Guest Post - "My Personal Preps"

Sat, Dec 17, 2011 - 11:47am

A couple of weeks ago, Turdite "Nathaniel" offered to send a list of his personal experiences and preparations for the day when TSHTF. I replied that I would greatly appreciate the info. Below is what he sent. I think it's a good starting point for a weekend discussion of disaster and emergency preparedness. As you comment, please keep in mind that 99% of the population is completely in the dark and unprepared. Many reading this thread are only, just now, thinking about buying a Berkey and some extra canned goods. Let's try to be helpful and sharing for if TSHTF sometime soon, we're all going to need each other more than ever.

"My Personal Preparation Experience", by Nathaniel

I'll write this including basics; many of your readers will already know a lot of this, but here it is for those who don't. I'm not here to debate the relative merits of different diets or dietary theories. This is what works for me. As my dear old dad was fond of saying, there's more than one way to skin a cat. If this works for you, great. If not, find out what does. Guessing will not work very well. I've provided links to vendors I have used and have been happy with. I have no financial relationship with any of them. The links are offered as a place to start.

Food has three basic components, protein, carbohydrates and fat. There are 4 calories of energy per gram of protein and carbohydrates, 9 calories of energy per gram of fat. You require a mix of all three to survive. I'm a Zone Diet guy (also here for far less). The zone diet calls for a mix of 30% of your caloric intake each from fat and protein and 40% from carbs. It's a way to train your body to burn fat for energy. I'll skip the details (read the book if you want to know) but, like I said, it works for me. In order for the zone diet to work, you have to be physically active enough to become truly physically fit. Not crazy-obsessed, but truly physically fit. The zone diet requires some discipline and thought, but once you get the hang of it, it's easy. It's basically the foods your mom told you to eat, nothing bizarre. And you feel great.

How much food do I need? Based on your activity level, you need between 1/2 gram of protein per pound of lean body weight (1 gram per kilo) and 1 gram of protein per pound of lean body weight, per day. (Lean body weight is your weight with no fat. There are several ways of calculating this; one is in the zone diet book. If you weigh 200 pounds and have 20% body fat, your lean body weight is 160 pounds.) This is based on both the zone diet and more importantly several books on diet for athletes by Chris Carmichael, who was, among other things, Lance Armstrong's coach for several years. This means: if you're sitting in your underground bunker counting your phyzz, you need 1/2 gram of protein per pound of lean body weight per day. If you're doing intense physical activity all day, say, subsistence farming, you need 1 gram of protein per pound of lean body weight per day. This allows you to determine your protein needs. Once you know how many grams of protein you need, use the above 30-30-40 formula to determine how many grams of fat and carbs you need as well, keeping in mind that you get 9 calories of energy per gram of fat and 4 calories per gram for protein and carbs. See attached excel spreadsheet for a handy way of calculating your needs. If the SHTF count on your body fat dropping. Buy a copy of The Book of Food Counts to get a list of the nutritional content of pretty much everything.

A word on the companies selling food packages. In my limited contact with them, they're nice, helpful people. The ones I talked to will gladly send you detailed nutritional breakdowns on what they sell. But. A) You pay for the convenience of having someone assemble the package for you, and B) some of the menus are padded with carbs and some of the protein is soy protein. Soy protein is inexpensive and contains isoflavones (if memory serves) which inhibits testosterone production. You need testosterone to build muscle and maintain strength. A little soy protein in your diet is no big deal. A lot of soy protein in (especially) a male's diet is counterproductive. You need animal protein, not plant protein. See my comments on Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey Protein, below.

If you're busy or just need to get started, by all means patronize one of the many stores that sell x-period-of-time supplies of food. But I think with a little effort and thought you can do better on your own and spend less money while you're at it.

Storage. Buying grains like rice and wheat and oats is very inexpensive for the amount of nutrition you get and storing them is fairly straightforward. Bought in bulk you can expect to pay about a dollar a pound for grains in 50 pound bags. I mostly use Honeyville and have been very happy with them. Once you get your 50 pound bags of grain, what then? Most people use buckets, often 5 gallon buckets. The buckets need to be number 2 (the little recycling arrows) HDPE (high density polyethylene), which is food grade. I've read where some other-than-white buckets are not food grade because of the dies used. I don't workshop it and just get white buckets, white lids, etc. I use reusable lids made by Gamma Seal (available at the "buckets" link); cheaper, single use lids are available. Because of the nature of the plastic, just HDPE buckets alone are not air-tight long term. For long term storage, you need to line the buckets with Mylar, add oxygen absorbers and a desiccant, and seal the Mylar. See this youtube video for details on how. It's very easy and the results are very impressive. You end up with vacuum-packed-in-nitrogen sealed containers. See attached spreadsheet to calculate oxygen absorber requirements for your buckets.

A word on rice. The oils in brown rice will cause it to go rancid in storage; use white rice. That said, I have open bins with three year old brown rice in them that is still fine (in a cool, dry, high altitude climate). White rice sucks, in my opinion. But not as badly as rancid rice.

A word on grain mills. I did some research and this is the one I settled on. The store at the link had the best price and I've dealt with them before and have been pleased with the experience. I see they are currently on backorder. I like manual things. It's not too much work to grind by hand for a small family. The mill can be adapted to be driven by a bicycle for larger amounts as well as an electric motor. I believe there's a kit available for conversion.

A word on freeze dried foods. Two words: Get some. You can only live on hard red winter wheat and protein powder for so long. Grains and protein powder are a great and inexpensive way to boost the calories you have stored. You'll need some variety. Mountain House is the flagship brand. Two vendors I have used are here and here. Get on their email list for notification of sales. One recently had Mountain House on sale for 20-25% off. I've called Mountain House and they will not offer discounts for large orders to individuals. Storing freeze dried food above 70 degrees F. dramatically shortens shelf life. Cooler is better. Mountain House has been around long enough to discover by actual testing that their food maintains somewhere around 90% of its nutritional content after 30 years of proper storage (this is from memory, but the folks at Mountain House were very helpful in providing documentation on request). Mountain House has been criticized for the high sodium content of their meals. Their food is designed for very active people who are losing electrolytes through perspiration.

Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey Protein. Turd recommends this on his site. I couldn't agree more. If you have a high protein diet, this is an easy and efficient way to get the protein you need. I get mine from; prices and service are great. I've used it daily for years and it's also a core part of my food storage program. That said, everyone has a different digestive system. If for some reason you can't digest Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey Protein, try another quality brand. This means buy a small amount first and see if it works in your system before buying 100 pounds of it. Unbelievable flatulence is only funny for about the first five minutes. Trust me on this.

Big Berkey and other water filters. Also recommended on Turd's site. Most people claim this is the gold standard in gravity water filters. I went with the Katadyn Ceradyn instead because A) I have used Katadyn ceramic filters for over 25 years with excellent results and B) the Ceradyn's ceramic filters are good for 40,000 gallons of filtration before they need to be replaced. And it's a little less expensive than the Big Berkey. If you are filtering turbid water, your filters will last longer and work more quickly if you can either per-filter the water or have a holding tank where it is allowed to settle out before being run though the filter. I'm sure the Big Berkey will serve you well; this is an alternative.

In closing, I have a file of quotes I've collected over the last handful of years. Jefferson, Jesus, Hitler, Stalin, Bonhoeffer, Bastiat, et al. Perhaps my favorite is from my wife who, back in 2009, said, "I sure hope the day comes when we can have a good laugh at ourselves for doing this." I reminded her of what she said this past summer. She replied, "Unfortunately, I don't think that's going to be the case." I hope the above information is of some small help.

In liberty,

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Gramp · Dec 17, 2011 - 11:51am



survivalwstyle · Dec 17, 2011 - 12:02pm

love it bro

way to go! 

Eric Original · Dec 17, 2011 - 12:12pm

Excellent info Nathaniel.

Excellent info Nathaniel. thanks. yes

Agreed, protein is the critical issue. If TSHTF, proteins will be the toughest things to get your hands on. Canned bacon, ham, and salmon anyone?

It also wouldn't hurt to learn a little bit about some of the traditional food combining techniques as well. Beans and Rice for a complete protein, for example.

Sneed Hearn · Dec 17, 2011 - 12:12pm

And then shut up

It's not going to help much if your neighbors or friends realize you have prepared and they, of course, have not. Yes, be prepared to defend yourself but, better yet, keep your preparations absolutely quiet so you do not have to. The level of desperation that would accompany a SHTF situation can not be exaggerated or even comprehended. So shut up.

Chicagofarmer · Dec 17, 2011 - 12:16pm

There is much more to

There is much more to consider.

One of the most common questions I'm asked today from people who are aware of what's really going on is, "Should I leave the USA to get away from the coming police state?" Three years ago, I would have said YES, but today, after having experienced such an effort myself and now having a clear understanding of the ramifications of such an effort, I must urge people to reconsider. As you'll read here, you may ultimately be far safer and more successful living right where you are, in your "home country," even if that home country becomes a police state.

I've lived in many countries, by the way: Taiwan, Australia and Ecuador. I've traveled extensively throughout Asia, giving seminars in Singapore, Hong Kong and Malaysia. I've traveled across England, France, Spain and even Portugal. Spent quite a bit of time in Central America and South America. I speak decent Spanish and decent Chinese, so there's almost nowhere I go in the world that I can't speak to the local people in either English, Spanish or Mandarin Chinese. I've seen extreme wealth, extreme poverty and extreme corruption in all its world flavors, and I've seen what corruption does to nations and its populations, first hand.

maravich44 survivalwstyle · Dec 17, 2011 - 12:20pm

@survivalwstyle. 500. spEaks.

.how many left to go bRo? would you consider dropping some *For Everyman* Jackson Browne, herE in theSpEAk?..EDIT: Sorry guys/gals . Wrong Forum, Speak intended.

Ricky · Dec 17, 2011 - 12:26pm

Other prep resources

Check out for his 'what should I do?' series (WSID?) Lots of good info.

Beez · Dec 17, 2011 - 12:36pm

@Sneed "so shut up"

I stopped spreading "the get prepared word" when friends said "why should we bother, we'll just go to your house." Yikes!

Sneed Hearn Beez · Dec 17, 2011 - 12:41pm

So shut up plus

@ beez

And they weren't kidding.

Snaws · Dec 17, 2011 - 12:44pm

Protein is Highly

Protein is Highly overly worried about. The American western diet is far too obsessed with eating meat and dairy for good health, the the lowest animal protein eating nations have the lowest disease.

Economical Disaster · Dec 17, 2011 - 12:49pm

About Gold: Don’t

About Gold: Don’t Panic!!!

It’s momentary—and it’s because of the euro.

This post is adapted from analysis which appeared last week in The Strategic Planning Group.

For those of us watching the gold markets—that is, those of us anticipating the collapse of the euro and the eventual collapse of the dollar—the last week has been a scary ride: Gold has fallen over 8.6%, from a high of $1,730 on December 7 to $1,580 on December 14.

WTF???, I can practically hear everyone say. The fundamentals would point to gold being a safe haven play—it should not be falling: If anything, it ought to be rising.

But a fall of 8.6%? In a week?

The first thing that pops into my head is, Don’t Panic!!

The second thing that pops into my head is, This is to be expected—and is only a temporary pullback.

ned braden · Dec 17, 2011 - 12:53pm

Chicago Farmer - GREAT LINK

And a superb analysis of the dilemma.

Hat tip to ya!

Xeno · Dec 17, 2011 - 1:08pm

Great write up Nathaniel ;D

Great write up Nathaniel ;D Thanks for the posting of it TF ;D

Not to encourage a panic, but TSHTF stuff has been rolling for quite a while now. While I am confident many people have been getting ready, as noted there is still a vast majority that simply haven't or are clueless about the situation we all face. It is that total lack of preparedness and/or lack of understanding that I think is the greatest threat. 3 Cheers to Turd and the many others who have been working to raise the awareness levels and put a dent in that 99% of unawarenessness. But evenso, if you are preparing or are already prepared, do not under any circumstance tell anyone! and that includes your kids because kids don't fully understand and they do talk and if indeed TSHTF, then you will be raided for sure.

It's my hope that the decent people in positions of, uh, influence shall we say, understand the ramifications of passing the tipping point. I think they do and the criminal prosecutions working their way through the system bear that out, I think.

I'm of the opinion that a debt default, or forgiveness, can be accomplished relatively peacefully with a simultaneous revaluation of the base monitary asset(s) in order to fill the hole and rebalance the system. It would not be an easy thing to do but at least it would allow the nation to pick up and move forward from where we are without falling much further down a deep dark dank hole.

Would you need everything you got in the way of preps? No doubt. But at least the world wouldn't go completely insane. The burden of debt would be removed and if all you had was nothing and debt, you'd still have nothing but at least you could move forward. If you have something and debt, you would at least have a little something left over and could move forward. But if you have something, namely silver and gold, and no debt, then you will be greatly rewarded for your prudence. Sure, you may be a target to some but if the large percentage of uninformed people are relieved of their burden of debt and can move forward, then there would certainly be a higher level of continuity in society as a whole as opposed to the rampant rampaging of ignorance that a complete breakdown would create.

Prepare for the worst, and hope for the best. There are rational minds out there capable of guiding us all through what yet may come, but it looks like it's going to be balls to the wall, time wise, before the rational win out over ignorance and the corrupt. And time wise, that's now a mighty fine line.

So, any bets on which nation is the first to officially revalue its gold and when?

European American · Dec 17, 2011 - 1:14pm

Food is your Best Medicine

Eat 80% Alkaline foods, 20% Acid foods. Chew your food well. Drink Pure water. Enjoy your life. Remember, 1 out of 5 people you meet today (20% of American population) is on anti depressant medication. 1 out of 2 people you meet (50% of American population) was/is on some form of Rx Drug this month. Be thankful if you are mentally and physically free of that world.

Xeno · Dec 17, 2011 - 1:20pm


Aye Smiddy! 3 cheers for the boilermakers!!!

Smiddywesson European American · Dec 17, 2011 - 1:20pm

Food is your best medicine

Remember, 1 out of 5 people you meet today (20% of American population) is on anti depressant medication. 1 out of 2 people you meet (50% of American population) was/is on some form of Rx Drug this month.

My stash of PMs is my antidepressant

Smiddywesson · Dec 17, 2011 - 1:29pm

Don't need food

I stack food too, but no matter what I stack, PMs, guns, food, it can be used up or taken away from me when people start to band together. They can't take what I know. 

The best preparation for a true collapse is to have the skills they need. Unfortunately, I'm not a doctor, so a little thought identified the one field that everyone will need if society breaks down, steam.

In an end of the world scenario, a competent steam engineer can go anywhere and be taken in, because anyone who can design, put together, and operate a steam power plant can give a group transportation (trains, trucks, boats), mechanized infantry, large scale farming, communications, health care, hot showers, air conditioning, washing machines, and refrigeration. They might not need a doctor, but nobody is going to turn down ice cream and movie night.

I'm working on a flavor called Peppermintdollarcrunch.

Missiondweller · Dec 17, 2011 - 1:33pm

BBQ meat in the freezer first

Its a good point that people will be attracted to the smell of food once they run out. You can smell BBQ from a block away, especially when you are hungry. Seems to me you would want to eat this first before hunger sets in with your neighbors, especially if you lose electricity since you can't preserve it anyway.

Later on, your rice, oats & wheat (or Mt House foods) will attract less attention.

Perhaps its because I live in a city (San Francisco) that I'm keenly aware of this. Its also the reason I keep large gas cans of gas in case I need to "bail out" and leave the city. If stores don't get food deliveries, cities will quickly become dangerous places. An expert once said we are 9 meals (3 days) from anarchy and total chaos at any moment in time.

The Green Manalishi · Dec 17, 2011 - 1:34pm

Trustee to Seize and Liquidate Even the Stored Customer Gold....

Trustee to Seize and Liquidate Even the Stored Customer Gold and Silver Bullion From MF Global

The bottom line is that apparently some warehouses and bullion dealers are not a safe place to store your gold and silver, even if you hold a specific warehouse receipt. In an oligarchy, private ownership is merely a concept, subject to interpretation and confiscation.

Velocity · Dec 17, 2011 - 1:46pm

Apologies but...

, eyes glazed over reading this!

I'm sure having stored food and water is a good idea simply in case your money gets torched in the banking implosion as a stored safety net.

But if you've got some cash and heavy metals you're going to find plenty of shops open and that's before we even go into the black market (it'll probably be the only market expanding in the Depression). You might also like to get anything else you so desire through the Post with mail order or internet orders (you can get stuff from Hong Kong in 3-5 days for Christs' sake... the World is your oyster)

Sorry if i sound blaze but this bunker mentality is un-necessary ...come Heaven or Hell, the market always works (no not the Crimex!)

Urban Roman The Green Manalishi · Dec 17, 2011 - 1:46pm

Re: Trustee to Seize ...

Wow, that's amazing!

It must be time to watch that South Park episode again ...

Annd it's gone!

Jack · Dec 17, 2011 - 1:52pm

Some thoughts

Thank you Nathaniel and Turd for directing our thoughts back to food preparations. After reading Nathaniel's excellent post, I have 2 thoughts to share:

1. When gathering food storage, think about what your family is accustomed to eating.

My family is part of a culture that has encouraged food storage since at least the '60's. Growing up in the '70's, I can remember the 2000 lbs of wheat stored under the stairs in the basement of my parents home. Most of it is still there, though 35 yrs. later probably good only for sprouting. I do not criticize anyone buying turkey red wheat and freeze dried foods with 20-30 yr shelf lives for storage. But consider for a moment about the myriad SHTF possibilities. We cannot tell exactly what is going to happen, but we may have an idea of approximately when. Will it be in 20-30 yrs? Most here, myself included measure the time remaining before TSHTF in months to a few years.

Why not consider getting non-perishable foods that can be stored for several years, and rotate through them. In our family, we store dried beans, brown rice, oat flour, coconut milk, canned tomatoes, peaches, applesauce, frozen corn, raspberries, blueberries, etc. that we consume every day. We maintain a years supply and rotate through what we have. We just try to make sure that we use the oldest supplies first. We still have a ways to go, but have been budgeting to build a greenhouse with propane heating to have year round greens, solar panels for the freezer and eventually the house, and wood burning stoves.

2. When TSGTF, what about our neighbors?

Many here express heartfelt concern about becoming targets when the disaster strikes. I do not criticize this and also believe we have to prepare accordingly. I also believe we should have lead and brass along with Au and Ag and I agree that our preparations should be done quietly. However, we may be missing something if we only do the above. What will it be like when it starts to get really bad? Will it be a scenario like The Road with perpetual winter, no resources, and rampant cannibalism or will it be like Alas Babylon with a return to more primitive conditions, survival in pockets, with small groups gathering together to survive and protect themselves from roving bands of hoodlums. I believe there will probably be both scenarios playing out depending on where you are.

Right now, we have a little time. Why not take some of that time to build community right where you are. It is Christmas. Though this sounds like an episode from The Waltons,  our family took homemade loaves of bread and raspberry jam from our 1/2 acre of berries to all our neighbors. One of our elderly neighbors returned with dried garlic and pickled asparagus from their garden. We trade raspberries for chicken eggs with another neighbor. It can go on and on. Now, when TSHTF, will all this prevent one of those neighbors from torturing my daughter to get to my food storage? Maybe not, but what does it hurt to try. If anything, building a stronger relationship within our communities makes us feel better in this time of rampant greed and corruption.

Just a thought or two. When TSHTF, survival is important, but survival with style is better.

Santa's Elf · Dec 17, 2011 - 1:59pm


Thanks Nathaniel! If I could add to your already outstanding post, I can't say enough about water. I think the majority of us tend to focus on storing food and neglect water. That being the case, while it's difficult to store, if you don't have a source nearby, it's a must...rumor has it, we can't live long without it! We have a river fairly close, but my water storage still consists of:

1) 55-gallon, food-quality blue drums (not very easy to move around, but their value goes without saying)

2) Katadyn Combi filter (like Nathaniel, I love the ceramic filters...not to mention they're impregnated with silver...heh heh).

3) Berkey Light filter (I have a Katadyn largely because it's portable. However, hand pumping will get pretty old if you have a large family like I do. I actually made my own for about half the price. Here's a sample link of how to do just that: )

4) Small jugs of stored water (everytime I get an empty juice bottle, soda bottle, etc....I rinse it out with soapy water, fill with water, and throw it in my crawlspace...eventually that water could be poured through my filter to drink if need be)

5) Coffee filters (I have these on hand to strain out sediment before filtering. This will prolong the life of your filter...even a t-shirt would work) **Edit...Alien Eyes already covered this one

AlienEyes · Dec 17, 2011 - 2:10pm

Good Info !

I also went with the Katadyn Ceradyn water filter and I buy coffee filters in bulk at Sam's. I use three at a time when filtering turbid water. It will be used as a back-up only when there is no power.

IF you have power, there is an alternative way to clarify and purify water that is simple and quite effective. It's called the "Mister Coffee/Britta System". The Britta part is optional but probably does (very) slightly improve the safety. Here's how it works:

1) Pre-filter the water by letting it settle out and then running the top 2/3 of it through three coffee filters. (a clean, one gallon sized pickle jar with a little thin, plastic coated wire works great to rig the top of the jar to hold the three filters in place) Place a large pure silver coin between the coffee filters. (requires only two coins). When this is done, water puro tabs or one drop of bleach (per gallon) can be added although it's not really necessary.

2) Then run the pre-filtered water through a 12 cup coffee maker two or three times using another new coffee filter each time. This boils the water almost to a complete vapor. It also kills almost any bad stuff including amoeba, bacteria and coated (encased) pathogens like anthrax as well as parasites like flukes and flat worms. It also removes or reduces any volatile pollutants that become vapor below the boiling point of water (including bleach). Always leave the top up when using the coffee maker. 3) Next, if you like, run the water through a "Britta" and then drink less than 33% the cost of a ceramic filter system. Next up: Drugs (medical legal) and how to legally acquire them.
SS121 · Dec 17, 2011 - 2:21pm


If otherwise productive people are burdened by a corrupt, fake, Godless financial system (holes in their bucket), and then this system gives every indication that it, and it alone, appears to be nearing it's natural end.... then why is there so much fear and angst and worry? Answer- Because those who have been a part of, believed in, and put so much faith in this financial system are having difficulty distinguishing the holes from the bucket. What makes the garden grow, Sunshine or financial services?? Ya gotta keep it separated.

As surely as it is written, the people failed to do things as God instructed, and that small people, that stranger within, has slowly and surely built their world system. They lend to the world, but the world doesn't lend to them, they have became the head, and the world has become the tail. But now that world-wide financial system seems to be suffering great plagues! My my, what to do what to do...

Well, the last time such a great system (Egypt 1490ish B.C.) received such plagues it eventually led to a near complete collapse, and all those enslaved were eventually free. Consider the minds of the enslaved during those plagues. Did they bemoan how the system they had been forced to serve under was suffering from the plagues? Or did they look forward to the better days ahead and the freedom which those plagues were bringing to pass? Short answer= Both. Some bemoaned, some looked forward. Now consider the mindset here. Are we going to continue to feed the egos of the taskmasters of this world-wide disaster by pretending that great preparations must occur just in case this total fiasco ever falters? Are we going to continue to focus on all the little parts and pieces of the failing system? Or should we look forward to the freedom ahead? Maybe even study The Book written to us by He who created Silver and Gold and prepare to go forward with a clear understanding of exactly how this whole thing is going down?

How many discussions here clearly understand that Silver and Gold are the only true money? It's obvious to all. But then what happens as the discussions turn to predictive analysis/prophecy, (what's going to happen?) and how to prepare for it. What happens then is that everybody looks to their own understanding, or pulls from that which has been instilled in them by the Religious or Education system and out comes 1,000,001 flavors of confusion. Everything from pallets of canned bacon to zombie wars!!

But there is no need to speculate, guess or worry about what is going to happen. It's all written, in detail.

1 Cor 10.11Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

If you read the book of Exodus this weekend, pray for understanding and be mindful as you read that those events are telling you in great detail where we are today and exactly how this goes down. The plagues on the system, the EE, it's all there and you will have a much clearer perspective on what is going on and how to prepare..... Just keep stackin! (yes, both)

Orange · Dec 17, 2011 - 2:34pm

Purify Water

Get some Chlorine Dioxide.

Also learn about MMS and Jim Humble. He is trying to stay under the radar, and insists people who sell products based on his formulations don't do so for more than $20. You can make it yourself from Chlorine Dioxide.

Use it to clean water, and after doing your own DD, use it for many other ailments he claims works.

I have taken it, for no special medical ailment, and can tell you I am still around. Whatever the case, he is an interesting character and it is obvious he is not out there to sell snake oil or make money from his findings.

maravich44 · Dec 17, 2011 - 2:39pm


.you just saved me mucho fiat and a TSA patdown as I just canceled my trip to the Vatican../

KK · Dec 17, 2011 - 3:13pm

And don't forget this !

Sometimes paper has more value than gold.

LifeIsPain Snaws · Dec 17, 2011 - 3:35pm

Americans need less protein, meat, and dairy

Great info, Nathaniel, except for a few things. Current recommendations for protein intake are excessive. This is probably propaganda put forth by the meat and dairy industry. There's evidence that Americas get too much protein and it's probably harmful. (There's also a myth that animal protein is superior to vegetable protein--it's not; although some vegetable protein is incomplete this is easily remedied by eating a variety of vegetables, e.g., grains and legumes.) A more reasonable daily requirement is on the order of 25 - 30 grams a day. Also, there's a myth that soy protein interferes with testosterone. In theory it could; in reality it doesn't because it would require massive amounts. Japanese men eat lots of soy and they certainly aren't effeminate, infertile or have low testosterone. For those who are interested in these topics and the medical aspects of vegetarianism I recommend looking at the website run by Dr. John McDougal.

silveralchemist · Dec 17, 2011 - 3:37pm

Stop playing the fear game!!!! Get Extra to Share or Barter!!!!

Stop playing the fear game!! In fear you are already defeated!!!

If this happens we are all going to go through it together. We all may be knowledgeable enough to prepare while others may not. When the SHTF are we just going to let people starve while we live with our food and metals??? This 'everyone for themselves', disconnection, and fear of others taking your stuff is exactly how we got here!!!!

The whole game is one of fear!!! It is what runs the monetary is what runs the military...and everything separates us from each other....and it is only when we work together that the people truly have their power!!!!

With fear and 'everyone for themselves' mind state we allowed the death of our country and the death of freedom!!! 

DO NOT give in to it. There is abundance if you share, and believe in each other!!!! 

To thrive as humans we need to work together and share resources, and co-create. At the very least barter. If not, then we have all already been defeated!!!

If we continually believe that we are all going to have to lie to each other, fight off each other, and watch others die around us, and live in fear...then what's the point?!?!?!

We are better than that!!!

This is an opportunity to come together in your local community, to harmonize, to share, and create something special.

In my city we have created dozens of local neighborhood farms, many swaps(gifting circles), eco-villages, barter circles, and a trust family of people who support, believe, and co-create with each other...we are not afraid as we have each other....

You don't need to live in is up to you to make a difference, and to create a better community, and a better world. 

Be the change!!

Peace and Love 

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