TFMR Podcast #7 - Ted Butler

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Earlier this week, I had the honor and privilege to speak with independent silver analyst, Ted Butler.

Ted has been "in the trenches" with the Evil Empire for years. As an experienced commodities trader, Ted first noticed the manipulation of silver years ago. Since then, he has diligently persevered to end the deliberate price-capping brought about by the concentrated short positions held by big bullion banks. Ted's consistent pressure upon Chairman Gensler and Commissioner Chilton was instrumental in finally getting the CFTC to rule in favor of implementing position limits last month. All of us trading or stacking precious metals owe Ted a tremendous debt of gratitude.

Ted publishes newsletters for his subscribers about 8-10 times per month. He has graciously allowed me to copy and paste his latest bulletin below. By reading it, I think you'll see the value of his work. If you'd like to become a subscriber, simply click this link.

http://www.butlerresearch.com/subscribe.asp

 

November 19, 2011 - Weekly Review/Financial Terrorism

posted: 11/19/2011

Weekly Review
 
The price of gold and, especially silver, sold off sharply this week, with most of the damage coming on Thursday. For the week, gold was off $64 (3.6%), while silver was off $2.30 (6.6%). The numbers would have been worse for silver were it not for some snapback on Friday. As a result of silver’s steep underperformance this week, the gold/silver ratio widened out to almost 53.5 to 1, near the top end of where this ratio has traded year to date. This means silver is cheaper relative to gold and on a value basis this is an opportune time for gold-heavy investors to switch gold holdings into silver.
 
As always, my suggestion to switch from gold to silver and to buy silver with fresh cash is intended on a metal for metal switch or on a money on the barrel basis. In other words, no borrowing and no leverage. Yes, I understand the silver price action looks punk. I also understand that silver investor sentiment is weak, with countless stories suggesting a silver price smash dead ahead. But I also understand that in any investment the best time to buy is when things look rotten. The alternative is to wait until things look and feel better. Of course, that usually means buying at much higher prices, when confidence is restored and everyone is feeling fine.
 
As long as the facts point to an undervaluation in silver, both on an absolute basis and relative to gold, those facts will override sentiment on a long term basis. Sentiment can change a lot easier than facts can change. It doesn’t seem that way in the midst of brutal price takedowns, but history has shown that the best time to buy silver is after it has been smashed in price. This applies to many investments, but none more so than silver, given its manipulated price state. As always, it’s vital to view the facts objectively.
 
That gold has been performing better than silver is, paradoxically, one of the best arguments for silver. At current prices, the dollar value of the world’s three billion ounces of gold bullion is more than $5 trillion, which towers over the value of the one billion oz of silver bullion ($32 billion) by almost 160 times. Yet this fact is largely unknown and vastly unappreciated. It takes roughly $7 billion monthly in new investment to absorb newly produced gold (above jewelry and other fabrication) and less than $400 million monthly to absorb all the net new silver available for investment. Even though silver investment demand has been lackluster recently, due to current rotten investor sentiment, that sentiment can turn on a dime. As a silver bull, a strong gold price is one of the strongest arguments for sharply higher silver prices. Given overall world financial conditions, it is very easy to imagine continued strong gold prices.
 
The current weak silver investor sentiment, brought about by the weak price action, is reflected in recent weak retail demand statistics. Data from the US Mint indicate that November may be the weakest month for sales of Silver Eagles in recent years, although 2011 is already in the record books as the best year ever for Silver Eagle sales. Just to keep things in perspective, as weak as very recent Silver Eagle sales have been, they still tower over sales of Gold Eagles. This highlights that retail demand in general is not a short term driver of price, otherwise gold prices wouldn’t be as strong as they are presently. The low price of silver, low premiums and current easy availability of Silver Eagles suggests to me that this is an opportune time to pick up Silver Eagles. Maybe I’ll ask my good friend and silver mentor, Izzy Friedman, to write another piece on why Silver Eagles are maybe the best form of silver to hold. The last time he did so, US Mint production capacity was maxed out for years.
 
Movements, or turnover, in COMEX silver warehouse stocks have remained frantic on balance. This turnover is still a prime indicator to me for wholesale tightness. As a result of Thursday’s massive decline in price, we did see a reduction of 2.2 million ounces in the big silver ETF, SLV. Given the sharp price drop, this looked like plain vanilla investor liquidation and quite normal to me. I’m also hopeful that the silver price sell-off may result in a reduction in the outrageously large and manipulative short position in SLV, although the very next short report (due in a week) may not reflect that, as the cut-off for that report was Nov 15, just before the latest price swoon.
 
Over the past year or so, SLV as well as all other silver ETFs have roughly unchanged inventory levels, which given the extreme price volatility over that time, looks constructive to me. My take is that the price volatility has caused a pause in new buying by silver investors, but not to the point of them becoming big net sellers. It looks to me that the wild price fluctuations have turned silver investors into strong holders and that when price action invariably improves, aggressive new buying will emerge. I am particularly encouraged that holdings in the big gold ETF, GLD, have risen recently despite volatile gold price action and reports of selling by the biggest GLD investor, John Paulson. Retail investors may not be plowing into gold, but larger investors seem to be doing so. Again, strong physical demand for gold will, sooner or later, likely translate into strong silver physical demand. One of these days, some big gold investors are going to discover silver and try to invest in silver in a big way. When they do, the fact that there is such a small amount of silver available for investment will cause a price mess to the upside, just like trying to put ten pounds of flour into a two pound bag.
 
This week’s Commitment of Traders Report (COT) was somewhat uneventful in that the big price and volume drama came well after the Tuesday cut-off. In fact, the continued MF Global disaster and mess has undoubtedly impacted the COT reports for the past two weeks, as the CFTC readily admits on the COT web page. For instance, some of you may have noticed the unusually large changes in the non-reporting category for gold and silver over the past two weeks. For that reason, it may be wise to read both weeks as one. In doing so, my original guess two weeks ago that the gold total commercial short position may have increased by 20,000 to 30,000 contracts becomes more accurate, as the two week increase comes in at 22,000 contracts or so and not the 14,500 increase of the single prior week.
 
Regardless, this week the silver total commercial net short position increased by a further 1600 contracts, to 26,300 contracts. This is still a very low and spectacularly bullish historical COT reading for silver. You might ask how can you have a one day 7% decline in price when I proclaim the COT structure to be spectacularly bullish? My answer is that you must always remember that the silver market is manipulated and crooked, perhaps the most manipulated and crooked market in the world, including diamonds and cocaine. The commercial crooks can do anything they want on a short term basis.
 
Like last week’s COT in silver, the raptors (the smaller commercials away from the 8 largest traders) accounted for all the selling, reducing their net long position to 13,000 contracts. Importantly, the big 4 category (read JPMorgan) hasn’t changed much since the COT report of Oct 25, when there was an increase of 3000 contracts into that week. JPMorgan is still sitting with 16,000 contracts net short in my estimation, among the lowest COMEX short reading since they acquired Bear Stearns’ big concentrated short position in 2008. My hunch is that while JPMorgan may have been able to reduce their short position on Thursday’s manipulated takedown, it is more likely that the raptors were the initiators and beneficiaries of the price smash that day. While JPMorgan is the big enabler of the continued silver manipulation, the collusive raptors are usually responsible for the big price smashes.
 
In gold, there was an increase in the total commercial net short position of 7200 contracts for the week, to 204,163 contracts. As in silver, it was largely due to raptor selling. The difference was that the gold raptors did get net short last week and added to their net short position this week, which now totals near 10,000 contracts. Also as was the case in silver, the down turn after the cut-off was precipitated by the raptors who act collusively in each market, even as the regulators turn a blind eye to that collusion. No doubt there has been notable improvement in the COT structure in both silver and gold on the deliberate takedown. There may be more takedown possible in gold from a paper market perspective given that we are dancing on the 50 day moving average, although recent strong gold physical demand may argue against that. In silver, we are deep into the “getting blood from a stone” levels of potential liquidation and it is hard to imagine massive new liquidation given how depleted the speculative long side has become.
 
I’m planning an article (probably on Wednesday) talking about some new factors favoring silver on a longer term basis that’s away from manipulation and the like, assuming no last minute developments. It’s been some time since I’ve been able to discuss silver in non-manipulative terms.
 
 
Financial Terrorism
 
 
A subscriber sent me a note the other day, suggesting I read a new article which I have yet to review. But the word “terror” was contained in the title of the article and for some reason that word bounced around in my mind and got me to thinking. Then it hit me. While I talk incessantly about manipulation and concentration and deliberate takedowns in the price of silver and the regulatory failures to deal with those things; there’s even a better word to describe what silver investors have been experiencing over the years, but particularly this year. That word is terrorism.
 
Terrorism is defined as the deliberate attempt to intimidate and instill fear in order to alter another’s behavior. We’ve come to know terrorism by car and suicide bombings and violence in too many regions around the world. The civilized world seems to be in a constant state of war against those who would resort to terrorism and the US has found itself immersed in two foreign wars brought about by the fight against terrorism. But is terrorism confined to physical acts of violence? Can there not be terrorism of the financial variety?
 
What if an entity or small group set out to instill fear and to intimidate others in order to intimidate them into doing something against their wishes for strictly financial gain? No car bombs, no killings, and no actual violence in the name of religious, political or cultural differences: strictly for money. I admit that there is a big difference between the value of human life and financial gain or loss, but that difference aside, is terrorism for strictly financial purposes legitimate? I would think not.
 
It occurs to me that it is financial terrorism that best describes the behavior of the manipulators in the silver market. When a world commodity, like silver, declines 30% in a matter of days (twice this year), or when it declines 7% in a day (Thursday) for no good economic reason, it is natural to wonder why that occurred. When the only plausible explanation is that the sell-offs occurred as a deliberate attempt to scare innocent holders out of the market through fear and intimidation (of further loss), is that not financial terrorism?
 
As I’ve indicated previously, the key to these sudden and sharp silver sell-offs is in the sequence of events. In every single instance, it is never a case of investors suddenly deciding to sell and that collective selling action which precipitates the price decline. Rather, it is always the case of the price first being suddenly rigged lower (at the quietest of trading times) and investors then reacting to those lower prices and selling after the price has come down. Also, in every single instance, those who initiated the suddenly lower prices (the COMEX commercials), then reap the whirlwind of their financial terrorism by buying all the positions they were able to intimidate into being sold. Scare folks into selling so that the financial terrorists can then buy from those that had been terrorized.
 
This is a crooked, rotten racket that has been going on for decades in silver. The only difference is that it is not al Qaeda or some militant terrorist group at work, but a consortium of leading banks and firms financially terrorizing that segment of the public that has chosen to invest in silver. Instead of being organized by bin Laden, the silver terrorists are organized and protected by the CME Group. Instead of being fought by the organized might of the US Government and other world governments, the silver terrorists are coddled by the CFTC which can see nothing wrong with the investing public being terrorized. Maybe we need to petition Homeland Security to end the silver manipulation and terrorism.
 
I don’t think I’m exaggerating to label what takes place on the COMEX as financial terrorism. Yes, I’m talking about money, not human life and physical violence, but it is terrorism nonetheless. And I, for one, am sick of it, as I am the non-response from the regulators. One thing I’m not sick of is what I think this means to the future investment performance for silver. For the commercial crooks on the COMEX to have to resort to this silver financial terrorism tells me that they are trying everything possible to scare folks away from silver by any means possible. By having to resort to such deplorable and illegal tactics, this should tell you how badly they want to buy silver and scare you from doing so. Don’t let these bastards intimidate you.
 
Ted Butler
November 19, 2011
Silver - $32.40
Gold - $1725

175 Comments

RedRover's picture

First

First!

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Wow...Thanks

Thanks TF and Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.

You've outdid yourself again. Appreciate it yes

Iamgolden's picture

Is it the end of the world

Is it the end of the world yet?  I am getting bored

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Gold Traders More Bullish (and something shiny)

Biggest Gold Hoard Ever Bolstering Bullish Bets From Traders: Commodities

Gold Traders More Bullish

Gold Traders More Bullish

SeongJoon Cho/Bloomberg

Gold climbed 24 percent to $1,756 this year, heading for an 11th consecutive annual advance.

Gold traders are more bullish after investors accumulated the biggest-ever hoard of the metal, withEurope’s deepening debt crisis driving them to protect their wealth with this year’s second-best performing commodity.

Eighteen of 26 surveyed by Bloomberg expect bullion to rise next week. Holdings in exchange-traded products backed by gold reached a record 2,350.8 metric tons on Nov. 23, now valued at $128.5 billion, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Hedge funds and other speculators increased their net-long position, or bets on higher prices, for four weeks, the longest stretch since March, Commodity Futures Trading Commission data show.

Almost $12 trillion was wiped off the value of global equities since May on mounting concern about slower global growth, driving investors to what are perceived as the safest assets. Yields on Treasuries fell to a near-record low and gold is heading for an 11th consecutive annual gain. Bullion beat every other member of the Standard & Poor’s GSCI gauge of 24 commodities this year except for gasoil....

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-25/biggest-gold-hoard-ever-bolster...

bernard's picture

Turd, you are killing it. At

Turd, you are killing it. At a GSR of 53, silver is incredibly cheap. The general sentiment here seems to be some people are losing faith in silver. To that all I can say is: in the words of Jesse Livermore

"The hardest thing is to buy and sit tight." You should all be stacking silver heavily at these ratios. I built a little nifty tool (http://comparesilverprices.com) which can help you guys find the lowest premiums from all the dealers when you're making your basic purchases (ASES/maples/10/100oz only at this time).

Look at the move in Apple, and how many times investors lost 30% of their sum. Silver is just getting started in what will be a multi-decade move. We are at the bottom of the interest rate cycle, but we are at peak growth.

Compound growth / interest is a FALLACY of modern economics, YOU SIMPLY CANNOT GROW FOREVER. We live on a finite planet with FINITE resources.

The truth is that there is simply no way for the human population and quality of life to grow together.

PuddingMan's picture

Bullion Comparison

Hey bestever, thank you for your effort.

There is also another site: http://www.goldshark.com/

The tricky part is discounts on certain volume purchases. For example if I buy a roll of 20 1 oz ASE at gainsvillecoins I would be saving a little bit of cash.

1 oz: $34.88
roll of 20: $695.62, which is $34.78 per oz

punchbowl's picture

killer interview

will be listened to a couple of times.

ewc58's picture

Wow, he shoulda hung here the past year...

"A subscriber sent me a note the other day, suggesting I read a new article which I have yet to review. But the word “terror” was contained in the title of the article and for some reason that word bounced around in my mind and got me to thinking. Then it hit me. While I talk incessantly about manipulation and concentration and deliberate takedowns in the price of silver and the regulatory failures to deal with those things; there’s even a better word to describe what silver investors have been experiencing over the years, but particularly this year. That word is terrorism."

"Then it hit you"? Was this recently then???

"I don’t think I’m exaggerating to label what takes place on the COMEX as financial terrorism."

talk about Preaching to the Choir :-) Dude, from your comments it's pretty clear most here were there way before you.

Ted better up his game. He has consistently underestimated and understated what we've been up against and what really faces us. I do not ascribe this to anything malicious, I just think he's too nice. And has shown himself a tad naieve over the years.

Dr. Sandi's picture

I built a little nifty tool

I built a little nifty tool (http://comparesilverprices.com) which can help you guys find the lowest premiums from all the dealers when you're making your basic purchases (ASES/maples/10/100oz only at this time).

Thank you for the work creating this tool. I think it needs some tweaking though. I looked at the NWT Mint prices on the tool page, and they aren't tracking the NWT Mint website prices.

The place where NWT Mint's silver "shines" is their own brands, Pan American Mining, NWT Mint and the "Stagecoach Silver." You have to buy at least 50 ounces at one time, cash, check or wire to get the price break. Their single ounce prices aren't that good because you have to order through the online store and pay one-off, credit card prices.

Personally, I prefer to save my pennies until I have enough for at least 50 ounces, then drive all the way to Federal Way, WA, and do the deal in cash. Very clean that way.

Then, once a year, just before July 4, I sell all the silver back to them at the spot price and buy Chocolate Ice Cream for the whole neighborhood. Hell of a block party that way, and I deserve it because of my financial prudence.

Gramp's picture

Hey thank you TF!    How did

Hey thank you TF!

   How did you know my brother inlaw would look uncomfortable, and leave the room when i mentioned the economy?

  On one hand i can't blame him. The conversation i had last night w/ my mother in-law was a play by play, of the  issues we discuss here... and  was of an intensity that wore me out.

Glad I got it out of my system last night, because it is a heavy topic for the holiday.  :/

   Disclosure... I was shocked when she stuttered her belief about 911 being inside job.

                       (I still have trouble swallowing the possibility...)

Irish Catholic... The woman hardly has a glass of wine she is so uptight... ( a good left hander would help :)-~

  Anyway...  i walk down the isles at the "stores" clutching my fiat... The more i see prices of CRAP, the more $30.00  silver looks a good value.

  My head spun around when my nephew who works at Shaws supermarket said they routinely go to Wal Mart and buy produce items for Shaws ... Gross for one, and concerning for two. The supply chain is only held by threads. Yes , many of the serving sizes of items i purchase has diminished.

    thinking out loud i guess... my head is spinning.

punchbowl's picture

Financial terrorism

That's one of Max Keiser's favorite phrases.

Au812's picture

For Thanksgiving...

Turkey, Turd, Ted & Truth.

Chris P. Bacon's picture

You've outdone yourself again Turd

Really looking forward to listening to it when I get home from work. Thanks as always and Happy Thanks Giving!

redwood's picture

Thanks Turd for the great

Thanks Turd for the great interview.  Here's an article by Izzy Friedman (Butler's mentor) that got me interested in silver.

http://silver-owl.blogspot.com/2008/02/israel-friedman-on-silver.html

Jelogue's picture

The business

Your finest yet Mr Ferguson...great stuff ...Ted Butler is a legend..

Cheers

cris's picture

"we are not worthy!"

Just quoting the illustrious Wayne and Garth...

Having Ted Butler come to Turdtown is like having Joe DiMaggio come home to Yankee Stadium.

strong work Turd.

Shill's picture

Really enjoyed that piece

Really enjoyed that piece Turd, thank you.

bernard's picture

hmm you guys raise some great

hmm you guys raise some great points. I think the way to solve this is record the various pricing breaks for the dealers, and then have a toolbar at the top that says "Buying amount: 1 oz | 5 oz | 10 oz | 50 oz | 100 oz | 1000 +|"

And it could adjust prices accordingly. What do you guys think?

LividDebtormanShow's picture

Sweet

Great dig Turd!!

MonkeySmoke's picture

Thank you, Turd...

WOW! What a coup. What a great interview. I have to commend you, Turd, on your interviewing skills. You allow your guest to speak. You did talk, a little, over Mr. Butler, but I will mark that up to excitement. What an honor to be part of this community and be able to receive this kind of information. Hoping you and the family have enjoyed this Thanksgiving day.

Eric Original's picture

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Dr. Sandi's picture

Salmon is best when it's poached

Original Eric says:

"You guys have been putting up with me talking about salmon for ever so long."

Salmon is always best when it's poached. That's why I wait for the autumn spawning season and just go to the creek near my house. Then I scoop them up with a big bucket. Of course, one must be choosy, since a lot of them aren't in very good shape by the time they get back to the motherland to spawn. But poaching beats paying if you're quick in and out and don't leave footprints.

MainMan's picture

A few thoughts

from north of the 49th.  A Happy Thanksgiving and best wishes.  

I don't think we need a war or anymore saber rattling; about time the troops came home;  maybe there is a fear that the troops, vets, and law will side with the people when push comes to shove

If there was a chance of getting 1000's of Ron Pauls to run the country, it might work.  But now he will be kind of alone to try and clean up the mess; where will he get the political support?  He will be blamed big time for the forth coming mess.  Better he is asked to try resolve the mess AFTER the 'yankees' complete the screwup.

We need a strong North America.  My few thoughts 

criscrossing's picture

Ted B.

Great stuff TF...thank you for educating us!

Louie's picture

Buy! Buy! Buy! Buy! BUY!

Great interview.  Before we all head over to Ted's sight and sign up, don't forget to

Feed The Turd!!!!

You can sign up for an automatic small monthly donation here too! 

Great interview.  You heard the man.  Silver is cheap right now compared to gold & the CoT report is a, "Spectacularly bullish historical COT reading for silver." 

Forget about that new flat screen.  Hit the coin shop tomorrow!

Economical Disaster's picture

@Dr. Sandi

Pacific salmon is full of radiation, do not eat it! I have talked to OCEAN FISHERIES and the even agreed..you will be reading about it, in about a year..when its too late.

Chris P. Bacon's picture

Chris Green

TheObsoleteMan's picture

I'M NOT SURPRISED

While I agree with most everything Ted has said, I am disappointed to hear him call a bottom. These permabulls don't get it. UNTIL THERE ARE ADDITIONAL RE-INFLATION POLICIES ANNOUNCED, THERE CAN BE NO RISE IN THE COMMODITY SECTOR. Especially silver. You may see a small rise on technicals, but that would only melt away after a couple of days like snow in July. Brace yourselves, you are going to see silver under $30 by next week. The good thing about all of this is that gas will be under $3@ gal by the beginning of December, as long as there is no shooting war with Iran, or Iraq doesn't destabilize.

bernard's picture

TheObsoleteMan: The United

TheObsoleteMan:

The United States government debt goes up by about $60,000 per second. You don't call that money printing? Welcome to the new age-- everything is on computer. Let me rephrase:

From now on, everyone must not call it money printing--lest we insinuate some usage of actual tangible resources. No, it should be called "Inflationary Typing"... because that's all these bond auctions are. Don't you see? Everything is all virtual. The DEBT equates with MONEY printing as our MONEY ITSELF is DEBT, aka, DEBT-BASED money. Thank you Federal Reserve.

Hammer's picture

Italian ten-year bonds -

Italian ten-year bonds - hitting 7.269pc, after closing at 7.08 last night

Quality interview Turd :)

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