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tankerfirstofficerTom L
Aug 1, 2011 - 12:41pm

Tom L, I'm enjoying your commentary here as well.

Tom L, I'm enjoying your commentary here as well.

Tom L
Aug 1, 2011 - 9:47am

@tankfirstofficer

Excellent post. Thanks.

Ta,

Tom LIrene
Aug 1, 2011 - 9:46am

Anarchy is not

Anarchy is not self-governance because, you know what, you don't live just by your lonesome self and that definition doesn't define relationships between people.

Actually, here I must respectfully disagree. All voluntary human interaction is anarchic. No government is forcing you to tell me where you think I'm wrong about the consequences of human exchange and society. You did it freely and I was free to choose to listen or not as I saw fit.

Anarchy is the 'absence of government,' nothing more, nothing less.

Every time we interact with someone peacefully and without coercion (that statement is really redundant) we are practicing anarchy.

The 'anarchists' who throw bombs at G20 meetings aren't anarchists anymore than 'libertarians' who advocate military intervention, or fascists who advocate the 'free market.' I understand the meanings of words can be corrupted, but that doesn't change their meaning, only their connotation.

Whether or not you or I believe that anarchy is a possibly practical implementation of social order on a grand scale is completely irrelevant to the discussion of what and how humans act individually. There is no macro economics, there is only micro. That is the most important take-away from Austrian Economics.

Ta,

tankerfirstofficer
Aug 1, 2011 - 3:57am

The Ultimate in Anarchy...

I am thankful that I did not have to procure a list of potential brides from some bureaucrat "in charge" of providing lists of potential brides in order to find -- then marry -- my wife.

My wife was selected in a governmental vacuum... a place of bliss, peace, cooperation, and harmony where government doesn't exist.

Which government agency or bureaucracy is in charge of which trucks are sent where in order to deliver the specific food mandated by said agency in any city?

Which undersecretary under Obama is responsible for repairing the bug that showed up in some open-source software project?

People are smart. Those who argue for "government" must argue that people aren't smart enough to lead non-coercive, peaceful, and voluntary lives... thus the "need" for a small group from among us who become demigods with fancy titles who suddenly have the wisdom, honor, and integrity to serve us.

But if we're so freaking dumb, how on earth can such an electorate understand the issues well enough to actually ELECT the right person -- upon whom we bestow the fancy title and who are adorned with some halo (not to mention all the weapons, including those nuclear in nature) following the ceremony?

No, I would maintain that the most rewarding, loving, caring, fruitful, productive, and inspiring episodes in my wonderful life were completely devoid of government... AND VICE VERSA.

We practice anarchy NOW... we simply need to expand its role in our lives.

Sure, there will still be assholes under anarchy, but it will be so phenomenally disadvantageous to actually BE one that there will be FAR FEWER of them.

Thanks for reading.

Tom L
Aug 1, 2011 - 1:20am

@Irene

I really don't need someone to tell me how it is that an organization with the monopoly use of aggressive force is going to protect my rights and property without first violating them. Means matter. Ends do not justify them.

To turn your point around, I think, frankly, that it is naive to think that humans will not exercise power when it is handed to them. Don't take that the wrong way, I get your point and may even understand why you want to live in that world, just fundamentally disagree. There are no gods walking among men. There is only us and someone will brutalize someone else if they can do so without fear of reprisal. I feel it's insane to institutionalize that situation regardless of what anyone projects the consequences to be, which are, of course, unknowable.

That is the bloody history of western civilization, native American civilization pre-smallpox was quite different, I understand completely the need to justify banding together in some coercive posse to protect us from the bad guys. I get it. The thin blue line and all that. I think it's an illusion. I don't think it's the path to peace. It is the path to violence and depredation of individuals rights. IMO, it's no more utopian than the communists forcing people to be anarchists by first submitting to a total authoritarian rule which stamps out their identity.

At least they're not pissing down my back and telling me it's raining.

If that's the world you want to live in, fine by me. Go do so and be happy. If you want to be a Socialist or a Communist, fine by me, do so with my blessing. Maybe that works for you. There are different solutions for different people. Just like we don't know how much money there should be we also don't know what form of social organization works for different people. Just don't make me join your club. If you do you may get my obedience but you'll never get my respect for the methods employed. And if you're reading this and saying, "fine, love it or leave it." spare me the details. I only benefit from the entrenched protection racket because of money stolen from me in the first place without the opportunity to bid for those same protection services from a different vendor.

Ta,

Darth Smokerrobreke
Jul 31, 2011 - 11:21pm

http://www.avaresearch.com/article_details-680.html

"In contrast, neither gold nor silver pay cash dividends, nor do they have inherent value (silver’s inherent value is minimal). Therefore, the price of each of these metals is only a reflection of the auction-related supply and demand (as well as periodic market manipulation which cannot be predicted consistently). Thus, unlike the case with Microsoft or other securities, the supply-demand force that determines precious metals pricing is not based on traditional valuation metrics...."

​A 1964 half dollar "exchange rate" is currently around $14 - a return of 2700%

$.50 "invested" in the Dow in 1964 is now worth $7.23 (dividends included)

More drivel ...."You see, gold bugs have never discussed the need for devising an exit strategy because they want you to think that gold will remain high forever...."

Never heard of the Dow/Gold ratio? https://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_08/hickel112108.html

Never heard of the Real Estate Ratio? https://goldsilver.com/video/gold-silver-when-to-sell-real-estate-when-t...(2)/

author reminds me of this little prick https://seekingalpha.com/article/273466-4-reasons-the-u-s-will-never-ret...

Tesla
Jul 31, 2011 - 10:47pm
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Jul 31, 2011 - 10:47pm

Shine on you Crazy Diamond

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ginger
Jul 31, 2011 - 10:38pm

LaMachinna, ..I don't know

LaMachinna, ..I don't know about that ..but I do know that going over all that math today I felt like I was about to lose my religion. ..lol

..Speaking of school ...Kumanari's videos from earlier today got me to thinking about what I believe is crucial and missing from the public school arena. ...CRITICAL THINKING. .....We (our kids) are programmed to go with the program. Just believe whatever is put out there for our kids to soak up. ....Thinking is a highly underrated/undervalued pasttime. .........However, math is highly overrated. :D

terri, I love your forum idea. Build it ..and they will come.. :]

Dakiniterri5125
Jul 31, 2011 - 10:36pm

@ terri5125 - Recipe Thread

"what do you all think if we started a thread or forum (whatever) that had recipes that we could print out that used MREs, "canned ham", ramen noodles, things that we have been canning, meat that we have cured, etc. to create easy meal ideas using what we may have if SHTF... meals that could be stretched using certain ingredients, or maybe meals that our grandparents used during depression times that would stretch to accomodate a family using small amounts of ingredients, etc.?? Thoughts?"

I LOVE to cook, so I love your idea of a starting a thread related to this topic. Perhaps it will make a good thread in the "Preparing Accordingly" forum. Would love to hear others ideas.

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