TFMR Podcast #23 - The Jim Willie Trifecta

This is a great forum, and it brings together an eclectic group of people who call bullshit on the system. 

That these minds here are not a little more open as to some of the possible undercurrents, is to me, a shame. I mean, how can just the Fed for example, have had such enduring power for a century, within the group understanding that cock-up and randomness (rather than conspiracy) determines events and the unfolding of history.

A hidden power structure is one explanation why voting changes nothing, why American presidents have been shot (don't forget, Reagan was shot early in his first term), why certain wars happen, why bodies such as Fed can exist (not accountable to, voted in by, or removable by, the public, or any other process known to man). 

From the pattern of votes over the topic as raised, it is clear that the topic is not for this blog. I would add though as a parting thought to ponder, that the old banking families then resident in Europe, 'the Octopus' if you will, were scheming to take back control of the USA ever since its independence in 1776, and they scored a major victory in 1913. These dynasties go back a lot further than 1776; they have been around for millenia. All this stuff about PM price suppression, is just one, relatively inconsequential symptom, of the way that our world is run.

Oh well.

When it does I'll stop hat tipping, that's a deal I can't lose at.

Great chat T!  You two should start a talk show!  How can we get JW on CNBS?  Sneak him in as a Keynsian blow hard or something.  ( :

Get up stand up!

For years, TB refuses to believe it's US government behind the whole silver suppression. He always thinks it's just these banks are trading recklessly despite other people pointing the finger at the PPT.

Well, better late than never. When will Doug Casey see the light next?

Anthony Sutton's well-footnoted works shed light on Wall Street support of the Bolsheviks, Hitler, and FDR (and these are available online)

WALL STREET AND THE BOLSHEVIK REVOLUTION

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/index.html

also

WALL STREET AND  HITLER

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/index.html

and

WALL STREET AND  FDR http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-fdr.html

If you have a look at Sutton's writing then it may make sense to you why the "Naked Communist" author W. Cleon Skousen went on to write "The Naked Capitalist" after Bella Dodd (former member of the US Communist National Committee) told him that during World War II US Communists (in the absence of communication with Russia) could get instructions from one of three people at Waldorf Towers (all wealthy American capitalists), and that those instructions were always ratified by Moscow.

These materials indicate that Russia and the US(Both Republicans and Democrats) are likely controlled by the same people, and make me suspect that the "Fall of the Soviet Empire" was mostly theater. 

Sutton and Skousen don't indicate who controls China or Korea,  so there could be some hope that Jim Willie's "Eastern Interests" or Fulford's "White Dragon" could possibly be acting on their own instead of having the same controllers.

In summary, much of what you are sure of regarding Capitalists and Communists and Nazis (and what I am sure of as well) could be very wrong.  DYODD

Turd, I am glad you corrected the physical reference. But, the initial claim by London Trader does not stand up to scrutiny.

515 metric tons would be 515,000 kilos which, (at 32.15 T oz/kg), is 16,557,250 oz traded in the 4 hours prior to and during Bernanke's testimony on June 7....so, if my math is correct we have the claim that approx 16.5m ounces of paper gold sold in London then.

Netdania is an interesting source for gold volume. They provide the number of ounces of gold traded by 5 of the 6 largest liquidity providers (Bullion Banks) in the London market. There are additional bullion banks so the figures are less than the total.

During those 4 hours on June 7 Netdania records 74.8 million ounces traded...the price fell from $1628 to $1577.

Almost as much as 4 hours on June 1st when 84.5 million ounces traded and the price rose from $ $1544 to $1617, (which was TF's long predicted short squeeze, ie manipulation).

I am trying not to be snarky, just accurate. This "staggering/shocking"* selling of 515 metric tons is now being breathlessly repeated as evidence of ... well I am not quite sure what it is really claimed to be evidence of because it is actually far less than was actually traded and all it does do, in my mind, is cast doubt on the reliability of the information provided by these experts.

So, while I might be persuaded to let JW's Kennedy eccentricity pass and I do accept your assurance of the credibility of JW's source, this inaccuracy in basic information is particularly unfortunate as it just gives ammunition to detractors, (eg Erik T on the Chris Martenson/Harvey Organ interview for one), who then go on to claim that there is no manipulation at all.

*KWN

The phrase " He who has the gold makes the rules" was "coined" by Romulus Augustus in AD 477 as he fled Rome, which was fallen to the heathen. Actually the quote was "he who has the silver makes the rules" .  Rome had been debasing silver by adding dross to their coinage for many decades. JP Morgan 1580 years later perfected the art of "drossing" the silver, through fiat (naked notional nonsensical) short selling. This hastened the fall of the American empire.  Nevertheless, the patient .999ers (those who held patiently) proved that patience was worth more than all the naked short selling combined as silver rose 100x between 2013-2020. Filling the paper market with the real thing. Thus ends my disconnected non- provable blathering.

165,000 contracts (16.5m oz) on Comex plus 74.8m oz (minimum) in London...and the reference was London.

I had a go at Erik T and Jeff Christian on that thread for their reliance on dubious information. I think we (myself included) should all be as rigorous as possible in establishing facts.  

Moving on, Comex (Futures) is estimated to be a fraction of London (where Spot is reportedly estimated at 90%, swaps and futures 5% ea). A few people have tried to estimate that fraction as well as the ratio of paper to physical and I am reviewing their work to try and make sense of it all. I really don't know if it is important or not, but it interests me. I'll report back.

Another great Willie interview, he is the best in my opinion, and so is his track record. I guess we should be looking for the 10 year bond to approach the 1.00% yield,  will this tell us we are near the end of the road?

http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2012/6/8_London_Trader_-_Staggering_515_Tons_of_Gold_Sold_in_4_Hours.html

my bad!

"Losing my Religion" is a southern US term for getting angry.

The turds at Curis Resources are making me both ashamed to be a Canadian and seriously losing my religion. Check it out folks.

http://neer-do-well-hall-of-infamey.blogspot.ca/

I don't buy the Skousen conspiracy theory that the bankers are running the communists in Russia and China. I tend to agree with J.R. Nyquist's viewpoint. Golitsyn revealed the Russian master plan in his book, "New Lies for Old" written in 1984. He defected from Russia. Everything he wrote would happen has happened so far. http://www.jrnyquist.com/
 

See also the Final Phase Forum where those who see the Russian Geopolitical gameplan share their thinking. http://thefinalphaseforum.invisionzone.com/index.php?s=9bce6f8223edcb6e93fbf9e88910aac9&showforum=3

That these minds here are not a little more open as to some of the possible undercurrents, is to me, a shame. I mean, how can just the Fed for example, have had such enduring power for a century, within the group understanding that cock-up and randomness (rather than conspiracy) determines events and the unfolding of history.

A hidden power structure is one explanation why voting changes nothing, why American presidents have been shot (don't forget, Reagan was shot early in his first term), why certain wars happen, why bodies such as Fed can exist (not accountable to, voted in by, or removable by, the public, or any other process known to man). 

From the pattern of votes over the topic as raised, it is clear that the topic is not for this blog.

​Byzantium - this is rather clearly directed at me, so let me respond.  I have not claimed that the Fed is simply cock-up and randomness.  It was clearly set up with mal-intent, but it is run by humans who are not robots, or all in on 'the' conspiracy, and who do 'cock-up' (if they get lucky) all the time.   What I will absolutely argue against is one master plan, slowly working over the ages, unchanged in intent and membership, and only seen from this North American/European centric lens.

Do you really believe that all the presidential assassinations were ordered by the 'same people'?  And that these same people have controlled the outcomes of ALL elections? or just in the States?   Why 'certain' wars happen? What about the other wars?  Why can the Fed continue to exist?  It has become indispensable to the working of the US government, as intended.  And I know the quotes about controlling the money - but do they actually control the money anymore?  Or the country?   Or was the plan to destroy the very currency that was making them rich?  Do you really think Bernanke has only one boss?

I have given quite a long list of competing players previously, but you can just claim they are all actually run by the same shadowy gang.   Do you think the Japanese invading China in WWWII was also directed by the Rothschilds (let's make the hundred pound gorilla visible)?  That they first wanted Obama and now want Romney?   Or what just happened in Wisconsin, were they there too?  Are they directing the Justice Department on preventing voter rolls from being checked or are they getting the rolls checked in the first place?  Did they elect Bush or Gore?

But most of all, do you think they had a crystal ball and could see 300 years, or however many you want, into the future and could envision the Euro, Mount St Helen's, the internet, digital anything?  Airplanes?  Television?  And what about all the Eastern players, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot?  Or Gorbachev and then Putin?  Drones?  Did they invent Al Qaeda and the CIA, the Muslim Brotherhood and the Mormons?  The Mafia and the Vatican?  

I am more disappointed when intelligent minds posit a simplistic solution to what is an incredibly complex probem.  Yes, the rich and powerful try to stay rich and powerful and they are good at it.  But there are a lot of them and they all have to watch their backs all the time - being a monarch was not a very secure job in the past, and most modern monarchies have been dismantled.  Surely that was not in 'their' interests.  Believing that everything is controlled and you have no power is, frankly, the best evidence I have for there being a conspiracy.  But assigning one cause to multiple outcomes strikes me as more closed-minded (as you suggest of me above) than thinking there might be more than one 'hidden power structure' amongst 7 billion people spread out on 6 continents. (Sorry Antarctica - if you are calling the shots, or are actually head-quarters, please forgive me.)