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@RRJJ ; Capt.Willlard

Thanks for questions, though I generally do not know the answers-I start from charts and try to figure out what may happen to produce them. As some charts may be more corrects, some less, all of them playing out at the times predicted and values predicted has very little chance, especially for those that so far has been wrong.

1) If QE's continues into infinity, that means hyperinflation, which will just stop any business that sells today and buys inputs tomorrow to produce new goods-there will be negative future cash flows for stock valuation. So DJIA and all stocks should go down at one stage -should not they?

2) If there is a trigger that releases panic, money will move out of almost everything into commodities in a BUBBLE way (over invested) incl. gold, silver ( well I do not know all asset classes attractive in in case of very  high inflation expectations) in proportion to their wealth storage capacity. That would create price swings for those commodities etc. assets on such scale which would depend little on EUR/USD rates but on their perceived relative  wealth storage capacity as paper will not count anymore, however , exchange ratios will exist, of course, but secondary to commodity prices ( ala currency rates relative to Bancor). Until USA default, USD is still a also a wealth storing  commodity, partly, hence EUR/USD moving down, and in general, USD index moving up despite raise in commodity prices in the USD.

3) I am not sure I can figure out by how much trillions the world  stock value has already been elevated all over the world ( in total amount of trillion USD) compared to what it could have been without QE's around the world. I guess its possible to do based on Great recession/Great Depression DJIA comparison, but requires knowledge of too many facts , like all world stock market deviations and values. That would partly tell how much money can be released in case of trigger event to inflate the commodity bubble and get the air out of stocks+ even if QE's continue.

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/comment/78031#comment-78031

However, there is an interesting chart of super exponential deviation of stock prices in Great recession from Great depression which I  made in October. Its form may signal a typical form of bubble in stocks already in motion and still forming  (If You prolong it to end of February) , with a peak in stock value and immediate  crash somewhere around the time gold takes of (little prior or soon after or during November 2012). I have no chart for such DJIA scenario- I have made too many of them wrong, I would like to wait a bit to see if things happen along the described lines.

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/comment/78033#comment-78033

4) Somewhere along the road this should push USA in recession ( by pushing USDX up +inflation) , increasing doubts about USD value as wealth storage commodity, and finally leading to the USA default due to its inability to service debt. I have made some date predictions, but they vary from 2013 to 2016 so I have no firm conclusion about this.

5) I doubt everything:) Especially since the charts for silver and gold  I have made are the first ones that has been relatively successful for long enough time. And otherwise, how would You challenge existing notions?

What do You think?

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DJIA predcition chart trying to take QE's effects in account

This is a total turnaround away from approach in  my previous unsuccessful DJIA prediction charts:

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/comment/78791#comment-78791

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/comment/78794#comment-78794

Very roughly, both in time and value, this prediction chart tries to take into account QE's effect on stock prices and applies the noticeable (in comparison with 1929 gold standard stock market prices) formation of super-exponential relative price growth of DJIA now and formation of a characteristic log-periodic pre-crash formation in that difference (second chart):

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If this is truly taking into account QE's (incl. next ones) , it might explain why all my previous attempts to predict DJIA crash earlier were unsuccessful. They did not take QE's into account, obviosuly. But QE's are all about propping up stock prices to create Bernanke's "Wealth effect". There is even still growth in DJIA up to 15000 (may be new QE's) before QE's effects will expire. DJIA should continue to drop further after March 2013 but I could not figure out how fast, so prediction stops there.

Not clear to me if this behavior fits with other rather extreme chart predictions that has been so far successful ( silver, gold),  perhaps EUR/USD, USDX.

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Slightly updated EUR/USD long term chart

To match the February peak of 1,35:

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The decoupling in time of silver and gold next peaks in my

The uncoupling in time of silver and gold next peaks in my prediction charts (links below) seems less likely than I thought earlier -observing them to move in concert so far all year 2011- start of 2012- on other hand they did uncouple from September 2010- April 2011 when silver had a mini bubble while gold barely budged.

So I am kind of waiting a similar but shorter  difference with gold just moving up 1 month after silver.

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/comment/83978#comment-83978

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/comment/78025#comment-78025

With silver peaking in July-November 2012 and gold just later but sharper in November-December 2012.

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GOLD prediction reality comparison chart and extension to July1

Better picture when enlarged here:

http://saposjoint.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2626&start=1620#p36951

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GSR moving up short term (2-3 months) ?

I wonder if this slight upwards trend confirms the prediction of TEMPORARY GSR increase  I made on March 2 here:

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/comment/137665#comment-137665

If it does, it will give additional support to green charts in silver and gold price predictions:

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/comment/132799#comment-132799

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/comment/145747#comment-145747

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EUR/USD prediction chart compared to actual March 26th

Not soo bad-does it mean EUR will lose value faster than USD? It seems so:

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silver / post 120 from Ivars

Looking at that chart, silver will takeoff very soon, and take off in a big way too. do you still have that prediction or have you updated the chart, i might have missed something obviously.

I am currently positioned long in silver :)

edit: im bad at how eur/usd works , but in the post above, does it project an appreciation of the dollar in 2012/5 (beginning) ?

that will probably be bad for PMs i assume.

thanks for contributing your widsom Ivars, as always!

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Looking at that chart, silver will takeoff very soon, and take off in a big way too. do you still have that prediction or have you updated the chart, i might have missed something obviously.

No, I have not changed these charts, so  silver takes off from them is still late June-early July.

im bad at how eur/usd works , but in the post above, does it project an appreciation of the dollar in 2012/5 (beginning) ?

that will probably be bad for PMs i assume.

I think that it will be bad for PMs in a sense that it will DELAY the rally for a few months, and reduce the max price somewhat- but that should be included into my charts. I do not expect USD appreciation to make a significant dent in Silver or Gold, perhaps one more dip within the levels of latest dip-as can be seen from here:

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/comment/132799#comment-132799

And not so much , but some dips are still on the way of gold as well:

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/comment/132799#comment-132799

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Yes, double post this is.

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Silver seems to be going

Silver seems to be going down-final leg- till the end of April/early May. That would be the time to go seriously long. Gold may do the same, may start to decouple a bit on the upside during April, GSR increasing for some time-but not for long.

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big thanks

for replying to my questions above Ivars. Much appreciated.

I am paper long now in silver, and hopefully Silver moves to the upside soon.

time will tell. Keep up the good work ivars!

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GOLD prediction reality comparison chart and extension to Sep1

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SILVER prediction reality comparison chart and extension to Sep1

It seems green line prediction is better corresponding to late actual prices.

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Why No Extension Of Dates?

Ivars, thank you for the updated charts. I am wondering why you didn't extend them out to 2017 like the previous charts.?

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why not extend? These are the same charts, magnified

I am wondering why you didn't extend them out to 2017 like the previous charts.?

Because i have not changed the previous long term charts, and these short term are just magnification of those older charts. So far no need to change them after improvements done on October 2011 (green line) on top of original predictions in March (silver) and May ( gold) 2011.( red line) . These short term charts are NOT new predictions. However, if short term trends start to deviate too much from predictions, I might need to recalibrate them again - that is why  i present them step by step.

By presenting the charts in smaller time pieces, it is possible to see the details of their comparison with actual prices which occurred many months AFTER the original prediction charts were made. In a big long term chart these short term motions would be totally invisible.

You can still see the original long term charts which are magnified to obtain short term charts here:

Silver:

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/comment/78025#comment-78025

Gold:

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/comment/83978#comment-83978

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Thanks for the clarification.

Thanks for the clarification.

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SILVER prediction reality comparison chart May 5 2012

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EUR/USD prediction chart compared to actual May 5th 2012

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This Dow chart is NOT mine, but its made based on my chart

Improved version by goldpricemodel here-notice that the first SHARP drop in his model starts NOW-reasonable?

Points to QE in July 2012- a good guess as well.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/61834461@N02/6803255004/sizes/l/in/photostream/

He has also observed longer term exponential system rebound bounds (after a sharp negative shock). Very convincing.

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