Negative GOFO and Rising Gold Prices

Have you ever had one of those thoughts tumbling around in your head for days? Usually, it lingers there until you finally try to put the pieces together. This happened to me yesterday and the result is something that needs to be widely shared, thus this public thread.

As most are aware, the LBMA publishes Gold Forward Offered Rates (GOFO) every day. You can find all daily updates and 25 years of GOFO history by clicking this link:

Our friend, Denver Dave, published a concise, easy-to-understand explanation of GOFO back in July. I encourage you to read it before you go further but, in summary, it goes something like this:

Positive GOFO is the historical norm. Negative GOFO, when it appears, means that physical gold is preferable to dollars and, thus, indicative of a shortage or supply squeeze.

I would take this this one step further. In the 45 years since the collapse of The London Gold Pool, Central Banks have stood ready to lease gold to the Bullion Banks. The Bullion Banks, in turn, take this leased gold, leverage it through paper derivatives and dump it onto the futures markets in order to suppress and manage price. The Central Bank willingness to lease their gold was apparent through the persistently positive GOFO rates. In fact, from 1989 to mid-2013, GOFO rates were negative for just seven days.

September 29 and 30, 1999

March 9 and March 12, 2001

November 20, 21 and 24, 2008

That's it! Seven days out of about 5,000 or 0.14% of the time.

However, I think we can all agree that things have been fundamentally changing in the gold market. Against most expectations, price collapsed from $1800 to $1180 between 10/1/12 and 6/28/13. This manufactured price drop only served to exacerbate the extreme levels of demand that have been seen since 2010, particularly from China. So it came as no surprise that on July 8, 2013, just five market days after The Price Bottom was reached, GOFO rates turned negative. This time, however, rates did not flip back to positive after two or three days. Instead, rates stayed negative for 40 days.

Yep, you read that right. After only being negative for 7 of the previous 5,000 days, GOFO went negative for 40, consecutive market days from July 8, 2013 to September 2, 2013. And what happened to price during that time?

On Friday, July 5, price closed at $1213 and GOFO went negative in the morning of Monday, July 8. After rallying through July and August, price peaked on Wednesday, August 28 at $1433. That's a move of $220 or 18%. Not coincidentally, GOFO rates "bottomed" on August 22 and flipped back to positive on September 2. Price began to move sharply lower and, by September 18, had fallen as low as $1308. Though there was a brief period of flat rates in mid-September, GOFO rates remained positive until October 16, 2013.

In the time since, GOFO rates have vacillated between positive and negative, roughly coinciding with Comex delivery months. In short, if The Comex is in a delivery month like October, December or February, GOFO is likely to be negative. If it's not a delivery month, like September, November or January, GOFO will likely flip back to positive. It looks like this:

July 8, 2013 - GOFO moves negative

September 2, 2103 - GOFO moves back to positive

October 16, 2013 - GOFO negative

November 6, 2013 - GOFO positive

December 9, 2013 - GOFO negative

December 12, 2013 - GOFO positive

December 18, 2013 - GOFO negative

January 16, 2014 - GOFO positive

February 4, 2014 - GOFO negative

March 3, 2014 - I expect GOFO to be positive again on Monday. See the recent trend below:

21-Feb-14    -0.05400    -0.03600    -0.01000    0.03400    0.11200                                        
24-Feb-14    -0.05000    -0.03400    -0.01200    0.03200    0.11200                                        
25-Feb-14    -0.04600    -0.03000    -0.01200    0.03400    0.11400                                        
26-Feb-14    -0.03800    -0.02400    -0.00600    0.03200    0.11400                                        
27-Feb-14    -0.02400    -0.01400     0.00200     0.03400    0.11600                                        
28-Feb-14    -0.01400    0.00000     0.01600     0.04800     0.12400   

Let's cut to the chase. Here's what I think...

The days of Central Bank gold leasing are almost over. Whether the CBs are "out" of gold or simply unwilling to lease what they have left for fear of not getting it back (from China), the CBs are not playing the gold leasing game like they have for the past 45 years. Again, for the past 24 years, GOFO rates were negative just 7 out of 5,000 days. Since July 8, 2013, GOFO rates have been negative for 98 out of 164 days or roughly 60% of the time.

Put another way, positive GOFO means "business as usual". Central Banks are willing to lease gold to the Bullion Banks. The BBs take this gold and dump it onto the futures market, using this scheme to contain, manage and suppress price. This worked perfectly until 2003 when demand and fundamentals overwhelmed this scheme for the next nine years and price rallied from $300 to $1900. Leased gold was continually dumped from October 2012 until late June 2013 and the resulting decline took gold back from $1800 to less than $1200.

But, now, negative GOFO is the new norm. Why? Because the CBs no longer have the gold to lease to the BBs. Without this readily available physical supply, the BBs are unable to aggressively manage price on a day-to-day basis and they are forced to stand down. Instead of daily 7:00 am London time price raids, we only get one per week. Instead of "waterfall" declines on the Comex, we get gradual and steady price increases.

All of this would just be theory if there wasn't price data to back it up and this is the point where the pieces began to fall into place for me yesterday. Please take a moment to ponder the chart below. It shows the last 12 months of daily price action. All of the price change on the left side of the chart, up to the first red arrow, occurs in a period of consistently positive GOFO. Look at the price action since July 8, when GOFO first flipped negative and then look at all the other arrows. Red arrows point to dates where GOFO flipped negative. Black arrows point to dates where GOFO flipped back to positive. (click the chart to expand)

Do you see a trend here? Isn't it quite clear that when GOFO is negative, prices generally rise and when GOFO is positive, prices generally fall? Here, let me make it easier for you...Longtime Turdite "Pining" added some color and number to the chart. Now take a look. What do you see?

And here is where I think we are onto something. Let me, there is too much...let me sum up:

  • Extraordinary global demand (China, German gold repatriation, etc) has made the supply of readily-available and deliverable gold extremely tight.
  • Central Banks are no longer willing to lease gold into the market every single day    OR
  • The CBs do still lease every day BUT, during Comex delivery months, the extra physical demand is just enough to tip the scales out of balance and drive GOFO negative.
  • Negative GOFO indicates a shortage of London Good Delivery Bars for leasing and delivery.
  • A shortage of bars precludes the BBs from heavily shorting and driving price lower.

This leaves us with this conclusion for traders and stackers everywhere:

Buy when GOFO is negative. Be cautious, sell or hold off on new purchases, when GOFO is positive.

Could it be as simple as that? Yes! It may very well be, at least for now. Rest assured, I'll be following this trend very closely in the weeks and months ahead. Be sure to join us in The Vault every day for complete coverage, analysis and updates.



Bugzy's picture

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The Doc's picture

Nice work TF, thanks for the

Nice work TF, thanks for the heads up, I'll get this posted on SD. 
Clearly a sustained negative GOFO is an indication of severe physical stress on the system. 


Turd Ferguson's picture

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Marchas45's picture

Doc beat me to it.

I'm downloading my Silver Recliner Report as I type and I'm mentioning this as it's big news Turd. Awesome my man.

Turd Ferguson's picture

Thanks to GATA for


Thanks to GATA for immediately posting:

Joe72's picture


If so many shorts were put on, why didn't prices collapse?  Why will prices fall next week that didn't come to place last week.  

I trade futures, up and down, and I held my longs from the lows yesterday because of the Ukraine you expect a waterfall Sunday night?

love this site....been here since the early days of the watch tower.  Thank you for all you do!!!!

i will trade some fiat for SD bullion today if they are open for biz.  Love my turd rounds too.

idea.....silver coin with the London monkeys in some shape or form.  For it is the monkeys that allow us to stack.  I found an old receipt today from LCD....7-24-11....$40 a generic round!  Thank you London monkeys!

Verus nemo's picture

If you are correct, Turd---and I believe you've nailed this---

then coupling what you've revealed here together with the mechanism described in this video:

​suggests that the crude oil exporting nations might soon be unwilling to trade their oil for our petrodollars. Despite the depressed economy (where lower demand for energy should result in lower crude prices), it seems that sharply higher WTI and/or Brent prices could be a signal internationally that our 'Benny bucks are being rejected overseas and our Treasuries will begin washing up onto our shores seeking their last remaining value.

Isn't this fairly consistent with Jim Willie's prognosis? 

Blythesshrink's picture

Great analysis

Great post Turd. I would assume that before very long (maybe before the end of 2014), GOFO will go negative and remain negative even in non delivery months, at least until prices are much higher.

Preparing My Position's picture

What does GOFO mean for the dollar direction?

Turd, since GOFO is a dollar/gold swap, it may not be that there isn't enough gold.  Could it also be that when the GOFO is negative, someone is anticipating a decline in the dollar?  I realize the two 'should' be inverses of each other, but the motivation is different.  I haven't checked charts to see how it aligns, but I bring it up since the negative rates recently could have allowed someone with lots of dollars to swap for gold while the dollar took a beating.  Then on Friday, when the dollar may be getting close to support, GOFO is about to turn positive and someone begins to unwind that position.  

Just a thought.  

Strongsidejedi's picture

political manipulation of USDX

It's hard for me to disengage the GOFO/Bond rate analysis you present from the headlines of Ukrainian violence.

CNN just showed video from Kiev of a pro-Russian protest group engaging in violence, Russian military forces in Crimea, and the Russian parliament voting to deploy Russian military force in a foreign territory (violating Ukraine's territorial integrity and stability).

Putin's and Russia's actions are actually helpful to Obama in domestic US politics because the US electorate ALWAYS rallies behind the POTUS in times of international tension.  The strength of the US dollar ALWAYS rallies in these types of situations.

NATO is acting on Article 4 already (one step below a mass mobilization of NATO forces).

Based upon these actions, I will need to realign my supplies to insure 90 day supplies of key things.

Pseudozero's picture


i already 'got' it before, i really 'get' it.

does that make sense? 

such a concise picture you painted here.

some of your best work IMHO Turd.

thanks a ton (mmt?)

edit: thanks a million metric tons!!!

Joe72's picture

SD purchase


i just placed a nice order with SD and in the message box said that it was you site that led me to them.  Also, ordered from your link.  Just want to make sure you get the "commiski" you deserve..

got some philharmonics, incuse Indian rounds, year of the horse rounds and a love medallion.  I love the specialty coins but can't bring myself to buy bullion for twice+ the price.  It's all about the ounces.....

again, I can't thank you enough for your efforts and this site!!!


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donduderino's picture

I am a bit scared that TPTB

I am a bit scared that TPTB will soon cancel publishing these GOFO numbers since you dropped this "Buy when GOFO is negative. Be cautious, sell or hold off on new purchases, when GOFO is positive". I hope I am wrong, its nice to have some extra indicator :)

arch stanton's picture

a milestone of a post

I bought some freedom girls from the Doc.  He got them to me in about ten days when everyone else was waiting months, if they got them at all, and they were three bucks over spot.  I can't recommend SD bullion highly enough.

Joe72's picture


10 days is awesome.

i waited 14 WEEKS for NWTM .  But I have to say the silver bullets were worth the wait.  Unfortunately, most were presents for Xmas......but I will reload...pun intended. The bullets are the best silver I have ever bought......started in 1996.  So I have seen a lot of bullion.

amagi metals 3 weeks and counting.

Silver_investor's picture


"March 3, 2014 - I expect GOFO to be positive again on Monday."

So should we expect the price of gold to decline until early July? 

Marchas45's picture

You Got It Turd

It's great that your getting this out Turd all these Bastards Banksters should hang for this. Their time is running out and ours is just beginning. Keep Stacking

Dr Jerome's picture

Fabulous post

I have been trading mining ETFs with my IRA brokerage account. This theory  give me a good indicator of when to go long and when to get out, or go with a short ETF. Looking backwards, simply going long when negative and flat when positive would have made me very happy. Instead I stayed long through a long dip and have just now gotten back in the green. I went flat thursday.

I'd love it if this article gets plastered all over the trading internet sites--even ZH. Lets all go long when these rates trend negative--traders and stackers alike. and lets go short with positive GOGO rates, or put on bear call spreads just above the tops and make fiat if we drop or stay flat. Lets shove this GOFO indicator right up these criminals' arses.

And if anyone has  some reasons why we shouldn't use GOFO as an indicator, we all want to hear it, evaluate it and make a decision. But I think Turd has nailed it here.

AlienEyes's picture

Great job, TF !!!

So good that maybe you should.....

Stay away from tall buildings and especially tall banks.

If you own a nail gun, sell that puppy before you have a "nail gun malfunction".

Not even think about being closer than one mile to a JPM establishment. (You could be targeted by a falling banker.)




Corto's picture

What about the previous 5000 days?

Devil's advocate here, but if the previous 5000 days gofo was almost exclusively positive this latest correlation does not prove it is the cause, does it?

Like almost anyone else, I would love to have a predictable indicator. Not sure this is anything more than a temporary condition.

pm_newbie's picture

freakin' awesome post Turd!

Have you been told today?  We love you dude! Best darn $10/month I've ever spent.  Really really great work.

Turd Ferguson's picture

I think you miss the point of this "theory"


The old days are over. Positive GOFO for 99.9% of the time is a thing of the past.

Negative GOFO is the "new normal" and there is a high correlation currently between negative GOFO and rising prices.

Turd Ferguson's picture

Have you been drinking


Have you been drinking again? laugh

Response to: Question
Silverwing's picture

Big Question Turdists

Who among all the Turdists here have a very bad feeling for the safety of a very brave man like PCR.

He project so much light on the incompetence and arrogance bunch of liars in the WH.

Many souls have been sent to smithereens for less effective words.

Who should protect his life right NOW!


HO and Magnificient job Craig re..TF

And please Stay away from tall buildings and especially tall banks.


Joe72's picture



are you responding to my post "question"?  

If so not sure what you mean.

Please let me know...


Silver_investor's picture

Re: Have You Been Drinking

I don't drink (for health reasons).

Let me state my question differently. You stated that you expect GOFO to go positive on Monday (3/3). How long do you expect that to last before GOFO turns negative again?

Verus nemo's picture


Turd will no doubt answer your question soon but I believe that April is the next gold contract delivery month. That means that we'll likely see positive GOFO's up through St. Patrick's Day at least, followed by declining GOFO rates as we approach FDN later in March. April then will see mostly negative GOFOs, at least on the 1, 2, and 3 month out rates. I'm looking forward to seeing even the 6 month rates go negative at some point!

Joe72's picture

Please clarify


i asked for your advice/ opinion at the beginning of the thread.  I am a novice and just wanted your take.  You have responded to other posts and may have just tried to call me out?  Not sure because there are two posts with the heading "question".  I had not been drinking but have just started.  Cut up some cheese, hard salami and French bread....opened a bottle of cab.  Ready to read my hat trick letter, SD and look at some charts.  I sincerely hope you were not responding to my post.  Please clarify.  I have been a lurker for years.......happy to stay that way if my questions are ignored and post ridiculed 


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