Whaddayagottalose?

I mean, seriously. Why not sign the petition? It's worth a try.

This idea was floated yesterday by Eric Dubin at SilverDoctors. If you sign the petition and nothing ever comes of it, you'll have given away about one minute of your life that you won't get back. Otherwise, I don't see much downside to trying.

First, read the petition here: http://thenewsdoctors.com/bart-chilton-resign-and-become-a-whistleblower-open-letter-petition/

And then sign the petition here: http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/bart-chilton-resign-go-public-on-silver-manipulation.html

You'll note that yours truly was signatory #10. 

TF

154 Comments

lnardozi's picture

first

wow!

edit:and I already signed!

Turd Ferguson's picture

Please support the cause

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I saw some comments yesterday that there are still some things going on behind the scenes. This certainly can't hurt.

arch stanton's picture

turd

turd

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flyinkel's picture

Its not whattagonnalose

Its whattyagonnagain?  This may or may not put you on a "troublemaker" list, I don't know.  Perhaps it would make a difference, I don't know that either.

What I do know is that right now, this very instant, you have throngs of folks that can unnoticed do the following

1) hold meetings and group discussions on the loss of civil liberties and tramping of our Constitution

2) run for office and hold positions of power to return to a Constitutional state

3) buy in cash and dump their credit cards in a silent "just say no" campaign to the banksters that have done this to us

4) go undetected to their LCS and buy thereby removing the leveraging abilities of those same banksters

5) operate in relative freedom, NOT being harassed

Turd, you ARE right, we DO need folks to stand up and say "NO MORE".  I would advise folks to pick their battles for the MAXIMUM GAIN.  How can you stay OFF the radar the longest in order to bring BACK this country to honesty, and integrity and END the CORRUPTION?  Because THOSE folks will be our true HEROS. 

And if you are already a shout out, you are already a shout out.  Give em hell and spend all your time shouting out so they spend all their time on you!

Orange's picture

I signed

Also note that you can remain anonymous. 

Dr Jerome's picture

just signed

Dr Anonymous! Interesting reading in the comments area of the petition. One signer suggests that we "crowd fund his resignation and legal costs." Am I reading that right that we could all "make it worth his while" financially to expose the manipulation? That we could beat TPTB with their own tactics of "bribing" a public official? I'm in with a donation to  the Chilton legal fund.

woofwoof's picture

Don't want to highjack the thread just update.

Silver Mass Buy-In Date

Unless there are strong objections, Oct. 31, Halloween Night, is the date for the coordinated buy-in. 

We need 1,000 Turds to participate in this beta test.

As far as sources are concerned, can we support those that support this site such as JM Billion or Silver Doc?  One goal is to take new silver off the market if possible.  Disclaimer:  I have zero affiliation with either JM or Silver Doc they are just suggestions.  Other suggestions are appreciated. 

The way I see it we have limited options; continue to read tealeaves and bitch or ORGANIZE and take the battle to them. 

We have four weeks to spread the word.  I have shared this concept with my LCS and it is onboard and will help to spread the message.  I ask that you do the same.  This is a group effort so share and post to all PM communities you visit.  Point them to this thread to learn more about it. 

Once a purchase is made please report back to this thread so we can gauge the success.  Or if you are concerned about unanimity we can create some sort of hat-tip-secret-hand-shake later on.  There is nothing to lose and oh so much to gain.  Let’s get her done. 

p.s. there will be those who will try to derail this effort so keep your noses clean and face the wind. 

John Galt's picture

Whaddayagottalose? Let's Think This Through

Turd - With all due respect I really do admire you and the site you have created here. As you know I spend a lot of time here, sometimes just reading and listening but especially of late (and to the chagrin of Mrs. G) sometimes also posting.
 
In light of other recent posts from both yourself and others there seems to be an underlying feeling that TPTB are firmly in control of everything, including (the illusion of) markets. Tied in to this is the realization that there is no longer a rule of law in effect.
 
Having said that, why are we to believe that a petition is going to make any kind of difference for the better?
 
On this note I will c+p my comment from the previous thread, in reply to benque and the idea of signing this petition.
 
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@ benque - while the idea of signing this kind of petition is laudable, and I admire the conviction and bravery of those who do chose to sign it, in my mind it would only be worthwhile if there is reasonable expectation that it will make a difference for the better.
 
IMO, anyone putting their name and address to this kind of petition in 2013 America would be akin to a Jew signing a petition of complaint to a director of the Gestapo over the events of Krystallnacht in 1938 Germany. The only change this kind of document will make is getting your name added to a growing watch list of those considered to be enemies of the state.
 
@ Sliver - that quote by Bucky Fuller is, in my mind, what needs to be done when he said "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete."
 
There is little question that this f*cked up and corrupt Western paradigm is breaking apart and collapsing under the weight of its own sh*t and excess.
 
Rather than trying fighting it head on Perhaps it is best that we stand out of the way and focus our collective energies on building a new and better paradigm instead.
 
silverstool's picture

@John Galt

"The only change this kind of document will make is getting your name added to a growing watch list of those considered to be enemies of the state."

I suspect that they would already know this by visiting sites like this. 

boomer sooner's picture

Signed and didn't Scooby Doooooooo

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C&P from the bottom of TF Metals page.  Really????

Hell, might as well sign it too.  Not!!!!  You can tell how deep it is when laws that should be enforced, are not and laws that are petty get pushed (Seat Belt Laws).  I get a $25 dollar FINE for being a legal res. or a free pass if Illegal (U Cant Touch This), sorry cant find MC Hammer when you need him.

Add:  How do you expect Chilton or anyone else to do the Right thing yes when handed a petition with 100,000 Anonymous cool signatures?  Would you?  Everyone wants a person to quit his job, possibly get taken out, for what he knows on the basis of a bunch of Anonymous signatures.  wink       Bet I can tell you what he says no.    And then everyone will be broken heart when he comes out and says nothing happened.     kiss off.  If you will not put your nuts in a vise, why would you expect someone else to?  If we really me business, it might be time to stand up and be counted.

Sorry, I take signing something that possibly means something very serious.  Thing in life are only worth what you put into them, otherwise Gold and Silver would be free.

John Galt's picture

Keep in Mind

Keep in mind that as a corporation the government of the United States is legally considered to be a living entity, and as a result it will fight for its own survival as any living entity will be expected to do.

As we known this entity has now grown to become a massive and voracious beast, and it has also mortally now wounded itself because of its own excess. It is bleeding out profusely and is willing to resort to proverbial cannibalism (consuming the wealth and liberty of its own young) by any means necessary in order to survive.

There is no predicting what extremes this frightened and dying animal will go to, as it flails about violently.

You don't poke a wounded and frightened bear.

John Galt's picture

@ silver stool

I think you are absolutely correct.

John Galt's picture

Going to Pick Apples

Mrs Galt has found a reasonably priced source for canning apples at a local orchard, so I am off to pick some apples with her.

She tells me I can go back to my 'Turding' when we get return.

Enjoy your day everyone!

Dogbone's picture

Nut up or shut up

Long time lurker, first post ever, in this forum or anywhere else. If you want to fight the zombies, remember Woody Harrelson's Zombieland advice: Nut up or shut up.

SE's picture

Petition

I noticed that the petition asked for name, email, and even home address.  I falsified in order to hide myself a bit.  Is this a petition that will be automatically turned over to the Government for a house-to-house search for dissidents in the near future?

Edit: #161

The Doc's picture

@John Galt: All of us are

@John Galt: All of us are already on countless lists.  You can take that to the bank.  I recall a quote from one of our founding fathers who had put his name on a list that GUARANTEED his execution if their cause was not successful: "We must all hang together or we shall surely hang separately."

While it is admittedly unlikely that Chilton will resign and turn whistle-blower, if the petition were to grow big enough, it would attract media attention that would shine light on metals manipulation from a new angle.  That certainly couldn't hurt.

@woofwoof:  We would be excited to help the co-ordinated mass silver buy day at SDBullion.  Has the day been decided as Oct 31st?  We'll put together an industry best any qty sale for that day, and sell silver at basically break-even to see how big of a message we can collectively send. 
It would be worth contacting the Sound Money Campaign to help promote the co-ordinated buy.  They heavily promoted a similar co-ordinated silver physical campaign on May 1st I believe, and whether as a result or co-incidental, we saw premiums explode and supply delays explode for the next 2 months as a wholesale shortage of physical silver developed (obviously silver's trip down to $18 played a large role as well).
It's time to fight back!
-Doc
 

Sloppy Goatpants's picture

Sign Already...

Stop the farce that you can remain anonymous and throw those balls into the wind and sign the petition already. 

By default, we are ALL known entities--YEARS ago. 

Why not try and affect change and just sign the thing already.  And don't sign anonymously, that's another bunch of BS.

Oh, and have a nice weekend!

The Doc's picture

Bill Murphy on Chilton, the End Game

Sneed Hearn's picture

Chilton, the "good cop"

Why would anyone think Chilton is actually serious about wanting to expose anything? Seems to me he has been making good cop noises for years but always with enough "restraint" so he can not be accused of being actually serious. He may be Gensler's bastard offspring. Seems to me you would have more luck spitting into the wind than signing such a petition. Hope may spring eternal but it withers when fed governmental napalm.

boomer sooner's picture

OMGosh

Do you not realize that "they" know who you are, where you live, what you drive, what kind of phone you use.  When logged in on a computed, everything can be tracked back.  What do you think is being stored in the big building in Nevada?  "They" could probably go back and see if you were on a cell phone at the time, EXACTLY where you were (+- 3').  When on the anything that is transferred interstate, it is being logged.  A really good hacked can probably cover their "tracks", but a dumbass like me is a sitting duck.  But, this would be the first time a duck could "shout" back.

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ctob's picture

Focusing on the wrong thing

Its a nice idea, but first you must fix the broad apathy of the people before things like petitions will means shit.

The apathy is the result of despair. You say "Whaddayagottalose?" they shrug back and say "Whatcanyoudo?".

A broad section of people realize the upper echelons of the american leadership both private and public are captured by multiple cartels of cronies. Some of those who realize this even enable it because they think as long as their crony has some power they get a piece of the pie.

There is no way out of this within the system, without both major political parties losing at least 1/3 of their voters. People within the system who try are co-opted or destroyed or both. And even if they made it to a high position such as president they are paralyzed by the entrenched crony system. Same has happened to many Kings throughout history.

Every action within the system will be met with a wall of despair the symptom being apathy, or a variation of it; obviously stupid hope. That last bit might sound strange as the hope is one the things people need to get out of this trap. But hope in something utterly stupid (ie. running off a cliff) is simply putting the apathy in a different place its like how some depressed people actually become extremely active to hide from what is tearing them up inside rather than being low energy.

Why do you think Obama was successful even among people you would not have expected to fall for such obvious bullshit?

People know its fucked up. Digging further into the details of it is exactly what they DO NOT WANT. Its make them MORE depressed.

Give them real actions that have obvious positive results.

That is my take on it.

Howard Roark's picture

Co-op buy Euroland

Hello Turdville!

Regarding the co-op buying: from euroland there is not much one can do. Except buy individually on the signaled day, I guess.

Turdites from Europe: any ideas?

Salut,

HR

surfeitndearth's picture

Signatures on Chilton petition so far...

190

wildstylechef's picture

i'M IN

#195

Gold Dog's picture

Halloween it is!

Doc,

You can put me in for a few tubes.

Your friend,

Dog

Bugzy's picture

Spying on us

Think about it. I barely have time to digest half of turdites comments and a few other sites I visit.

Heck, imagine the amount of info just in your street/road. Phone calls, tweets, facebook, text messages, email, internet searches, bank transaction, face time. I would not be able to digest just 1 small street, never mind a block.

So just look at the amount of streets and blocks in the world! How many do you think would need to be employed to sift through all that shite? Yes yes, algorithms this and that... bunkum!

List of naughty words which will flag us, to fight terrorism! Bullshit. (oops - said one).

Maybe they can store everything, I actually doubt it. Regardless - their point is to scare you all, to make you think that big brother is watching you and you dare not even sign a petition because you might be placed on their list for special attention.

Ye gods and little fishes, they have already conquered your mind and any thoughts of personal freedom. You are now a victim of terrorism (oops again).

I cannot tell you what to do, I will say though, you are either expecting others to step up to the plate for you or you accept that you live in a gulag with no way out - Identification papers please.

Turd Ferguson's picture

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realitybiter's picture

Sign it if you believe in it

Cowering in fear is pathetic.

Do you seriously think that doing nothing will secure your future? "Gee Daddy, why didn't you do anything to stop the total banker take-over?" "Well, you see, I was a paranoid freak, and was afraid I'd end up on a list...so I figured if I did nothing, that something good would happen....."

There are a lot of heavyweights already in on the PM trade.....Ray Dalio, the largest hedge fund manager in THE WORLD, recommends 10% allocation to precious metals. Do you really think that he is going to end up on a "list"? Kyle Bass? Come on.

If you do get harassed, make it public. Doing nothing will get nothing.

Oh, and yes, I think things might have been different in the 30's if those that were getting kicked around had pushed back. How did doing nothing work for them?

Terabyte's picture

I signed the petition

Knowing I'm likely going to skin some hide, I still have to make my thoughts known.  Or at least I think I do. 

I'm appalled at the negative reaction here to the idea of signing the petition.  While I understand some peoples hesitation, I still firmly believe that there comes a time when we all simply have to stand for what is right.  Otherwise, as one of our founders famously stated, "we must all hang together or assuredly, we shall all hang separately".  If this time in our country's history is not such a time, then what will it take for it to become that time?  

After all, most likely we are all already on the "watch list" of the NSA by the simple fact of participating in this and other sites on the Internet.  Plus, in my case at least, I have committed much more serious transgressions in emails and other Internet activities that would have made the big red light come on in Utah long ago.  Hell, I even have a lighted American Flag in my front yard, a government documented reason to be put on a terrorist watch list. 

Furthermore, if anyone need additional reason to "stick the old neck out" I would suggest a bit of reading of the plight of the Jews in Germany and other European countries in the years leading up to and during WWII.  As came out of that episode, if not now, when?

So, with both hands over my ass, come on folks, man, or woman, up and put some more weight behind that petition. 

realitybiter's picture

Oh, and

Never Believe Anything Until it is Officially Denied by the Government.....

and there it is.

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