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ghost wrote: I don't think

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I don't think SVM has anything to do with Wynter Benton, it was asked by some other poster if Wynter knew anything about SVM and Wynter was basically suggesting any silver miner should benefit from Silver price sky-rocketing once the game is over.

After sleeping on it, I agree.  The quote about SVM I referenced above indicates the traders in the group pointed to SVM as an example, but as you say any miner should benefit.  They seem to be outlining how to trade it, not exactly which one to trade.

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The following reply to the question of what to do with the miners come from a few traders within our group. It is not the advice from The Leader or the group in general.

These traders believe that that best way to play the miners is to 'go for the kill'.

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Wynter's latest comment

http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_J/threadvie...

Take your revenge againt The Morgue 22 minutes ago

and other gold manipulators by taking physical silver off the market.

Everyone who has made a fistful of dollars on the gold trade should now re-allocate a significant portion of those gains into physical silver. Take revenge against the cartel where it will hurt them the most. If the cartel sees fit to manipulate and cap the price of gold, then we can all take revenge by buying as much physical silver as we can as a form of revenge.

The cartel might be able to control the paper price of gold but not the physical price of silver.

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Thoughts on public participation and counting days

Two thoughts from very early this morning relative to the issues of why wb would want the public in on this and on how to count 60 days:

(1) A good example of how getting the word out in the public could be beneficial for the wb group was last night.  After watching stops get run through, it is definitely in wb's interest for the public to pay attention and use less stops.  This would increase the chance of keeping silver over $36. There is a self-interest  component.

(2) I was working on a federal court brief last night/this morning while watching the carnage and this thought hit me - when counting days to due dates for filings (before recent changes to that rule), it always used to be that if the time limit was really short, like a week or ten days, numerous days such as weekend days and holidays did not get counted; however, if the time limit was longer (like 30 days), every day counted except for the last day if the last day fell on a weekend or federal holiday.  As a result, when I see a longer time period of 60 days used, I would tend to think it means calendar days and not only trading days.

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John Embry has a new blog post at KWN. Part of the blog headline reads "JP Morgan Trapped Short in Silver" and here's a quote from the post:

When asked about silver specifically Embry replied, “The noted bullion bank, and we all know who it is, has an enormous short position (in silver), which can never be covered with real metal.  They are moving heaven and earth to try to prevent the inevitable price rise.  They will be overcome and the price will go berserk as a result of that.  So once it clears $50, which I suspect it will do in the not too distant future, it’s onward and upward.”

http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2011/9/8_Emb...

There is no detailed explanation or quantification of the position other than "enormous". But Embry is a guy who has been around the banks and the PM markets for a long time and I believe that he knows something. Maybe there will be more details when the audio interview is released. I am not suggesting that your analysis is incorrect because I don't have an opposing argument and I've noticed that nobody else has offered one either. And I don't think Embry's reference to an "enormous short position" is related to the supposed derivatives that Wynter-Benton refers to because he says that it "can never be covered with real metal". I'm not asking you to provide an opposing analysis to your own, but have you any other thoughts on the matter?

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Nothing New Here...

@Gil

Same as it ever was...

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Wow, I can hat tip every post

Wow, I can hat tip every post on this page except the one that says JPM is trapped in their shorts.  Is that just a coincidence or something more sinister?  Can anyone else hat tip the post on John Embry and JPM above?

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JPM Shorts post - hat tip

was successful for me.

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Yup, it's working now!  I

Yup, it's working now!  I guess my computer or this site is trying to get me to question my sanity............

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No word from wb today (so far)

Maybe (hopefully) we'll see a post after close tomorrow confirming that the 60 days is up... and the announcement will follow.

60 days will be up as there won't be any more opportunities for trading by Sunday, which still appears to be 'the' day 60.

Gonna be a long weekend otherwise, but as I mentioned, I will be in my strategic positions by market close tomorrow (Friday).

GLTA Turdites!

Also, I'm glad to see so many other very well seasoned professionals confirming in their interviews that (paraphrased) all hell is about to break loose upward in Silver in the "not too distant future".

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trading days

I would think it is trading days.

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Looks like we got the confirmation... THIS WEEKEND!!!

Why is the mighty Morgue about to make a 52 week low?     8 minutes ago    

Not even that POS BAC is close to the 52 week low, nor are the Dow, S&P, or the NAZ close to the 52 week low. So why is The Morgue about to go below $32? What will happen this weekend that might send The Morgue below $30 next week and perhaps into the teens by earnings date? Whatever can it be?

Yet some here still doubt that the Morgue will

.........do da, do da..........

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There doesn't appear to be much of a chance that Ag will dip below $36 before the close.

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WB/PM Action

Thanks SFH!  Clearly, something going on in the PM markets.  We know about the possible Greek default this weekend but that only seems to be more fuel on whatever fire is burning behind the scenes.  I hope WB is right and they are sure taking this right down to the wire and keeping up informed as they go.  It all may just be true.  Still holding and sitting tight because something is going to blow.  The tension is palpable.  Got to run now but be back later in the day to view the action.

 

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follow-up by wb...

Re: Why is the mighty Morgue about to make a 52 week low?     58 minutes ago    

You always have to be nervous dealing with The Morgue. If Greece blows up this weekend, we wouldnt be surprised to see the Dow open down 1000 and silver is back under $36. Of course within 2 days silver will be back over $40 and within a week be back at $50.

On the other hand, we can also see the scenario where Greece blows up this weekend and silver opens up at $46 and closes right under $50 this Monday. In other words, The Morgue can slam silver under the guise that everything else is falling too even though the news should be good for silver.

Look at what happened to gold when the SNB pegged its currency to the Euro. Gold got clocked when it should have soared.

If Greece does default this weekend, then silver will be rallying this quarter no doubts about it.

 
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(I like scenario #2.)
As for the reference to gold and SNB, I think that may be a shot across the bow reminding those who their messages are directed to that the SNB tactic had about as much lasting effect as a fart in a whirlwind. And wb did say they would buy every ounce of physical (drain the COMEX) if the paper price ever dropped below $36 again.
So, IMO, scenario 2 is more likely. Regardless, it looks like 50 is a common number between the two... and the other commentators on KWN, as well as other sites have said 50 is the launch point on its way quickly to 60.

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Getting weirder.

Getting weirder.

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OK, I'll take a stab at it...

PURE CONJECTURE.... NOT A REPORT...

Euro fails this weekend... that will be the result of the G7 meeting.

Just my guess.

(The tension waiting for the announcement that wb has been saying will happen and will be self-evident when disclosed is real tight. Something is about to snap.... huge... 23 hours 53 minutes to go..?)

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SFH I am disappointed that WB

SFH

I am disappointed that WB did not say anything about the looming deadline today for certain things to happen to The Morgue according to their postings over the past 60 days.  The WB posting on Friday was simply an observation that any of us could have made and have been making.  That being said and in the spirit of playing along until the WB legend is known for what it is, one way or the other, my thought is that the the "self-evident when disclosed event" of which WB writes will start with the downgrade/failure of several large French banks.  The article below from a month ago outlines the exposure of The Morgue and other large US investment banks to French markets.

The French Connection: Can It Drag Down the U.S. Financial Sector?

Posted 2:58PM 08/17/11 Investing

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/08/17/the-french-connection-can-it-drag-down-the-us-fina/

Although, the entire article is interesting from the perspective of being able to compare the exposure of all the large US investment banks to French banking issues overall, it states the following with respect to The Morgue:

2. JPMorgan Chase (NYS: JPM) : Money Center Banks Industry. Market cap of $140.01B. Current price at $36.88. The stock is currently stuck in a downtrend, trading -5.88% below its SMA20, -7.6% below its SMA50, and -12.79% below its SMA200. The stock has performed poorly over the last month, losing 11%.

"JPMorgan Chase & Co., the second-biggest U.S. bank, had $16.5 billion in claims on French banks at the end of 2010, excluding hedges and collateral."

Not only is The Morgue's exposure to the French markets almost 12% of its market cap, as detailed in the above article, that amount "excludes hedges and collateral."  Now, we all know that the "hedges and collateral" is most likely the real problem and the amount is unknown.  The imminent downgrade of the French banks, their intertwined exposure to the Greek financial system and The Morgue's known (and unknown) interests in both the French and Greek markets, receives my vote for the "self-evident when disclosed event," as such a loss of market cap would also leave The Morgue without enough liquidity to play the silver shell game.

Of course, the US taxpayers will most likely be called in to backstop the global bleeding (again), so who knows where this will go eventually, but in the short term, it could get ugly and certain issues could be exposed.  The PM markets have been acting strangely and it is obvious that PM price interventions are being staged and it can only be because of fear.  The question is:  fear of what imminent event?  Maybe the french downgrade is it.  Not as dramatic as the collapse of the euro but something that starts the ball rolling towards the more dramatic events.  Kind of like the at the time seemingly innocuous assassination of Austrian Archduke Ferdinand in Serbia eventually leading to the start of WWI as the act led to certain ultimatums and alliances among what is now the euro zone.

TruBlu

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while we're waiting...

this sounds like someone that wb is working for...

Not saying that it is, but wb has been saying for months the same basic message..

(this is a few weeks old... you may have already seen it)

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Will today be the day The Morgue closes below $30?     6 minutes ago    

But that is not even the relevant question anymore. The relevant question is what will The Morgue be at when it reports earnings this October because by then the derivative bomb will explode unless silver resets under $36.

Btw, our sources out of Greece says that Greece will default by this Wednesday. Just passing this info along, that's all. Let's see if our understanding turns out to be correct or not.

Either way The Morgue.........

.........do da, do da.........

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