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Wall Street Money in the 2012 Election

Let's discuss the influence of Wall Street money in our political process, as well as the current crop of candidates.

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Follow the money: Romney is the one Wall Street wants in

(This is a response to this comment: http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/comment/68335#comment-68335)

Rowdyboy wrote: "Is it a coincidence Cain came from nowhere? And espouses all of the TEA party platform? Except the part about auditing and ending the FED?"

I really think you are overblowing his one year with the Fed, which was on the *regional* level. I've known about Cain for a while now. He had a radio show in Atlanta for years, that you could also listen to on the Internet. I remember seeing a speech of his at least a year ago where I just knew that if he ran for president he'd do really well. He's simply a GREAT speaker and is highly charismatic. He has a special "quality" about him that makes people really like him. He has  "X Factor." Granted, we had a problem with Obama being "charismatic" so I agree, be suspicious, but follow the money.

The money simply does not back up any "Cain Conspiracy." All you need to do is look at the money:

Cain's cash on hand: $480,000
http://www.politico.com/2012-election/herman-cain/index.html

Romney's cash on hand: $12.7 million
http://www.politico.com/2012-election/mitt-romney/index.html

So Romney has more than 20 times the cash on hand that Cain has? Where has this money been coming from? Wall Street. Romney has been getting all the Wall Street donations that previously went to Obama. (You can look that one up.)

Additionally, the media just about ignored Cain up until he won the Florida straw poll. It was clear the media wanted either Romney or Perry.

Cain is gaining traction not because there's some conspiracy going on, but because conservatives like him. A lot.

Here's my concern - as I stated earlier, my father has worked with the Fed and felt it was a useful institution. He is not an Illuminati, tool for big money, or on the side of the elite. He's just more mainstream than you might be.

It would be a shame if a good candidate got pushed out of the way by super ideological folks who got so hung up on this one issue that they discount the man entirely. Has it occurred to you, that at the regional level, Cain wasn't involved with any secret conspiracies or anything? That he just was working with them on a "face value" level? 

I googled to see if he'd talked a bit about his experience, and here's what he told Glenn Beck:

http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/05/24/glenn-interviews-herman-cain/

He feels the Fed is different now. Additionally, he states quite clearly in that interview he'd like the Fair Tax and abolish the IRS.

I moved this discussion into the politics forum...if people want to continue it...all I wanted to say is, I follow the money. And the guy who gets the money from Wall Street is the one I'd be looking out for. Right now, that guy is Romney, not Cain.

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Uh oh

You have really gone and done it now Steph. This should be interesting. Thanks for the new thread.

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Cain - 5 years at the Federal Reserve in Kansas City

"I really think you are overblowing his one year with the Fed, which was on the *regional* level." - Stephanie

Herman Cain served for 5 years at the Federal Reserve in Kansas City. Not flipping burgers or making pizza, but serving the banking cartel at a high level. Deputy Chairman (1992–94) and Chairman (1995–96).

Since he served at the Pillsbury corporation, led by a family of globalist Skull & Bones members, rose through the ranks at Pillsbury's subsidiaries, Burger King and Godfathers Pizza, it is no coincidence that Cain also served the banking cabal at the Fed for 5 years. They are run by the same globalists.

The fact that the banking cabal has always talked about implementing another tax, National Sales Tax or VAT, on top of the income tax and corporate tax, is it also just a coindence that Cain is pushing his 9-9-9 plan, which is 9% corporate tax, 9% income tax and a new 9% national sales tax? Just what the cabal always talked about, another new tax on top of all our other taxes. As we know it will soon become the 12-12-12 plan, and then 15-15-15 plan. You get the picture.

So he just came out of the blue, having never entered politics, and now decides to run aligned with the Tea Party on every policy, EXCEPT ending the Fed and ending the IRS and income tax? How convenient.

I believe Rick Perry was their boy. Perry was a Bildergberg attendee, and pushed their globalist NAFTA superhighway-Trans Texas Corridor agenda, Agenda 21 global governance, forced innoculations and others. http://www.augustforecast.com/2011/08/16/rick-perry-tied-to-agenda-21-globalist-policies/

When Perry totally flopped, they conveniently have Cain as their backup boy. Having served 5 years on the Fed, Cain will do nothing to solve the #1 issue in America, ending the monopoly of the banking cartel, ending the IRS, and getting back to sound money. He said so on his video. He even belittled Ron Paul for even asking for more Fed audits.

Cain also supported the bailouts, and even though we didn't create the banker created derivatives debt, Cain stated these new taxes will help us pay for that debt. The debt we don't owe! Cain is doing the bankers bidding. They do not want Ron Paul to win. He would do what needs to be done to fix the real problems. That is why they coopted Ron Paul's message with Herman Cain, ...just without the End the Fed message.

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I know Ron Paul raised 8

I know Ron Paul raised 8 million for Q3. That's pretty darned good.

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Cain on Debate Tonight

Bachmann asked Cain about the role model of Fed chief, and Cain answered "Alan Greenspan". 

I almost fell off my chair. You can't make this up. Of course, the good Ron Paul pointed out that Alan Greenspan sucks. 

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 Herman Cain served for 5 years at the Federal Reserve in Kansas City. Not flipping burgers or making pizza, but serving the banking cartel at a high level. Deputy Chairman (1992–94) and Chairman (1995–96).

@Rowdyboy, did you see two questions about the Fed Herman Cain answered? The first one he brushed off Ron Paul's question arrogantly. The second question by Bachmann, he proudly named Greenspan as model Fed chief.

@Stephanie, Cain is clearly a Fed's insider. Anecdotes trickle in and none of them is good. 

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Not all mainstream people are involved in conspiracies

Sorry, I just don't think that just because someone worked for a suspect institution and achieved mainstream success at very mainstream corporations this must mean they are part of the Illuminati.

And I'm not anti-conspiracy whatsoever (I think Osama bin Laden died 10 years ago).

But I've already explained that my father, who worked for the Comptroller of the Currency for 30+ years, and has dealt directly with the Fed, told me he doesn't think the Fed is the problem. Are you going to accuse my dad of being some Illuminati tool? Because he's not. He hates the elite.

I honestly have to wonder if some of this anti-Cain stuff isn't being fed by Romney's camp. We know for certain Romney is bought and paid for. And Ron Paul is not likely to win. So here we have Cain, a somewhat mainstream candidate who might actually be working towards the Fair Tax, and you Ron Paul guys are tearing him down. All you are going to do is make sure Romney is the GOP nominee, and then we will be assured of the same ole same ole.

Don't get me wrong. I have concerns about Cain and don't like some of his positions, particularly about the EPA. I just think sometimes you can read too much into things, and see conspiracies everywhere, when I just think life is a little less simple than that.

I see Cain as a mainline old school conservative. I just don't get this sinister vibe from him. 

I could be wrong, but I really caution against tearing him down when Romney is the one you really need to be worried about. He's for sure bought and paid for. But I actually don't think Romney will beat Obama. If Romney's the nominee, we'll have four more years of Obama.

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Whats with the tearing him down comments? And conspiracy too?.

I listed Cain's background. And yes his association with 2 globalist organizations run by the banksters. That is not tearing him down. That is educating peope on who Cain is involved with for those who may not do any in depth research.

As far as conspiracy, there are many books about the Skull & Bones and the Fed banking cabal, written by people in government, and people with members in their own family, so those are conspiracy facts!

I also noticed in another thread, that you support the left's environment policies. That is the biggest conspiracy of them all! I would suggest you read the thread called Against Socialism in this forum. I posted info on Agenda 21, and Technocracy movements. Climate Gate already busted the fake data of global warming charade. That really was a conspiracy! And you seemed to have fallen for that one. Educate yourself about WHO created this movement, when, why, and follow the money trail and power trail.

People who call this conspiarcy are just people who haven't educated themselves. Stuck in normalcy bias.

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I listed Cain's background. And yes his association with 2 globalist organizations run by the banksters. That is not tearing him down. That is educating peope on who Cain is involved with for those who may not do any in depth research.

As far as conspiracy, there are many books about the Skull & Bones and the Fed banking cabal, written by people in government, and people with members in their own family, so those are conspiracy facts!

Do you have any direct evidence that Cain himself became a member of Skull & Bones, joined the Freemasons, pledged to the Illuminati, or otherwise joined the secret cabal? Just because he worked for Pillsbury doesn't mean he's in on it. He's a Baptist preacher - I thought the Illuminati were secretly Satanists? 

I'm not convinced. You don't have evidence - you have associations. And I don't assign guilt by association on these things. If you do have more evidence then I'm open to it. However, I've heard it all - all sorts of things about Obama, the Clintons, Palin, McCain, etc. - I tend to take them with a grain of salt and try to look at it objectively and not assume that they are all in on it. I think some are, but some are sincere. 

rowdyboy wrote:

I also noticed in another thread, that you support the left's environment policies. That is the biggest conspiracy of them all! I would suggest you read the thread called Against Socialism in this forum. I posted info on Agenda 21, and Technocracy movements. Climate Gate already busted the fake data of global warming charade. That really was a conspiracy! And you seemed to have fallen for that one. Educate yourself about WHO created this movement, when, why, and follow the money trail and power trail.

Yes, I know all that. I think the environmental movement has been in many respects co-opted by the elite. I think Al Gore is a tool. However, I think there is also a tendency to throw the baby out of the bathwater. I've seen far too many on the right poo-poo things like electric cars, or discount peak oil, or think we can just trash the planet without consequence. I actually think solar panels are a good thing. And so is wind power. Why are these things put down so much? It's not that we need to fund them - let these businesses rise or fall on their own accord - but I'd like to see solar panels on every home in America. It would help us get off foreign oil. 

I think there's a middle ground...I just think the world is more nuanced and there's not much true black and white out there. :-)

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RE:Cain

His comments about "don't blame the bankers" the other day is more than enough to show where this guy stands. Come on, he is clearly a Bankster. I have nothing personal against this guy, but I would never trust him after listening to him. 

Other than Ron Paul, the USA is a political wasteland right now when is comes to honesty, integrity and leadership.

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Yeah, I heard that. Cain definitely doesn't want to expound on that topic. Its a loser topic for him now that more people are waking up to the Fed.

Alan Greenspan? Really. Greenspan was a Bilderburger, Trilateral Commission, CFR member, and Bohemian Grove. Greenspan was a Director at Brown Brothers Harriman. It is filled to the brim with Skull & Bones. They financed Hitler and other dictators, as well as the US. They financed both sides. The head of the Bush family (Prescott Bush) also served there. Do your own research.

Greenspan served both GHW Bush and GW Bush as their Fed Chairman. See how that works Stephanie?

The correct answer is we shouldn't have a private corporation banking cartel advising us and creating our money. Cain seems compromised to me.

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Ron Paul Media Blackout Continues

Quote: "But where the heck is Ron Paul?

He is the one who did well in those debates. He won the most recent straw poll. He raised $8 million in the last three months from over 100,000 supporters. He is not some Tom, Dick, and Harry. He is a real candidate, unlike Palin, who dropped out, but he doesn't even get mentioned as a participant.

You don't need to be a supporter of him to be outraged. Even a Perry supporter or an ardent Democrat who listened to this report would want to know that there is a legitimate candidate named Ron Paul who will participate in the debate, and who will, if past record is any indication, do well. A democracy needs accurate news coverage to function properly. And when coverage fails so miserably time and again, we need to ... do more research.

So the Wall Street Journal ran a longish front-page piece this morning, “Debates Take Candidates for a Bumpy Ride.” But Paul is not mentioned. Not even in a side bar. He just doesn't exist.

And the New York Times? Well, it ran a front-page article, “Five Things to Watch for in the G.O.P. Debate.” And only towards the bottom, it forces itself to mention Paul, but in a parenthetical remark between dashes: "Mrs. Bachmann is likely to be joined by the others on the stage — Ron Paul, Newt Gingrich, and Rick Santorum — in assailing Mr. Obama's administration...."

​Link: http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/where-heck-ron-paul

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Ron Paul was blackballed in 2008 (actually Dec of 2007). He was leading or near the top in many polls and his "money bombs" were historic in terms of amounts and contributions by ordinary citizens. He was then dropped from the debates and completely shunned by the MSM. I gave up after that. These Presidential elections are a complete farce.  

Sorry, I don't buy into any of this nonsense with Cain. He isn't fooling me at all. And Christie endorsing Romney today seals the deal with that blowhard. He's just another GOP sellout too.

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It's looking like a Romney/Cain ticket or something close to that. Ron Paul has been blackballed again just as he was in 2008.

This coming Presidential election will be a sham and a farce, no question about it. The Banksters are two or three steps ahead on this plan, and literally control the MSM. The American people have no voice in this. This is a sad fact to me, as Obama was nothing more than a Manchurian Candidate himself. Even my lefty friends know this now.

So it makes no difference who wins (Obama or Romney), the country still loses in the end. I can hardly wait to see what position is thrown Jamie Dimon's way. My call is FED chairman or Sect of the UST. That day will mark another low in the history of the USA.

End the FED. Repeal legal tender laws. It's the only path to freedom and liberty.

Peace and Aloha,

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Bay of Pigs. He will run

Bay of Pigs. He will run third party. They redid his district so he can't be a Congressman anymore anyway. Time to burn those bridges. And burn them he will.

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I was going to write to BOP last night, but got to tired. I was thinking the exact same thing. If Paul runs as an independent, the Repubs would freak because he would obviously split the vote, in essence getting Obama re-elected. So if he goes all in as an (I) and says screw it I have nothing to lose, I think the Repubs would have to back him to get their party into the WH. What do you all think about that.

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But that is the thing. There

But that is the thing. There are enough disaffected Obama supporters that will get Ron Paul elected. Ron Paul brings together Dems, Repubs, Libertarians, and Independents. He is a veteran, he has a voting record he can stand by, he was a doctor, and no one can bring up their old videos from before that discuss the Fed, economy and the monetary policy.

He has been talking about it since Reagan. And most specifically, the last time he ran. No one else running can say that. This discredits Romney further. Wouldn't someone who knows the economy like Romney be able to know that we were going to have a crisis? Why did Ron Paul? Who understands the economy?

Not only that, but the others are merely parroting him especially on the Fed. Hell, he is the only one up there that probably met or supported Reagan aside from Gingrich. And he has photos of that too! The Emperor Wears No Clothes. And almost everyone is naked.

Perry has screwed himself. I don't know if he can bounce back from a few things like SS. Most notably what his family's hunting grounds were named. (N word-head) He sounds like a dolt when he speaks.

Romney has the religion thing and it will hurt him eventually. No one from the south will vote for him. He reeks of snake oil. He's got it in his hair. And if I hear one more time that he has spent time in the private sector I might puke. He just looks shady. Used car salesman.

Cain screwed himself by blatantly lying about calling supporters of auditing the Fed stupid. And the fact that he supported Greenspan further confirms Ron Paul on the issue of the Fed. His 9-9-9 plan is great for government because they can raise it to a 20-20-20 plan whenever they need it. They won't cap it. He's got no money to run.

Huntsman has no chance. Neither does Santorum. Neither does Gingrich. And Bachmann will out crazy herself at one point sooner rather than later. These folks have no money either.

That only leaves Paul. He's got military support. In fact more support than all the others combined. That speaks volumes. He's got money. He can hang in there long enough. And sometimes that is all you need.

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BSD. Yes I think he may try

BSD. Yes I think he may try to leverage that too. Either we split the vote or you nominate me. Period. And I think because they are arrogant they will let him run third party and try to discredit him. He is performing better than he was and earlier than in the previous Presidential run. This is scaring the shit out of both sides. But, Obama may be hoping for the split of the Republican vote, but he doesn't know what is coming. LOL.

But whatever that Ghandi quote is will ring true eventually. The economy will be such shit by the time the election comes around that no one will want to be President anyway except for Ron Paul. By then Congress will have religion and look to Ron Paul for guidance.

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Hardcore Dems will not vote for Ron Paul

TheGoodDoctor wrote:

But that is the thing. There are enough disaffected Obama supporters that will get Ron Paul elected. Ron Paul brings together Dems, Repubs, Libertarians, and Independents. He is a veteran, he has a voting record he can stand by, he was a doctor, and no one can bring up their old videos from before that discuss the Fed, economy and the monetary policy.

I mentioned this in the OWS thread - I know a lot of hardcore Dems and they would never support Ron Paul. Sorry to break it to you, but they think he is a joke. A crank of sorts. And they are highly opposed to libertarian philosophy. They want government to pay for social services, they want government to spend money on infrastructure, and they believe in government solutions.

They would be more likely to vote for Romney than Ron Paul. Sad to say, but true.

I think Ron Paul has been great in terms of sparking a movement, but I don't think he will ever be president. I think that someone like Rand Paul is more likely to carry the torch and potentially be able to achieve a successful presidential bid. But the country is not ready for a libertarian president and more work would needs to be done on educating people as to why libertarianism is a desirable option. Otherwise, far too many Democrats (trust me) are completely brainwashed as to government being the main solutions to all our problems. 

PS I still disagree with you guys on Cain. I disagree with his comments on Greenspan but I don't think Cain is sinister - just very very mainstream. Which is why I think he actually has a chance and Paul does not. Sorry!

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