Turditulation
Hey, no one can accuse me of going down without a fight.
I know that there are people out there that think that all "paper" is going to zero. Maybe it is. What the heck do I know? However, can we all agree that, for gold and silver to go to zero, demand for the physical metal has to go to zero, as well? As gold drops through round-number levels, the price-to-zero argument implies that demand must also be dropping because, as well all learned in Econ 101, price is a simple function of supply vs demand. In the end for price to continue declining, demand must remain low or fall even further until it reaches a point where buyers outnumber sellers and price rebounds.
I mention this for two reasons:
- If you truly believe that gold is headed to 1400 or 1200 or 900, then you must also believe that there will not be much demand for physical metal at 1500 or 1300 or 1000. Only an absence of demand can drive price that low.
- If, instead, you believe that global demand for physical metal continues, regardless of price, then you must believe (as do I) that physical demand will, eventually, drive the paper price back higher.
There still seem to be quite a few folks who question and/or don't understand the "massive physical orders below $1600" stuff. Let me state this again for clarity: We're not talking about the Comex here. The "massive physical orders" are in London and are getting filled there, not New York. This is how it has always been and this is how it remains. That the price of paper gold in NY affects the purchase price of physical metal in London is the "futures tail wagging the spot dog" that Ned Naylor-Leyland described last summer.
And herein lies the conundrum for The Bullion Banking Cartel. On the Comex, new spec and managed money is emerging daily to short the gold and silver markets. This money is primarily run by HFT WOPRs which are keying off the lousy charts and other technicals. You must also remember that, post-MFG, there 's virtually no one left in the pit to take the other side of the trade so, when the self-fulfilling short algos pile in, the fall in paper price accelerates. Again, though, Econ 101 teaches us that a falling price almost always leads to greater demand and, in this case, it almost certainly is true.
So, paper price is being driven lower by the spec shorts in New York while Cartel metal inventories are being drained by physical orders in London.
If paper price continues lower, the physical depletion in London accelerates and never forget that every ounce taken out of "the system" decreases the "leveragability" of The Cartel by 100 ounces.
Not only MUST the Cartel adjust their net short position to stem the paper drop, the depletion in physical will greatly impact their ability to add shorts back in when the inevitable rebound occurs. What we are left with is this: The Cartels MUST continue to cover shorts and add longs here in order to halt the price trend which is undoubtedly draining their vaults. Additionally, I suspect that they are losing so much physical metal out the back door that their days of outright manipulation and control of price are ending.
And this short covering and long addition is EXACTLY what we are seeing in the CoT. The latest report, basis last Tuesday, was incredibly bullish and keep in mind...it was dated LAST TUESDAY! Since then, price has fallen another $40 in gold and $1.10 in silver (if you include this morning), so we can safely assume that the CoT structure has only improved. For perspective, consider these stats:
CoT Date Cartel gold net short ratio Cartel total gold longs EE silver net short ratio EE total silver longs
5/8/12 1.94:1 161,037 1.39:1 45,482
2/28/12 2.69:1 145,061 2.32:1 33,802
12/27/11 1.97:1 162,522 1.34:1 41,224
8/30/11 2.23:1 176476 2.41:1 31,944
4/5/11 2.64:1 157327 2.69:1 33,413
Frankly, there's so much information in the little table above that I don't know where to start. Let's simply point out this: For silver, since the EE peak and near signal failure of April 2011, the net short ratio has fallen from 2.69:1 to 1.39:1. This is remarkable and clearly indicative of the trend by the EE to exit their long-held net short position. Ultimately the question is, will they add shorts again on the next rebound, similar to the period of 12/27/11 to 2/28/12? Who knows but with ongoing investigations, lawsuits, trading losses and physical depletion, it would certainly seem to behoove JPM et al to NOT try it again.
Just a little more CoT perspective, from Unlce Ted. The cumulative gold net short position is just 151,400 contracts a/o last Tuesday. This is the lowest since early 2009 when gold was near $900. In silver, the EE net short position is just 17,900 contracts. The only time in the past decade when the EE net short position was at this bullish of an extreme was on the 12/27/11 reporting date noted above. A few more nuggets for Uncle Ted:
- In gold, the 4 main bullion banks covered 12,000 contracts last week alone and their net short position is now just barely above 100,000 contracts. This is the lowest it has been since 2007 and sub-$700 gold.
- Since the latest top on 2/28/12, the Cartel has bought back 100,000 net contracts or 10,000,000 ounces in notional terms. That's $16B in gold!!
- JPM's net silver short position is now around 12,000 contracts and likely lower, given the action of late last week. This means they've essentially cut their own net short position in half since late February.
- The EE having returned their net short position to 12/27 levels means that they sold the equivalent of 150,000,000 ounces on the way up between 12/27 and 2/28 and now they have bought back the entire 150,000,000 ounces on the way down.
So, anyway, what's the point? It's this: Yes, the "price" of gold and silver might go lower still. However, stable/increasing demand at these lower prices is serving to drain the vaults of The Cartels. They are rapidly covering shorts and adding longs in an attempt to stem this tide of declining price and inventory. Eventually, a massive short squeeze will happen. The bottom will be in and price will stabilize at a level higher than where we are currently. The key will then be: What happens next?
- The Cartels resume shorting into the rally and begin to rebuild a massive net short position.
- The Gold Cartel decreases or even abandons their price-capping efforts permanently. In silver, The EE may even go flat or net long. Ted's "raptors" are already net long 16,800 contracts, by the way.
From where will this bottom materialize. Of course, it's impossible to say for sure but I believe we are very, very close. In the end, though, it hardly matters. Just keep stacking. The next phase of this bull market in metal is going to be breathtaking. Be ready.


Have a great day! TF
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A song for anyone who...
...considers themselves a lucky man or woman. I do.
Appreciate all the little things in life you never give a second thought to.
pourty ---- You nailed it! And LCS update
You need to understand what "strong hands" really means.
I bought some 90% today at $20.30 times face. Some pretty nice Kennedy halves. Will buy that much again this week, just watching the prices. I pay bills, prep more every week and buy when I can. (Gotta keep buying)
I stopped buying on the way up at about $35. When it hit $35 on the way down I started buying again. I started at about $12 a couple/three years back and
HAVE NEVER SOLD !! Strong hands means holding until the top....or near until a move into productive assets after some reset. I'll probably hold some amount of ag/au my whole life. My bad, I did sell all my silver in 1981.
Checked at LCS today and they have had a banner business this last month, but especially this last week. Again, it is mostly silver.
Swifty
I bet I wake up again in the
I bet I wake up again in the AM and find once again gold -19.75$ Silver -.55 etc.....
nothing I can do about it~
The FUNDAMENTALS has not changed
The FUNDAMENTALS of the economy in the US and Europe has not changed.
I had no problem convincing myself to buy the physical gold at $1580 spot and physical silver at $28.8 spot over the weekend (even with minimal premium).
Europe will have to print for Greece. US will have to print before elections when we hit the debt ceiling again.
"WOLF"!!!!!
We've got to be close. Sheesh!
Have you seen the RSIs? Silver down for 11 of past 12 days. Holy moley! Tomorrow or Wednesday almost HAS to be some kind of short term bottom. 1550 and 28. Maybe a reach down to 1525 and 27. But that has to be it. Doesn't it???
By the way, I'm officially moving the sentiment component of the TITS indicator to a "1". That's as low as it can go. So, figuring the index we get:
(1 + 0.9) x 28 = 53.2 TITS
a new alltime low.
Keep your wits about you. Go back and re-read these, if necessary.
http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/blog/3771/latest-gold-and-silver-breakdown
http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/blog/3773/turd-backwardation
Let's see what tomorrow brings.
Anybody who bought over $40
Anybody who bought over $40 Silver, will never touch it again!
Meh. I bought when spot price was $49. I bought Fiji Taku. Bought from Dan at a nice place called Black Mountain Coins. A fellow Turdite recommended I check them out for the Taku. The premium on their Taku was a little less than the premium on regular Eagles or Maples through other online dealers, so I pulled the trigger. My invoice shows April 28, 2011 at 6:36 pm.
I also bought nearly a thousand ounces above $40.
I also bought thousands of ounces at $11.
I also bought thousands of...you get the idea.
Stack it up.
Catherine and William
My God! That's the ugliest coin I've ever seen.
Turd, that doesn't have to be
Turd, that doesn't have to be it. It will be done when they say it is done. Eurozone crap is bullish for POSX.
Maybe the bottom is coming up, but I still see sideways trading until formal QE announced. I mean, at this point, I wouldn't really get excited about a short squeeze rally from $28 to $31. I'd rather have the $28 to stack more until QE.
Don't anybody get confused. I'm bullish as ever. That's why I want low prices.
If I wasn't bullish, I'd want a short-term price bounce so I could make some money and run. But no, I'm holding this for the big one. I'm praying for some seriously cheap metals. Gold back below 1500 would blow my mind.
Just got this from Mike Krieger
Pretty interesting chart.
I hear ya, doc
But, at some point, the selling abates if for no other reason than those that are going to sell will have sold.
The "calvin" may just be a temporary reprieve but, shit, we could all sure use one right now.
dollar index?
Anyone have any thoughts/technical analysis of the dollar index chart? It's about where it was in late Dec.-11 when we had liquidity problems. The fed didn't allow the deflation to get too carried away then and they started talking dollar swaps and 0% intrest rates and we saw the dollar reverse as they corralled money back into the stock markets. Well now we again have a rising dollar is again telling us of liquidity problems, stocks indexes starting to look ugly. Then we have all stuff brewing with JPM - doesn't your gut just tell you they are about to bring the dollar back down and give the junkie system another shot of liquidity? Maybe not QE yet, but how much higher will they let the dollar go? We focus alot on the gold charts and prices, but we have to remember a cheap dollar is the policy driver.
The chart
I'd like to see the source for this chart Turd.
As for the question "WTF is This?"
The answer is clear: PEAK OIL.
I agree, we got to be close
But man it's been a painful ride. Almost no upwards price movements for the last month, just sideways plateaus and waterfalls.
We're at 28.05 right now. I'd put 20 to 1 odds we'll crack below 28 tonight by 4am. Hoping that we'll hit bottom tomorrow and guessing the low will be around 27.5. We'll know that things are changing if we get a small upwards move after that, that isn't immediately reversed the next day.
It's days like today...
that one can find solace in watching YouTube clips...
boating accident
i threw some fiat at the problem but canoe flipped on the way home
look at OIL, she is the queen
look at OIL, she is the queen of commodities
The USD is on a PCP high and they have a fresh bag of laced european Maui Wowi ~
Turd
Sorry i haven't gotten back sooner. Look your a nice guy but inadvertently you said some things that could mislead others. in the beginning of the year didn't you repeatedly say that Gold had gone up a certain percentage on average each year for the last 12 therefore not to worry since wherever it is now it will close up 20% for the year putting it at some number in the 2s, I don't remember?
And wasn't there a secure floor beneath 30 Silver and if it went below there one should be buying with both fists. I just remember the general tenor of the comments and I don't have time to go back and find them.
Marin Armstrong knows a thing or two. He would not attribute any of this price action to forensic stuff. He is merely saying with are in the 13th year of a big gold bull and its time for a corrective wave low. Could be down to 1310 he said on Sunday. Certainly he would not agree with speculation that the big banks are draining their gold to meet other requirements. They covet the Gold. They have deep pockets beyond imagination and they run the show. Stewart Thompson would agree. They are running the show. They covet the Gold. They are in the process of taking it from the gold community.
Any inference that JPM or the Cartel is on the verge of bankruptcy I thing is something we hear time and again but its just speculation and it very much underestimates the criminals who run Amerika, if people start thinking that these guys are on the ropes I think there are more lessons to be learned. Nobody wants to hear that but that is what I sense.
and regarding R. Ackerman. I have followed him closely over the last 3 months. He has calibrated this downturn very well. People criticize him because they don't understand the method he uses, this is all. I could go over his calls etc. but I don't want to get into that. I just wanted to say I give him and his system a good deal of healthy respect
Burn baby, burn...
Man, $15,040.00 for a CML Monster Box, and the price is STILL dropping as I write this. Bottom yet? I don't think so.
Unfortunately I missed the Dec 2011 down-swing (out of the country, no internet, don't even ask), so I never got to buy-in at a low. But tomorrow methinks its time to add a bit more ballast to my financial lifeboat.
Dr. Copper hits the fan
Look at the copper chart. Gravity is coming to the equity market so don't go too aggressive in the buying just yet.
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$COPPER&p=D&b=5&g=0&id=p90331488070
Today's rant
One of Andy's best:
Below is the chart guaranteeing the downfall of the U.S. dollar as "world's reserve currency," likely MUCH sooner than most expect. The rate of debt increase has gone exponential, and my contention is it will shortly go parabolic, the result of EXPLODING deficits and - QE notwithstanding - rising interest rates. No currency has EVER survived parabolic debt growth without being MASSIVELY REVALUED or HYPER-INFLATED - certainly not the world's reserve currency - and the dollar will be no exception.
Frankly, the only thing supporting the dollar's MASSIVELY overvalued status - and thus, above average American living standards - is the inertia of its universal usage, not much different than a bad marriage saddled with kids, a giant mortgage, and lack of professional mobility. Each day, the world's nations play a dangerous game of musical chairs, not wanting to set off the panic that will ultimately yield a self-defeating currency crisis, but making sure they stay as close as possible to the nearest chair. Nearly ALL nations hold the majority of their reserves in the "world's reserve currency," each watching the real-time progression of this chart with a terrified eye...
The point of this RANT is to ask the question some of you know, but most don't consider - who OWNS the debt?
U.S. Debt Clock
Traditionally, U.S. Treasuries were held by global retail, institutional, and sovereign entities - roughly half were via public entities, and half private. Treasuries have always been the most liquid fixed income market, until recently considered the ultimate SAFE HAVEN due to implicit backing by the "full faith and credit" of the U.S. government (for whatever that's worth).
Biggest Holders of US Government Debt
BY FAR, the largest public holders were the Chinese and Japanese governments, but that dynamic is rapidly changing. Many sovereign governments have becomenet sellers - mostly fearing dollar devaluation - most ominously China. Some - including Russia - appear bent on bringing their net holdings to ZERO, yielding the need for new buyers, which sadly, no longer exist.
China Brings US Treasury Holdings To One Year Low, Russia Cuts Treasury Exposure By 50% In One Year
This is why the Federal Reserve purchased 61% of ALL 2011 TREASURY ISSUANCE, funded solely by PRINTED MONEY. This is the definition of "debt monetization," or what the Fed euphemistically terms "Quantitative Easing." In fact, the 61% figure is grossly misleading, as the more important figure is the 90% of issuance purchased on the long-end of the yield curve - i.e., the mostspeculative type.
According to the Fed's other obfuscation - "Operation Twist" - it sells short-term Treasuries to buy longer term maturities, yielding the appearance of a cash neutral program. However, the Fed also operates in the short-term Treasury market via its daily "Open Market Operations" - administered by its New York branch - to adjust short-term interest rates. Given the Fed's current policy target is keeping short-term rates at ZERO until "at least late 2014," it is obviously monetizingENORMOUS amounts of short-term bonds as well. Of course, official government statistics don't refer to such purchases as "QE," just as it ARBITRARILY refers to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac's cumulative $5+ trillion of debt as "off balance sheet."
In other words, as we speak, the Fed is buying essentially ALL U.S. Treasury issuance with PRINTED MONEY!
WSJ: Fed Buying 61 Percent of US Debt
Which brings me back to the initial chart, depicting a nation on the verge ofparabolic - and likely hyperbolic - debt growth, at which point no amount of MONEY PRINTING, MARKET MANIPULATION, and PROPAGANDA can save it from certain FINANCIAL ARMAGEDDON. The $64,000 Question, of course, iswhen will this point be reached, which I anticipate in the next year. If you recall last summer's U.S. debt ceiling crisis - yielding S&P's downgrade of the U.S. credit rating - the debt ceiling was raised by $2.1 trillion, to the $16.4 trillion level we stand at today.
House Passes $2.1 Trillion U.S. Debt-Limit Increase; Senate to Vote Aug. 2
At the time, a "super committee" of 12 Congressman and Senators was formed to identify spending cuts (and/or tax increases) to offset the $2.1 trillion increase, which ultimately FAILED. IN fact, not only did it FAIL to agree on $2.1 trillion of spending cuts, it agreed on ZERO!
What's next after 'super committee' failure?
Thanks to the most coordinated strategy of MONEY PRINTING, MARKET MANIPULATION, and PROPAGANDA in global history - not to mention strong-arming ratings agencies like S&P...
S&P president to resign after downgrading the US
...and Egan-Jones...
SEC Emerges From Carbonite Deep Freeze, Sues Egan-Jones
...the U.S. government has managed to push this issue - and numerous others - to the back burner. In the meantime, national debt has surged from $14.2 trillion last summer to $15.7 trillion today, currently on track to breach the $16.4 trillion limit before the elections. You can bet "Tiny Tim" Geithner will pull a few accounting tricks - like "temporarily" commandeering pension funds - to push this date past the elections, but nevertheless, it will be a MAJOR campaign issue. And given that absolute debt levels are FAR HIGHER now, with the economy FAR WEAKER - essentially guaranteed to weaken further - it is difficult to believe a second, more lethal debt debacle will not ensue.
US Debt Ceiling D-Day: September 14, 2012
A year ago - before the Cartel VICIOUSLY attacked PMs hours after the Labor Day weekend - gold rose to an ALL-TIME HIGH of $1,920/oz, with silver near its own multi-decade high at $45/ounce. No matter how much MONEY PRINTING and MARKET MANIPULATION TPTB attempt demand for PHYSICAL gold and silver will continue to surge - particularly at today's ridiculously suppressed levels - and ultimately, PMs will re-assert their traditional relationship to potentiallyhyperbolic debt ceiling growth.
Gold vs. Debt Ceiling: What is the Correlation?
Time is running out, so PROTECT YOURSELF, and do it NOW!
The Meat Grinder
I checked all my physics books, there is no quantum effect that would reduce a Toz of metal to something less. Please excuse me, I gotta go boating...
weak shorts?
S Roche,
but each point is also equally true of weak shorts
The difference is that the gold market is that of a currency. What I called 'long' is someone who has an account balance but no cash (=physical). The other side of this position is a loan. For example, a mining company who borrowed ounces. For such a borrower, there is no point in paying back the loan early just because there is a price change. Similarly, a short position as a hedge by a miner in the futures market is equivalent to a spot transaction and a swap which involves borrowing unallocated from a bank. Such a borrower is again committed and will not close out early.
So here is the fact. Many longs are prone to closing the position when it gets rough, but this is not necessarily true for the majority of the borrowers (shorts). Again, no short squeeze, precisely as in 2008.
No 'manipulation' is necessary for this type of market behaviour.
Victor
And what is your point?
Besides patronizing me with the "your<sic> a nice guy" bullshit?
"Sorry i haven't gotten back sooner. Look your a nice guy but inadvertently you said some things that could mislead others. in the beginning of the year didn't you repeatedly say that Gold had gone up a certain percentage on average each year for the last 12 therefore not to worry since wherever it is now it will close up 20% for the year putting it at some number in the 2s, I don't remember?
And wasn't there a secure floor beneath 30 Silver and if it went below there one should be buying with both fists. I just remember the general tenor of the comments and I don't have time to go back and find them."
What, exactly, is inadvertently misleading about pointing out the math of the 10-year bull market? Also, looking at the calendar I see that it's May 14. Hmmm. Still LOTS of time to get gold a "2" handle.
And let's see, silver has now traded down 11 out of 12 days and has been under $30 for about 5 of them. BFD. It's not like it's at 15. It's 28! Yes, everyday folks should be buying silver with both hands to protect themselves against the impending disaster. They should have bought some today and they should buy some tomorrow. Might their "investment" decline in fiat-conversion value initially? Of course it can but who cares? I'm 100% confident. The math and the laws of economics support my confidence.
Anyway, I'm finished responding to this, SW. I've given you a website to hang out at. I paid to build it and I pay for the servers and the ongoing maintenance. I'm glad you enjoy it. You're free to criticize. God knows I deserve it sometimes. It's the patronizing, Turd-is-a dumbass stuff that pisses me off. Give me a break.
Good night.
Interesting date confluence
Sharma will formally step-down effective September 12, 2012... just two days before the US Debt Ceiling gets punched. Interesting.
I've got patience, but...
July $30 calls are looking mighty attractive right now.
I don't think anyone with any
I don't think anyone with any credibility thinks you are a dumbass, Turd. Incorrect on some points, perhaps, but the overarching theme of this website is certainly correct. It seems to me that in searching for things to talk about regarding PMs, you get caught up in the minutia, and wind up playing the Cartel's game rather than your own. This is apparent in your recent (at least seemingly) desperate attempts to call a bottom. You discount the possibility that there won't be a bottom here, even though your own analysis shows that to be a real possibility.
I would encourage you, and anyone reading this to take some time to read through LessWrong's sequences on Rationalism (http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/How_to_Actually_Change_Your_Mind), which will help you to organize your thoughts and the data we find in front of us, and hopefully help you to keep track of the big picture, which I think you see quite well, but lose track of when looking for things to talk about each day. It will also help you to identify bias in yourself and others, and help you to account for that.
Honestly, I could never do what you do. Any blog I made would be super boring, basically me repeating the exact same thing over and over. You keep things interesting and involved, which builds community, and helps to lead people to the truth, where simple repetition of the big picture would cause them to leave and then they wind up forgetting what they have learned.
@ Victor plus a bonus question!
The two examples you give in support of your theory are both miners...selling forward or legitimately hedging. Are you seriously suggesting these are the participants who drive the short term price? Anyway, we differ, that is what makes a market.
What I have been meaning to ask you for a long time is for your opinion of Nigel Farage?
Good 'ol Santa...
...tending the flock. Good advice.
Your Greatest Enemy Is Your Emotions
by Jim Sinclair in the category General Editorial |
My Dear Extended Family,
Your greatest enemy now is your emotions. In fact it is the only tool that can be used against you.
If you have not taken margin your worst case scenario is the pain of quoting. I have suggested at various times since $248 gold that you dig a hole, jump in and pull a rock over your head. Each time I did I was derided thoroughly by the shorts. Each time I did the price of gold went significantly higher.
The price of gold is going much higher. The problems that give gold its reason to go higher are growing, not waning.
The entire thesis for gold is illustrated by the three Skiers posted on the weekend.
There is no political will for the results of an EU break up. There is no way the Fed is going austere as the austerity is exploding in the face of Europe politically.
There has been no decline in the amount of notional value of OTC derivatives outstanding. If you think Morgan is the only derivative problem out there you are quite wrong.
Stay the course, stop looking every few minutes, and quiet your emotions. Gold will trade at and above $2111 after this reaction is completed.
Respectfully,
Jim
@ SW (in Turd's defense)
Just a quick point in Turd's defense....
I have to say that your assertion of Turd misleading anybody, inadvertently or not, is a bit unfair. To anyone who may have felt misled, I think a quick glance to the disclaimer at the bottom of each page is in order. I have to hand it to Turd for even being willing to stick his neck out provide short-term forecasts. It's impossible to get them all right, whether it be Turd, Martin Armstrong, etc. This market is nothing short of roulette, in my mind. That notwithstanding, anyone not heeding the counsel of that disclaimer probably needs to learn a good lesson the hard way so they don't make that mistake a second time.
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