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LNG breaking out. After my HL

LNG breaking out. After my HL take down, it's good to have a good old fashioned highly leveraged winner.  Could see 9.20+ before close here on shares I picked up on average 8.56 yesterday. It's all chutes and fucking ladders.

JAG's looking strong here as well.

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Closing Update
Closing Update
 
The probabilities are still very high (85-90%?) that gold and GDX are still just in a bounce, and still have a big date with the downside, IMO. 
 
My Hidden Weakness signal (from 2 proprietary, customized indicators -- used in combination) is still very strong on the daily charts of gold and GDX. That signal says:  "This rally isn't going to hold, and gold/GDX will roll over and head back to the downside in a significant way". The signal has proven to be very reliable in this big corrective phase for the PMs.
 
I would GUESS that this is roughly the top of the bounce for gold. Price touched the upper Bollinger Band on the daily chart today. $3.00 above that is extra resistance from the 50 EMA at 1650 (all prices are spot). And the daily candlestick looks to be forming a spinning top = indecision, or roughly equal amounts of buying and selling.
 
I believe we're in the second and final 5-waves down of this correction. This final 5-waves down started at 1803 on 11/7. The bounce that we're in is obviously the strongest of the 3 bounces up that we've had since 11/7. The "greater buying, less selling" of this bounce relative to the other 2 signifies, I believe, that we're getting close to an ultimate bottom for this correction.
 
This bounce should be Elliott Wave 4 up, to be followed by the final Elliott Wave 5 down that should finish this correction. Looking at MACD on the daily chart, I'd say the odds are extremely low it'll get back above 0 this time around. It looks like price is going up just to "recharge" for a final drop into the correction bottom.
 
It looks like the PMs have held up in the face of a strong dollar because stocks have held up. But it looks like stocks are close to a top and, when they roll over, gold and GDX will finally roll over too.
 
I still believe the Major Bottom for this correction will be somewhere south of 1500, with the highest probability being somewhere in the 1478 - 1420 zone. 1478 was strong horizontal support for the big low at the very end of last June. And 1430 - 1420 was strong horizontal-resistance-now-turned-support from the highs of last December. 
 
Using cycle analysis, my best estimate for the timing of this Major Bottom is 3 - 4 weeks from now.
 
My 2 cents worth. Gotta run. (Girlfriend's kicking my ass.) Good trading to all!
 
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Thanks jhnewman, It's about

Thanks jhnewman,

It's about the same time frame I'm working in as well.   I guess cash will be the place to be starting anytime  now.  Atlee, what do you think?

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Newman!!!!

Newman is back.

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elliot wave

some one please let me know when they have a clear, without additional if ands or buts, elliot wave signal. 

No, we must have been wave x or count z crap instead of a smaller wave y count q.  Just a clear freaking buy or sell.

This wave crap is making me sea sick and seems to always have a cover so they are never wrong. I have yet to see anyone take a clear freaking position. So please do me a favor, when you do ,give me a shout out. Thanks in advance.

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E-Wave

Use only the simplified 3 wave stuff.

There is a reason Elliot died broke in a rooming house in Jersey.

1270 to 1292 is an obvious clear impulsive wave up in ES using this thinking.

2nd wave is down to 1279 or thereabouts.

3rd Wave which should measure same length as first wave up targets and ends at 1301-2.

For starts and ends of impulse waves look for something with a nice tail on it that goes to high or a low that stands out.

Entry classically speaking is once the half-way mark is exceeded on the final leg and some will use an entry with tight stop 1/4 way into the final leg. Halfway mark is 1290 area and because it was exceeded then someone using this method would say there was a probability that the target of 1301-2 would be achieved.  It was the tell.

now is all that unclear?

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JAG just popped after hours

JAG just popped after hours with a  "strategic review update."  It appears Shandong has some competition as multiple parties are interested. JAG trading over 7 as I type. 

$2.70 and someone has my shares.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Jaguar-Mining-Provides-Update-cnw-71521302...

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Atlee -- Here's a shout out for you....

Thanks for your feedback to my post.

You asked for a shout out when someone takes a clear position with Elliott Wave. So here's that shout out.

5 1/2 weeks ago, I put up a long post near the beginning of Turd's 12/5 "Prepping For the Week Ahead" message. At a time when gold was at 1750, and most people were calling for it to go up, I forecast it would be going down to 1511 - 1420 within 5 weeks. Here's the beginning of that long post:

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Gold headed to 1511 - 1420, next 5 weeks

 
Gold/silver/miners are going to be GOING DOWN BIG over the next 5 weeks or so, IMO. (I mentioned this in a short post on Friday.)
 
 
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I was a bit early on the timing of this Major Bottom forecast, but the direction was dead-on and so was the relative price level. We have so far hit 1522 (spot), and we're going to go lower than that soon, IMO.
 
Part of the evidence I used for that forecast was Elliott Wave. I took a very clear, specific position with that forecast (as I have with the "Closing Update" above). And I think you'd have to agree that that 12/5 forecast was pretty accurate.
 
I certainly know what you're saying about Elliott Wave. Many people who use it present you with 2 or 3 alternatives all the time, so there's nothing really "actionable" that a trader can do with it. I don't do that. I use Elliott Wave as just one area of TA from which I can sometimes gather some valuable clues as to what price might do next. And if I get any clues from Elliott Wave, I pretty much always combine them with clues from other areas of TA in an analysis. It's sort of the Sherlock Holmes approach to analysis and forecasting -- trying to find valuable clues to what price might do next from different areas of TA, macroeconomic analysis and fundamental analysis.
 
Anyway, that's what I try to do. It has worked out very well for me, and I've been a successful professional PM trader for about 4 years now. 
 
Good luck to you in your trading and -- all the best.
 
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thanks SW

thanks SW clear as mud my friend.

jhnewman so what is the trade right now? Not 5 weeks ago when you were right. How about right now what is the signal? Are you long or short?

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I think my very clear analysis....

...tells you what the trade is. Do you know how to read an analysis?

The trade is to sell your PM longs and take your profits if you're long. And then the trade is to go short the PMs now for the ride down to the Big Bottom.

I am heavy short through DUST, the -3X for the miners, and I made +30% on this same trade for my trading account in 2 1/2 weeks in December. 

DUST will be another big profit over the next 3 - 4 weeks, IMO.

And why all the unnecessary belligerence? Point me to a Big Forecast that you made that was dead on, please. If you've had a bad day -- go beat your dog.

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the General.....

When I read some of Atlee's posts, in my mind, I hear this general. 

This is a classic, as well....

Nothing but respect to the generals!

edit - more of the General........and I quote,

"Oh shit, fuck me cocksucking motherfucker. Aw, fuck me."

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no offense

no belligerence. Just want a simple answer. No offense intended but this makes 3 times I have read about your correct call 5 weeks ago. I am just asking what the position is now from an elliot wave stance. 

Sorry if you feel offended.

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@SilverWealth

Exactly. I use Elliott Wave in a very broad-brush way just like that -- focusing on the 3-waves/5-waves, for instance -- in order to get some valuable predictive clues. Then I combine them with clues from other areas of TA, macroeconomic analysis and fundamental analysis to get a pretty good idea of where price is going next and when it's likely to get there.

Too many EWers get tied up trying to label every little subwave accurately before they make a trade, IMO, and by the time they've done that to their satisfaction, the trade has passed them by and they have to start all over again -- with the same results the next time. I don't get caught up in the subwaves at all, and don't get caught up in arguments about "what count we're really in", etc. etc. I'm interested in trading and making some money, not winning an argument.

All the best. Later.

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OK....

I outlined the position now.

But it's not from an Elliott Wave stance. It's a position based on a combination of different things -- not exclusively EW.

Later.

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thanks misses fan

that sounds more like some of the guys I play golf with.

I have never thrown a club. But you know they named it golf because fuck was already taken. 

I am hearing so much elliot wave lately that I have actually learned it from reading so much of it. I have come to one conclusion; they are never wrong because they never take a position. If they do I only hear about it after the fact and when site their wave count as being the determining factor. 

Man I don't care if you flip a coin. I just want to know, real time, what the position is  and why only if you can keep the explanation down to 50 words or less. 

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E wave

In my opinion, if 1650 is taken out any time soon then you have to reset the wave count and the down target changes.

If this wave up takes out 1650 tomorrow or Friday then the new upside is 1700 with a stop off at 1675, anybody sitting in tons of Dust will be crapping their drawers in that case.

If it rolls over here there will be time to get short imo.

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@jhnewman I am sorry I forgot

@jhnewman

I am sorry I forgot to answer the rest of your post

1. I have never been right the market

2. unlike you I don't have 4 years experience, I just started doing this last week

3. I don't have bad days. But I do have a dog.

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Nice.  Nice clean arguments. 

Nice.  Nice clean arguments.  Done.  Move on.

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James Dines

Seems to have got a good idea.
He sees the market in terms of
ripples, waves and tides. This
is a nice analogy imo, because
it acknowledges the presence of
undercurrents and crosscurrents
that act as distortion to tidal flow,
but they are not interpreted as
a set of predictable circumstances,
but to be thought more as random
and transient forms of direction
change. That's how I interpret
him anyhow.

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@Atlee: In your most recent post to me....

....you seem to be telling me in a sarcastic way that you're a good and experienced trader. And the number of hat tips you have would suggest the same thing.

But in my first post to you, I never said or implied anything different.

Your first post to me was rude and unnecessarily belligerent. My reply to you was not. I answered your original rudeness in a polite way, and I was in no way abusive to you and in no way said or implied that you weren't a good trader. 

In this whole little interchange between us, it was you who came after me -- I didn't come after you.

You may be a Big Dog in this forum, but that doesn't give you the right to treat people in a rude way. And the Biggest Dog on this site -- Turd himself -- would never treat people that way. At least I've never seen it.

So, I'm sorry you and I got off on the wrong foot. And I'm certainly happy to let bygones be bygones if you are. You must be a good trader to have that many hat tips, and I'd certainly like to trade ideas, observations or analysis with you in the future. And I'm pretty good when it comes to this stuff too.

If you were rude because you had a bad day -- I can certainly understand that. I've done the very same thing myself a number of times in the past and have to constantly watch myself to try to control that impulse. You and I and everyone in here are in a very, VERY stressful undertaking, and good traders tend to be aggressive -- sort of like fighter pilots.

Anyway, I do sincerely wish you all the best. I've gotta run now to review charts and read stuff in preparation for tomorrow.

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