We're creating new moderation accounts for our moderators that separate out their daily personalities from their moderation duties. We're doing this, in part, so that the moderation isn't confused with a moderator's personal views. Our moderators do their best to be objective, no matter what their personal opinions.
Moderation Guidelines - Please Read
Doh! Now I am going to have to spell-check and formulate my words much more carefully before posting! Oh the sanity!
Thanks for everything Stephanie/Admin. You two are the glue behind the scenes who often get no credit. I am appreciative for everyone who makes Turdville possible, obviously including the Turd Himself, and the web team. The formatting that tfmetalsreport has is second to none of any community I have been apart of!
Keep up the good work, the constant innovation, and your kind spirits/intentions.
A pleasure to be apart of such good company.
That was very kind of you. We appreciate you too. :-)
I appreciate all of your efforts.
Peace and Aloha,
Obviously something here in Turdville is working very well - this is a great place - it's informative, educational, supportive and fair, even when dealing with some highly charged topics.
Must say though ... although I don't do so frequently, I have been known to post while moderately intoxicated on a Friday evening - so that guideline (outlined above) worried me a wee bit.
Just kidding - carry on.
I hope this works out for the best for you Mods. and the website.
You've all taken a beating at times just helping out and trying to stay above the fray.
Thanks...talk to all of you on the forums later.
Anyone that thinks a town can remain at peace with no sherriff isn't thinking in my opinion. By all indications we've got intelligent, self-restrained sherriffs who make every attempt to identify personal biases and check them at the door when on official business.
We've got a vast majority of citizens who are intelligent, erudite and who also exhibit a measure of self-restraint. If that majority is to be maintained the less self-controlled have to be externally restrained.
Freak me out, there are so many well researched, well presented points of view found here it's impossible to read them all, much less take the time required to compose a worthy response.
If it stays that way, you guys will be a big reason for the success.
Thank all of you!
Thanks to everyone who contributes time, energy and money to keep this place going. It looks like we have a reasonable plan to maintain a minimum level of decorum on the site. I commend the Moderators of Turdtown for their patience and good judgment. If I had to offer a criticism of the moderation effort so far, I would say that it has been too polite. If TF Metals Report invites people into this house for a positive, collaborative purpose and some of the people who show up choose to behave in a childish, ego-driven or otherwise disruptive manner and can't grasp the concept of mutual respect, their asses should be kicked to the curb (with extreme prejudice, imo). Otherwise, the people that you want to attract and contribute here will move on.
Thank you all for the effort and dedication put into the site. RE: FIRST! -- 'tis a harmless and often witty tribute to the beginnings of this movement. My vote is to keep them, and if I ever get the opportunity, will post FIRST! (with some value add, I hope)
It's the child like ness in us that want's to say 'first' once we lose the childlikeness then we lose the sight to have a joyful life. This is a PM site but some of the fun and humor is a good.lighthearted way to relive the stress..so keep the first. its not like anyone is hurting or name calling. If TURD can stick his hurt middle finger up we can keep the first:)
I really liked the First, and just yesterday I got a THIRD! I figured that was the best I'd ever get. I danced around my chair to celebrate. Then I found it removed. Gosh, I didn't know what to think.
Now I know.
I gotta be honest, I'm disappointed, and I'll miss it. I thought it was fun, and a small way to play in an otherwise emotionally difficult and mentally strenuous discussion forum.
But I'm not complaining, just saying I'll miss it.
If that's the rules, then that's the rules. So be it.
When I grow up and get a blog of my own, then I can have a FIRST every day.
PS. Thanks so much to the moderators! You are caring and giving people and you do us all a great service.
PPS Delete the trolls, I don't see the value in tolerating disruption, rudeness or verbal aggression. I think it's a good idea to set limits and keep them.
Never done it, never will but it seems to be a blog tradition-seen it on many blogs.
Innocent fun; let it be IMO.
I wouldn't have any issue with a "First" that also includes some valid commentary or is funny, witty, or somehow related to the topic.
I on the other hand would not miss one bit the one-word "First" "Second" "Third" inanity that clutters up the beginning of every thread.
That's my vote on it! For whatever it's worth. I don't have strong feelings on it either way.
If I ever am blessed with the opportunity to make a "First" post I will try to make it something useful to the blog!
What ever the moderators decide is fine by me, Turd did mention in his video trying to keep the main blog on topic.
Firsts: If people took the time to write a thoughtful post, they would never get first. First's through Turd's don't take up much room are easy to get past and make it faster to get through the first page. I personally wouldn't bother deleting or moving these. Sometimes, when people complain it is because they want to complain, and no matter what you do, these people will never be satisfied. They will always find something to complain about. I do my best to ignore those people.
As far as the forums are concerned, they were set up in a pretty rough outline. The hierarchy is not clear. Where to post and where to look for information is not structured in a way that makes the forums an easy place to either find what you are looking for, or where you may want to post something. For instance, finding information on gun ownership.
It would be nice if there was a cleaner hierarchy of subjects. For example one for cooking with Eric O's canned hams in a separate forum from other recipes, an area for recipes, cooking and canning, sustainable living, and breadmaking, since it was a topic many were interested in the past weekend. These are things that I am interested in, so I am using them as examples. Others have different interests that would have equal footing in different sub-sets, including another area for health related subjects. "Everything else" is a bit too broad. Although, when the site was first set up, no one knew what the "everything else" would be.
Another area of interest could be the EE as it applies to areas other than metals. Someone else could do a better job of explaining how this hierarchy should be than I.
Since the site is relatively young, now would be the time to set up a better filing system for the forums. And yes, people will complain if you change anything that they have already set in place, including a post. The key issue is functionability and ease of use. Ease of finding information revolves around a good filing system. It's a crummy job, but somebody has to do it. :-). If it doesn't get done, (arranging a better filing system) things will get lost and people will keep posting their stuff on the main page (although they may continue to do so anyway). IMO, if the forums were organized a bit better, people would use them more. Also, if the moderators went ahead and created a forum and said, this is where we want this to go, most, except for the truly stubborn, would comply.
I really enjoyed going through DPH's 24/7 forum with videos and music. Although I would change it to one for music video and one for other video. Additionally IMO, DPH's recent 17 part video belonged there.
This site is evolving and should be allowed to do so in the very best possible way, by both Turd and his moderators, who happen to be the decision makers here, and the rest of us who have a choice to participate, or not.
I have noticed a lot of both ego and testosterone on this blog site, which reminds me of this old joke, "For an instant asshole, just add alcohol."