CSI: Comex. The Gold and Silver Massacre

As with most crime scenes, evidence can be difficult to uncover. First, you have to know where to look for the evidence. Then, how do you build a case if the only evidence you find is circumstantial? Well, your humble correspondent is willing to give it a try.

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With deference to our legal department (CALawyer), it would seem that the first component of the investigation is the search for motive. Does JPM, et al (aka The Cartel aka The EE) have the motive to attack and slaughter the gold and silver markets?

  • The total Cartel net short position in gold has risen from 160,000 contracts at year end 2011 to 229,000 contracts last week. This is an increase of 43% while gold had risen in price by nearly 15% over the same time period.
  • The total Cartel net short position in silver has risen from 14,000 contracts at year end 2011 to 39,000 contracts last week. This is an increase of 178% while silver had risen in price by nearly 30% over the same time period.
  • As of Tuesday evening, February 28, gold was threatening to overtake critical resistance at $1800 and, if successful, would surely accelerate its rapid ascent.
  • As of Tuesday evening, February 28, silver had broken through critical resistance at $36 on heavy volume and was trading above $37. A move toward $40 was imminent.

Were there any witnesses to the crime? Even if it's heresay, enough corroborating, eyewitness testimony can turn a circumstantial case into a successful prosecution.

  • Exhibit A - The information posted by Turdite "Goldmania3000". In it, GM3 lays out a series of detailed conversations he had with his broker and floor broker at the time of the crime yesterday: http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/comment/135841#comment-135841
  • Exhibit B - The Prosecution received several emails yesterday similar to the one below. This particular one came from a Turdite who chose to remain nameless: "I was wondering if you have heard about the rumor going around that a group of ex jpm traders are trying to corner the silver market to crush JPM.  Todays action is allegedly JPM fighting back.   Not sure of the validity, I heard it from our broker who is usually a pretty reliable source concerning the PMs.  Somebody told me they too heard it from another source.  Just wondering if you know anything about this."

Lastly, the circumstantial, physical evidence. At the crime scene, did the perpetrators leave behind any clues? Like any villain, our criminals may try to cover their tracks but, sometimes, a complete cover-up is impossible.

  • In gold yesterday, the total open interest fell by a massive 17,303 contracts. This drop was entirely due to the closing of positions in the April12 contract where the open interest declined by 17,991, from 270,183 to 252,192. The next delivery month, June12, saw its OI rise from 65,492 to 65,522.
  • In silver yesterday, the total open interest fell by a tiny 1,039 contracts. A drop in the May12 OI from 65,443 to 64,280 making up the vast majority of the change.

Combining this evidence, the prosecution hereby summarizes it's case:

  • In an attempt to crush gold and negatively impact silver, The Cartel (led by JPM) liquidated at least 10,000 April12 gold contracts yesterday. They did so in a hurried fashion, not concerned about efficient execution, in a blatant attempt to set off a cascading, "waterfall" selloff in gold. It worked, again, as gold fell nearly $100 at its worst.
  • They were also successful in creating a huge, sympathetic selloff in silver. However, total open interest in silver only declined by 1000 contracts, even though price declined by over $2.

The Honorable and Decent Magistrate (Turd) declares his verdict:

The Gold and Silver Bullion Banking Cartels are hereby declared GUILTY of tampering and manipulating the precious metals markets with the malicious intent of falsely creating fear in investors and hoping that, through the creation of this fear, gold and silver will fall farther and The Cartels will be able to successfully extricate themselves from the substantial net short positions they have acquired by attempting to suppress and contain price rallies through the first two months of 2012.

Sentencing:

All evil conspirators and co-conspirators shall be defrocked, flogged and humiliated in the public square. They shall then be sent to Van Diemen's Land where they shall spend the rest of their days wailing and grinding their teeth while being to forced to watch endless reruns of "Full House" and "Barney & Friends". This sentence must be carried out at once, without appeal, before The Evil Ones are able to amount a follow-up assault on their true target, silver. With open interest still near 115,000, The Honorable and Decent Magistrate fears that it is only a matter of time before The Convicted attempt another crime.

Se ordena, declara y decreta

Comments

bellyacre's picture

FIRST

First again today??????

Much4Him's picture

Their Sentence!

DooM for Fiat!

kingboo's picture

Turd!! i mean third........

third

erikbenz's picture

Thurd

Thurd

Henry Frap's picture

RIP Andrew

And RIP to Andrew Breitbart-    :(

Dr G's picture

Man, I missed first again.

Man, I missed first again. I loved this post. Well written and full of Turd's humor. JPM is guilty!

Buy Silver = Bye, JPM.

​And here we stand, 24 hours later, with silver up almost $2 off it's lows of yesterday and up 2.5% in this trading session. Who is bidding? Is it the group of ex-JPMers? Is Blythe herself sucking in more longs in preparation for another beat down after the BLSBS is released?

These are questions that need to be answered.

lamare's picture

102 RESIGNATIONS FROM WORLD BANKS 2/29/12

Our bankers are leaving the sinking ship en masse:

http://americankabuki.blogspot.com/2012/02/updated-22912-thanks-kauilapele-for.html

-:-

UPDATED 3/01/12
Removed duplicate entry for Nomura, added 2 more resignations. Updated links to Sri Lanka and Ukraine to better web sites (thanks to Rockingjude for links). Changed text URLs to be active URLs.

UPDATED 2/29/12

Note: I have extensively edited this list, re-verified links, shortened URLs to make this list more readable. Its grown very rapidly over the past week and was getting unwieldy in its prior form.  In some cases certain middle eastern bankers and European private bankers have managed to have their names removed from smaller blogs and news sites so I have updated those cases to larger news organizations less likely to bow to pressure. At the time of this posting all URLs listed work, I do not guarantee they always will.  I have also added missing names (in bold) and those URLSs where more than one person was resigning I expanded the item to have one line each, since everyone who copies this to their blogs (wow did this spread far and wide!) views each instance as one banker resigning I thought I'd make this listing more reflect that viewpoint.  I do not know under what circumstances these individuals have left their positions, I make no judgement on that. I just find the timing of so many resignations extremely curious and a bit of temporal marker in history of very high significance.

-:-

Groaner's picture

Who really believe in Idiot Waves?

I had a friend who lost his shirt in gold futures when Pretchart was short on gold since $350.. He has been short ever since. I am sure the Idiot waves predicted that $100 drop in gold.

I have no use for that mumbo jumbo.

Sad to see Alf Fields use that nonsense

http://www.jsmineset.com/

Dr G's picture

Those idiot waves for

Those idiot waves for Alf have been spot on in calling retracements (down to $10-15 in gold) as far as I can tell. I also think it is hokey, but the data for Alf doesn't lie.

Groaner's picture

Turd,, Great write up.

The question is, what do we do now? 

GoldMania3000's picture

Follow-up from the RJOBRIEN Broker

Yesterday’s sizeable retracement was largely publicized to be a reaction to Federal Chairman Bernanke downplaying a third round of quantitative easing; however, this was only a supporting factor.   Our brokers in the pit relayed to us in a timely fashion, that JP Morgan acting on behalf of an international fund sold, 10,000 gold contracts or 1 million ounces of gold.  I say they sold gold with disregard for the markets health.

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This chart is the 1-minute perpetual gold futures chart. The red lines at the bottom is the volume (number of contracts traded).  This chart shows that the average volume prior to and after this ‘gold dump’ was around 1000 contracts per minute.   At 9:47 central time on 2/29 the volume spiked to 11,000 contracts and the market fell from $1763 to $1741.  I assert that this was the catalyst resulting in the continued downward pressure that eventually left gold testing $1684.40 before rebounding.   Had these extra 10,000 contracts hit the market in an orderly fashion over a period of 15 minutes they may have been absorbed without the impact that left gold with a $97.80 daily trading range.  Of course gold is not the only metal that felt the impact, as silver fell in tandem.  Silver, in a sympathetic fashion, fell $3.76 from the daily high of $37.88  to a low of $33.825.

At the moment, gold is trading around $1720, up $9 from yesterday’s close.  We are looking to re-enter this market after the $100 retracement but would like to see a day of stability.    Say tuned!

Dr G's picture

Mexican Billionaire Hugo

Mexican Billionaire Hugo Salinas-Price on KWN. For me, this is a great interview, and one with somebody that Eric doesn't usually reach out to. HSP acknowledges that central banks smashed the price of gold through MANIPULATION.

I quote: "when I see that kind of collapse in gold, I know it's not the natural market doing that. Nobody getting rid of their gold and silver is going to dispose of it in that manner. They are going to do it little by little.

"This seller was definitely not interested in losses, what they were interested in was suppressing the price."

Hmm, sounds like I've heard that before. I just can't remember where...

"They did so in a hurried fashion, not concerned about efficient execution, in a blatant attempt to set off a cascading, "waterfall" selloff in gold," says Turd.

Oh yeah, from Turd, that's where. Spot on the money.

ReachWest's picture

Jury Duty

I was hoping to be selected for Jury Duty on this case, but got to the end of the article and noted that sentencing had already been undertaken. Swift and efficient justice. All hail - the great Turd!

JohnH's picture

What will stop the cartel from doing this for a long, long time?

Hi, Turd,

Maybe this would be a good time to review why you believe that gold and silver will rise, despite the manipulation. I have been questioning myself on this a lot lately, and would like to hear your thoughts. 

Groaner's picture

I have been turned off since

I have been turned off since my friend kept giving my Pretcharts info on why gold should be going down.. I did not short gold like my friend. But I stayed out and lost about a $100 run and that was huge back then. I finally turned him off and stayed long.. made a few bucks. I wish I knew about stacking silver back then.. $4.75 an ounce

Colonel Angus's picture

We need to get the banksters in jail...

...and yes, I know that Max Keiser prefers to "hang a banker a week" until they clean their act up. I'd rather have them where we can take pictures of them, showing what it is like to be a love slave to Bubba. And to remind other banksters that this can be your fate if you decide to run afoul of the law again. Do I expect this to happen? Well, with the recent administrations (and I'm including Obama, George the 43rd, Clinton, George the 41st here) I don't think it will happen. But if we get a man like Ron Paul in...

...I keep telling everyone that I want to vote for Thomas Jefferson and that Andrew Jackson could work for me too. Does anyone really want someone of substance in office, or is it all about the dog and pony show? Don't answer that. It will only depress me.

Dr G's picture

@JohnH, I'm not speaking for

@JohnH, I'm not speaking for Turd, but I'm sure he believes the price will rise despite manipulation because it has been doing so this entire bull market. As he has said (and I think it's a brilliant analysis), central banks and the Cartel members cannot keep the price of the metals down, they can only hope to manage their ascent. 

That often means 2 steps forward, 1 step back. Look at silver. Capped at 34.40 for a long time. They a huge move through it. Then a manipulation event. Still ahead of 34.40 at this point. That's how we roll.

LaMachinna's picture

ohhhhhhhh, Piningggggg

Do what you just must do!  cool

I Run Bartertown's picture

Still unclear to me

If they are afraid, and they had reduced shorts to 13k, why go back up to 22k contracts? In a pure fear 'GTFO of this trade' scenario, I don't see why they would. It appears (to my untrained eye) that their 'fear' is, at best, battling their greed...

I've never expected regulators to turn on their EE owners, I never expected PAGE to be untainted by the same crowd, but I have generally expected physical demand realities to blow up the paper-short game eventually...I don't see anything short of industrial buyer or $-flight type of panic really changing anything...

laws and elections are the assets of others, not solutions of mine...

Will physical reality intervene? If you say yes, do we really have much to base that on?

Be Prepared's picture

The Onslaught of Pirates!

That's was happened.... the Pirates of JPM threw these contracts on the pyre to cause an inferno and it did..... 

Who throws thousands of contracts into the market at the exact same time?  No client would let themselves be used this way..... no..... JPM was doing this action under their own book.....  They had shorted the market and the cost of pump prime was easily worth the downside.... why else do this?

Well, to make a point..... to back up their buddy, Benny Boo Boo, who says gold is a relic of tradition.... to tell FU to Ron Paul for even daring to bring a piece of Sound Money into the sacred halls of the inner sanctum.... Congress......  

They control all the doors and own all the keys.... we may no longer be part of the matrix, but it still runs the world around us.

_____________________________________________________

Pining's Campaign -  Gold is going to fall.... Silver is going to fall.... We are depressed.... distraught.... discombobulated.... disemboweled....disinfranchised....disinterested....dis-to-infinity and beyond.... how'd that you effing HFT algo...

Edit: ​They should be sentenced to the Seventh Circle of Hell where the fleas of a thousand camels will infest every orifice for a thousand years.

ReachWest's picture

Hand of the Central Bankers

Once again - I am a simple stacker, but here is my thinking ..

I am constantly battling the concept that what the Cartel is doing here with Silver, makes little to no sense. Why not extricate themselves from the short positions and take the long side of the trade? - surely the writing is on the wall as to where Silver (and Gold) is going over the long term.

I then have to kick myself, as I realize - this is purely about MOPE. The Cartel is nothing more than the "hand" of the Central Bankers - they must control the Metals in order to continue validating their digital money. The Cartel, no doubt, has unlimited access to money from the Fed and the ECB - so - if they lose Billions or Trillions - who cares - The Fed will just give them more.

I know this is an unsophisticated, over-simplification, but I think it's valid at the root level.  Anyway - I don't see the manipulation ending until outside forces simply overwhelm it. And - the tiny Silver market is the best avenue to do this - so they will defend it at all costs.

captaj's picture

best friends

They were so affRAID of a boating accident that they just had to unload all that gold. Good thing old Ben gave them a call the night before. I think if there is a court case, the tax payer will be footing the bill. Who are the terrorists again?

I Run Bartertown's picture

Also, Re: gutting TriCare

My first thought was about the despicable little chicago street hustler,

but then I accepted (despite all the conditioning to 'support the troops')

that they are miserably failing to fulfill their oath. They are over there dicking around in the desert while domestic enemies hold every seat of power in the nation. When they start fragging the domestic-enemy politicians, I'll support the troops.

jrobb316's picture

That's not a fair sentence.

That's not a fair sentence.  Candace Cameron was looking pretty good toward the end of Full House.

See video

The sentance begins at 0:55

Irene's picture

This punishment does not fit the crime

We currently live in a society where our leaders have decided that the best way to deploy resources is to break the markets.

Our best and brightest are educated not to produce, but to instigate transfer payments....to themselves and their friends.

This ain't gonna last.  Keeping on stacking!

Chepo's picture

Me gusta el decreto

Just need to be reinforced.

Groaner's picture

I wonder what was going through the Bernank's mind

when Ron Paul showed him the ounce of silver and said how it bought 4 gallons of gas, and now it bought 10.

I think he was ready to explode!

SRSrocco's picture

GOLD & SILVER DISCONNECT FROM THE DOW

Today we got back to REALITY again.  Turd did a great job showing what happened yesterday.  Funny, as GOLD and SILVER got clobbered big time yesterday, Silver hit a new 7 month high in INDIA...LOL.  We are truly insane here in the states. 

Here is a nice chart of the DISCONNECT of GOLD and SILVER from the DOW JONES today:

Also, I don't know if any of you read Scott Pluschau article titled SILVER GETS BLOWN OUT.  While he is still somewhat bullish he states that if silver goes below $33.50 then we have to get ready for BEARISH trades.  I wrote Scott an email telling him the inspiration for my COMING PARADIGM SHIFT IN SILVER article was due to the huge volume of lousy analysis on the internet when it came to silver.  He is a typical example of this in spades.

That being said, I wanted to change the subject to energy.  We are witnessing the end of the United States dominance in the oil market.  WTIC crude hit $110 a barrel today while Brent Crude (the Real price of global oil) hit $126 a barrel.  Things are falling apart faster than JOE BAG OF DOUGHNUTS realizes.

If we look at the price of NAT GAS today it fell 5.2% to close at below $2.50 a MCF.  Just unfricken believable.  Of course production is still increasing and I would imagine if there were another $5-10 billion of investment money coming from more SUCKERS the price of NAT GAS might even be given away for FREE.  So as we see, the insanity continues.

Here is the funny part... Even though we have produced record amounts of NAT GAS, we still have to import the damn stuff...LOL.  Take a look at the charts below:

So here we can see that actual marketable NAT GAS Production in Dec 2011 was 2,139,177 million cubic feet.  Consumption in DEC 2011 was 2,514,909 million cubic feet and NAT GAS imports that same month were 301,257 million cubic feet (MCF).

Of course there is more demand for NAT GAS in the winter, but if you notice the electric generation column, you will notice that more natural gas is consumed in the summer than in the winter.  Anyhow, I doubt U.S. domestic natural gas production rates will continue at the present price of $2.48 mcf.  The EROI of Shale gas is so much lower than conventional gas.  On top of that, if you decide that you want to export it as LNG, then you have to spend more money to make LNG and of course we have the shipping cost.

The ENERGY MARKET is about to go insane due to the end of FIAT MONEY.  The only reason why there are NITWITS investing in Shale Gas is because they have this digital money in their account.  What happens to capital when fiat money dies?  What happens to future investment flows when 401k's, Pension Plans, IRA's, CD's, Money Market Funds, Treasuries and Bonds implode?  Where will the investment money come from to FUND further exploration and production of GAS and OIL? 

You can bet GOLD and SILVER holders will be KINGS at this time.  The only downside I see is if the whole system collapses and surviving becomes more important that bragging about how much gold and silver one owns.   Regardless, it's best to own it as you may be the only ones in your area with real INVESTMENT CAPITAL.

GOD HATH A SENSE OF HUMOR...

ggnewmex's picture

Reality??

By now everyone has saw the article, I believe on ZH in reference to the MF'Global fiasco, and that you are all aware that the "crime" is collapsing as the evidence just is not there. LOL, Who would have guessed!! 1.5B + in customers money, GONE, and no one knows anything, and therefore, the fine is supposedly 140,000$$.  There, that is what they feel about all of you!!.  Lets see, how many people lost money, 10,000?? ( sorry I forgot) if this wasn't a fine, that would be about 14$$ for each of you.

How does that make you feel?

Combine with the fact that the Bank of Israel is buying US securities, and noooo, there will be no collusion....

It is so obvious this thing is soooo crooked!!  Surely the media will not report on it. At what point to I shake my head, and just put my money back into stocks?  Which is what they want anyway??  ( I am trapped in my 401K and unless I leave my job, cannot get my money out.. just plain stuck!)

Oh well, better days ahead!!

GG

JY896's picture

Haven't we gotten past the Wynter B. theories already

TF, I love ya man, but this one is a bit TOO thin:

"I was wondering if you have heard about the rumor going around that a group of ex jpm traders are trying to corner the silver market to crush JPM. Todays action is allegedly JPM fighting back. Not sure of the validity, I heard it from our broker who is usually a pretty reliable source concerning the PMs. Somebody told me they too heard it from another source. Just wondering if you know anything about this."

I can dig a good anonymous source as well as the next guy, but this sounds a lot to me like (poorly disguised) active misinfo. Tell a lie enough times, and all that. Possible? Sure, ANYTHING is possible these days. Evidence? No.

Off the wall theory - position limits approaching (however glacial, however loophole-ridden), so major concentrated position holders are testing the mechanism of transferring contracts from one pocket to the other, while appearing to have divested themselves of over-large positions.

Creates churn, volatility, commissions for CRIMEX, burned investors, hedge for any newly created short positions, fear/aversion of PMs, distrust in any sound money advocates -- what's not to like?

Probably some naive, over-simple assumptions in all the above, but interested in more learned viewpoints.

meegoreng1's picture

Great Post Turd!

A well thought of post and great humor in the end. Let me try some.

Yesterday was a gut wrenching day for all of us.

Ber-MONKEY spoke to the WOLVES in sheep clothing (Congress) taking advantage of the sleeping KOALAS (CFTC).   

Meanwhile, the laughing HYENA (J Pee Morgue) send its VAMPIRE (Blythe) to smash some PMs.  What to do then?

Well, I took advantage  of the discount in prices and bought a MONSTER box of EAGLES!

Even the ultimate FISH face has this to to say about gold:

Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the ‘hidden’ confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights.
Alan Greenspan

OutLookingIn's picture

Guilty as Charged on ALL Counts!

The blogosphere is all a "twitter" (pun intended) today, about yesterdays 'drive by', perpetrated on our beloved gold and silver pricing. It will work for them until it doesn't! I can't wait for that day to come, it can't come too fast.

The amount of corruption and sheer audacity of these crooks, to commit their crimes in broad daylight and on the global financial stage, should enrage any honest regulator or overseer to severe and quick action for justice.

Anyone? Are you there? Hello? Guess not. 

As far as Bart Chilton is concerned, his actions speak louder than his words! I thought that maybe we had a voice on the CFTC in him, but this has not been the case. Instead he throws bones to the masses in an attempt to placate them, in the way of empty words. Facta Non Verba. The SEC is and has been, an empty entity for a long time. Again, prosecuting some small time insider traders, while conveniently ignoring the robbery that occurs in broad daylight, all around them! The for private profit CME group is just as bad. Watching while client accounts are stolen by the MF'ing G'ers then telling them that their assets have "vaporized"!   

Nothing will change. Don't look for it. Ain't going to happen. As George said "its a big club and you ain't in it!"

adrock's picture

FLASH: Obama Certificate Called FORGERY

while your playing CSI .... back on the birth certificate saga ....

PHOENIX — Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio said Thursday he suspects the birth certificate President Obama released last year is a “computer-generated forgery” — and also raised questions about the authenticity of the president’s Selective Service card.

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=202816

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/1/sheriff-arpaio-obama-birth-certificate-forgery/

http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2012/02/vital-records-indicate-obama-not-born_29.html

Maradona's picture

Question for Don Turd and the guys here

What about the Chinese and Asian being shorting the market all this time?, since they are the ones that are in need of physical, remember that China posses only 2% physical as a reserve. China, Russia, etc wants to replace the dollar as we know, so they will introduce a new currency that need to be backed for something tangible, so if they short the metals they can buy them back cheaper and dump the dollar at the same time..and accumulate all the physical possible until they reach their amount required. 

in the meanwhile....

What about the US wants higher prices of metals now or short term, so our government can do a reset on the dollar sooner than later and introduce a new dollar backed by metals but with $6000 gold and $300 silver (or something close)?, Then, 1. the US can save the dollar, 2. Can paid the debt with new gold/silver backed dollars, 3. get out of the depression and     4. extend for some more decades the control of the world economy. 

What do you think?

Dr Jerome's picture

Yes, I am waiting for Pining!

La Machinna,

You must be  thinking what I am thinking?

ink's picture

Turd, question

Great analysis. But now we REALLY need to know more about the emails describing "the rumor going around that a group of ex jpm traders are trying to corner the silver market to crush JPM."
 
Is this what you referred to yesterday when you said: "Silver is going much, much higher from here. Later this week, we will discuss some extraordinary, new fundamentals that will drive prices."?
 
Edit: spot closes 1717.70. Somehow that must be a lucky number, right?
TonyTFM's picture

Silver lease rates?

Great analysis.  But since they're probably going to let the MF Global thieves (who stole billions) get away with a $140K fine, I doubt that it will ever go to trial.

You mentioned a while that whenever silver lease rates are super low (they're at -0.489 today), that a major correction might come up.  I'm wondering what everyone's thoughts are about another raid (in silver) sometime soon.  Any ideas?

Tony

I Run Bartertown's picture

In the aftermath of the crime

I volunteer my services as "Chastiser in Chief" for our very own 'evildoers'.

I take my inspiration from the great one (When the Church held the line - none of this 'money for africa'/ promote obamacare nonsense)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom%C3%A1s_de_Torquemada

My tools will be the classics (I'm a traditionalist at heart):

 The Spanish Tickler

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The Rack
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But, despite setting the stage for Spain's rise to greatness and Colonial dominance,

my man was a bit soft:

"Records from the Vatican and other sources indicate only 2 to 3 percent of those tried were executed. " http://www.ehow.com/about_4567840_spanish-inquisition-torture-devices.html

I'll do better, I promiseangel.

SilverWealth's picture

Turd

One other thing unless someone else mentioned it. i posted this on the Pailin site early today -

post 18662 on the Pailin site, sorry I don't seem to be able to transfer it over here.

the gist is that if you want to discourage Fundies and Pensions and Specs from entering the gold market, what better way to do it than jam down price at the normal EOM window dressing as if to say "don't come in here or you will be punished"

Groaner's picture

We all want our metals to go

We all want our metals to go up in value but do we really? True it will maintain our wealth to a certain degree but if this system economically collapses things are going to be so scary, and violent who wants to live in that realm.. 

I trade to make a few bucks but I see the writing on the wall. This system is in its last days. 

The big crescendo. the end of ends, the once in for all time never to happen again..

Don't you people want to be on the right side of the issue?

Turd Ferguson's picture

Good point, SLW. Interesting

MODERATOR

Good point, SLW. Interesting theory.
Ink: that is NOT the fundamental change we will be discussing tomorrow.
JY: if I thought that emailer was referencing Wynter Benton, I wouldn't have posted it.

Groaner's picture

Scary! the church has done

Scary! the church has done the most horrendous things in the name of god.  Just read from McClintocks and Strongs Encyclopedia.. Persecution of Christians through the ages..  9 pages of detailed abominations.

Now the pedophilia and homosexuality so blatant in the church no wonder people either hate religion, the Bible because they think they are one and the same, or they still stick with them not having a clue of the scam just like we see here in the markets.

SRSrocco's picture

SARAH PALIN....EAT YOUR HEART OUT...

no comment necessary...

Pining 4 the Fjords's picture

@ Gina, Doc J

I am afraid I will have to placate you with this older creation-  unfortunately life is intruding on my TFMetals creative time!  Perhaps something tomorrow, though.

P.S.   I do have a nice one for SilverWealth cued up and ready to go over at Pailins... at least, if we sight the White Whale...

TruthPreeminent's picture

Silver Thoughts

Bull flag forming on the 15 and 30 min charts.  I think we will pierce 36 by tomorrow close.  The cartel is simply getting too much press now each time they do their thing, so I'm guessing they won't try anything soon.  Have a great weekend everyone.

silver= 35.44  at time of post

Edit:  As the above depiction shows, the Cartel's hands are kind of tied right now, so silver should be good to go.   :)

IndigoStar7's picture

Groaner

Try to relax and not worry too much...I suggest a cocktail.

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IndigoStar7's picture

Judge Napolitano would've been proud

Pretty cool thread from TF today.  Very creative piece of judicial interpretation and sentencing.

The Judge would be pleased.

I can hardly wait to hear him on a TFMR podcast one of these Saturdays. cool

Patrancus's picture

If the whole system collapses...

If the whole system collapses at least for the interim forget the bullion, it will be needed later, your main concern will be food, water, safe shelter and plenty of lead. 

adrock's picture

About the Whole System Collapsing

Good Article on SHTF Plan today.

Society as we know it will break down and collapse in a five stage process outlined here. While it can be accelerated by certain events like war, a natural disaster, pandemic, terrorist attack, or even an impending asteroid impact, history has shown that economic collapse will essentially happen in this five stage process. To survive the collapse, it is important to read and interpret the signs and understand what assets are important to the current situation so you can be prepared for the worst thereby allowing you to survive intact and with as little damage as possible.

STAGE 1. The Decay Begins

Everything is good and the economy is thriving. A high standard of living has been achieved. This is the way things should be. Goods are cheap and readily available. Everything seems to be in abundance. Stores are filled with retail items ready to be purchased. Life in general is good. The nation’s working infrastructure is solidly intact and working well. However, the idea that everyone is entitled to have what others have earned now permeates society. Redistribution of Wealth Policies are implemented and quietly woven into the fabric of society. Unchecked and under the guise of fairness and equality, these policies slowly decrease productivity and increase dependency on government entitlement and welfare programs.

Primary Assets:

  1. Career
  2. Home Value
  3. Savings
  4. Investments – Stocks and bonds
  5. Health Insurance
  6. Lifestyle Image
  7. Good Credit Rating for Debt Accumulation

STAGE 2. The Slippery Slope

The economy goes into a slow but steadily increasing decline. Unemployment is on the rise. Ever increasing numbers of people receive government assistance in one form or another. People are paid not to work. Government spending has increased dramatically. The price of gold, silver, and other precious metals rise to prices unheard of just a few years earlier. Inflation reaches the double digit levels.

Primary Assets:

  1. Cash
  2. Precious Metals, Gold and Silver coins
  3. Job Stability
  4. Elimination of debt
  5. Health Insurance
  6. Home Equity
  7. Automobile with good MPG
  8. Acquiring secluded land more than 40 miles from densely populated areas

STAGE 3. It is Going to Get Worse

The total collapse of the economy begins after a significant and prolonged decline. The government implements price controls. Shortages on essential goods become widespread. Foreclosed houses sit vacant and deteriorating by the tens of thousands. Middle class neighborhoods begin to look like slums. The government begins to print currency to pay its bills and support the tens of millions on public assistance. Inflation increases even more and unemployment exceeds 25%. Banks and businesses fail at ever increasing rates. Nobody seems to have any money. Many are now homeless. Labor unions instigate strikes, civil unrest, and large scale riots. Government services are interrupted and unreliable. Local and national infrastructure is in decay. Violent gangs begin to appear and assert themselves. The government begins confiscation of firearms from law abiding citizens. Violence is everywhere. Cities and urban areas become very dangerous places to live.

At this stage, the country seems pretty much beyond the point of no return. However, things can still be reversed even at this stage if the right person at the top really believes in the basic fundamental concepts of Freedom, Independence, Liberty, and Individual Rights and is not afraid to do what is necessary to reverse the current trend. He will be vilified and hated because of his attitude toward personal responsibility, cutting entitlements, and ending welfare programs. Of course, if the right person were in power and did what needed to be done, none of this would have happened in the first place.

Primary Assets:

  • Gold and Silver coins
  • Cash
  • Job
  • Automobile
  • Home
  • Short term food supplies
  • Short term fuel stores
  • Firearms and ammo
  • Plans to relocate to a secluded rural hideaway
  • Small livestock – chicken, rabbit, fish…
  • A close network of like minded people
  • Survival knowledge and skills

STAGE 4. The Grab for Power

The collapse can transition to this stage at any time after Stage 3. Most of the middle class have lost everything. What used to be well manicured middle class neighborhoods are filled with the carcasses of empty houses damaged and destroyed by vandals. The nation’s infrastructure has been seriously neglected and is in need of a major overhaul. The power grid becomes unreliable. Rolling blackouts are a daily occurrence. You can no longer buy or sell gold or own foreign currency. Inflation is out of control. Now the economy collapses. There is a rush for everything and the shelves go empty in a matter of hours. Society falls into chaos. The control of urban areas shifts when violent gangs takeover control of the streets and urban neighborhoods. The government issues restrictive measures in an attempt to control the economy. Everything is in short supply and heavily rationed. Food and gasoline is very expensive and there are very long lines to get them when they are available. Affordable quality health care is non-existent and your job is a distant memory. You will do without what you are unable to provide for yourself. You will discover what it is to live in a third world country.

Primary Assets:

  1. Relocation to the rural hideaway
  2. Firearms and ammo
  3. Long term food supplies (1 year minimum)
  4. Adequate fuel stores
  5. Security plan to protect the group and assets
  6. Trained dog for security
  7. A working knowledge of survival gardening
  8. Survival knowledge and skills

Once all of the above has come to pass, the realization of the current circumstances at this moment must be all too obvious. It is too late to prepare at this point. What you did not acquire earlier, you are not going to possess now. Anything of value necessary for your survival has already been claimed. The situation gets worse… much worse.

Stage 5 is next… and it is not pretty.

STAGE 5. Freedom, Liberty, and Independence is Lost

The government implements martial law. Fighting between civilians and government forces break out nationwide. Maintaining more than a 30 day supply of food is considered hoarding food and is illegal. Severe poverty and starvation become a common sight. The government offers marginally acceptable food, water and shelter in exchange for your Freedom, Liberty, and Independence. Democracy ends and a Socialist form of government takes over under the guise of fixing society’s problems with the false promise that peace and prosperity will return better than it was just a few years ago. A Totalitarian regime assumes power and the individual freedoms and liberties once enjoyed by the people are completely eliminated.

Primary Assets:

  1. Rural Hideaway
  2. Security plan to protect the group and assets
  3. Living below the radar in a community of like minded people
  4. Firearms and the ability to use them
  5. Guard dog for security
  6. Survival knowledge and skills
  7. A working and producing garden capable of feeding 150% of the group
  8. A stable supply of clean water
  9. Vegetable seeds for long term food production and barter
  10. The will to live and survive in a harsh political climate

As you can see, priorities change as the world changes. Your most prized assets of today – your good credit, luxury automobile, and career are no longer important after the economy collapses.

http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/societys-five-stages-of-economic-collapse_02282012

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Thick as thieves stealing...

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