Another Update from JB and SFC

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Though things seem to have calmed temporarily, John and Steve continued their discussion last evening and, once again, you need to give it a listen.

Yes, there is a "cease fire" and yes, it is mostly holding. However, events continue to twist , turn and unfold in Ukraine. Parliamentary elections are coming up in less than four weeks and it's nearly impossible to predict the outcome at this point.

Again, if you have the time, please give this a thorough listen. The Ukraine Crisis is not one that will simply fade into the background. A new Cold War has begun and it's effect on TEOTGKE will be significant.



Mr. Fix's picture

The Ukrainian crisis that is not:

The United States government has been fully exposed in their role of starting this war, instilling the Nazi  puppet regime in Kiev, and have agreed to a “cease-fire”, because they are getting their asses kicked.

They are now moving on to greener pastures, by bombing towns and cities in Syria, they can pretend to be fighting terrorism, while working to overthrow another government.

The United States government has also declared war on its own populace, and currently, the frontline of the war  on America is in  Texas.

But of course, that's on an entirely different thread…

By the way,

I'M FIRST!!! cheeky

CPE's picture


getting cold in Ukraine...

4 oz's picture

MonyBags w/1 of his best!

InsAndArts's picture

One Year At "Mind Control Camp"

Would you sign up for a one year program that will change your core values?

How about signing up your kids or grandkids?

(This program works best on the young impressionable mind.)

BTW there is a cost for some tech hardware and usually monthly fees.

Did I mention that the teaching materials are sponsored by multinational corporations?

Great deal, huh?

Well, it might surprise you that the average American will spend one entire year of their lifetime (365 Days) watching TV commercials!

cris's picture

Not if you have a DVR

No reason to watch commercials.  And no reason to watch TV on someone else's schedule.  That's what a DVR is for.

Fulgurite's picture


Keep on buying the f*cking dip guys! Keep on grabbing that falling knife!

Don't say I didn't warn you! wink

Soon we'll have an "11" handle, and perhaps in early 2015 triple digits?

Oh yes, please don't think that I'm deriving any pleasure out of this. There is nothing I would love to see more in precious metals than a solid upward trend, because then I would slowly be stepping in again.

Unfortunately you guys keep on flogging a dead horse under the motto "this time it will be different."

No it will not: market sell offs = precious metals sell offs because people need the liquidity and cash to cover. Simple!

unwired's picture


Interesting.... so PM's are the main area to generate liquidity by selling. Nobody needs to raise cash and generate liquidity by selling stocks and bonds.... esp by prudently taking profits in a rising market... and especially with chaos, war and disease everywhere. You sell the shit out of a historical safe haven and you keep selling because you have so much that you need to unload to get a diminishing amount of cash in a collapsing market.

Makes perfect sense.

Marchas45's picture

O! Did I Just Tell You

I bought 2 rolls AE's last night for under $800 shipped LMAO Keep Stacking Be Prepared and don't listen to whiners yapping. Follow you insides. I Am. (By the way if you know what that means your ahead of the game)

zman's picture


The selling of PM's during the 2008 stock market sell off was proof that during a deflationary scenario, cash is king.

I think one of the biggest misconceptions is that a poor economy and weak stock markets should make PM prices move higher, that's not the case,  PM's move higher on inflationary fears.

At this point, there is no fear of inflation, we have no fiscal stimulus, we have no wage growth, we have no employment growth, we have weak demand for commodities,  and now we have the growing supply of domestic oil and gas.  This is why PM prices are where they are today.

abguy4's picture

@Ag, Its NO rest for me~!

That may be a refreshing break for you. Its NO rest for me~!

As an engineer it stands my hair on end.

First slide says;

"20 yrs......... 2,300,000 blocks of stone.

Doing the Math we have; One block placed every 2.5 minutes (of Daylight) for 20 yrs non-stop.


A great number of those blocks, so perfectly ''cut'' that a piece of paper can not be inserted at the edge and some like around the "Kings" chamber, weighing 100's of tons made of god awful hard GRANITE.

But, I know you know all that

Pick 52's picture

Today's Close

Turd, what are looking for today come 130 EST that might get the shorts feeling a little edgy?

Im feeling like this is gonna chop sideways til Friday morning...

Personally, I'll take anything between $1215-20 for starters today

Turd Ferguson's picture

I just posted for Vaulters


Today's action is totally different from the action of September and into the end of the quarter. Instead of selling and pushing back this rally, we have just moved to new daily highs. This is encouraging...for now.

AIJ's picture


WRONG WRONG . Need I say more?

AIJ's picture


WRONG WRONG . Need I say more?

dow2000's picture

Nailed it !

Perfect top tick comment, right at high noon!

Turd Ferguson's picture

I also posted this to yesterday's Ebola thread


Please watch. Very concerning. If new cases appear all over the world in the next few days, we have a serious problem on our hands.


Picabo's picture

If new US victims appear soon

Then it's airborne, I predict a rush to ER by people with all types of non related symptoms but very few if any new cased. You don't contract HIV by being on the same flight with someone...

Silver Patriot's picture

Ebola and Silver

Silver kills most viruses.... Does it Kill Ebola? If so, we need to be rolling in it!

ag1969's picture

Am I the only one with...

...a broken recent comments box?  It has looked like this for the whole morning:

Mr. Fix's picture


I've got the same box you've got.

PenchantForHoarding's picture

Re: If new US victims appear soon (Gross Neglect)

I said it over in the ZH comments yesterday, and will echo here with utter disgust:  what unfathomable hubris, arrogance, stupidity, and gross neglect by TPTB (that is if this isn't orchestrated) to let commercial aviation continue unchecked into this country from infected regions.  No different routes, no separate airports, just good ol' USArrogance.  W.  T.  F?!?!?

I've been talking about exponential growth curves and perilous scenarios on ebola for months and people look at me like I'm a sci-fy lunatic.  Idiots in my office (in NYC mind you), still scrolling thumbs on their trusty new iphones to idle away more hours on facebook, are universally oblivious.  You try and enlighten people, and they're literally not wired to process the information, then give you grief for watching too many episodes of doomsday preppers.  Sheesh.

But again, the failure of those in charge to just use ordinary garden variety common sense.  What in the F is wrong with the FAA/CDC letting a flying tube filled with hundreds of people, sitting in close proximity for 20 hours, rebreathing the same recycled air, using the same toilet, land in a major US city to walk around the terminal with everybody else?  You've got to be kidding me!

/Rant over! :)

4 oz's picture

Saw TFMR was down durning the overnight~~~


Turd Ferguson's picture

That was due to my server


That was due to my server company working on some upgrades.

ivars's picture

Calm before the storm;

Calm before the storm; creeping occupation of Ukraine continues, and West (USA) is helping. The plan is to put Putin in the corner where he will have to become more and more of an  aggressor to keep himself at power. Restriction of access to capital means he will need to control more resources instead of buying them ( e.g. baikonur and Uranium in Kazakhstan , transit routes military pathways in Baltics and Black Sea, Pipelines everywhere).  

Willingness to keep himself at power may be his only weakness. But that is more then enough to destroy Russian sovereignty after some wars. 

And its HOT war not cold. Indirectly so far, but actions from both sides in Ukraine is HOT war. 

Dr Jerome's picture

Bought the dip last night, again

The wife and I made a small AG purchase a couple of days ago.

Yesterday we received a check for the sale of a rental house and parked the modest proceeds in AU and AG late last night. I am still having an internal debate about the appropriate ratio we should buy. We bought 30 to 1 AG to AU, ounce for ounce. I hate to miss out on potential gains in AG, but I also like the security of AU for the long term.

Feeling good about the purchase today. Never have I exchanged so little odious fiat for so much valuable metal. Now we will see if the delivery time is longer than normal. Most products were still available. I wonder if we will see shortages at our small-player levels soon.


zman,    Perhaps this time, cash will not be so kingly. One can hope. But a pullback in one paper market will immediately extend to all markets. Perhaps the Asians will pile into metals instead of Yuan, Rupees and other fiat.

Markedtofuture's picture

More Fraud Exposed in Scottish Election

Move along nothing to see here...

Posted on October 1, 2014 by Martin Armstrong


Scottish man finds a bag full of “YES” votes in the Scottish Elections that have been trashed. This is just further evidence of election fraud. Based up the pattern and information and beliefs, the EU was behind ensuring that Scotland would reject separation from the UK because of fears of a European-wide contagion. EU vote counters were by no means independent. They were there to make sure the vote did not go against Europe.

The EU blocked referendums in Greece and Spain while staging a covert coup to drive Berlusconi from Italian politics because he saw the danger of Brussels and wanted to take Italy out of the Euro. Now Italy has entered deflation as interest in borrowing collapses, the hunt for taxes at the behest of Brussels has destroyed the economy resulting in a sharp drop in spending. Italy has been sold down the river and we will see this turn very violent after 2016.

Mr. Fix's picture

I think this covers me pretty well, how about you guys?

Below is a list of 72 types of Americans that are considered to be “extremists” and “potential terrorists” in official U.S. government documents.  To see the original source document for each point, just click on the link.  As you can see, this list covers most of the country…

1. Those that talk about “individual liberties”

2. Those that advocate for states’ rights

3. Those that want “to make the world a better place”

4. “The colonists who sought to free themselves from British rule”

5. Those that are interested in “defeating the Communists”

6. Those that believe “that the interests of one’s own nation are separate from the interests of other nations or the common interest of all nations”

7. Anyone that holds a “political ideology that considers the state to be unnecessary, harmful,or undesirable”

8. Anyone that possesses an “intolerance toward other religions”

9. Those that “take action to fight against the exploitation of the environment and/or animals”

10. “Anti-Gay”

11. “Anti-Immigrant”

12. “Anti-Muslim”

13. “The Patriot Movement”

14. “Opposition to equal rights for gays and lesbians”

15. Members of the Family Research Council

16. Members of the American Family Association

17. Those that believe that Mexico, Canada and the United States “are secretly planning to merge into a European Union-like entity that will be known as the ‘North American Union’”

18. Members of the American Border Patrol/American Patrol

19. Members of the Federation for American Immigration Reform

20. Members of the Tennessee Freedom Coalition

21. Members of the Christian Action Network

22. Anyone that is “opposed to the New World Order”

23. Anyone that is engaged in “conspiracy theorizing”

24. Anyone that is opposed to Agenda 21

25. Anyone that is concerned about FEMA camps

26. Anyone that “fears impending gun control or weapons confiscations”

27. The militia movement

28. The sovereign citizen movement

29. Those that “don’t think they should have to pay taxes”

30. Anyone that “complains about bias”

31. Anyone that “believes in government conspiracies to the point of paranoia”

32. Anyone that “is frustrated with mainstream ideologies”

33. Anyone that “visits extremist websites/blogs”

34. Anyone that “establishes website/blog to display extremist views”

35. Anyone that “attends rallies for extremist causes”

36. Anyone that “exhibits extreme religious intolerance”

37. Anyone that “is personally connected with a grievance”

38. Anyone that “suddenly acquires weapons”

39. Anyone that “organizes protests inspired by extremist ideology”

40. “Militia or unorganized militia”

41. “General right-wing extremist”

42. Citizens that have “bumper stickers” that are patriotic or anti-U.N.

43. Those that refer to an “Army of God”

44. Those that are “fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation)”

45. Those that are “anti-global”

46. Those that are “suspicious of centralized federal authority”

47. Those that are “reverent of individual liberty”

48. Those that “believe in conspiracy theories”

49. Those that have “a belief that one’s personal and/or national ‘way of life’ is under attack”

50. Those that possess “a belief in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism”

51. Those that would “impose strict religious tenets or laws on society (fundamentalists)”

52. Those that would “insert religion into the political sphere”

53. Anyone that would “seek to politicize religion”

54. Those that have “supported political movements for autonomy”

55. Anyone that is “anti-abortion”

56. Anyone that is “anti-Catholic”

57. Anyone that is “anti-nuclear”

58. “Rightwing extremists”

59. “Returning veterans”

60. Those concerned about “illegal immigration”

61. Those that “believe in the right to bear arms”

62. Anyone that is engaged in “ammunition stockpiling”

63. Anyone that exhibits “fear of Communist regimes”

64. “Anti-abortion activists”

65. Those that are against illegal immigration

66. Those that talk about “the New World Order” in a “derogatory” manner

67. Those that have a negative view of the United Nations

68. Those that are opposed “to the collection of federal income taxes”

69. Those that supported former presidential candidates Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin and Bob Barr

70. Those that display the Gadsden Flag (“Don’t Tread On Me”)

71. Those that believe in “end times” prophecies

72. Evangelical Christians


Are you starting to understand?

When government officials speak of the need to crack down on “extremists” and “potential terrorists”, that is a very dangerous thing.

The truth is that they could be talking about you.

Dr. P. Metals's picture


Anyone who is anti-christian or pro jihadi-Muslim is ok then since neither of those are on the list! Whew...was worried there for a sec /sarc

Barfly's picture

Having trouble with....

The gold and silver charts updating, as well. Mine are stuck at about 10 AM.

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