Fair and Balanced
I stumbled across this video today and thought it could serve as a basis for an interesting discussion.
Note that this presentation was made by a lady named Caroline, who is a self-described "federal government employee" and "member of the American Federation of Government Employees". Also note that, as I type this, it has a total of 80 views. (I hope that she has enabled Adsense as she is about to get a few hits!)
The first seven minutes or so are facts that we can all agree upon. The deficit is there and to cut it would require some significant changes to the federal structure. Then, at around the 7:00 mark, Caroline proposes her remedies. This is the crux of the matter and be sure to hear her out before you respond.
On one side of the argument, the deficit is not sustainable but government is vital, perhaps even too small, and it needs more funding through higher taxes. These extra taxes will close the deficit.
On the other side of the argument, the deficit is not sustainable and government spending needs to be trimmed and restructured. This slowing of government growth and outright reduction in spending will close the deficit.
My questions to you are:
- How do we reconcile these two points of view?
- Is it possible to achieve the level of political cooperation needed to make it happen?
- Can we discuss this in a civil manner here on TFMR? If not, how can we expect the politicians to do any better?
- Bonus question: What is my point in starting this discussion?
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Comments
We need to raise taxes
Of course we need to raise taxes. We need to stop giving rich people tax breaks and make them share the wealth. This is the only reasonable thing to do. America was a great country when we shared the wealth with strong progressive taxes.
That said, it won't change the fact that we are at Peak Oil and that falling EROI is here as well.
Another way to explain it : we need to raise taxes to share the pie, but the pie is getting smaller each year because we won't have enough cheap oil to keep baking it.
Raise taxes?
Haven't read the other comments yet but heres my thoughts. Just finished watching that video. During the part where she cut all the government agencies I could feel a sense of freeeedom washing over me as each one dissapeared. Imagine cutting away the CIA, FEMA, Defence., .... ahhhh. Imagine all that misspent wealth floating around a productive unmanipulated economy. I feel like crying, then she ruined it by talking about how the governemnt is not too big it is too little!!!!!!! These Keynsian ideas seriously need to be thrown out. Come on the emporer has no clothes anyone can see the central bankers are the cause.
She didn't seem to talk about the end of the dollar as a global reserve. Or other problems inherent in the monetary system.
The ONLY way the budget will ever balance is when the quantity of money supply cannot be adjusted by bankers (or anyone else).
End the Fed.
In the spirit of the Kentucky Derby..
and Pining 4 the Fjords leaping past Be Prepared with an outstanding post currently at 67 hat tips, SRSrocco next in sight.
Does Pining 4 the Fjords have it in him for another 60 bagger. . .does SRSrocco have some tricks up his sleeve....
Btw - producing at home is fantastic, to grow something with your bare hands, spend time with family, to make and produce something yourself, to not have to "earn" $1, but only be able to spend $0.65 of it. It's an amazing feeling. Good for the sole, good for family, good for environment, good for your health.
edit: pulling up the rear of leaders are I Run Bartertown and Green Lantern by a hair . . .
Bonus Question
Not only did I destroy a perfectly good mouse watching that video, I scared the crap out of my dogs yelling at my monitor.
It's nice knowing after all the cutting, we'll still have 97% of Tim Geithner left. The country wouldn't be totally lost in her doomsday, government gutting scenario. Whew.
I'm guessing you posted that because you just bought a crate of rifles and want to unload them super-quick.
If things ever go Revolutionary style and Turd becomes our personal Paul Revere, I suggest showing this video to rally the troops.
Strategy for more QE
Just thinking out loud here; but it occurs to me that all of these TBTF banks have all kinds of skeletons in their closet and when the need for more QE comes out they just pull one out to crash the market down.
As many have pointed out, QE is not about the economy or pumping the stock market but about funding the small, protective, here to help government we have, and they can't get the funding AND keep interest rates down with out Benny running the ink jets. If the economy improves or the stock market rises well that's just icing on the cake.
Waiting for the economy to roll over and/or Europe to implode is going to take too long, so roll out a catalyst to crash the market and give the FED cover to roll out QE infinity. JPM will have unlimited back stopping by the FED should they need it.
June announcement for QE just got real.
I am just going straight to the bonus question...
No matter which way we go, we are porked. Can you say Kobayashi Maru. Unless you cheat the system, just keep stacking.
Answer to the Bonus Question
we are screwed
JPs loss today...
Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of sociopaths :)
That being said, we've gotta hope that this little 2 billion loss is just the beginning or this is an unimportant blip. Jamie pays more than that for executive toilet seats.
If I were at that presentation
Caroline: blah, blah, blah
Me: Shut Up lady, if I wanted to hear an asshole talk, I would have farted.
Caroline
"The suicide note also mentions, several times, Stack's having issues with taxes, debt, and the IRS and his having a long-running feud with the organization.[33] While the IRS also has a larger regional office in Austin, the field office located in Echelon I performed tax audits, seizures, investigations and collections.[33]
The suicide note ended with:[31]
The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.
Joe Stack (1956-2010)
02/18/2010
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In an interview with ABC's Good Morning America, Joe Stack's adult daughter, Samantha Bell, who now lives in Norway, stated that she considered her father to be a hero, because she felt that now people might listen. While she does not agree with his specific actions involving the plane crash, she does agree with his actions about speaking out against "injustice" and "the government."[
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Austin_plane_crash
I summon the ghost of Joe Stack to haunt you
. OK, I can't do that, but we used to have a voodoo priestess here...
Luv it
http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_12/lepard050712.html
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Dear Mr. Munger:
Recently, you rather arrogantly claimed that civilized people don't buy gold. I am not sure how you define civilized, but the comment struck me as odd since I thought you were a profit maximizing capitalist. You further said that gold does not compare in investment quality to operating businesses. Is this statement just an example of you talking your own book? Or, are you intentionally trying to mislead people? The reason I ask is that I bought gold in 2003 at $320 per ounce. Today it trades at $1,640 per ounce, or 5.1 times my cost basis. This investment has given me a compound annual return of 19.91% over a 9 year time frame. Frankly, I think you would be hard pressed to find another investment which has done so well in this timeframe. Of course, I could have done what you suggested and bought operating businesses. Let's look at how I would have done if I had purchased the DOW, the S&P500 or your stock, Berkshire Hathaway.
Wait a minute. You mean to tell me that over the last nine years the performance of those investors who invested in gold absolutely crushed the returns of stock investors? Yet gold investors are uncivilized? What is up with that? Are you crying foul because you are losing? Sounds like sour grapes to me.
When I saw your comment, two home-spun phrases, that I picked up as a youth in the Midwest, popped into my mind:
As a wealthy member of our society you can do as you please. But as a Director of a large public company it strikes me that you have an obligation to speak the truth. I have followed you and your partner, Warren, over the years and I know of your antagonism toward sound money and the gold standard. Such a position is not a surprise since your considerable fortunes have been amassed by gaming the fiat money system. Without bailouts of some of your largest portfolio companies Berkshire Hathaway's stock would be worth much less. Or, perhaps, even worthless. Frankly, those of us who have labored honestly in this capitalist system are fed up and disgusted with "crony capitalists" like you and your partner. Sure the system works for you. Let's see how you do in a sound money system. Perhaps that is why you are so hostile to the concept?
Respectfully
Lawrence W. Lepard"
The whole shootin' match is going up.
I'll simply repeat my last comment -
JPM
Nothing to see here, move along. Fed will cover any losses, as many have said/posted. My .02 - this is bad, as everything else has been bad, for metals. But I do have a question. If these dumfucks can't manage their own prop desk, with every possible insider advantage, how in the fuck can they keep silver going down for 10 of the past 11 weeks?
I just find it interesting that they can flawlessly manipulate metals, for weeks on end, and yet this major screwup once again proves they are imbeciles. Maybe Jamie will put Blythe in charge of the prop desk? Or, alternatively, is managing gold and silver just easier than most would think?
Our one hope, IMO, is that they need to start "de-hedging" and hence start covering. Now THAT would be a rally to behold. But WTFDIK.
AAAAARRRRggg!
Here's where I am on this...12 minutes into this I am convinced that we couldn't exist without our government...NOT!
She misses something on the math...the population increased but the revenues did not. Why is this? Do we need more government just because we need more people? Is it the job for the government to provide some of the "services" that they do? Is it the government's job to provided (or make sure I've provided) for my retirement?
I've got to stop now before my head explodes and have another beer.
We are F'n doomed as a country. Greece, here we come!
Who knows. Maybe JPM shorted
Who knows. Maybe JPM shorted their own stock. Wouldn't surprise me.
Creepy
The Federal .gov is Caroline's 'other parents'?:
and they have a bunch of new IRS Revenuers:
To make people 'pay for their fair share' of the Magical Garden:
JP global
Can JPM go the way of MF Global, and if it can then is tonight the end of the world as we know it?
@Groaner .... RE:- $1693 ???
3 times now gold trying to break 1693.5
Bobbejaan replied (jestingly) :-
$1693.5 ???? .... Aren't you already happy enough with it jumping up $100 from the $1590's ?

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It looks like you aren't the ONLY one having sexual fantasies about a $1690+ gold price in the last couple of days .... Check out the first line of :-
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Gold closed up today up by $1.40 to close the comex session at $1695.10
http://harveyorgan.blogspot.co.uk/
At least your daydream wishes are keeping good company, mon ami !

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NB ... I WAS trying to email/message him to let him know so he could fix his typo (as the Anti-Gold brigade seems to love jumping on this sort of simple-typo as a means of dis-info or "exaggeration claims" against Pro-Golders), but I can't see any contact address on his page .... So IF anyone here can message him to correct it, I'd be grateful.
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PS ... Reposted from end of last thread .... Sorry, guys. I didn't realise there was yet another new thread.
Oh my - what a good idea Turd.
Man this thing is complicated.....
What went wrong, I guess is the question.
All money is debt. #1 - More labour is siphoned off each and every year to give to folk who create no wealth.
Regulations are way too much #2 - Property law and a few more and that ought to be the lot.
Big corporoations (take Monsanato) they care nothing of poisoning folk for profit. This has real costs down the road. Externalities.
The medicated state. They discover a drug and then invent an illness to market it with.
Sense of entitlement for many. Some have forgotten what real hard work is. Everyone wants to be a manager. The real work hunger is gone. Apathy rules - Galt - pining et al. Compare the east and their work ethic.
Education and educated idiots. Spending their lives plugged into bollocks. Mindless brainwashing none product nonesense. Buying shit that serves no purpose.
Too many State/Gov employees. They do not pay tax you see. No - Gov gives more then takes some back. They might as well have given them the right amount to start with.
Scrap min wage.
Reduce the massive ATTACK budget.
Invest in public transport - massive public transport. The amount of WASTE of 30000 trucks and cars going down the same freeway every day every night for hour after hour. 1000's and 1000"s of gallons burnt per hour.
Efficiency - stop borrowing to buy shit you dont need. Stop watching mindless TV. Educate properly. Remove nearly all regulations. Make it easy to hire folk. Or milk your own bloody cow without having and inspector shoot it (and you).
Go back on a Gold standard. Stop immigration unless an individual add a lot to GDP. Stop suing folk for giving you a hot coffee.
And for Gods sake get that constitution back - indeed put Ron Paul in (yes it will be tough at first).
End the fed. Stop funding education by giving gov student loans. If the students are a good fiscal investment then they ought to be able to convince banks to loan to them. In other words - get government out of the way and give the market a chance. P Schiff style.
Also ----Only half the family worked in 1960. Now twice as many do. Kids no longer get quality time etc. Debt was very very small in 1960 and folk saved and paid for stuff. I for one have only ever borrowed money to buy property. I have never carried a balance over on a credit card. Even though I used to earn good money. I have never owned a new car.
Oh yes - bring back the rule of law - without that there is no hope.
Crash JPM buy Silver.
Rant over.
Bugzy.
The guy is a plant.
The guy is a plant.
Stock market tomorrow
Futures starting to show a little downdraft. No problem. The PPT monkeys have been getting a workout lately, but so far, it's just been practice. Let's see if they can handle some heavy lifting.
If JPM's prop desk losses have anything to do with PMs, the B-cup Dominatrix is going to be one hell of a cranky-pants. Somehow, I have this feeling (hope; dream) that her little promo on CNBS a month ago plays into this mess. I'm just not a big fan of coincidence.
Machinary of freedom
Instead of big government. How about no government?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jTYkdEU_B4o
Not looking real confident is he?
Todays news is out of the blue and hasn't even begun to resonate yet.
Prince Charles as Weatherman
Maybe the blood sucking Royals are preemptively showing they are in touch with the tax slaves!
"Look, we are not ammune to working like the commoners!"
Maybe the first of many stunts to protect their heads?
Next, we will hear of more oligarchical supported charities, like maybe a Soros anti starvation fund(as he buys up grainaries around the World to corner food supply).
I would bet my left nut (and I rather like Mr. Left) that this is only the beginning for Royalty and Oligarchs attempting to placate the masses by appearing to surrender some of their stolen wealth!
He'll be up for promotion to
He'll be up for promotion to treasury sec. Before Jan 2013.
My two cents
They are not reconcilable because of the existence of paper money, which guarantees growth of government due to the fact that there is no limit on spending. Except for extremely rare occasions in world history, balancing the budget under any discussion where paper money is involved is about as likely as monkeys flying in from Madagascar.
No, it is impossible because there is no limit on spending. We haven't even had a budget for 3 years, yet they spend all the more. A balanced budget is a farce because they don't even need a budget anymore.
Yes, agreed.
There are 599 failed currencies in the history of the world. This one will be no different. The decision to protect yourself now is a no-brainer. What has worked in the past?
dollar index up, 80.30
Metals down. Hulk Smash!
Inside JPMorgan's Boardroom Tomorrow
damn
lookout below
this tish is getting real, real quick
somebody has chained cinder blocks to the metals' feet and tossed em in the East River
man this beat down
stuff is getting old. hope this gets better soon.