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this chart in GDX is ugly.

It easily craters to 08' levels if what happens in Europe with Spain or whatever does come to pass. It will be woodshedded. It will be Silence of the Lambs all over again.

just the mere fact that Goldbuggers denied that could ever happen again is seriously bearish. Meanwhile J. Hathaway, ancient cheerleader in pleated purple skirts and matching blouse has been called into the Principal's office and advised to switch over his wardrobe to pants. The varicose veins are too hideous to behold and attendance on Friday nites has been down as a result.

J. Sinclair last seen pulling a Floyd Patterson and stealing out of Connecticut on the Greyhound overrnight line, suitcase stuffed with fresh cash and mind already playing the tables in Vegas, his primary destination. He has donned a disguise with heavy Egyptian pancake base, a crude and villainous looking goatee and some dark lavender- tinted Elvis wrap arounds.

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Granny update

Sold LNG into bounce. Only thing I am trading in a decided uptrend these days.

ES unfortunately measures to 1328. It took out its midpt at 1358 area easily which portends more selling for another 30 pts. This would be the 2nd leg down that will be Bernank's limp hindfoot lifted to urinate further on Markets come Wednesday. He is always reliable for it.

Miners will follow ES down. Will look for good DUST entry pts and only very short term trade for bounces in this junk. Buying falling pianos is not my thing in this sector. Used to be BTFD now its Dodge Falling Pianos or DFP trade.

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KWN metals investing

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Check out TEF.  Same price

Check out TEF.  Same price today as 2003, well below '08/09 panic, end-of-the-world lows.   Pays a 11-12% dividend.  Most of the biz is South American.  Generational low.

Bought another huge chunk today, building giant position (also long-dated calls, which are now being given away with every Tupperware purchase).

Europe (bigger economy than the U.S) cannot even dream about letting Spain go--they will be rescued, by whatever means necessary (hint: ECB Ctrl P).

I expect a conservative 50% return in 12-18 mos.

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Grabbed the AGQ low right after the bell.    Will sell half today if decently green.

I would really like to understand your logic. Silver has been in a consolidation pattern for how long? This is the first morning we break lower out of the pattern. A descending triangle pattern is a high probability bearish pattern??? What is AGQ isnt green at the end of the day? Do you like losing money or do you have insider info? Rico, id love to know what you're seeing here also?

Spinny I think your analysis is sound.

I have traded this long enough to know that that kind of analysis works most of the time.

However it doesn't work all the time.

This is the lowest silver has been in months and I think it will move up again significantly in the next 2-3 days.  By that I mean to $31.40-50.   Silver is prone to big, sudden moves.  Could happen today, tomorrow or the next.  I want in now in case it is today.

I trade a leveraged fund but I trade with cash not leverage.

My posts here don't have much in the way of analysis.  I post to share what I am doing right now, and what I am thinking for a very short term horizon.

I think that if you wait you may very well be rewarded.    I think that I will be rewarded as well.  The news today will soon be forgotten and new news will take its place.

And if my trade is not green at the end of the day I'll probably hold it.  0-3 days is my horizon on this one.

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SUN shooting for the moon,

and taking DVN with it apparently. Thanks for the recommendation, atlee.

"Sunoco (SUN) confirms discussions with Carlyle Group about setting up a JV for its 330,000 bpd refinery in Philadelphia. SUN, which has placed the facility on the selling block, says it would emerge from the deal as a minority owner. Carlyle would contribute an undisclosed amount of cash and would become operator of the facility."

http://seekingalpha.com/currents/post/264621

Sold full FAZ position at Europe close time, guessing that ES will recover some after the Pain in Spain is less Insane. Will pyramid back into FAZ, never giving up the dream of a rocket shot with enough escape velocity to avoid losing account value like I did in 2008.

Oh yeah..Main St = ZH ...Read for entertainment only.

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I agree Rico.  Ditto Italy.

I agree Rico.  Ditto Italy. Certainly not overtly at least.

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redwood wrote: I agree Rico.

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I agree Rico.  

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Options help..

Can anyone help me with this? I've never traded options, but do hold a small position of HK and don't really understand what this means:

It was listed under Top Volatility Decreases 

HK     HALCON RESO  HK US 05/19/12 P9        -12.3  50.6   0.45  -10.0    200

Does that mean that the cost of $9.00 strike options dated for 5/19 decreased by 10% and are now selling for .45??
Which in turn would mean that options buyers do not believe the $9.00 strike price will hold by 5/19?

Appreciate any help and sorry to bother with such a noob question during trading hours.

 

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BlackHawk wrote: Oh

BlackHawk wrote:

Oh yeah..Main St = ZH ...Read for entertainment only.

Amen--I'm a patriotic libertarian, but really, this ain't the next American Revolution, and I trade for the money--the rich and powerful will always be with us.

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BH and Rico yes

I have buy sigs in silver but everything is not quite lined up

I have 30.42 vs spot as 61.8 fib.

nibbling but not committed.

BH u r welcome on DVN

caught $1 in options in xom today to.

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The most dangerous assumption here and on other boards

Is that a massive wave of printing on both sides of the Atlantic will have the desired effect of boosting everything upwards.  I humbly suggest two very important alternative scenarios:

1. Following the law of diminishing returns, consider the possibility that the next bullet fired by the Fed and the ECB will fail in its purpose and the selling will quickly resume and intensify.

2.  Consider the idea that TPTB already know about pt. 1, and are leaning toward austerity measures, debt forgiveness and a completely new monetary system/agreement.  They could completely bypass the printing angle and could jump to a second stage.  The deflationary aspect of this second choice may be inevitable and outright brutal.  Could be accompanied by lots of war and unrest to make the whole mix very spicy. 

My point is this:  Everyone and their mother are anticipating QE3.  That is a very bad thing IMO and lends to the very likely possibility of a different ending to this story. 

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2nd silver tranche

Spinny - just to see what flies I bought the 2nd AGQ tranche when silver hit $30.50.

This puts me over half in.  Won't buy any more today.   If silver gets to 30.89 then I'll have had a good day.

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Its possible that the Market today is discounting what the Gnome will say on Wednesday. This could set up a turnaround. I doubt it. It has more the feel of a crowd wanting to muscle its way out of a revolving door following a fire alarm.

The notion of waiting on QEIII is utterly pathetic imo. How has that trade paid off in the past? First there will be a deflationary wave, then the QE will come then an announcement after the fact using a different name and a mass of deliberately confusing data that more resembles the sewage piping beneath Manhattan. 

I think Spain is a very real and serious problem and making assumptions around it is something out of my league.

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SW, whole heartedly agree.

SW, whole heartedly agree. And not only is the market waiting for QE, they are waiting just to hear the words. And not only are they waiting to hear the words, they are waiting to her rumors of the words.

That's how bad it is.

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Happy, hope it works out for

Happy, hope it works out for ya. We have very different trading styles. I make about one trade a week on average and don't look at anything under an 8 hour chart. Day trading is monetary suicide imo. I don't feel I can beat the Borg with anything besides dumb luck and that runs out eventually. Best of luck and I do think we can both make money...

Gold is being very stubborn. Silver has broken support well. A close below 31.10 and 1630 is important to put the bears in charge. I really don't want to go back to another trading range...

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Spinny - thanks.  Yes trading

Spinny - thanks.  Yes trading once a week is a different animal.

So far I haven't gone crazy or broke although I did take a couple months off last fall with no trades/no research because I fell into chasing too hard.

When it comes to the Borg I now realize they are part of trading disruption which is why I don't put a lot of weight into my trades from TA or Main St.  They are all points of intelligence in my trades and that's it.

I think the Borg affect bears as much as bulls.  Borg are neither and don't care who they mess with.  Hence I don't believe "the bears will be in charge" of anything even if price falls below a support number.  The bears will seem to be in charge as long as the Borg support them.

Please continue to ask when trades seem out of whack.  Like I said I don't explain much because it's my own mix.

Here is a new piece of data I've come across.   I trade in Canada and use HZD/HZU as my 2X leveraged Silver ETF's.  They should perform very similarly to AGQ/ZSL and on any given day or even week they do.   However over the longer term the penalty for 'holding' these funds is very different.  The US versions (AGQ/ZSL) are incredibly punitive compared to the Canadian funds. 

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SW,It's not so much about assumptions

SW,

It's not so much about assumptions about Spain and/or Italy or any other European nation.  When Europe falls it will not be ascribed to the weakness of any one nation.  It will be a Euro Union mismanagement of sorts.  We waited months for Greece to declare and its not even a quarter of the size of Spain.  My main point is that the take down won't be as obvious as that.  This seems to be the preferred strategy imo.

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Any thoughts on

Any thoughts on gold....?????

It is holding up extremely well all things considered. With Europe getting obliterated its almost acting like a safe haven.....

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Spinny wrote:Any thoughts on

Spinny wrote:
Any thoughts on gold....????? It is holding up extremely well all things considered. With Europe getting obliterated its almost acting like a safe haven.....

Gold is doing exactly what I expected.   My problem if there is one, is that silver was supposed to do that too.

I know that's not help.  I just needed to get that off my chest.

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