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@ Jim-M - thanks for the work

@ Jim-M - thanks for the work on this, it's appreciated.

What strikes me in this latest round as being significant, is that Wynter has said something interesting will happen once silver breaks through $50.  Were they alluding to something they would do at over $50 or just something they though would occur at over $50?  Many think that the minute we have a close above $50, the next day will see a flurry of short covering, which of course could take us a lot higher.

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Evil Poss from TFMetalsReport Blog March 24 to June 2 2011

I'm leaning toward Evil at least fearing reprisal, since s/he clearly went to some trouble to remove all the old posts.  Click link below.  Hat tip to raulv for the Multiupload link.

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Evil Posts to old Blog 3/24 to 6/2 2011

Off topic - did Chin make it to the new site?  I saw a handful of names while reading the old comments that I haven't seen here yet... probably on other forums than I frequent.  Just curious.

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Miners that are targets for call options

I have been considering the most recent Benton posts and their very pointed advice regarding call options on miners.

Have been thinking about which stocks would be the best targets for call options if:

1. Silver explodes in price

2. There is a successful counterattack against those shorting the mining stocks.

With the recent close of the HUI above 610 and the expected continuation of strong volume (witness the volume on SVM alone on Friday), it would appear conditions have been met to put on these trades with repsect to their "advice".

They mentioned SVM and PAAS specifically, and these companies are both:

1. Well of their 52 week highs

2. Actively fighting shorting pressure with stock buybacks

3. have attractive pricing  for long term OTM options

One other company which may fit this set of characteristics is Hecla (HL).

Any thoughts out there???

Am trying to due my DD to be prepared for Tuesday.

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Drudge Report "Evil" Arrest

Was it "'Evil' Australian hacker faces 49 charges" as the headline?  That link is dead, but it doesn't seem related.

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cris wrote: I have been

cris wrote:

I have been considering the most recent Benton posts and their very pointed advice regarding call options on miners.

Have been thinking about which stocks would be the best targets for call options if:

1. Silver explodes in price

2. There is a successful counterattack against those shorting the mining stocks.

With the recent close of the HUI above 610 and the expected continuation of strong volume (witness the volume on SVM alone on Friday), it would appear conditions have been met to put on these trades with repsect to their "advice".

They mentioned SVM and PAAS specifically, and these companies are both:

1. Well of their 52 week highs

2. Actively fighting shorting pressure with stock buybacks

3. have attractive pricing  for long term OTM options

One other company which may fit this set of characteristics is Hecla (HL).

Any thoughts out there???

Am trying to due my DD to be prepared for Tuesday.

SVM management says they've been the target of a massive SVM short selling attack the past two months...

I haven't read the recent minor comments.  Does it imply that the short attack might be what gets unwound when Au price spikes up?

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"Does it imply that the short attack might be what gets unwound"

I believe so...

So on top of being a sound company which would reasonably be expected to rise in stock price with a rise in silver price, there is also the potential for significant short covering. 

And all of this in an environment where anyone following silver miners would have their ears perked up to begin with...and might just want to "pile on".

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Thoughts on the Evil/WB Connection Possibility

OK, some thoughts...

  1. WB clearly states in Feb 2010 just before and during the initial sign off message that TF's blog is the place to communicate.
  2. Evil shows up first on March 24th, last post June 2nd.  Gap from April 14th to May 5th or so.  Says has to lay low 1st week in May (5th-7th or so) and vanishes until May 31st.  Missing post May 31st (deleted).
  3. Evil references "Disneyland II" - perhaps from West Coast?  Everybody I know references Disneyworld if they live closer to Florida and DL if closer to CA.
  4. WB: "Pig SOWeeeeeeeeeee!!!!" - Is that an Arkansas Razorback fan?  Is it common for folks to make that sound when they think of a pig squeal?  (I'm too close to UA to know.)
  5. Evil" "bottom of the Potomac" / WB: "body bag.  WB references songs and sort of sing-songs a bit.  Evil seems more like a joker with the ha-ha-ha stuff.
  6. Evil deletes all old TFMetalReport posts and vanishes (or changes ID/handle).  Why do that if you're not really worried?  That's not a troll.
  7. TF requests private comm with Evil.  Evil disappears soon thereafter.  Hmm...

Personalities "feel" different, kind of like brothers instead of the same person.  Fits with the "strategic simulation job" versus actual trader differences.

Evil could be the WB communication conduit, but does not seem to me to actually be WB.

I wonder if perhaps TF could now be the conduit... except he doesn't talk like an insider enough to "sell it" like Evil or WB did/do.  His comments would have to state "somebody told me" to carry the same insider weight as WB at this point b/c he's repeatedly said he's an outsider with no inside connection.  But he might be working with insider intel if Evil or WB were sending info.

OK, enough.  Rambling now... Sorry.

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Jim-M wrote: [...] 2. Evil

Jim-M wrote:

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2. Evil shows up first on March 24th, last post June 2nd.  Gap from April 14th to May 5th or so.  Says has to lay low 1st week in May (5th-7th or so) and vanishes until May 31st.  Missing post May 31st (deleted).

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I couldn't catch that May 31st either. However I found this (and maybe you guys saw it too), in my inbox.

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Save_America1st has left a new comment on the post "Our Nascent Ascent (updated)(again)":

Hi all...

I was just reading that article from Harvey's site about the CIA telling DSK that America has no gold in Knoc or the Fed, and that he was then set-up "spy-game" style for the rape so that he couldn't tell the world all we have are fake tungsten bars.

The article was on the European Times site and is quite the little spy novel thriller. Even Putin is in on it according to the article.

But then at the bottom of the article I was reading some of the comments.

The 3rd comment was from our long-lost "Wynter-Benton" stating "Fort Knox is empty, as will be the SLV very soon.".

Thought it was cool to see that Benton is still out there I guess...unless it was a copied ID.

But the cryptic kind of post was in previously typical form for Benton as before, so who knows.

Here's the article. Lots of other links within the article to try and back up the whole conspiracy story. Check it out...pretty interesting read:

Russia Says IMF Chief Jailed For Discovering All US Gold Is Gone

Also states that the Egyptian banker who was just nabbed in NYC for rape charges is a close friend of DSK, and that he was set-up for the same reason by our gov't...so the plot sickens...lol. Here's the link to that one:

Former Bank Head Arrested on Sexual Assault Charges

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Well done raulv.

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WBs name

Just was wondering why a girl named Amber was posting for WB, or why use amber as a name, this is what I found.

From Wikipedia:

"The Greek name for amber was ηλεκτρον(electron) and was connected to the Sun God, one of whose titles was Elector or the Awakener."

" ...amber had to be in a liquid state to cover the bodies of insects."  This was good for a laugh so I thought I should share it.
 
 She has alluded to learning to play Chess at the Lizard Lounge.  Seems to be a clear reference to strategy.  
 
http://www.thebluelizardlounge.com/poker-strategy.html  Was there an earlier reference to a poster with Blue in their name?
 
 
 
 

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September Losses

I've been analyzing this whole thing on a 19 day trading cycle, this Tuesday or Wednesday is going to show us which way JPM wants to take this.  Still waiting to see market direction for the middle of next week, a push down is very likely I would bet 70:30 a top is formed by the 6th.

May is coming to mind, 60 days after silver pushed off of $26 (Jan 28th, 2011) the top was in and the plan to raise margins was enacted, not to mention Bentons shorting.  Holidays were in and everyone was feeling elated with the new highs. Be forewarned.

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I dont think they'll raid to

I dont think they'll raid to hard, if they do raid.

What I've seen during this months (and you can check that out on Jesse's blog) is that during the options expiration week is the time when they raid, and raid HARD.

Last hard raid was during OE, May 1st WAS NOT OE week, but the one after OE.. however I guess they decided not to RAID during OE week, and use silver seasonality to RAID even harder (so hard that silver overshot, sadly).

My take is that with this bull season on silver starting, we're going back to pre-May prices, this time even stronger!

I hope, just like everybody else that they dont raid us this sunday or monday (and my guess is they wont)

PS. Thanks for the kudos Z, I'm giving you a Hat Tip back :)

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OK, the following is just WILD speculation, but....

after  reading the zerohedge article about the leak...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/wikileaks-discloses-reasons-behind-chinas-...

"China's increased gold reserves will thus act as a model and lead other countries towards reserving more gold. Large gold reserves are also beneficial in promoting the internationalization of the RMB"

IF wb is aware (by whatever means) of China's goals, and IF it will be China that will be using Silver as a means for common currency (They will hold gold in the reserves for international strength of the RMB but use silver for in-country currency), then could it be possible (perhaps is the question could it be likely.... anything's possible if the first two assumptions are correct) that the 'surprise' at $50. will be China will buyout SVM at a price higher than its 52 week high?

I know, this is wild speculation, BUT, wb is usually cryptic. However, the only stock mentioned for silver miners was, well, SVM.

Now that could be just coincidence or simplicity as wb answered a question when SVM was mentioned in the question. The other stock mentioned was PAAS, and PAAS was mentioned second in the question. So it's also possible that SVM was picked for the answer as wb says, "for example".

All of this is just wild Sunday morning speculation (nothing good on the sheeple hypnotizer) so I thought I'd share my thoughts.

Why did wb mention SVM? Coincidence, simplicity or is there something more?

And how does this tie in with the outright attacks going on in that stock, if at all?

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More wild speculation

Remember from Aug 25:

The Leader wishes to inform his readers that a sovereign central bank will soon announce that it is accumulating silver as a reserve asset.

Also he is advising those who have participated so successfully in the latest gold run to shift their entire focus to the silver market.

.......................................................................................................................

Could it be that the "surprise" after $50 will be that China is the central bank in question??

Most immediately thought the reference was to Mexico.

But esp in light of the WikiLeaks cable, and considering the dramatic effect such an announcement would have, wouldn't China make more sense?  Haven't they used silver as money for thousands of years previously??  

And lastly, wouldn't it make sense that such an announcement would come AFTER the substance has been acquired??

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Re: September losses

I have my doubts that ANYONE will want to put on new shorts in silver this week, at least until it is clear(er) whether or not the Eurozone is going to fall apart.

The German courts make a key ruling on the 7th.  ZH has warned many times that this could be a Lehman moment if the bailout is overturned on legal grounds. 

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edit... CORRECTION to my previous post...

I re-read it and saw wb did mention PAAS in the reply posted on yahoo. Apologies to all.... so part of the basis for my post is out the window...

PAAS has mines in Mexico, Peru, Argentina, and Bolivia.... SVM has a China presence.

I guess the difference, which I should have postulated upon,  was that apparently  SVM is the company the shorts seem to be engaged in an all out attack on with naked short sales.

So, to clarify, wb answered the question with the two stocks in the question. I guess I was up too early.

Still, there's some fishy trading with SVM... all of it on the sell side, so it would appear.

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Hagarth wrote: I've been

Hagarth wrote:

I've been analyzing this whole thing on a 19 day trading cycle, this Tuesday or Wednesday is going to show us which way JPM wants to take this.  Still waiting to see market direction for the middle of next week, a push down is very likely I would bet 70:30 a top is formed by the 6th.

May is coming to mind, 60 days after silver pushed off of $26 (Jan 28th, 2011) the top was in and the plan to raise margins was enacted, not to mention Bentons shorting.  Holidays were in and everyone was feeling elated with the new highs. Be forewarned.

I do not like this Sam I AM, I do not like green Eggs and Ham!  

I respect this opinion but I think you're way off base.  If this were some slow month and OI was high I'd be worried.  OI however is near lows, which according to Ted Bulter and many others is a great predictor of near term lows.

Also, we are getting into silver's strongest season, and we're going to have a slew of traders coming back to work on Tuesday seeing the trend for almost every commodity and stock is down, while gold and silver are holding up well and trending up.

I think we are around the corner from another short squeeze that will take us to the $75 - $130 level over the next 3-4 months.  There seems to be something blocking the beatdowns, coming in and buying when they start, and smackdowns are hard to get going already at this level of OI.  This blocking force, if it exists, if it is the WB group, combined with the season, supply tightness, record Indian/Chinese demand, US QE3, Europe's problems etc etc lead me to believe we are on the cusp of another short covering rally.

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 and IF it will be China that

 and IF it will be China that will be using Silver as a means for common currency 

this was my initial thoughts, after all if it was just some little central bank it might not make that much difference, but China..  

imagine if Wikileaks already have the cable and WB's organization know when the news is coming..  laugh

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I thought this was

I thought this was interesting in light of the wb posts mentioning pain for JPM if silver stays above $36:

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It's been a while since gold's Commercial net short position has been this low...and I'd guess that there's not much room left to the downside in gold.  There's a bit of room to the downside in silver, as I've seen much lower Commercial net short positions that this, but JPMorgan et al would have to engineer a new low silver price for this move down [which would be well below $37 spot] to get more serious long liquidation.  I wish them luck.

..."

http://www.caseyresearch.com/gsd/edition/why-gold-boom-will-be-so-much-bigger-last-one

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china buying silver?

china buying coins from Perth Mint?  

I would now like to claim victory about the 2012 1 oz Dragons. I have been wishing everyone the best of luck getting these because the rest are GONE. In fact, I was so right, the Perth Mint tried to down play my Blog posting Click here to read... If you visit APMEX and any other store, you will see they are sold out before they even have sold 1. Again, I gave the PM an opportunity to rebut and answer my questions and they didnt...I would assume because I was right, and I warned my readers about it here... weeks before anyone gave a shit to say anything. Case closed.

http://silvergoldsilver.blogspot.com/2011/09/silvergold-looks-good-usa-e...

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