Greetings From FreedomFest

Right, I'm sure it's "productivity" that killed the jobs.  Nevermind that more than half of jobs now are non productive (government jobs, and people employed to deal with people who have government jobs so the engine keeps turning).

If you did one single iota of research, you would see that your assertion is completely baseless.  Why?  Because different countries have differing rates of productivity!  But guess what?  Productivity is not directly correlated with employment levels!  If anything, it is NEGATIVELY correlated!  You have poor productivity in Africa and Latin America, and you also have really high unemployment.  You have medium-low productivity in Europe (ex Germany), and medium to high unemployment.  Etc etc.

Further, you fail to understand that a job is not the end all be all of civilization.  There are plenty of nations that have total employment even as they starve to death.  North Korea is a current example.  The Soviet Union and truly Communist China were two others.  Just "having a job" isn't what is important.  What is important is what we produce.  If we produce enough goods, there will be enough wealth in society that people can afford to be non productive.  We already see that with the number of non-productive people we have now.  You might as well take all those people "working" those government jobs and put them on welfare for the same amount as their salaries, and there would actually be a POSITIVE net effect on society, as they won't require a bunch of people working compliance anymore, and those people can be put to productive work.

And as to your "we need laws cause Bible" BS, well, that is BS.  If you want to get all scholarly, Cain didn't reasonably know what the effect of clubbing his brother over the head would be.  He didn't know about human anatomy.  All he knew was magic and angels floating around and scraping in the dirt because of his bitch mother.  Even if he did understand the concept of death, and understood that that concept applied to humans, he knew all about Heaven, having spoken with God personally.  Is it really a crime to send someone on an all expense paid vacation to live with the magic man in the sky who you talk with on a regular basis?

Now, if you want to talk about the REAL WORLD, then lets do that.  There is a concept called "natural law", which quite clearly includes a right to life.  If you murder my child, then I will come after you with a fury and vengeance unlike any you have ever witnessed.  That is, unless the "law" says I can't, in which case you have a 2/3rds likelihood of getting away with it.  Given false convictions, it is probably even worse odds than that.

Now you can argue for and against the existence of any and all laws imposed by government as much as you want, but that doesn't get us anything.  I know perfectly well that we aren't going to get an anarcho-capitalist society in my lifetime on Earth, and as such, all discussions of it are nothing but masturbation. 

However, we could and WOULD do much better if we had a system of laws which reflected natural law, and as such didn't interfere with commerce except to prosecute fraud, theft, assault (direct or indirect ie pollution, malpractice, etc), and murder.  If we must, then we can abandon the notion of freely chosen arbitrators to have civil suits go forward in government courts, if those courts would again but recognize the supremacy of natural law.  If we can't even go that far, then we could at least stop just ONE MORE stupid, intrusive law from being placed on the books, stop just ONE unconstitutional executive order, stop just ONE nonsensical defense of an unconstitutional law.  But we can't even do that, it seems.

My apologies to any swamp dwelling/alligator worshipping Turdites out there

Many hat tips.......Born on the Bayou

Okay so, what, by your logic, anyone who is a Christian should stop calling themselves Christian and start calling themselves MUSLIM ?   Otherwise they are not "servants of God?"

Get real,  did you stop to think for even an instant that Muslims even give a flying f#ck what Christians think about what others should call them ?

Or Jews, or Hindus, etc. ?

Just because Wikipedia defines something one way doesn't mean we should all just blindly agree.   In the vast scheme of things, it don't mean a thing what other people think of you or call you;  what matters is what your God and you think of you.

Give it a rest already.

Dagney, I think you are a warrior. And as an aside you are also my heroine.

These two guys have  great animation and could use a kickstart.

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You have been a member here for three whole weeks, you really feel qualified to judge how folks here, who have been through the pm wars for years, respond during a metals crisis? On what date in the last three weeks was Main so desperately in need of leadership that they needed Eric O to hold their hands (and he failed them, oh the horror!).   Because those of us who have been around a while take that type of market action in stride.  Hysterical accusations of "oh god, you shirked your duty to the community Eric" come off as, frankly, a bit unbalanced.

Really-  what the hell do you care if people blow off steam in a FRIVOLITY forum?  Why does it so anger you?  

and twists in hope of justice, something we can all pray for:

http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/

Tavakoli:  JPM's Risky Business

Nothing derails this board away from metals and prepping as does religion. 

Perhaps the professor who make the claim about Jesus needed to get published and gain some national notoriety either for a promotion to full prof or to keep a department chair off his arse. What better way?

We probably disagree on as much as we agree on, but one less rule and one less opportunity to take away from people is good with me. The thing about making law upon law is that someone is just trying to see how much we'll endure. And most of us sit our fat, lazy asses on the couch and just take it. I am certainly glad that guys named Washington, Jefferson, Paine, Adams, Franklin, and many others saw this differently. We need a few more of those men (and women) around today. Ron Paul is one who is trying to get things accomplished, and he isn't the only one. People like Turd, Max Keiser, and the Tylers are also trying to get people to wake up. They come from different parts of the political spectrum, but they all have this desire to incite people to think. This is what I like....

So I was trimming the hedges out in front of my house this morning trying to figure out why I have such a visceral distaste for collectivism when it hit me. I am Christian, and as such I am told to take care of my fellow men, to give them water when they are thirsty, to clothe them when naked, etc. And I do my best to hire people in the neighborhood who are down on their luck when I need some help with something. And when I look around a lot of people aren't doing this. When I've asked them why they don't help out the poor, the downtrodden, etc., I'm told it is because they pay taxes and the government does it. It takes away our humanity and our chance for charity when the socialist state provides for everything. Because sharing is a choice...socialism is forced at the barrel of a gun or the point of a bayonet. (Tell me that Hitler's National Socialism or Mao's Communism were not forced. In fact give me just one instance of where a LARGE SCALE socialistic system was voluntary.)

So, do we finally reach the point here? Is it that no large scale political system is very tenable because we're all jerks and bastards? Cain killed Abel when there was complete freedom, and Stalin killed millions in a repressive system. Personally I'd rather trust others as equals and choose when I want socialism/sharing with others instead of having one much larger entity tell me  how things must be distributed even if it makes no sense to anyone involved...

Please point out the errors of my ways. I've been known to be wrong many times. And I still would really love to have Turd's much more erudite musings on this issue. I mean he actually went to FreedmFest while I stayed in my office working on some research.

In April of '11 if someone had said metals will give up the gains stay stuck at lower levels for a whole year, many people would have rejoiced that they could cost average their stacks and actually afford twice as much AG.

For me, this isn't about getting rich any more. When metals take off again, I am afraid we are at the endgame. I don't really want to see this economy collapse so soon, or at all if there is a chance of weeding out the crooks. But then, when in human history have the psychopaths not weaseled and murdered their way back into power within two generations after getting pitched out?  Though I would enjoy a period of a peaceful, fair economy.

My wife and I bought 320 vegetable seed packets for a nickel each at a clearance sale this morning!  I suspect food will be a highly valuable commodity before the next president's term is up.

Preaching to the choir... sometimes they need it most.

Keep stacking and prepping.

I haven't posted for a while but just wanted to add my voice of support to your comments.  It seems to me Main St. has lost some of its former glory, with fewer valuable insights being shared and more venom being spewed than I can ever remember.   While I'm not suggesting this site has lost its value, I'm finding it less fulfilling to visit these days.  Whatever the case, I'm grateful for many contributors here that have opened my eyes to new concepts/possibilities (Turd, EO, Jack, Green Lantern, Pining, S Roche, Prize Fighter, Victor the Cleaner, Katie Rose, BP... just to name a few).   Best wishes all.

is it the most 'tolerant and loving' of huggybears that always want to run people off?

I hope everyone stays! And a few like senseosensei, rl999, realitybiter, and DT I'll mention by name since I've gotten the impression (it's impossible to tell with the vague, spineless statements about an imaginary secret society...childish posts about roaches and whores -wink, wink, know who I mean...huhuh...and then running off to say that no one you just (maybe-who knows?) insulted is worth your time to respond to.) that we've all been considered part of the 'cabal'.

Just stay. They'll get touchy about the hat tips...so what? It happened to a list of people who garnered too much support are now gone. I don't mean the mods, I mean the only real 'cabal' we have here...and yes I know I've now irrevocably 'run afoul' of our own PTB. I just wish that we still had the voices that have already been run off. I'm not sure, but I might've been part of the last 'cabal' who got run off. It doesn't matter. Stay and keep this great place alive!

http://arum-geld-gold.blogspot.com/2012/07/my-view-of-week-ahead.html