Another Excellent Documentary

This one comes from National Geographic. Thanks to ZeroHedge for finding and posting it!

Here's the link to the original ZH post: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-10/gold-trust-and-federal-reserve-video-documentary And here's how they describe it:

 

"From the inside of the Federal Reserve's gold vault (where we are told one quarter of the world's bullion resides) to NYC's diamond district and the gold-dealers on the streets, this NatGeo documentary is a fascinating walk through the reality of trust, money, and gold. As the narrator notes, "the Fed's discretion is so trusted that few depositors have ever asked to see if their gold is still here," except of course Germany now that is, adding (from the exact opposite perspective to the man that runs the building) that, "for thousands of years people used gold as money... it's the perfect recyclable money...." The must-watch video then progresses to the reality of our financial world where he explains, the trillions in money that is transacted every day "used to be backed gold, but is now supported by the promise of our government... The fact that it all works based on trust alone is simply taken for granted," leaving the ominous question of "who is in charge" of that 'trust'? Cue Ben Bernanke - who answers the question of what the world would look like without a Fed... bank runs, stock market crashes, and financial chaos."

 

I'm posting this even though, so far, I've only been able to watch the first 5 or 6 minutes. It looks like a very interesting program, to say the least, and seeing all of the gold is certainly intoxicating.

Interesting to note is the great care and effort that is made to move and store about 80 bars or one metric ton of gold. This is especially interesting when you consider the almost daily withdrawals of 1-5 metric tonnes from the GLD and the 340 metric tonnes withdrawn from alleged inventory year to date.

So kick back, relax and enjoy this must watch video.

TF

 

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ChewYourOwnFaceOff's picture

Hi

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texanpilot's picture

Second!

Hello

AgNovice's picture

Number 2 or Turd?

The Second Amendment is widely seen as quite unusual, because it has a justification clause as well as an operative clause.  Professor Volokh points out that this structure was actually quite commonplace in American constitutions of the Framing era:  State Bills of Rights contained justification clauses for many of the rights they secured.  Looking at these state provisions, he suggests, can shed light on how the similarly structured Second Amendment should be interpreted.  In particular, the provisions show that constitutional rights will often -- and for good reason -- be written in ways that are to some extent overinclusive and to some extent underinclusive with respect to their stated justifications.

http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/common.htm

s1lverbullet's picture

3rd

Woot!

Urban Roman's picture

Based on Trust ... yeah.

Yeah, it's all based on trust. That's why they have these big beefy police-type guys with machine guns all around. Trust. In Mossberg we trust. Or something like  that. The Bureau of Engraving looked pretty trusting too. 

The gold was pretty, though. I wonder how many of those bricks they have in the vault are tungsten? 

And, for the bar whose serial number is shown, I wonder how many times it is "allocated"? 

The "we buy gold" segment was interesting too. A surprisingly low-tech affair, I didn't see much evidence of any real assay going on in the guy's "foundry". 

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please share

This post on Reddit was in response to someone who said he didn't mind the privacy invasion:

16171921 7075 points 3 days ago*x13

I live in a country generally assumed to be a dictatorship. One of the Arab spring countries. I have lived through curfews and have seen the outcomes of the sort of surveillance now being revealed in the US. People here talking about curfews aren't realizing what that actually FEELS like. It isn't about having to go inside, and the practicality of that. It's about creating the feeling that everyone, everything is watching. A few points:

1) the purpose of this surveillance from the governments point of view is to control enemies of the state. Not terrorists. People who are coalescing around ideas that would destabilize the status quo. These could be religious ideas. These could be groups like anon who are too good with tech for the governments liking. It makes it very easy to know who these people are. It also makes it very simple to control these people.

Lets say you are a college student and you get in with some people who want to stop farming practices that hurt animals. So you make a plan and go to protest these practices. You get there, and wow, the protest is huge. You never expected this, you were just goofing off. Well now everyone who was there is suspect. Even though you technically had the right to protest, you're now considered a dangerous person.

With this tech in place, the government doesn't have to put you in jail. They can do something more sinister. They can just email you a sexy picture you took with a girlfriend. Or they can email you a note saying that they can prove your dad is cheating on his taxes. Or they can threaten to get your dad fired. All you have to do, the email says, is help them catch your friends in the group. You have to report back every week, or you dad might lose his job. So you do. You turn in your friends and even though they try to keep meetings off grid, you're reporting on them to protect your dad.

2) Let's say number one goes on. The country is a weird place now. Really weird. Pretty soon, a movement springs up like occupy, except its bigger this time. People are really serious, and they are saying they want a government without this power. I guess people are realizing that it is a serious deal. You see on the news that tear gas was fired. Your friend calls you, frantic. They're shooting people. Oh my god. you never signed up for this. You say, fuck it. My dad might lose his job but I won't be responsible for anyone dying. That's going too far. You refuse to report anymore. You just stop going to meetings. You stay at home, and try not to watch the news. Three days later, police come to your door and arrest you. They confiscate your computer and phones, and they beat you up a bit. No one can help you so they all just sit quietly. They know if they say anything they're next. This happened in the country I live in. It is not a joke.

3) Its hard to say how long you were in there. What you saw was horrible. Most of the time, you only heard screams. People begging to be killed. Noises you've never heard before. You, you were lucky. You got kicked every day when they threw your moldy food at you, but no one shocked you. No one used sexual violence on you, at least that you remember. There were some times they gave you pills, and you can't say for sure what happened then. To be honest, sometimes the pills were the best part of your day, because at least then you didn't feel anything. You have scars on you from the way you were treated. You learn in prison that torture is now common. But everyone who uploads videos or pictures of this torture is labeled a leaker. Its considered a threat to national security. Pretty soon, a cut you got on your leg is looking really bad. You think it's infected. There were no doctors in prison, and it was so overcrowded, who knows what got in the cut. You go to the doctor, but he refuses to see you. He knows if he does the government can see the records that he treated you. Even you calling his office prompts a visit from the local police.

You decide to go home and see your parents. Maybe they can help. This leg is getting really bad. You get to their house. They aren't home. You can't reach them no matter how hard you try. A neighbor pulls you aside, and he quickly tells you they were arrested three weeks ago and haven't been seen since. You vaguely remember mentioning to them on the phone you were going to that protest. Even your little brother isn't there.

4) Is this even really happening? You look at the news. Sports scores. Celebrity news. It's like nothing is wrong. What the hell is going on? A stranger smirks at you reading the paper. You lose it. You shout at him "fuck you dude what are you laughing at can't you see I've got a fucking wound on my leg?"

"Sorry," he says. "I just didn't know anyone read the news anymore." There haven't been any real journalists for months. They're all in jail.

Everyone walking around is scared. They can't talk to anyone else because they don't know who is reporting for the government. Hell, at one time YOU were reporting for the government. Maybe they just want their kid to get through school. Maybe they want to keep their job. Maybe they're sick and want to be able to visit the doctor. It's always a simple reason. Good people always do bad things for simple reasons.

You want to protest. You want your family back. You need help for your leg. This is way beyond anything you ever wanted. It started because you just wanted to see fair treatment in farms. Now you're basically considered a terrorist, and everyone around you might be reporting on you. You definitely can't use a phone or email. You can't get a job. You can't even trust people face to face anymore. On every corner, there are people with guns. They are as scared as you are. They just don't want to lose their jobs. They don't want to be labeled as traitors.

This all happened in the country where I live.

You want to know why revolutions happen? Because little by little by little things get worse and worse. But this thing that is happening now is big. This is the key ingredient. This allows them to know everything they need to know to accomplish the above. The fact that they are doing it is proof that they are the sort of people who might use it in the way I described. In the country I live in, they also claimed it was for the safety of the people. Same in Soviet Russia. Same in East Germany. In fact, that is always the excuse that is used to surveil everyone. But it has never ONCE proven to be the reality.

Maybe Obama won't do it. Maybe the next guy won't, or the one after him. Maybe this story isn't about you. Maybe it happens 10 or 20 years from now, when a big war is happening, or after another big attack. Maybe it's about your daughter or your son. We just don't know yet. But what we do know is that right now, in this moment we have a choice. Are we okay with this, or not? Do we want this power to exist, or not?

You know for me, the reason I'm upset is that I grew up in school saying the pledge of allegiance. I was taught that the United States meant "liberty and justice for all." You get older, you learn that in this country we define that phrase based on the constitution. That's what tells us what liberty is and what justice is. Well, the government just violated that ideal. So if they aren't standing for liberty and justice anymore, what are they standing for? Safety?

Ask yourself a question. In the story I told above, does anyone sound safe?

I didn't make anything up. These things happened to people I know. We used to think it couldn't happen in America. But guess what? It's starting to happen.

I actually get really upset when people say "I don't have anything to hide. Let them read everything." People saying that have no idea what they are bringing down on their own heads. They are naive, and we need to listen to people in other countries who are clearly telling us that this is a horrible horrible sign and it is time to stand up and say no.

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Repost from last thread & 6th

DPH - Great charts and thanks for them.  Nice and concise.

Hat - I can't believe I won a hat! I really didn't want to win a hat because my silver guess was low but I figured we would have gone lower and this was the rebound back.  I hope I'm not correct and we are on the way down. As promised, I will try to wear the hat at the Derby next year.  I have family down there who go every year but the Chicago family hasn't gone in a few years.  Depending on the family, I might have to wear it to Oaks Day (the day before the Derby) as I know the relatives just spent a pretty penny on their first ever Derby Box this year.  We'll see, but I will definitely have a picture outside and inside Churchill Downs with it on. Thanks Turd and I'll shoot you my address.

GSR - As the GSR is rising, I am getting my first Gold coin ready for exchange at around 68. From there, I will exchange every 2-3 points going up. If we hit 75, I will start to add multiple coins to the exchange. Should we start to come back I will cap the sales at 67 and wait for the GSR to go back down under 43 to start trading the silver for gold. 

Lastly, the Bacon of the Month Club.  When I sent the prize to our Turdite winner I decided I needed to try it out. Well, I received 2 pounds of thick cut Bacon last Thursday and cooked up a pound this Sunday. I received a pound of Hickory Smoked and hand rubbed bacon. I also received a standard thick cut pound.  I had to try the Hickory Smoked which was very good but a little too salty for my taste.  It had 8 slices to the pound so it was perfect for the 4 family members. Mrs. Deadhead didn't care for it too much nor did the littlest Deadhead but the oldest and I were happy to finish it off.  I can't wait for this Sundays treat.

Thanks again Turd for a great site

Chi-Town out

PS - Anyone from Bean Town want to make a friendly wager on the Stanley Cup?

BillyBoy's picture

Well, if Gold is just a

Well, if Gold is just a tradition, then why all the security fuzz about ?

philipat's picture

Top Ten

In another unusual score for the Asian Time Zone

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texanpilot

Welcome aboard!

Weasel Tracker's picture

Gold is pretty in bulk

I wish I could see all that gold in real life. Although, I think a better treat would be to walk in a vault full of 1,000 ounce silver bars. That would be a sight to behold!

The Watchman's picture

Trust The Fed?

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57Goldtop's picture

I did enjoy it

The video was enjoyable and I did laugh heartily at the line about nobody asking if their gold was still there. Perhaps the video was shot before Germany had their moment of doubt.

The last bit is so thick with propaganda that I thought I was playing Risk with my buddies. If I didn't know better, I'd weep at the pride Americans must have for having created such an amazing government institution. Having said that, there are some interesting moments where Benny boasts of the revenue he shoots the Treasury... without coming out and saying, "yeah, because ya know, we're actually privately owned." I mean, would he brag about transferring money to another branch of the federal government if he was part of the federal government? 

At the end of the day, the uninformed viewer would come away from this viewing thinking the Fed was the backbone of the whole deal... which I suppose it is.

Save_America1st's picture

More affirmation....

This article goes to what Turd said yesterday...

Via Charleston Voice:

http://chasvoice.blogspot.com

US Bank Gold Positions Explode At Highest Rate On Record; Short Positions Collapse

http://chasvoice.blogspot.com/2013/06/us-bank-gold-positions-explode-at.html?m=1

Great call once again Big T :)

So It Goes's picture

Got Bored

Got bored at minute 20 and shut it off - no offense.  The beginning was fine though.

Check it out!  KWN is on fire - check out the last two broadcast  interviews with Fleckenstein and Malmgren:

http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Broadcast.html

Then read the two most recent written pre-broadcasts by Turk and Kaye:

http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/King_World_News.html

My head is spinning - END OF THE KEYNESIAN EXPERIMENT - Any questions class?

So it goes.

ag1969's picture

Good Video

I wonder if Bob Krause (?) is a stacker?

The other thing I find interesting is if you go to a typical LCS, usually the only security is the gun in the shop owners pocket, and this is where the real money is.  Yet the fed, where all the fake money is has their own police force and shooting ranges and all the other hoopla to guard a bunch of ponzi coupons.  Is this kind of the fort knox theory, where they are guarding the illusion that gold is there?

Ben Bernanke is a lying douchebag.  Nuff said.

Why hasn't the 9/11 footage from the NY Fed's cameras ever been released?

I am guessing that cylindrical vault, that they claim screws down to become air and water tight, really just spins over to the JPM vault.  We'll call it the two card monte portal.

I was stunned that NatGeo pointed out that the dollar is all based on confidence.  We wouldn't want the uppity peasants to realize it is a "con" game.

I had lots of other stuff to say as well but I did not take notes and if I watch again I will probably vomit.

And finally, this is for GL.  LMFAO!

Xty's picture

Plus ca change, mais peut etre c'est un long time to price fix

The treasury has a lot of silver on hand.  It can and will be used to keep the price of silver in line ...

1965.  Can they still have a lot of silver on hand?  They must have already been in trouble 47 years ago ... the Leafs were on the road to a Stanley Cup ... dinosaurs roamed the prairies ... and there was no more silver.

The Watchman's picture

ECB to defend bond-buying plan in German courtroom duel

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BERLIN | Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:06pm EDT

BERLIN (Reuters) - The European Central Bank will defend its bond-buying programme in a German court this week against charges it is really an illegal scheme to fund euro zone members through the back door.

ECB President Mario Draghi has called the scheme "probably the most successful monetary policy measure undertaken in recent time", and it is widely credited with restoring calm to the euro zone by easing fears of a breakup of the currency bloc.

Yet two German ECB policymakers, Bundesbank chief Jens Weidmann and ECB Board member Joerg Asmussen, will take opposing sides in arguing over its legality at the Constitutional Court hearing on Tuesday and Wednesday.

It's hard to argue with Draghi; the euro zone crisis has subsided significantly since he announced the "Outright Monetary Transactions" scheme (OMT) last year, even though the ECB hasn't yet bought a single bond of any distressed euro zone government under the programme.

Still, more than 35,000 Germans have brought a complaint against the OMT, reflecting fatigue in Europe's largest economy at having to fund the lion's share of euro zone rescues.

For Weidmann, who as German central bank president sits on the ECB's Governing Council, the programme is tantamount to printing money to finance struggling euro states. The ECB itself maintains the OMT fits within its mandate of securing price stability.

Bugzy's picture

Turd

The video is actually 45 mins NOT 30. There is a 45 min version at goldsilver.com  news area.

Goes into bitcoin etc. Seems like a we love and need the fed promotional video: Quite barfy IMO

This one:

http://goldsilver.com/video/inside-americas-money-vault-national-geographic/

Hammer's picture

What happens when the

ATV_Fail_Mower.jpgWhat happens when the Governments run out of juice and can't push anymore ? You mean we will have to walk ourselves ? Shurely shome mishtake ?

http://atvconnection.com/

Zoltan's picture

Good Vid

Kind of makes  you wonder about the "movement" of "gold" with the GLD.

I have held a 400 oz bar and it is impressive. 

Z

Zoltan's picture

Good Vid (dup)

Dup.

Looked for a pic of Z with the bar from the Winnipeg Royal Canadian Mint but couldn't find it.  The bar "disappeared" a few years ago cause it was no longer "financially viable".  I used to fondle it regularly when I went to the city.  Always wondered if it was real or Tungsten.

Z

Edit: couldn't find the pic, it was the bar at the mint that "disappeared" cause it needed an armed security guard (and the mint was a little "short" of the real thing when they tried to turn tungsten bars into Maples)

JackPutter's picture

Welcome!!

I wanted to say a big hearty welcome to all those Verizon subscribers that have been learning of their government surveiler's this past week.  Welcome!!  To anyone who does not subscribe with Verizon it really doesn't matter.  I believe that the ONLY people who are not under surveillance are the ones at the NSA that have the controls firmly in their hands.

You may not know it but you have joined an ever growing club known as the tin-foil-hats.  You might want a little guidance on how to make your tin-foil-hats, and better yet, how not to commit a faux-pas in the wearing of them.

The tin-foil-hat is not actually made of tin-foil.  It's made of aluminium-foil, which makes shopping for the basic materials much easier.  The choices of fashion styles of tin-foil-hat are many.  It does help to have a design that is foldable so that it fits into luggage, as you won't be allowed to wear it through the metal detection devices when going into the airport terminal.

When it comes to wearing your hat, the usual place to do so is in the privacy of your own home.  The word privacy is very thinly used here, as you are becoming aware of.  Paranoia is often attributed to the hatter, yet it is an irony that those who are paid to be paranoid i.e. NSA, FBI, CIA, president,congress are whom the hatter is afraid of.

It is known that aluminium-foil (Just foil from here on out.) can block certain types of radiation, while the blocking of radiation is very limited, and shouldn't be relied on for anything that's truly dangerous.  The blocking of someone else reading your thoughts has not yet been verified.  There is no truth that the foil hat needs any lettuce or cheese to activate it's shielding capacity, but there are some who make this choice for themselves.  (this is called liberty.)

There are many claims that tin-foil-hatters are loony, crazy, or mentally challenged but this appears to not be a prerequisite to join the club.  A healthy suspicion that a government agency might be listening in is not required, but certainly doesn't hurt.  

Many traits from religious belief to investment preferances have been applied to hatters but are not exclusive.  Playfulness does seem to play a part.  If you feel the need to gather with other hatters this may prove to be a bit difficult.  Often perceiving themselves as "flying solo" hatters can be found in concentrations that are truly astounding.  Try looking at comic conventions, micro-brew pubs, book-readings, anywhere the SeaFair pirates are, Seahawks games, and of course the internet for contact.

Tin-foil-hatters do not have any outward secret handshakes, or salutations, as those were taken by the Masons and trekkies.  Mr. Spock's salutation is veiw by many hatters as too commercial for use, but an abreviated finger-wave is often acceptable.

So to all the noob hatters here's a grand fingerwave to you, and welcome.

 

ScottJ's picture

fiat /ˈfēät/Noun

fiat /ˈfēät/Noun

A formal authorization or proposition; a decree.

An arbitrary order.

Synonyms: order - ordinance - decree - command - edict

BagOfGold's picture

Deja Vous...

The New Normal II...

Deja Vu...
 
 
Bag Of Gold
 
 
 

 

DayStar's picture

Harvey's Up!

Philippa Malmgren (former member PPT): The magnitude of the debt held by the U.S. - and indeed, by all of the industrialized economies - is so great, it cannot be paid down.  The major industrialized governments don't have the funds to deliver on promises they've made, so they are going to reach for the public's cash in different ways. Some of it is through higher taxes, and some is through what I would call 'expropriation'. • Bill Kaye: Gold price manipulation may be heavier this week because Chinese markets are closed until Thursday. The reading of price charts in gold, technical analysis, is valuable at best only in the short term and "only because other people look at them." Kaye expects a currency collapse. • Tyler Durden:  The Rupee plunged to 58, the lowest ever against the dollar. The reason for this latest volume casualty - the "stabilizing" hand of the central banks of course.  • Zero Hedge: Europe better hope and pray that the recent unwind in the Japan carry trade, which has been the primary driver for the unprecedented surge in peripheral bonds does not accelerate, and force not only the marginal holders of peripheral bonds, but everyone else to start dumping. In that case not even the threat of unlimited purchases will be enough. • DS: Greece, the basket case, reemerges as a bigger basket.  smiley Tyler Durden: Things in Greece are hopeless and getting worse.  With unemployment levels off the charts, the pension and retirement systems effectively gone and every able-bodied individual (what little remains of them) moving to the shadow economy which now accounts for 24% of GDP, there are few incentives for people to remain on payrolls, pay taxes and otherwise grow the economy.  • Keith Barron: "There is still a significant premium in Shanghai and Vietnam right now, so the drain out of GLD will continue.  • James  McShirley: The last 7 Fridays in a row have seen gold crashes, for an average of $18 per Friday; and gold's entire decline from $1,900 has in fact been largely courtesy of one single trading day - Friday. • Tyler Durden: A record number of American households are now on food stamps (23,116.441), each collecting an average of $274.30 per month. All this and more on...

The Harvey Report!

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/comment/320835#comment-320835

DayStar

 
Just A Regular Guy's picture

From the other thread

For those that missed the live stream the video is up

http://www.modernmoneynetwork.org/mmt-vs-austrian-school.html

Great talk, both guys are great....

DirkDirkler's picture

End the Fed.

End the Fed.

Hammer's picture

It's all about the bonds and

It's all about the bonds and interest rates peeps. The US got upped from negative to stable. Hooray. We are all saved..................huh ?
 
BOJ starts meeting, longer-term loans eyed to curb bond volatility
Kyodo -- Jun 10

The Bank of Japan started a two-day policy meeting Monday, with discussions likely to focus on ways to ease volatility in the government bond market including providing longer-term loans to financial institutions.

The nine-member Policy Board is expected to consider extending the term of its low-interest-rate fund provision operation from up to one year to two years or longer to increase liquidity in the market to contain an unwanted spike in interest rates that could impede an economic recovery.

As for its aggressive monetary easing policy introduced in April, the central bank is likely to keep intact measures centering on doubling the monetary base and boosting the purchase of government bonds.

JY896's picture

@foggyroad

That was a brilliant find, thanks for putting it up here. The original  (?) from reddit is being propagated throughout the web, with many independent reposts and citations. The only thing better than re-posting it is to re-post AND link to it/them -- here area  few places it can be found:

http://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1fv4r6/i_believe_the_government_should_be_allowed_to/caeb3pl

http://pastebin.com/JKgyx6Zq

http://altwire.utne.com/rt/occupy_new/next-story/454e724a324757574a6b775369496f484375427657773d3d

http://gabydunn.com/post/52593019504/complaining-is-my-favorite-pastime-i-live-in-a-country

http://alwaysfaithfulterriblelizard.tumblr.com/post/52591907765/i-live-in-a-country-generally-assumed-to-be-a

http://www.realitista.com/day/2013/06/08/

https://plus.google.com/+EricaJoy/posts/b1bthHLfjQs

http://www.jwz.org/blog/2013/06/everything-is-terrible-2/

If you do a search for the first few lines of the actual text, you will find dozens more. The reason it's important to include a link (aside from the attribution/citation of the author) is to ensure that the reference is picked up by search engines, increasing the likelihood that others can find it. If you agree with the contents, I would urge you to spend a few seconds raising its visibility by doing so. I have opted out of using any of the social networks for their intended purposes for a while now, for (now) obvious reasons, but the above offers a way to do so. Registering a pseudonymous account on Google+ or Facebook via an anonymous proxy is still an option:

I would urge any and all users who don't find the extra slight lag in browser response to be insurmountable to try TOR:

https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en

"Tor protects you by bouncing your communications around a distributed network of relays run by volunteers all around the world: it prevents somebody watching your Internet connection from learning what sites you visit, and it prevents the sites you visit from learning your physical location. Tor works with many of your existing applications, including web browsers, instant messaging clients, remote login, and other applications based on the TCP protocol."

While no protection against full-blown tradecraft, it may save you from getting on some watchlists (though it WILL land you on the list of people using TOR....). Check out 'relay bridges' for how to work around workplaces/ISPs blocking access to TOR network. If you know enough about it to understand, I would urge you to contribute by offering relay and/or exit node bandwidth -- but ONLY do this if you understand what those mean.

But in getting back to foggyroad's quote -- it is, of course, absolutely true. I have personal experience with this, my parents both had extensive dossiers compiled about them by plain, grey men (and women, I suppose)  in plain, grey rooms, deep in the bowels of plain, grey buildings. My grandfather worked as a menial laborer for decades, because he was put on the 'wrong list' -- or rather, his parents were. He had a PhD, yet dug ditches and did yardwork. Governments DO NOT make lists without having specific intent to use them -- and any list made WILL be used for some purpose or another, not necessarily originally intended or planned. Certainly not shared with the population beforehand, let alone being voted on.

The Solzhenitsyn quote about 'burning later, in the camps' at not having done anything at the time, about not having loved freedom enough, is not idle chatter. For all of their faults, and whatever/whomever their 'sponsors' may have been, if any, the Founding Fathers had a pretty good grasp of how freedoms can be subverted, and what must be done to prevent it.

The US has been under a W-declared 'state of emergency' for quite some time now. It's not just for 3rd-world dictatorships and Latin American banana republics anymore -- hasn't been for a long time. In larger part, it is the consequences / logical outcome of this that makes up a large part of the eventuality we are all preparing for accordingly.

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