I trade both gold and silver, but day trade silver more often.
That's why this is in the silver area.
I'll post my targets on a regular basis here.
If it's not for you...just skip the topic :)
I trade both gold and silver, but day trade silver more often.
That's why this is in the silver area.
I'll post my targets on a regular basis here.
If it's not for you...just skip the topic :)
I was hoping you would have your own thread! Hopefully atlee will create this own too. Thanks pailin. Mind if you post a little bio here. Would be interested to know where your from and stuff? I can understand that maybe too personal, but your a popular figure in turd world.
Thanks Pailin.
Other than the stink bids, any other suggestions for the day?
- Edit - ignore that, re-read the post and saw flat!
It will take some getting used to, finding pailin and atlee comments in different forums. I hope this will be the regular spot to find active traders who know what they're doing. Thanks for sharing what you know pailin. I really appreciate it.
Thanks -- looking forward to your trading targets for silver. Best of luck to all.
Thanks pailin!!
Looks like we're having difficulty finding each other here. ![]()
@Pailin
Glad to see you carried the "My little Pony" theme into the new site....too funny.
On another thread they were saying look for a retest of 34.40 before getting in, any thoughts on that?
I'm afraid I'm going to spend a lot of this summer trying to sit still and not trade, this will be the first summer I've traded through and so far it's just chopping up and down with a general down trend...I miss last fall.
Pailin.... I will definitely be following and commenting on your thread. Look forward to your thoughts and discussions.
Looks like we have a nice double bottom forming from yesterdays lows and hopefully a FUBM in the making currently.
Mind if you post a little bio here.
I'll offer up info that I previously posted on the old Turd. I'm just under middle-aged, presently unemployed (aka self-employed :), live in New England, USA. I worked many years in financial services, long enough to know from the inside that the conspiracy theories are more right than wrong in a broad sense. Paper is a joke, a game of hot potato at best.
I may also be the cheapest b@stard you'll even know. My primer was The Millionaire Next Door. It's not what you earn as much as what you keep (or don't spend). When you do spend, how you spend is very important (new car vs. used, etc.) And, relevant to this site, how you hold your savings (fiat, metals, reinvest in your own business, etc.) When I was worked for others, I saved 50% ore more of my gross income. Year after year. My net worth is greater than the cumulative of my w-2s for the last 15 yrs. This was primarily accomplished through saving vs. spending, not savvy trading. I only starting actively trading in November 2010.
One "cheap" example - I have not used any source of heat (hot showers aside) for the last three years. In New England. I layer. And love it. I do not have children, and would not do this if I did. The fiat saved (approx. $2700/winter) is pushed into physical gold and silver on a seasonal low basis (Jan/Feb) every year. I could give many other examples where I choose goods over services as a lifestyle, but don't want to alienate you folks too much :)
[quote=Kiwi]On another thread they were saying look for a retest of 34.40 before getting in, any thoughts on that?...I miss last fall.[quote]From the view right here, I think 30 is in the cards this summer, maybe even a needle into 29s. I'm not building a line in XAG at present. My stink bids represent day trades that I'm ok holding until they go green. Small positions, small gains. Fall will be here soon enough. Better to be patient than burn a lot of energy, if nothing else, with excessive trading now. Your physical should be your insurance to capture unforeseen non-seasonal spikes up based on world events. There is always a chance that this summer will be different, but that's a bad way to trade. My take anyway.
What just happened? My bad XAU trade is green all of a sudden :)
Tempting to close it now, I think we're going back down soon enough, but I'm going to stick to my target 1544.
I may also be the cheapest b@stard you'll even know. My primer was The Millionaire Next Door. It's not what you earn as much as what you keep (or don't spend). When you do spend, how you spend is very important (new car vs. used, etc.) And, relevant to this site, how you hold your savings (fiat, metals, reinvest in your own business, etc.) When I was worked for others, I saved 50% ore more of my gross income. Year after year.
You just described me !!
I am modestly comfortable, got a good nestegg behind me while in my 20's and was able to retire.. Since then I have turned that nestegg a few 100% also. But even in a position, I drive an old car, refuse to join the consumption for consumption game.. I travel a lot, live in Asia so have plenty of interesting places to go ride around, stuff like that. I dont owe one cent, now or ever, dont do credit in any form.
I firmly think the key to ending up comfortable is to always remain within your means on the way up.
I firmly think the key to ending up comfortable is to always remain within your means on the way up.
I may have taken this too far...I've been living far below my means :)
Thanks for sharing. Great to see this site taking shape with people you'd like to get to know....
A hat Tip to you Sir!
Good morning Pailin!
Little tricky finding all the old gang now, but things will settle in a few days maybe...
pailin, time to live on a 2 shoestring budget :)
As an aside, who are you doing this for then? Will you eventually retire to an island and live out your days in tranquility? You have no children, so who will you pass your wealth to?
Many of us are doing this for our children, and their children. For many of us it is also a bit of a game and quite addictive. No right or wrong either way in my book. Just wondering what your motivations are?
Looks like we have a nice double bottom forming from yesterdays lows and hopefully a FUBM in the making currently.
The FUBM is in overdrive at the moment, the question is how far do we go on this move, $36, 36.50 or $37+?
thanks pailin - i was hoping you would make your own thread
whr the hell is atlee
old sp, now sp001
anyways anyone still playing equities game? shorts, r u hiding, i continue to short it and go long gold. i honestly don't have the guts or trading experience to mess with paper silver right now. it's too nuts for me lately!
btw nothing wrong with being a "cheap bastard" but it is the wrong description in my opinion. people who are "cheap" r simply those who value their time more than working as a slave to pay off a luxury good! that being said 50% savings is damn impressive! i only have 55% after taxes are all paid!
As an aside, who are you doing this for then?
Me and the missus.
When I was laid off last October, I didn't bat an eye. It's not the first time it's happened to me. Being in financial services, it's been a cycle every 6-8 yrs that I've "enjoyed". So I've been preparing accordingly for a long time. I'm debt free and rent. The salary was just funding further savings anyway, and too much of it was a donation to Uncle Sam. I won't miss giving at the office :)
My monthly cost of living is 1/10th of 1% of my net worth. I'm actually actively working at all times to reduce my COI footprint even further. Since nearly all my savings is inflation-hedged, I'm -in broad terms- good to go for the next 90 yrs w/o being productive.
Except I'm too young to sit around doing nothing. I also miss the office interaction, though not the politics. My plan was always to be able to walk away at any time the BS wasn't worth the paycheck. TPTB just beat me to the decision, that's all :)
Right now, their plan is that I'm supposed to be up to my ears in debt and all vulnerable to swapping the last bit of integrity and self-respect (not to mention freedeom) I have to vote in the next group of connected politicians and their dripping tit of handouts.
Too bad I stepped outside their plan.
So I'm here trading and building my own side business. Both are modest endeavors that tend to support paying the bills vs. upgrading my economic caste. Both are also in service of transitioning out of NE to TX. Better place to be (for me), whether things just get really bad or go Mad Max. I lack self-sufficiency in the lead and land dept.
Hi Pailin, I have been avid follower of your trading ideas, and lately your postings have been my main reason of visiting Turd's blog :-). Look forward to learn from your brilliant insights, and am hoping to build up trading strategies utilizing your ideas.. Thanks a million again and please keep up the good work and guild us to survive in this tough trading arena:)
Good going Pailin. Interesting to learn more about you...thanks for being open.
I'm also thinkin of starting my own 'thread' called: "Nightshift with JoeKa"
Not sure if i'll be talking to myself...which happens quite a lot on the deep late show.
Your posts are a great help .Thank you
Thanks for the appreciation. Now is a good time to mention a few basic Pailin "rules".
1. All things in moderation (don't overleverage, never go "all in" - EVER).
2. My economic circumstances and trading goals are likely very different from everybody else's. Keep this in mind if you track my trades with your own money, as opposed to watching from the sidelines and laughing when I lose :)
3. Cover your backside. Watch your risk, losing less is more important than "maybe" making a whole lotta. You never know when your supply line to easy fiat (jobs, bank loans, friends to borrow from, etc.) will dry up. If you've traded away all your fiat to losses and don't have any physical or other net assets, you're now vulnerable to the dripping tit. You don't want that! A lot of my strategy pre-supposes a long core of physical or PSLV-type equity and double-longing it with paper in a bull trend or shorting paper to hedge that core in a bear trend. Resistance points and use of stops are an essential part of my trades.
4. If there's no obvious trend, there's no obvious trade. Good time to step away and pretend to do your job (if you have one) so you'll get a bonus year-end, or go outside and live a little (cheaply, of course!) You should already have physical, so you're never out of the trade...you're LONG.
5. Short charts are great for short term trades, never forget to watch the longer charts too. Right now, I'd rather get caught buying poorly at 33 than 37. Why? Risk vs. Reward. Risk? 30-32. Reward? 35-37. Look at the 4hr and 8hr Bollinger bands, recent resistance and those two prices...see what I mean?
I'm sure I'll think of more, but the above is a start. When I post trades, I'll try hard to provide relative context for the upside, downside, and size of trade I'm attempting. I don't enter these things to lose fiat, but sometimes I have a different goal in mind too (like shorting to hedge off-market physical long).
I will give those cold showers a try. Wife can't be convinced though.
Silver, gold and oil rolling down. Choppy action today.
Devise, if wifey is working and bringing home more than the cost of those hot showers...you're net positive. Her happiness is an acceptable cost of doing business, an investment that yields returns. Another Pailin rule - keep the workers working, even if it means you have to pay them a little more :)
Now, if she's not earning just consuming... Just kidding!
mind me asking how you are allocated asset-wise in broad terms?
my savings are going more and more into cash. ultimately (within next 5 yrs) i will prob take out alot of the money to open my own business.
but i literally started saving 3 years ago when i first got a real job (before was still in post-grad education mode)...since then i keep accumulating cash. i'm in 30% short-term bonds/TIPS (which is 100% of my solo 401k which i manage), but don't feel comfortable putting much into equities (think they are too expensive), or more than 20% in PM (including physical and paper combined). this typically leaves me with 50-60% cash at all times which drives me crazy! i'm still renting but will not buy b/c valuations whr i live are too much.
anyways point is pailin, u seemed to have saved a good deal and i'm interested in how u got to this point! any help is appreciated...at the end of the day, i don't expect trading to really do much to make me money but investing, on the other hand, could make a major difference. i'd be ecstatic with 10% annualized over a decade!
Today's stink bids - XAG 33.35, XAU 1481.
I'm already long XAU 1531.8 with a target sell 1544.
Otherwise flat (for trading) XAG.
Still feeling neutral to negative on seasonal trend here.
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