Turditulation

Hey, no one can accuse me of going down without a fight.

I know that there are people out there that think that all "paper" is going to zero. Maybe it is. What the heck do I know? However, can we all agree that, for gold and silver to go to zero, demand for the physical metal has to go to zero, as well? As gold drops through round-number levels, the price-to-zero argument implies that demand must also be dropping because, as well all learned in Econ 101, price is a simple function of supply vs demand. In the end for price to continue declining, demand must remain low or fall even further until it reaches a point where buyers outnumber sellers and price rebounds.

I mention this for two reasons:

  1. If you truly believe that gold is headed to 1400 or 1200 or 900, then you must also believe that there will not be much demand for physical metal at 1500 or 1300 or 1000. Only an absence of demand can drive price that low.
  2. If, instead, you believe that global demand for physical metal continues, regardless of price, then you must believe (as do I) that physical demand will, eventually, drive the paper price back higher.

There still seem to be quite a few folks who question and/or don't understand the "massive physical orders below $1600" stuff. Let me state this again for clarity: We're not talking about the Comex here. The "massive physical orders" are in London and are getting filled there, not New York. This is how it has always been and this is how it remains. That the price of paper gold in NY affects the purchase price of physical metal in London is the "futures tail wagging the spot dog" that Ned Naylor-Leyland described last summer.

And herein lies the conundrum for The Bullion Banking Cartel. On the Comex, new spec and managed money is emerging daily to short the gold and silver markets. This money is primarily run by HFT WOPRs which are keying off the lousy charts and other technicals. You must also remember that, post-MFG, there 's virtually no one left in the pit to take the other side of the trade so, when the self-fulfilling short algos pile in, the fall in paper price accelerates. Again, though, Econ 101 teaches us that a falling price almost always leads to greater demand and, in this case, it almost certainly is true.

So, paper price is being driven lower by the spec shorts in New York while Cartel metal inventories are being drained by physical orders in London.

If paper price continues lower, the physical depletion in London accelerates and never forget that every ounce taken out of "the system" decreases the "leveragability" of The Cartel by 100 ounces.

Not only MUST the Cartel adjust their net short position to stem the paper drop, the depletion in physical will greatly impact their ability to add shorts back in when the inevitable rebound occurs. What we are left with is this: The Cartels MUST continue to cover shorts and add longs here in order to halt the price trend which is undoubtedly draining their vaults. Additionally, I suspect that they are losing so much physical metal out the back door that their days of outright manipulation and control of price are ending.

And this short covering and long addition is EXACTLY what we are seeing in the CoT. The latest report, basis last Tuesday, was incredibly bullish and keep in mind...it was dated LAST TUESDAY! Since then, price has fallen another $40 in gold and $1.10 in silver (if you include this morning), so we can safely assume that the CoT structure has only improved. For perspective, consider these stats:

CoT Date   Cartel gold net short ratio   Cartel total gold longs    EE silver net short ratio  EE total silver longs

5/8/12                 1.94:1                                     161,037                                   1.39:1                               45,482

2/28/12              2.69:1                                     145,061                                   2.32:1                              33,802

12/27/11              1.97:1                                     162,522                                   1.34:1                              41,224

8/30/11               2.23:1                                     176476                                    2.41:1                              31,944

4/5/11                 2.64:1                                      157327                                    2.69:1                             33,413

Frankly, there's so much information in the little table above that I don't know where to start. Let's simply point out this: For silver, since the EE peak and near signal failure of April 2011, the net short ratio has fallen from 2.69:1 to 1.39:1. This is remarkable and clearly indicative of the trend by the EE to exit their long-held net short position. Ultimately the question is, will they add shorts again on the next rebound, similar to the period of 12/27/11 to 2/28/12? Who knows but with ongoing investigations, lawsuits, trading losses and physical depletion, it would certainly seem to behoove JPM et al to NOT try it again.

Just a little more CoT perspective, from Unlce Ted. The cumulative gold net short position is just 151,400 contracts a/o last Tuesday. This is the lowest since early 2009 when gold was near $900. In silver, the EE net short position is just 17,900 contracts. The only time in the past decade when the EE net short position was at this bullish of an extreme was on the 12/27/11 reporting date noted above. A few more nuggets for Uncle Ted:

  • In gold, the 4 main bullion banks covered 12,000 contracts last week alone and their net short position is now just barely above 100,000 contracts. This is the lowest it has been since 2007 and sub-$700 gold.
  • Since the latest top on 2/28/12, the Cartel has bought back 100,000 net contracts or 10,000,000 ounces in notional terms. That's $16B in gold!!
  • JPM's net silver short position is now around 12,000 contracts and likely lower, given the action of late last week. This means they've essentially cut their own net short position in half since late February.
  • The EE having returned their net short position to 12/27 levels means that they sold the equivalent of 150,000,000 ounces on the way up between 12/27 and 2/28 and now they have bought back the entire 150,000,000 ounces on the way down.

So, anyway, what's the point? It's this: Yes, the "price" of gold and silver might go lower still. However, stable/increasing demand at these lower prices is serving to drain the vaults of The Cartels. They are rapidly covering shorts and adding longs in an attempt to stem this tide of declining price and inventory. Eventually, a massive short squeeze will happen. The bottom will be in and price will stabilize at a level higher than where we are currently. The key will then be: What happens next?

  1. The Cartels resume shorting into the rally and begin to rebuild a massive net short position.
  2. The Gold Cartel decreases or even abandons their price-capping efforts permanently. In silver, The EE may even go flat or net long. Ted's "raptors" are already net long 16,800 contracts, by the way.

From where will this bottom materialize. Of course, it's impossible to say for sure but I believe we are very, very close. In the end, though, it hardly matters. Just keep stacking. The next phase of this bull market in metal is going to be breathtaking. Be ready.

Have a great day!  TF

Comments

Lisbon's picture

croc987

Thank you for the nice words ( i hope you are right ).

I wish that we all could be ok but i sense that this time it's different.

The global debt is so huge that i'm afraid this is not ending well this time.

But hope must be the last one to die.

Peace

recaptureamerica's picture

Oh yeah... Banned from securities.

proformatrillionaire's picture

@ recaptureamerica

I know all about Blodget. His only problem is that he is 20 years too old. What he did was child's play compared to what goes on today. 

recaptureamerica's picture

Bye bye Ron Paul..he quit

Looking for votes..
Too bad..he would've had my vote
http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/14/ron-paul-ends-his-hunt-votes/

eyeswideopen's picture

Will .Gov save JPM?

I think it's a mistake to assume JPM cannot fail.

The criminality has slowly been going mainstream, and is now reaching more people than ever.  Folks who are in R.E. distress, those who have 401's and IRA's, Gov. employees, and others who are simply feeling the squeeze are beginning to pay attention, and realize that shit is getting out of control.

Not saying there's some massive awakening, simply that momentum is building as folks begin to put 2 & 2 together.

I've chimed in several times about "brushfires".   The MF Global debacle is not understood by the mainstream, nor are the manipulations in the various markets, the skimming of pension funds, or the sale of worthless mortgage instruments, however,  bank closings/mergers, the manufacturing  of mortgage documents, paying excessive credit card and bank fees, and the billions in profits made by the banks are.   The lawsuits and legal entanglements of one particular entity (guess who?) is growing by the week. The MF Global thing, I believe, is going to become a bigger mainstream story. The Blythe sighting is beginning to make more sense. Mr. Dimon may have been convincing to some, however, the financial world smells blood. No doubt other players are digging deep to find "off the radar" ways to game them.

JPM is a "screaming buy at 36"  says MSM. Where have I heard that number before?    I'm waiting for a large holder of JPM to dump their .07% and take the elevator down.

MOPE has little effect on the informed, and is beginning to fail in its' attempts to persuade the general public.

Brilliant as usual Pining. 

Turd Ferguson's picture

For SW

MODERATOR

I really don't mind you constantly disagreeing with me. Perfectly fine. Just don't try to mislead folks.

I did not just come up with a "specious assumption" this morning, after talking to Jim Willie. I've been spouting this latest speciousness for some time now, some of the reasoning and background coming from Andrew Maguire. A sample post laying this out in detail was made last Wednesday:

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/blog/3773/turd-backwardation

But whatever. You're certainly correct about the overall trend. I just happen to think that the trend will be shifting soon.

Response to: Turd
Excalibur's picture

Horrible coin, good story

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/investing/9264801/Investors-rush-to-buy-Kate-Middletons-gold-engagement-coin-to-counter-the-euro-volatility.html

Commemorative coin for Royal Wedding 2011

 "The global economic and political changes over the past two months has had a direct impact on customers wanting to safeguard a proportion of their cash by putting it into bullion coins".

These are obviously new people coming into the market. The trickle could turn into a cascade overnight. When the average citizen loses confidence in the currency, it'll be game over and the panic will start.  All the coins will be gone in a day.  That's what we need to remember more than the current price action. Be very happy that you have your stack in place.

brokerk22's picture

Trend

Saying the trend is down is not saying anything.  A two year old can see that.

mje173's picture

Marblesonac

Thanks for the condescending tone. I really look up to you now.

So, while you're stacking silver, I'm playing the paper market. It goes up, it goes down. As long as I make more fiat than I started out with, then I'm great.

All I'm saying is that if it is true, and Greece has to post hundreds of billions tomorrow, tomorrow might be an important day. If you're holding PAPER and not PHYSICAL, because we're not all wanting to hold bullion, then you should propably hedge your risk and SELL.

Smart ass.

Orange's picture

Thanks Lisbon

Excellent post and music. Could you provide us with some understanding as to what the Portuguese think about their current state of affairs and if they would want to exit the Euro and perhaps stay in the EU.

recaptureamerica's picture

Excalibur, some good info in

Excalibur, some good info in that article..thank you

debtless's picture

My first big Ag purchase....

Was back in Nov 2008 (though i had been in/traded metals prior) I bought 1000 oz from NWTmint for $11.11 per. Ahhhh, the good old days of just 3 1/2 years ago. That's when the fun really started to get hot. After the spring heights of '08 from $20....for those who remember. Then in Sept/Oct the world began to fall apart and every asset plunged. The pig was on its way to 88. Feels like we're sorta on the brink of that again.

Remember that the end of the world trade is only good once.

recaptureamerica's picture

Earthquakes Before The Price

Earthquakes Before The Price Eruption In Silver Coming
http://edegrootinsights.blogspot.com/2012/05/earthquakes-before-price-er...

Marblesonac's picture

mje173

If a company gets rid of a losing division, is it stronger or weaker?

I wouldn't bet too much on that weaker Euro because Greece will default theory.

It goes like Greece defaults, gets removed from the Euro, the Euro goes up.  Greece won't get kicked out tomorrow though.  Shouldn't be longer than 3 months though.

As far as trading in this market,  best of luck.  Range bound volatile markets are the best for making money, but this one is a little tricky.

I saw a well known commodity trader talking about silver.  They said they tried over two hundred algos to trade silver.  The ONLY one that worked (at that time) was to just hold it.  Not sure if that strategy still works today.

If you do trade, don't bitch about your losses here...you're more than welcome to brag on your winnings though.

Groaner's picture

Paul.. now he can concentrate on going after the big Fish FED!

Take them down Paul!

Orange's picture

Just a thought Turd

Turdville seems to be gaining more and more international Turdittes. What comes to light to me is that the EE controls the world, making wars here and there to their benefit but never to the locals. Personally, I went to a University that had 47 different nationalities. I found it refreshing to learn different opinions and cultures, while growing up.

Fast forward to today, Turdville offers people all over the world to communicate and understand one another. I recall either facebook or twitter people in Israel and Arab countries connecting and saying we love you and do not want war.

Governments, the media, special interests, etc. force people to hate, when in fact that is not a normal human behavior.

Thinking out of the box, perhaps people like Lisbon, could invite more Portuguese to join. If they need a forum in Portuguese, for those who do not speak English, perhaps that would help. Google translator, could perhaps create links to those that may not understand Portuguese or for that matter Mandarin, or whatever language.

The end goal would be a better understanding of all nationalities of what is truly happening.

apex101's picture

ERIC DE GROOT

Am i the only one who doesn't understand Eric De Grotts Technical analysis? I never know what the hell that guy is talking about.

recaptureamerica's picture

Apex, no you're not.. I admit

Apex, no you're not.. I admit it.. I have no clue either..

Ircsum's picture

Rickards - Stimulus

From 'Currency Wars' it would appear that Obama's (brain-dead) economic advisors claimed that every dollar of stimulus would result in output increasing by $1.54...based on part of Keynsian theory relating to the 'multiplier' effect'. Following said stimulus more robust studies showed that the 'multiplier effect' was less than 1, so output actually decreased, more significantly with the passage of time.

My take on this is that the benefits of QE are purely illusory & short-lived (markets rise, then fall back), with the pain of reduced output to follow. If Obama/the Fed had any integrity they would refuse to embark on further easing........however, integrity has become an endangered species in recent times.

mje173's picture

LOL

If Greece exits the Euro, that will cause the HFTs around the world to sell EUR and buy USD. A strong USD, as we all know, means weak metals.

In the long term, you are not necessarily correct. A Greek exit could cause further trouble in the Eruopean Union, putting pressure on Spain, Italy, Portugal, and Ireland. Not to mention Belgium and France. All of these things are short-term negative for the EUR, therefore positive for the USD, and in turn negative for Gold and Silver.

If you hold physical, who cares, right?

If you hold paper, sell today at 3:59PM, wait for the news, and if it is indeed BAD news, then just buy back that paper at a huge discount tomorrow morning. Profit.

Your sarcasm isn't really bringing anything to the table. So, please, stop flaming me for just pointing out the obvious to other turdites. We're all on the same team here. Have a nice day.

silverstax's picture

For those wondering if the bottom is in....

I think this quote from Embry's latest interview is the best advice anyone can give - print it and stick it above your monitor wink

Trying to pick a bottom is always a difficult thing to do.  Put it this way, you’re a lot closer to a significant bottom than you are to a top.

Source:

http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2012/5/14_Embry_-_This_is_One_of_the_Greatest_Statements_of_All-Time.html

Kuchek's picture

Dr. Paul quitting?

In one word.. NO. He is simply not wasting money in primary states. He is still moving forward in gaining delegates in the Caucus states etc. He likely WON AZ, OK and VA this weekend. Don't fall for the spin folks! He is scaring the crap outta the establishment. Looking forward to seeing him speak again at the MN State convention this weekend as a Delegate myself. Four years ago they would not let his supporters into the convention. The tide is turning. A reckoning is coming.

http://www.dailypaul.com/233257/message-from-ron-paul-5-14-2012

tmosley's picture

@excalibur Why does that coin

@excalibur

Why does that coin have a picture of Beavis and Butthead about to kiss?

lol

recaptureamerica's picture

So S&P is now below key

So S&P is now below key support of 1340.? Now what?

S&P 500 (^GSPC) -SNP
1,338.35 15.04(1.11%) 4:03PM EDT
Add to Portfolio

RaRaRasputin's picture

Word from Bix

I have long stated that the CFTC was waiting for the blame to be placed on the banking cabal before they went in and charged
JP Morgan with Silver Market Manipulation. JP Morgan did not announce their derivative losses last week without serious
pressure to do so. And now, having done so before their trade was closed out, watch how fast the additional losses add up.
This is even being reported in the Mainstream Media:
 
http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=IYzvw&m=3VmJd76b5JAZ85B&b=MBKrrDroRAGtQImzwrC9pg
 
This is no ordinary event. JP Morgan is the GRAND MASTER of market manipulators....ESPECIALLY SILVER!!! There are many more
problems for JPM that are going to come out over the next few weeks/months and don't forget that they are the LARGEST 
COUNTER PARTY on all derivative transactions with over $70 Trillion in notional value. Like I've said before, when they go
down they will take the rest of the world with them.
 
My friends, this is the End Game. We are living through it. It began in March with the Greek default and it will run until
the total electronic monetary system implodes. Every checking, savings, 401k, stock, bond, etc...GONE. Almost everything
that we call an "asset" today is merely an electronic entry in a grand Ponzi-like system. It is a global lie that has run
it's course.
 
This latest revelation into "derivative problems" is STRIKE TWO for the multi-quadrillion dollar financial meltdown.
As Clif High predicted there will be THREE STRIKES before the Weapon of Mass Financial Destruction detonates.
Watch for the THIRD STRIKE to hit before the end of June.
 
Hold on to your physical silver with both hands and keep it far away from the implosion of everything else.
 
Metal in you own possession is the only monetary instrument that will survive what lies ahead.
 
May the Road you choose be the Right Road.
 
Bix Weir
www.RoadtoRoota.com
recaptureamerica's picture

ZH just posted about S&P

Deja Deja Deja Etc. As S&P 500 Closes Below 50DMA First Time Since November

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/deja-deja-deja-etc-sp-500-closes-below-50d...

Excalibur's picture

Fun graph with the brown stuff at the end

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Groaner's picture

We need to get Bix and Hoffman in the same room.

They are both over the top.  Very well could be the end game coming right before our eyes.

Pull out all your fiat in every part of the Fraud Street and banking system and convert to metal.

garrylindsay's picture

Silver Weaton just got clobbered, wow

I guess everybody assumes buying Silver from a miner for $28 and selling it for $28 is not such a good business model!

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