I like Richard maybury's POV on this topic. we should pull all our troops home, apologies for the mess we have made ....would that stop IRAN from having a NUKE..who knows. But this is not about IRAN having a nuke or note..it's about the US of A and our great country getting involved with every ones shits..

    Do all you have agreed to and do not encroach on another person or their property. We never do all that we agree to and we have encroached on the entire world and killed many on their properties. maybe everyone is fed up? Ok..i don't want IRAN to have a nuke. but funny, the US of A is the only one in history to-date that has used one? I don't want anyone to have a NUKE, but that's not the world will live in.

    Nick Elway
    Feb 15, 2012 - 11:57am

    I believe

    I believe Iran's nuclear program is for self-defense. No more or less a threat than North Korea. The question for me is why all the sabre-rattling? Why the open willingness to undertake a false flag to get it going?

    I believe the plan to start a war with Iran has been in place for many years, and that the good men in our military refused to refuel Cheney's B-52 that he tried to send to Iran to get things rolling.

    I believe this article from infowars: http://www.infowars.com/let-them-eat-yellowcake-iran-gives-enemies-another-excuse-to-bomb-them/

    Feb 15, 2012 - 11:57am
    Feb 15, 2012 - 11:57am

    Yes, Yes, No.


    I'm sure they'll get a few Watts out of it.


    You don't invade a country if it threatens to drop a nuke on the saudi export capacity.


    There is no possibility of Iran using the nukes for offensive purposes. If they were to launch a nuke at Israel, Iran would be destroyed. Period.

    Ask Chirac.

    Feb 15, 2012 - 11:58am

    We have no right to involve

    We have no right to involve ourselves in another countries affairs.We did not stop Pakistan or India or N Korea from their weapon programs why Iran?Ikes warning seems to have even more meaning today.If you want to destroy our economy with 300.00 a barrel oil by all means attack Iran.I don't see it happening but I wholeheartdly agree with Ron Pauls foreign policy.We would make many more friends feeding the world than try to dominate it.

    Feb 15, 2012 - 12:00pm


    about a 4th choice Turd:

    • Do you believe that Iran's "nuclear program" is the prime focus for a false flag operation? An excuse to go to War?

    Answer - Yes.


    Prediction - we are going to War - errr, we are already IN a War, it started on 9/11.



    Feb 15, 2012 - 12:01pm

    what nation state doesn't want nukes?

    I believe that Iran's "nuclear program" is for economic, medical, and military self-defense, just like every other country that pursues nuclear power. I do think the sense of urgency on Iran's part is a result of the latter.

    Eventually, Iran will be blamed for enough "mischief" that western nations will move past sanctions and unleash "coalition" forces on them. I think it's clear that the mid and far east (and Russia) will reach a breaking point and push back. We can only hope that global conflict can be avoided, but with the way nations are moving troops, equipment, and making public statements that they are prepared for war, I would say that is an unlikely scenario.

    That being said, in the words of Mr. Ferguson, prepare accordingly.

    Feb 15, 2012 - 12:03pm

    Ahmadinejad is no idiot

    He knows he's not safe until he has the bomb. He might be evil enough to use it, I have no idea, but would doubt it considering how smart he plays politics. I would bet he is a great poker player.

    Feb 15, 2012 - 12:03pm

    My take

    I just get tired of all the posters who ascribe the "sabre rattling" to the U.S./Israel. There are any number of videos posted every day on the internet of Iranian (or other ME) mullahs, etc talking about the "Great Satan" or the annihilation of Israel as the "only" solution to world peace (accompanied by the universal application of Shariah law).

    All I ask is that people take these speakers at their word and posit the implications of giving them what they want.

    Feb 15, 2012 - 12:10pm

    I'll dive right in

    I fear that Ahmadinejad and Khameini are, in fact, 12ers. More specifically, that they believe they can personally bring about the return of the Islamic "messiah", The Twelvth Imam.


    Of course, I have no idea whether or not this is their intention but the circumstantial evidence gives me pause. Here is Ahmadinejad in his own words:

    Dr. Ahmadinejad Talks About Imam Mahdi [aj]

    But then there's this:

    "Epicenter 2013" The Middle East~Joel Rosenberg

    And I ask myself: If I were Netanyahu, what would I do? If there's is only a 10% chance that Iran has apocalyptic intent, do I act before it's too late? What if there's only a 1% chance? 70 years ago, there was a movement to eliminate the Jews that resulted in 6,000,000 deaths. Would I want to be blamed for the next 6,000,000 by failing to act?

    I don't know. I really don't know.

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