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@Art & @Eric

In Southern Kansas, the drought has hit us pretty hard.  Corn got up to about 4 ft tall and was dying.  Most producers swathed and baled it.  Gonna try to find some way to deal with the nitrate.

The bean plants look better, but the problem is that it is so hot (most days 100 - 105) that the blooms aren't setting.  What pods are there show a lot of 1 bean pods and even then, the beans are small.

No harvest yet, even of the early beans, so yields are yet to be determined.

If this area is representative of the country, then stocks going into the year will be much smaller than normal.  What I don't know is what other parts of the country look like.

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Liking This Dip

Turd,

Dec Corn now trading 25c off recent high. This may be all we get, so many like me wanting to buy it lower. I miss a lot of moves waiting for a better setup. You're talking me into it.

Nov beans trading under 13.50 tonight. Need to nibble a little here too.

Art

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If we get a market puke out

If we get a market puke out tomorrow in commodities, maybe will provide a nibble opp on corn.

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Corn in the news today. Bottom line, widely variable yield estimates, but most are trending lower.

http://www.agweb.com/profarmer/article/day_1_press_release_pro_farmer_midwest_crop_tour/

http://www.agweb.com/profarmer/article/consultant_lowers_corn_and_soybean_yield_estimates/

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5814665a-cd9b-11e0-bb4f-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1Vtx8Iw18

On a side note, make sure you keep your eyes on the numbers in Illinois and Iowa in particular, as the trade seems very concerned that the current USDA estimates for Illinois to be 13 bushels (170 bpa) above last year's yield, and for Iowa to be 12 bushels (177 bpa) above last year's yield is simply unrealistic.

And finally from CNBC today:

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000040939

 
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sweet corn

Thanks Art, hat tipped. I'm going to be watching the charts here, but why is price going up if production is also up? The reports are not realistic? Looks like steady up since 8-19 to me. I like me some slow and steady after all the pm volatiles!

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Pro Farmer crop tour in progress this week. Many feel crop size getting smaller. Results will be posed Friday.

Demand is estimated to be more than the supply. USDA expected to reduce their estimates in subsequent reports.

http://www.agweb.com/article/big_questions_to_be_answered_during_crop_tour/

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thanks art

You know, I never understood why farmers arent the richest people in the world. Everyone needs food right? Thank you for indulging my ignorance here, I hardly know what questions to ask and you could not fill a shot glass with what I know of TA, but on the daily chart this has sure been a bullish year for corn overall so far.

I'm curious how they estimate demand, but even if demand goes down some, inflation must be a big factor in price going forward.

Once again thank for the insights!

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Pro Farmer pegs 2011 U.S. corn crop at 12.484 billion bu./147.9

Just out after the market close.

http://www.agweb.com/article/pro_farmer_2011_corn_soybean_crop_estimates/

Is this now priced into the market with todays rally?

Beans broke out of their trading range today. August heat and lack of rain taking a toll on the bean crop. Risk reward may be better for beans than corn. Stay tuned for Sunday night trade 6:00 PM CDT.

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CORN

Do you guys think the CORN ETV will be solid this fall?  It looks like it has done nothing but go up steadily since inception.

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Corn "hammered" today.  Think

Corn "hammered" today.  Think we may trade back down to 7-ish on the DEC ?

http://www.barchart.com/chart.php?sym=ZCZ11&t=BAR&size=M&v=2&g=1&p=I:30&d=X&qb=1&style=technical

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Speaking of Corn

85 to 90 % 0f all Corn grown in America is, or has been, contaminated by GMO.  Some believe the percentage is higher. GMO foods are poisonous to the physiology of any digestive tract that absorbs it.

Stick that in your corn cob pipe but don't smoke it.

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No offense but let's keep

No offense but let's keep this thread to the discussion of trading corn.  I believe there is another forum for these theories.

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Went short today

I should've already done this yesterday but I had to go out and drink copious amounts of whisky. Anyway, when the markets opened this morning, I went long AGA @ $14.05, which is a double short in 25% each for corn, soybeans, wheat and sugar. Only sugar I wasn't entirely convinced by, the others were technically far overbought and due for a correction.

Soybeans sat at an RSI(14) of 76, which it hadn't even been at when it reached the last high at the beginning of this year. Wheat was at an RSI(14) of 71.55, last time this happened was also in February, just before a major down movement. Corn identically was playing an overheated game at an RSI of about 73. All three are now stuck with a three black crows candlestick pattern on the hourly, and I doubt they'll head up easily soon again. I might be wrong, of course, but with a downwards move of each about 4% in corn and wheat, almost 1.5% in soybeans, I can see some more downside in the books. I am of course hoping for an epic plunge like we've seen in June, but heck, wishful thinking and hope make a really bad investing strategy.

I'm planning to at least give the AGA play a few days if this keeps looking good, but the strained harvest and supply situation might put an early stop to that plan and throw me out of my rather tight stop loss. There's plenty of support ready for soybeans, corn and wheat; and I really dislike being stuck with sugar in the basket.

Still though, I wouldn't want to be long any of these agri plays right now. Not with the phantom dollar strength we got going right now. And there's also to consider that oil is starting to look due for a down move, which it'll characteristically do with amazing alacrity and vigor. That'll also put a dent in the ethanol value of corn, compounded by the fact that it was already starting to get too expensive to be used as a good cattle feeder, and we'll have a classic overshoot downwards that'll prove to be a nice buying point. I'm not sure about oil though. The plans to boycott Syria could turn out to become a bullish surprise and even though we've seen limited up movement lately, the fact that oil remained strong against dollar gains is promising, and more 'good' economic news might just offer enough fuel for a quick stab at 92.

Anyway, exciting stuff will happen.

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Oh, I don't know, Tally

but it sounds like corn is a huge short from the video: either no one will buy corn because of toxins, or we'll all die from eating it. In each case, demand should plummet...In the interim, I'll keep looking for a lower entry point...

GLTA

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Fleve

Good trade on shorting the grains. I've been reluctant to be long corn with harvest right around the corner. So there definitely could be more to the downsize, and I may change my entry points. Farmer selling may keep a lid on the corn market,  but users should be around to buy the breaks. I'm also looking for a break to buy the bean market as I feel this crop has deteriorated like corn and may be the surprise market. Check out JJG for beans, corn and wheat without the sugar.

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Could've gone better

It wasn't that great a trade, although I did get out with quite a bit of a profit before the market took off again. Technically it was a great opportunity. AGA is a crazy ETF and some people, for some reason, want to pay far too much for it. I actually saw it go for 15.90 this morning, wish I could've been the one selling that.

I'm quite amazed to find soybeans, wheat and corn to be this resilient. I expected some strength, but not this. With oil down, sugar and corn shouldn't have as much of a reason to go up this fast, its not as if ethanol is going to go up in value once crude goes down. Corn harvests seem to disappoint though. Still, if things go on like this next week, I'll buy AGA again. This wasn't enough to constitute a correction, and the grains desperately need one. There's some upside left, but that isn't enough for me to go long now.

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"No offense but let's keep

"No offense but let's keep this thread to the discussion of trading corn.  I believe there is another forum for these theories."

No offense taken. Know what you are trading when it comes to corn, or anything else when it comes down to it. This has nothing to do with your perceived "theories" it's FACT!

And FACTS will influence the price of Corn or any other grain. As more and more intelligent people become aware of the dangers of American grown corn, what do you suppose will happen to it's price? Time pull you head out of the sand and to get on board td. You could make a lot of money when the time comes. It's called "insider information". It's how that works when people are willing to accept the real over the unreal.

thanks for the freedom to express my thoughts, Turd.

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From my feet on the ground....

Corn yields were expected to be down, but actual early harvest results are even more disappointing. Lots of reports of poor test weights (=lower yields and lower quality).

The heat of the last three days has brought the beans to the tipping point. If rains are not received really soon, yields are going to be way below trendline. Conversely, nice soaking rains within the next week will produce a good crop, as we are podded well.

I still maintain that supply and demand are only 50% responsible for price movement. The other 50% is geopolitics, Fed action/inaction, and the ever-changing attitudes between fiat paper and physicals.

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Corn is finally selling of a

Corn is finally selling off a bit here. 

Any targets on the downside for some nibble points?

I've got many stink bids just above 7 bucks but may dip my toe back in the water sooner to start getting a position built back up. 

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Not trading this week but been watching the corn and beans. USDA crop report Monday, so market probably doesn't move much tomorrow. Corn looks to be in a trading range from 7.25 to 7.75. I am considering having nibble bids in at 7.25, 7.20, 7.15.

I also have a feeling this bean market could be the bullish surprise. Risk/reward better than corn now? USDA may acknowledge the deterioration of the US bean crop Monday. I missed the 14.10 trade earlier this week, that was a buying opportunity IMO. I will have orders in to by beans 14.10 to 13.95.

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