Still Waiting
To help keep you awake, I was able to find a few things for you to look at.
If looking for an insomnia cure, you're not going to find it in these charts. The only one worth noting is the crude chart where dips to $95 are being bought and the situation in Syria is looking increasingly tenuous.




Just a few minutes ago, ZH linked an article that discusses "the gold standard debate" in some very nice detail. You should take the time to read it: http://www.acting-man.com/?p=19285
I was/am perplexed by the latest open interest data. I summarized my confusion with this comment from the previous thread, copied below for your convenience:
Submitted by Turd Ferguson on August 29, 2012 - 1:30pm.
MODERATOR
Totally F'd up OI
Seriously. Makes absolutely no sense.
Yesterday, gold fell $6. Total gold OI was UP 10000 contracts with 6000 being added to the Oct12. The Oct12 is a very light delivery month and it expires in four weeks. Regardless, Oct12 OI rose from 28,215 to 34,503. I've been tracking the Oct12 OI since 8/1 and it has never been over 30,000 and yesterday it surges to 34,503?!? Additionally, total gold OI has now risen by over 41,000 contracts (10%+) in just the past seven sessions and is now at its highest level since 7/19.
For the CoT week, the price of gold rose by $27 and the total gold OI rose by 28,000 contracts.
And get this for silver: Total silver OI fell by 5,300 as most exiting the Sep12 did not immediately roll to the Dec12. OK, fine. Whatever. But while gold OI is surging, silver is falling. In fact, yesterday's OI is the lowest it has been since the end of July and, over the same seven sessions where gold OI has risen by 41,000 contracts, silver OI has fallen 4,000.
For the CoT week, the price of silver rose by $1.45 and the total silver OI fell by 6,000 contracts.
And our pal, The Golden Jackass, has just released his latest public commentary. Below is a link to the full text and a few choice excerpts. Jim and I hope to record another podcast soon so I thought you might like to get caught up with all the latest jackassedness.
http://news.goldseek.com/GoldenJackass/1346270400.php
The insider conversation, often called chatter when it becomes deafening in tone, is that Morgan Stanley faces imminent failure and ruin. Almost two weeks ago, the Jackass provided a tip to Bill Murphy of GATA to post on his popular LeMetropole Cafe that Morgan Stanley fund managers and high ranking employees were preparing for the firm's implosion. A subscriber to the Hat Trick Letter has a good friend whose father works as a fund manager and provided the story. It was not detailed, and bore no follow-up after my request. The older employees are selling all of their stock, some legacy stock from one or two decades ago. Many workers are making contingency plans for their next positions in another firm. When Lehman Brothers was killed, thousands of employees had to find new jobs, some without success. In the last week, the shock waves are being heard from internal Wall Street sources in an unequivocal manner. The implosion is in progress, like the collapse of several platforms and structural cables. The inside is caving in, and the ranking members recognize it, even talk about it openly. Much discussion swirls about a transition to antiquated software that is greatly disturbing the trading desks, causing tremendous problems at precisely the wrong time. A redux of the Knight disaster could be in progress. The part that many analysts might miss is that Morgan Stanley has perhaps over 300 thousand private stock brokerage accounts, with over 17,500 brokers. In the past two decades, MS merged with Dean Witter and Smith Barney to become the premier stock house with the most private accounts of any US-based stock brokerage firm. The Morgan Stanley failure might feature the first theft of private stock accounts. The critical jump might occur in account thefts from futures brokerage to stock brokerage, which began in November 2011 with MFGlobal, then appeared in July with Peregrine Financial Group (PFG-Best). All private accounts from MFG and PFG have been pilfered, with a blessing of the theft by the courts, seen in the Sentinel Mgmt Group ruling. The federal Appellate court's August ruling sets precedent for future private segregated account thefts, which were once considered sacred and untouchable. No more in the United States, not in the unfolding of criminality that stretches from USGovt offices to top corporate offices, with blessings sprinkled by the courts. The jump would be a major extension of the Fascist Business Model that nobody talks about. The major financial firms can rely upon this appellate court ruling as precedent, so as to protect their legal right to re-hypothecate client funds in their high risk leveraged positions and loans. It sure would be nice to use my neighbor's house and car to firm up my casino weekends. Stay tuned to the ongoing Morgan Stanley implosion, which could force the vanishing act of 50 to 100 thousand private stock accounts. The firm is the largest stock brokerage firm in the land. The dreadful impact will be nasty and might awaken the US masses. MFGlobal and PFG-Best surely did not.
AND
A strongly held Jackass belief goes contrary to many simplistic viewpoints by some smart people within the gold camp. My source has taught me well, but my comprehension is surely lacking in spots. Let it be known that many smart people do not comprehend this phenomenon. A few key colleagues have stated that the big Western banks could be fixed overnight by grand cash dispensation on a grand scale from the Printing Pre$$ by the USFed and Euro Central Bank. Not so, emphatically not so! The big broken banks of the US, London, and Europe cannot be fixed by printed money. They have vast and complex broken paper asset structural problems that cannot be repaired. It is like a poorly designed car with badly calibrated cylinder strokes, misaligned transmission drive shaft, an inadequate cooling system, and poorly designed torsion bars going into the shop. The best mechanics could not repair it, as they would suggest scrapping the entire mess. Such are the big banks. They possess wrong sided positions that have started a chain reaction of disasters. Their positions constantly trigger margin calls. Cash cannot fix their predicaments. Their margin credit extension is abnormal, outside the usual channels. They are stuck, unable to comply with arranged contracts from years ago under different rules. Their lattice work is broken and not repairable, not with cash.
The Eastern Coalition is busily applying the screws, confronting the deeply decayed margin inadequacy, and forcing relinquishment of gold bullion. The loss of gold loudly signifies that gold is money, and cash is not. The big banks have broken pieces that invite opponent attacks, like the JPMorgan position with sovereign bonds and their complex USTBond structure defending the artificial 0% rate by the Interest Rate Swaps. The big banks also have major unresolvable problems with allocated gold taken, that the owners want back, including extremely powerful people.
Put the two extreme extraordinary problems together and one can conclude that gold from Allocated Accounts was improperly used as collateral on leveraged trades gone bad!! They face margin calls that are satisfied only by relinquishment of gold bullion. The smoking gun will slowly come into view to launch a new banker scandal. The scandal over Allocated Gold accounts will eclipse the MFGlobal case, and lead to the Gold price rising over $5000 per ounce. Over 40 thousand metric tons of gold have been improperly used, much in this manner, laced throughout the banking structures. No hyperbole here.
Printed money cannot and will not fix any of such problems. The big banks are ruined and realize finally they are lined up for a slaughterhouse. Their only remaining option is to cut deals with the new masters and their sheriff. In time they will not be able to locate sufficient volumes of gold bullion to make the margin calls go away. Since February 29th, they have forfeited over 6000 metric tons of gold. Eventually they will run out of gold from Swiss castles and Roman catacombs. Then the game is over and a new dangerous chapter begins.
AND
Gold & Silver are awakening from a deep sleep after a year-long price consolidation. While the physical story leans toward growing demand and declining supply, all bullish for the precious metals prices, the paper story continues to reek of strongarms, naked shorting, propaganda, and other devious devices. Prepare for a grand divergence between the physical and paper Gold price, as described and warned in this newsletter for many months. Rumblings continue about JPMorgan being in far more trouble than simply CFTC position limits. They struggle under the gradual breakdown of their derivative machinery that extends far beyond the USTreasury Bond complex, to the currencies and gold market. Renewed hope from August has come for a resurgent price as seasonal factors join with other conditions whereby the bank cartel has weaker hands. Recall the gold cartel has been forced to relinquish over 6000 metric tons in the last six months. The real battleground is with the Gold price in Euro terms, which is pushing for a breakout. That makes sense, since the obvious breakdown is of the European sovereign bonds, the Euro currency, the European big banks, and the Euro Central Bank monetary policy. Notice how the Crude Oil price reveals significant hedging against the USDollar, stubbornly near the $100 per barrel mark despite a fierce global recession. The high cost structure will be maintained, with little relief from relaxation. Recovery will remain an illusion. The Eastern Coalition has not gone away. They still pursue Gold. Perhaps their agents in acquisition are on European holiday. Soon it is back to the desks at work. Expect a price move toward $1800 very soon. Expect a Silver price move also, as it more clearly has broken out from the year-long consolidation, back over $30/oz. Moves in the two metals could come fast and furious. The Eastern world has consistently been big buyers, but now the Western world is seeking safe haven from the ruin in banks and bonds.
http://www.goldenjackass.com/subscribe.html
Have a great evening and overnight.
TF
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Comments
Mad Max world
Roark, I don't think we are talking about the same thing, but OK.
To the readership in general: this notion that a PM moon-shot will precipitate a Mad Max world, is backed up by what? Don't be unnecessarily pessimistic.
Rather than Mad Max, is not the opposite true? That a revaluation of gold could negate the US debt? That honesty would re-enter the system, and help flush out the fraudsters at the Fed and other CB's? That FOFOA's Freegold may become a possibility?
Antal Fekete wrote that when gold stops bidding for dollars, that the dollar dies. Fair enough, but so long as gold continues to bid for dollars, does the price even matter?
Harvey's Up!
Today's Harvey notices the Indian politician who has placed 340 million very poor Indians at risk of starvation by stealing $14.5 bln in food. There is also a dramatic new movie trailer about silver manipulation, and a note on the CFTC swap definition. You can read the full Harvey account here:
http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/forum/4132/harvey-organ-should-be-interest...
DayStar
Oh C'Mon Folks!
Turd sez (among many earlier thangs): "I know exactly why I have been, and continue to be, forecasting an extreme price explosion."
It's language-guaranteed, therefore, that there is something out there -- something exact (not mushily potential) -- that Mayor Turd knows. He hasn't said what that thing is which he knows exactly (for any number of easily guessed-at reasons). But, when all is revealed, I predict Mayor Turd will be presented with irresistable temptations to howl NANNY NANNY BOO BOO at those who've been niggling from the rafters.
Meanwhile, with all this chatter about Morgan Stanley, I'm feeling way way happy that I fired the Morgan Stanley Smith Barney broker I inherited from Dear Old Dad when he departed for glory three years ago (I'm right behind you, Pa! Tell Mama I'm gonna catch up before much longer!). When he not only told me MSSB did NOT offer PM IRAs but discouraged me from looking for such an animal, I thought "Hmmmm. ...." Now I'm realizing tax-sheltered PM appreciation in a Bullion Vault IRA.
Time to pop more popcorn and watch the pretty candles on the Netdania 1-minute charts!
hunch
def.- a feeling or guess based on an intuition rather than on known facts.
I have a hunch TF's sources are valid and I trust TF.
I will act accordingly.
I choose to.
You, however may choose not to.
Your choice.
See how it works? It's called free will.
You can thank God for that, or not, Your choice.
Ciao
Turd Appreciation Thread
I am surprised and disappointed in some of the long time turdites who are suddenly demanding to know something that Turd has already said, repeatedly, that he has to keep in confidence.
If you are basing your investment decisions solely on an internet blog then you aren't exactly doing your own due diligence anyway. Also, how about a little appreciation for the man who created this community and provides us with this forum to discuss all things precious.
Slagging the host because he is not laying all his cards on the table at this time would seem to be in bad form.
Z
@Byz
You might be right. I guess I am just very broken when it comes to trusting anyone when it comes to money. Heck, I think even if someone like Ron Paul got in there and really kicked the bankers kiester hard that he would shortly be co-opted by TPTB. I just cant name a single ruler anywhere or at any time in history who was financially honest.
So perhaps the releveling of the financial playing field can be done painlessly. But my gut says differently. And there is no harm in being skeptical or prepared. :) I guess we will all have ringside seats for the Big Show shortly...
Fence
I'm on the fence watching and I've seen too many well thought out comments and idea's from many of you on both sides of the fence to solidly take a stance right now in this type of market environment.
I suggest we watch and see what happens just like we've been doing the whole time without any expectations one way or another. This type of market and the political/economic backdrop makes anything possible.
I hear ya, Roche.
"No good deed shall go unpunished."
It seems that some here don't like the fact that I keep my word to my friends.
It seems that some here only want to bitch and complain every chance they get.
It seems that some here demand disclosure, even though they should know better, based upon their profession and experience.
It seems that some here will never be happy, regardless of the information or the forum I provide for free.
It seems that some here only want to create division and discourse.
If it seems that I'm getting sick of it all, you're right. Some demand that I "put up or shut up". Fine. I hereby shut up. I will no longer mention anything "hot and explosive". I will no longer discuss the "historic" implications of what I know is coming. All of you dying for facts and proof can fend for yourselves. I have no further need to assist you.
If you wish, you can come back tomorrow. I'll still be here. Jaded and frustrated but still here. But I must say that, frankly, I would prefer that some of you NOT come back. I began this blog in an attempt to GIVE and we've established a community based on the premise of "giving more than you take". Some here, though, only TAKE. Let's hope that their frustration with me and my motives will lead them away, never to return.
Good night.
I think people are asking Turd the wrong question anyway...
If silver/metals explode soon(ish), don't any of you doubters wonder:
If it were overt QE, we'd probably know, but he has not said that...
Read between lines, position yourself, make your own decisions...
And now for something completely different...
Tune for Turd
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@Fortinbras
given the fanaticism with which PM prices are suppressed by the banksters that rule us, then $100 silver probably will coincide with some greater trauma, we all understand that link.
That is not the issue. the issue is that $100 silver would not be the actual cause, but rather just another symptom of systemic failure.
The cartel could on the other hand, choose to set the silver price free, which would demonstrate that it in no way would cause a societal decline. If something is about to force their hand, as Turd is intimating, then there is no need to run for the hills, just enjoy it.
Please let us not confuse cause and effect. We can have $100 silver without societal collapse.
Bad shit is heading our way that we need to prep for, and that message obviously holds true regardless the price of silver.
The funny part is that we
The funny part is that we will all find out, some with stack some without stack.
Some will laugh cause they AAPL some will cry with ASE
or
Some will smile with ASE and cry with AAPL
who knows......who the fuck cares anymore
You reached for the secret too soon, you cried for the moon
Shine on you crazy diamond
Benque: Thanks
Benque, thanks for your kind response. I really wanted to say "grow a pair" in my comments until I realized that would be pointless since I am female. I got my self-reliance from 33 years trading in the futures markets "school of hard knocks". I was probably the most undercapitalized person to ever open an account back then. It's a wonder I didn't just blow myself up, as they say, within a few months. I have done DD on the markets ever since then and after spending a fortune on a library of trading books realized there is no "holy grail" out there. I trade minimally now that segregated accounts are fair game.
It upsets me greatly that people come to Turd's site, a FREE site, and are so needy that they become disrespectful and demanding. I know that some have contributed to the site, as I do, on a monthly basis. I also subscribed to TTM for a year, even though I rarely listen to the podcasts. Paying for access to keep the site going is well worth the cost in my opinion.
To all the wienies
who wish that someone else would be responsible for their decisions....DYODD. Thanks Turd for being a great host.
I consider these childish
I consider these childish comments above very Bullish Silver.
Crack Up!
How incredibly ridiculous!
Only those who have never kept a secret cannot understand what keeping a secret might entail. It seems the impugning of Turd's willingness to maintain his integrity at any cost is an integrity indicator in itself.
A lot of people on this site have done a lot of favors and research to show the way for others, and to them, and especially Turd, I say thanks.
Some folks on this site have confused a free information resource, with the ability to coast and not do their own "Due Diligence" with some sort of ironclad guarantee. This site is not the end all know all super center.
If you aren't sure about what is going on in the world and how it affects your resources and investments then get off your ass and go get the rest of the information.
Don't come by here and bitch that your free lunch is getting stale.
Now that being said, go grab twenty bucks and go down to the local church, drop the money into a local food bank type program, or just in the offering box up front. Don't tell anyone what you have done. Keep the secret.
Or if you like, grab a hundred bucks and go down to the grocery store at the end of the month. Look for obviously stressed women, with children or evidence of children, who are picking up items and checking, double checking and then frowning while they remove one item for another more important staple. It should not take long to find the person.
Now make sure you cut them off at the check out line and when they are not looking, slip the cashier the money for that woman's groceries, or simply hand the money over as she is checking out.
Now don't tell anyone. And don't be a creep about it. The objective is to help someone with a family who could use the help. The object is to re-assert the brotherly nature of the American spirit, and not the paternalistic "it's someone else's job cause I am paying taxes" nature that big government brings out.
Kind of like Turd does around here.
Quitcherbitchin, and lookowtfertheotherguy once in a while.
Like my old 1st Sergeant used to say "You fuckin shitbags, your *&^%$#@!*&&^$%#^$&#^@%!&*@^#%$&#*!!*@&#!!!!!!!"
And he meant it too.
Some personal thoughts on the PM price
If the denominator is gold or silver and your numerator is a fiat currency (Euro, Yen, US Dollar), does it really matter if the price goes up or down by 20% instead of 2%?
The DJIA went from 1000 to 2000 in how long?
Was Dow 10,000 a moon shot for some of you?
Your $100,000 Schwab account looked good for a few years until 1999 right?
Did your opinion of yourself change after your pets.com investment or FB.com shares lost 50% in 90 days?
Does your personal opinion and "feeling" about yourself improve when "the market" validates your self-perception (take your pick, did you buy or sell that call?)?
I hope not.
If you're making personal decisions based upon your "feeling" tonight, stop. Money doesn't care how you feel. Neither does gold or silver.
So, if you choose to part company and sell your gold for paper, best wishes.
I hope you buy something else with that paper. Or, is it really that you are just getting more Bernanke bucks in your Fidelity account?
Some of the gentlemen here appear to be with Morgan Stanley. Sorry if your MS investment funds are tanking. It's neither your fault nor TF for reporting.
Lastly, do not apply the perspective of law or of lawyers to investment.
I am full of respect and admiration for some lawyers, but I often see attorneys and accountants who permit their occupation and their training confound their investment behavior. I certainly am liable to my scientific and engineering training to confound my investment behavior.
But, I also have some background with the MSM. It's why I'm so willing to dish the criticism and analysis on the MSM.
Traditional journalists would never divulge their sources.
Woodward and Bernstein never divulged who Deep Throat was, despite people wondering if he really existed, until well after the passing of the man. If memory serves, they only disclosed after he died.
The stuff on this blog, at times, exceeds the import of Deep Throat.
So, any party challenging any other to "put up or shut up" is on the wrong blog.
This is neither a subpoena nor a court hearing. It's a hearing in the town square and subject to freedom of speech. If you don't like the talk on this stump, Hyde Park is pretty big.
Can't Please all the People All the Time...
Now I see y Santa writes with such a broad stroke, lest a Man b nailed to the Cross for speaking in specifics and timeframes!
Don't let these nagging Pukes detract from what is a strong minded, well informed group here.
Hey, let's have a little overnight spike down in the PMs, If so, it will not go to waste!! Bring it Fuckers.
e-mail from Bix. And on and on it goes
Over the next 2 months EVERYTHING Ron Paul has warned us about will hit harder than anyone ever could have imagined. EVERYTHING! The Good Guys have control of the computer trading programs that will destroy it all. And I mean all of it...checking, savings, 401k, money markets - everything we know as electronic "assets" and electronic "debt" will be destroyed. The original Good Guys (Alan Greenspan, John Kemeny & Stephen Devaux) created these artificial market manipulation programs and now they will destroy it all....with one press of a key on the keyboard.
The chance for a peaceful transition has gone and now we do it the hard way.
THIS IS THE END GAME!
May the Road we choose be the Right Road.
Bix Weir
Gramp your dip comes
Gramp your dip comes Friday...
And furthermore
I stunned that, after all this time, you would treat me as some kind of glorified Wynter Benton. Thanks. Very much appreciated.
And to whoever it was that said "my reputation will be ruined" if resolution beyond my control fails to materialize before 9/21/12, I simply say this:
Why I am here...
I can only speak for myself, but I believe that if I am here playing the stacking game and hoping for big, quick profits, then I am here for the wrong reason or I am at the wrong place. I am here because I see no other place to go to offer at least a chance of preserving what little I've managed to set aside from the ravages of inflation or other evil government policies. When Turd tells me things are going up, I read that to mean that I should buy now rather than waiting to buy later, if I am able. I do not read him to mean that I should hock the car, the boat, and the house to go all in for a quick profit. My goal is to stack as long as I can and hope I never have to use it for anything except self gratification. I don't buy life insurance and hope for a quick death, nor do I stack and hope I have to use it soon.
Where's that Guy?
Many moons ago, there was a turdite, a 'great turdite'.
Daily, He would follow the blog and many, many times He got the coveted first.
His response, always the same.
A hearty," Thanks TF."
Thanks TF!
I miss that Guy.
He would post some good tid bits, but mostly He read, followed intently and pounced on Turd's daily musings with" Thanks TF".
I miss that Guy!
Thanks TF!
TRUST IN TURD
Thousand thanks To TURD!
You def can't please everyone that is for sure!
I am hoping the guy doesn't lose sleep tonight over some of your comments.
Bad Bob (Judge Roy Bean)
Turd should rebrand. During a bull market you can wear yellow hats and make fun and jokes. When the bear hits, its time to get serious and rethink your plan of attack. What day does Turd come on and tell you his sell target? Gold is just a trade.
Jager06
A thousand and one hat tips to you for pointing out that which we too often forget. When we meet our Maker the question to answer will not be "How big was your stack?" but "What have you done for the least of your brothers?"
Turd while I understand that
Turd while I understand that pisses you off, don't worry about it. Just typical internet BS that goes on at alot of forums in other areas like sports/politics etc. Its all very similar to what you are dealing with. Someone posts some inside info/rumor type stuff and constantly gets hounded on who the source is and when its going to happen. Even if what you say doesn't happen, why would someone lie about this? That would completely contradict everything this blog stands for.
Now will someone finally give me the rest of the strength I need to cash out my 401k/IRA's at Ed Jones. Its a nightly debate I have in my head and I'm paralyzed. Gut says do it, mind says taxes/don't do it. I do know that if O wins in NOV the very next day I'm cashing out.
@Turd
ladies.