TFMR Podcast #14 - Ned Naylor-Leyland Discusses PAGE, Silver and True Price Discovery

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“You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”

― Richard Buckminster Fuller

Please stop what you're doing and listen to this extremely important interview with Ned Naylor-Leyland of Cheviot Asset Management in London.

Many have wondered what happened to the Pan Asia Gold Exchange. We were all excited last summer when we first heard about it but, then, things went eerily quiet. Today, Ned Naylor-Leyland and Andrew Maguire are finally able to go public with an update on PAGE and, more importantly, information on a brand new exchange that will soon begin trading a spot, physical silver contract.

Please do three things for me:

  1. Listen to this entire podcast.
  2. Read the research note below that Ned published today for Cheviot clients.
  3. Listen to Andy Maguire's interview with Eric King. It can be found here: http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2012/3/2_Whistleblower_Maguire_-_US_Entity_Interferes_in_Gold_Market.html

Today is an historic day in the effort to dislodge the imperial forces that dominate the leveraged, paper markets of gold and silver. We must to grateful to Ned, Andy and all those involved in making this new silver exchange a reality. Ned promises to keep us posted with more details as the launch of the exchange draws near. For now, be comfortable in knowing that we have powerful allies who are intent upon making obsolete the existing model and will soon put forth a new structure, one that finally allows for true price discovery in the precious metals.

TF

P.A.G.E. Squashed: And now for something completely different...

by,

Ned Naylor-Leyland, Cheviot Asset Management

Last year at the GATA Goldrush 2011 conference I presented about the Pan Asia Gold Exchange (PAGE) and the likelihood of the ‘Spot Dog’ shaking off its ‘futures handlers’. This was to happen thanks to this new    game-changing    Chinese Exchange driving a return to a more acceptable form of price discovery. Much water has passed under the bridge since the ‘soft’ opening of PAGE in the early summer of last year, and everyone is well overdue an update. Meanwhile,thanks in no small measure to the debacle at MFGlobal, the spot dog has indeed thrown off its handlers (hence the emergence of backwardation in Silver) – but, as can be inferred from the title above, PAGE has also been squashed, Monty Python-style.

Fortunately, however, this is far from the full story, as the players behind the 1:1 allocated market concept are determined to make it run come hell and/or high water. The market is begging for this return to real price discovery and in spite of the interference so far, the change IS coming. It is disappointing to have to report that PAGE has not rolled out the way we anticipated, however everything that I presented at the GATA Goldrush conference was accurate at the time. The fact that a major Chinese regional development program was stalled appears, at least in part, to have been due to the publicity generated by Andrew Maguire and I. Too much is very evidently at stake in the world of Ponzi Bullion banking for the status quo not to fight its corner. Soon after the noise was made about PAGE and its forthcoming 1:1 allocated Gold contract, the shenanigans started. Just after the publicized ‘soft launch’ (with Central government mandarins in attendance) and the noise made on the internet about its implications, the one shareholder in PAGE that had a foreign listing (in the US) suddenly and stealthily increased its share-holding from 10% to 25%, acquiring additional board directors along the way. The rationale for this sudden change in the weighting of shareholders is shrouded in mystery, however what we do know is that this entity then insisted that they be allowed to build the trading platforms for PAGE from the ground up, rather than buying a working platform off the shelf to get PAGE operational in a timely manner.

This blocking tactic at board level effectively stopped the progress of the fully-allocated spot contract in its tracks, and it was immediately clear to the international-facing people that something fundamental had changed internally.    Interestingly, the key Independent Director of this small listed entity that blocked the timely roll-out of PAGE is a well-known Western banker within China, whose CV includes work for the Federal Trade Commission, the Sloan Foundation (related to MIT) and his wife is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. Whether this intervention respect of the platform was nefarious or not, it was understandable that the people behind the international-facing fully-allocated contract decided to step aside from PAGE and set up their own dedicated exchange. More on that in a moment. Following on from this removal of the 1:1 international contract, the domestic and leveraged PAGE Gold contract (via the Agricultural Bank) also subsequently went the way of the dodo, thanks to the well- publicized People’s Bank of China (PBoC) announcement about control over domestic Gold trading outside of Shanghai. It appears that the shiny Gold building constructed in Kunming City for PAGE will sadly remain (as elsewhere in China) a ‘see- through’, at least until the new Communist Party Politburo are voted in and the new political culture is embedded later this year when who knows, the rules on Gold trading again may be relaxed. Ostensibly these new PBoC rules about Gold trading were brought in to ‘protect the public’, but it is interesting to me that such a U-turn in policy appears to have been driven by pressure exerted somewhere within the People’s Bank, rather than it being typically characteristic of the long-term planning of the Chinese.

As disappointing as this all appears, there is a very substantial Silver lining to what has happened, both respect of the international allocated contracts and the indeed the domestic leveraged ones. By freeing themselves of the other shareholders within PAGE, the international-facing contracts are now being developed independently and under a new name. After the shenanigans of last year Andrew and I will not be giving the name of this new exchange until it is properly ‘live’ in a few months time, as it seems obvious that too much is at stake within the existing Bullion Banking system for this to be allowed to launch without some attempt at interference.

The aforementioned change in domestic Chinese rules mean that along with every other regional Precious Metals exchange, the new unnamed 1:1 allocated exchange is launching with Silver initially, which of course is the Achilles Heel of the Bullion banking system. This in my opinion is far more bullish and exciting short and medium-term than the Gold contract would have been, as the physical Silver market is so tight.    Furthermore, all the regional exchanges mothballed by the PBoC rule change can switch, and are switching to Silver trading which is not covered by the change in rules. The contract itself will be, as before, an international rolling 90 day spot one, denominated in RMB, and the new entity is supported by the same serious players within the Chinese political and military establishment as before. The physical will be acquired ahead of closing each monthly tranche and will be vaulted entirely outside of the Bullion Banks (i.e. private vaulting facilities). From there the allocated receipts will be recorded on an electronic register and the issue will be tradeable in the secondary market with the register adjusted real-time. This is extremely good news for holders of real Silver and extremely bad news for holders of fake paper Silver who rely on the 350:1 leverage being maintained as the world’s sole price discovery mechanism for large purchases of the white metal. This effectively will be like dealing in an RMB-denominated and fully allocated version of some of the popular Silver Bullion Trusts, but rather than trading at a premium, the premium will price the issue ahead of purchase, affecting global price discovery, as previously mooted.

The guts of this new exchange that is rising Phoenix-like from the ashes of PAGE, are agreed and under construction. The international conduit for the new exchange has also been established and is ready to receive business once the legal framework (well down the road) is given final sign off by their Chinese legal team. Unlike PAGE, which was primarily established by domestic Chinese interests, the new entity is much more streamlined, better funded and the problems encountered last year by PAGE have helped to clarify the route going forwards.  All in all, the squashing of the Pan Asia Gold Exchange has in truth only served to accelerate the move to real price discovery, and the control over domestic Gold trading is in my opinion yet another reason to be bullish about the prospects for the Silver price. Once the new exchange is ‘live’ in the summer we will be back with the all- important details about where and how to gain access for those interested in buying physical in size rather than paper illusions. Many serious physical Silver buyers, who are desperate to leave the farce of the Loco London system are ready to jump ship once the final sign off takes place.

Ned Naylor-Leyland
February 2012


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Moderator Holliday's picture

No problem

MODERATOR

Understood and thanks yes

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opticsguy's picture

Watch $rut/$spx

It's in free fall.  Plot it using Stockcharts.  The last time it crashed like this, it was followed by a 2000 point Dow drop last August. 

BUDDHA PRINCESS's picture

KEY DATES TO WATCH OUT FOR?

Hi there everyone. Hope you all having a great relaxing weekend.

Little break is always good. I have a question. Does anybody here know the Feds schedules speeches for the month of March???? Also, where do I look up the unemployment reports?

Any help would be much appreciated

Thanks in advance

beach_bum's picture

@DPH Chart overlay

Is this what you need?  $UST is the symbol I added.

big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=CLJ2&uf=7168

Colonel-Angus's picture

Another great podcast

Thanks Turd, for keeping the community informed on the developments of this hopefully new exchange, which is a great service.

This is a link from a ZH piece by Mike Krieger. It's about 911 and Saudi involvement (I know; put on your tin foil hat) but this is a very interesting development. It also has Obama's former car  czar, Rattner, informing the sheeple that there are some things you don't want to know. I think he will regret saying that................ This aired yesterday.

DrkPurpleHaze's picture

beach_bum

Thanks!  Can I ask for one more?

Anyway you can throw in GLD or maybe the gold futures contract that was effected the most from that smackdown? I'm not sure what specific gold futures  were hit the hardest as I write this.

TF mentioned it and so did a bunch of other Turdites.  I'll go look after posting this. Thanks!

OK...just found this snippet below from TF the other day. It might be easier to use GLD with that crude and 10yr UST overlay. Maybe someone can chime in. 

"In gold yesterday, the total open interest fell by a massive 17,303 contracts. This drop was entirely due to the closing of positions in the April12 contract where the open interest declined by 17,991, from 270,183 to 252,192. The next delivery month, June12, saw its OI rise from 65,492 to 65,522."

"In silver yesterday, the total open interest fell by a tiny 1,039 contracts. A drop in the May12 OI from 65,443 to 64,280 making up the vast majority of the change."

beach_bum's picture

@DPH - One More

Here is a SharpCharts.com chart with all 3.  It's shown as a Perf chart. Did you want that or a more typical price chart? The gold line is spot.

http://stockcharts.com/freecharts/perf.html?$WTIC,$UST10Y,$GOLD

Edit:   It's not letting me paste the chart here even though it shows up in preview.... Try the link

harlan07's picture

Question

Just watched that cartoon about the EE - thanks for sharing. It helped this newbie's understanding of the manipulation.

Does anyone know at what price did the EE started building their massive short position? Are they underwater with gold shorts too?

DrkPurpleHaze's picture

beach_bum

You're awesome! cool

Thanksyes

Turd Ferguson's picture

This might be extraordinarily important

MODERATOR
TrickyD's picture

Her Comes Santa Claus

Ron Paul wins Massachusetts straw poll with more than fifty percent

Mr. Paul garnered 51 percent of the votes to take first place in the Massachusetts straw poll. Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney finished in second place with 38 percent of the votes. Former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum pulled in 8 percent of the votes and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich brought in 3 percent of the votes.
DrkPurpleHaze's picture

Tomorrows news today...

That's the corny Daily DPHaze motto.... the reason being seen in this link below. 

Yes, the story looked important to me also. There seems to be some  moves going on behind the scene's. That was my thought when I first read this and then Ned  had that post and podcast on top of Andrew Maguires KWN interview.  It's starting to seem like it's connected. 

The early tremors of change.

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/comment/137210#comment-137210

There's this little JPM story also. Divesture of a metals business.  H'mmm....

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/comment/137211#comment-137211

exiledbear's picture

They can't stop printing money basically

Trader Dan "parks it in the cheap seats" with this one. He is spot on. Remember, declining bond prices = higher interest rates. Higher rates cannot be allowed as high rates accelerate the demise of The Great Ponzi. We must watch the 10-year note and the Long Bond for clues as to the initiation of overt QE3.

http://www.traderdannorcini.blogspot.com/2012/03/bonds-and-other-assorted-topics.html

And that is the only thing that matters. All these other cute little tricks are just stalling tactics.

Maximillion's picture

@ harlan07

Quick History,

The TPTB have been short PM's forever, search 1970's petro dollar agreement with The House of Saud, London Gold pool, Price stabalization fund etc. JPM inherited their first serious paper short lot from Bear Stearns in 2008, at which time the benefits/profits of maintaining the ongoing shorts became apparent. IMO, basically by being able to manipulate the price of an asset, you can use the asset to fix the value of another asset. For example a UK farmer can forward sell his wheat crop to a Chinese buyer, with the price of Silver deciding the amount payable on delivery, thereby removing the variable of currency exchange rates for both parties involved.

Read Harvey O's required reading as a good start http://harveyorgan.blogspot.com/p/required-reading.html

As a newbie you should do as much other research as your time allows IMO, though be warned, it is just like taking the pill in the Matrix. 

zilverreiger's picture

Do we still have a month

or is it going to collapse now? because then I'm going all phys

btw how real is this fed vs banks fight? Is this a real struggle within the EE, or just a diversion?

NW VIEW's picture

@ zilverreiger's month

The speculation on what may happen because of the loss of PAGE and what the new markets in P.M.'s  may be, are designed to make us think that we (the small investor) will finally be on an even playing field-Ha.   We will be faced with many new opportunities  over the next few quarters but the basic things will still be the best:  Stack the P.M.s and have them, plant that garden, move away from inner cities on coast states, downsize everything (cars, homes), build a smoke house and can house,  consider the good things in life and do not allow the evils of the world to rob us of mental health and the Peace within.   Get off the computer and go to the kids/grandkids ball games and live life to the fullest (it is short).   jmo

Island Guy's picture

Canadian Nickels

Reach West,

Thank you for the information regarding the Canadian nickels.  It has been many years since I collected coins as a child.  I did not know that the recent Canadian nickels had gone the same way as the US ones.  I merely remembered being a young boy with a magnet, and the Canadian nickels would have enough nickel in them so that they could be picked up, and the US ones did not.

Further evidence that I'm getting old.

victorthecleaner's picture

This is a response to

This is a response to SilverRunNW who wrote in his comment

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/comment/136886#comment-136886

that "I personally don't see Eric Sprott doing this.  He sure seems like a stand-up kind of guy" when I had explained that Sprott could wind down his funds precisely in the 'wrong' moment when (paper) gold and silver have crashed, but physical gold and silver do not yet trade independently, i.e. 'wrong' for his shareholders but 'right' for himself:

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/comment/136879#comment-136879

I just wanted to remark that Sprott very successfully trades against his retail shareholders (shall I say Goldman-like?)

http://is.gd/Caeu3C

http://is.gd/LexKha

With his hedge fund, he bought shares in PSLV when the premium was low (initial offering) and sold PSLV when the premium was high. His hedge fund then switched into physical silver (and perhaps mining shares). Sprott captured the price gain of silver plus about 20% on top of this from the PSLV premium. This means in turn that the retail shareholders in PSLV in aggregate and on average underperformed silver by about 20% during that year.

Victor

TheGoodDoctor's picture

Hey look its not that we

Hey look its not that we don't appreciate NNL and AM coming out with new info, that is fine. It's that the PAGE is tossed to the way side. If I remember correctly someone posted awhile back that the PAGE might be in danger of coming to fruition. And I thought Turd was going to look into it. Forget what that result was but again if I remember correctly it was something positive.

I think what is upsetting to people is that the way NNL article above leads one to believe that PAGE was kiboshed earlier rather than later. And I think that is what is causing the frustration. If this new information is so good, then why not alert us to the early demise of the PAGE when it happened?

Also, the 9/11 Saudi connection is probably best waylaid as this: Look Saudis we know we have been making our currency worth less due to our printing press being on 24/7, but we need to re-elect the President and to do that we need more oil output from you. We need those votes from the American Sheeple and cheaper gas will make them feel that our economy is getting better. Now we know you can do it and here is a nice incentive for you to do so. I mean you wouldn't want to be sucked into this war we are going to start in the Middle East now do you?  Once you start lowering the price of oil via an increase in output we will release to the media that our intelligence was bad. And all will be well. Don't worry once the elections are over you can stick it to the American people again when we fire up that war with Iran. Thanks. PS Don't get any crazy ideas like Iran and only accept gold for oil.

GuerrillaCapitalist's picture

Re: Chinese 100 year Plans

DragonFly:

If I may be so bold as to challenge your assertion that the Chinese don't plan long term.

I submit that the Chinese take a much longer view than those of us in the west. That doesn't mean they're actually laying plans that will come to fruition in 2112. However I do fervently believe they consider actions taken today in the context of generations not yet born.  They are laying a solid foundation to be the sole superpower in the coming decades. The evidence is overwhelming. 

I consider the fact that Chinese society has survived for millennia proof of my theory. For example, traditional Chinese medicine has an unbroken line far into the mist of ancient history. Acupuncture is widely accepted in western medicine and I've benefited from it and can attest to it's efficacy.

Sun Tzu's  "The Art of War" is considered a classic  and still studied by military officers. I find it extremely relevant now and refer to it from time to time to ground my reality.

Granted, I'm just an old soldier and most certainly not a specialist in China and her policies, but I can clearly see they are eating our lunch. I lay this at the feet of our feckless leaders of the past 100 years. They were and are the epitome of short term planners.

TheGoodDoctor's picture

Hey I have a quick question

Hey I have a quick question that I have been pondering. Can you take real interest rates and apply it to GDP? Meaning if there is like they say 2% inflation but only 1.2% GDP growth that you have a negative GDP growth rate?

I'm trying to correlate this overall to negative interest rates. Meaning if we know inflation is really 10% and the GDP growth is 3% for the year as of Q4 was it? that we really have a negative growth rate? True, false, more complex?

If that is not correct how do these numbers correlate with each other? Thanks in advance!

Maximillion's picture

Fed vs Banks

IMO the Fed needs the banks, and visa versa, so what are the alternative reasons for the announcement?

  • Was it the LTRO 2 fiasco where nearly all of the money has just gone straight back to the ECB, so the FED is just warning/encouraging the US banks what to do with QE3 dosh or else? 
  • Was it laying the ground MOPE for a justifiable sheeple reason for a near future explosive increase in PM's price, as the Cartel exits their short position, and needs to payout in fiat, which is possible based on last years change from registered to eligible status of 25% http://www.zerohedge.com/article/how-comex-lost-20-its-registered-silver-one-week-or-where-theres-smoke-run-theres-probably-r
  • Less likely, is it, to allow other banks to start playing the short paper game? IMO if I were a bank thinking of entering the PM market, after looking at the books of the Cartel, I don't think I'd be that interested in my bank offering even more naked paper shorts at the moment! 

Combine the news, with the US states now considering PM monetary status, the US underground natural PM reserves, RPauls apparent growing popularity, the problems with taking action against Iran, and the immediate, growing need, to re-establish the $ as a reserve currency backed by something tangible, and what's the logical conclusion? So that leaves just how the FED devalues the old $ in order to get rid of the drug barons stashes, re-inflate the economy in order to reduce the mortgage debt % of households, and get OB re elected (or play both sides in case RP gets in). Suggestions please!

Paper trading bullish for a fiat payout, though it's risky due to TPTB controlling the payout, physical stacking a no brainer! 

Fred Hayek's picture

Zilverreiger my theory about the Fed vs the banks

. . is that this sudden push is the Obama administration seeing that high gasoline prices in the U.S. could significantly harm his re-election chances.  So, they want to knock down any big banks playing the Comex component of the cost of oil. 

Remember, Obama's secretary of energy, Henry Chu, was quoted at the start of the administration to the effect that the Obama administration wanted gas prices in the U.S. to go much higher so that alternative energy sources would be competitive.  So, it's hard to argue that the Obama administration is opposed to those prices rising. 

It's all about re-election.

If other commodities can be freed from the clutches of JP Morgan in the process, so much the better.

silverstool's picture

More Ned

!

Can't see Ned as a 'pump and dumper'. Last time I looked at Cheviot Asset Management's investment products, I was struck by the lack of exposure to PMs. 

SilverBug's picture

Hi,

Hi, CartelSeriously,

Australia?  How could I believe Australia too.  U.S., British, Australia, Mexico, Canada all these countries are absolutely controlled by you, Cartel, coporations.  You already ruled those countries rather than by their People.  Only China and Russian government are justice humanism in man-kind to rule our people and opposing you to take over whole world. 

You, the Western ellites, wants to slave your people and invades the Middle East by army force.  We use your experience tools, the financial economic weapons, to destroy you this time, as like you did on us hundred years ago, the Opium War, at that time, we were be treated like nowadays Middle East countries, you robbed their crude oil just like robbed the physical silvers we own in Opium War.  Not any more this time, we will take back our silvers real physical by giving back your "Shit paper" counterfiet US paper  in a justice way, by an open exchange market, to save your people from slavery, as like Ron Paul did to your people, to save Mid East and Africa from robbing.  A "Currency War" is already running since 2007, it won't stop, Seriously Cartel.

This plan is not by months, I think China already done that by years.  China has give you a  chance, just observes what you US cartel continue to react, we felt so disappointing you keep issuing your debts bond, counterfieting your Greenback, and keep going to use "democracy" naming to "Free" those people but actually invades in Mid-East.  Poor Mid-East people.  You want to bound China and Russia.  Luckily, China and Russia strong as us could escape from control by  your way.  But we need to react, we cannot just sit still and let you cut my throat.  Good bye, Cartel, seriously.

Turd Ferguson's picture

Hmmm

MODERATOR

Interesting

R man J's picture

Silverbug

Your English is better than my Chinese.  Hat Tip.

Dyna mo hum's picture

HMMM

X2 WTF

DrkPurpleHaze's picture

SilverBug

Welcome aboard and thanks for that....

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...and yes, that's a silver bug (beetle)

Patrancus's picture

played by the Chinese Communist Party

played by the Chinese Communist Party, is all that you have to say Good nite Irene, I can trust Chicom state sponsored capitalism, as far as I can spit.

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