Relentless... F-ing Relentless.

Man, this sht is getting old. Every night I go to bed with gold UP vs the Comex close. Then every night, as soon as the LBMA opens, the relentless attacks begin.  And man, my bottom is sore. I picked it and picked it but to no avail. The only cure now seems to be Dr. Blythe taking her gigantic golden auger and reaming me out...which she is currently doing. Hopefully, once the sores have been removed and Turd's bottom has been thoroughly bore out, my plan is to return the favor.

The fourth and final contest has just now closed. My man "bay of pigs" hung in there with the best guess until the very end when "printmemoney" snuck in under the wire with a closer guess. The actual 90-day pageview total was 6,769,304 and "printmemoney" guessed 6,895,349. Since this is not The Price Is Right and we were not playing "closest without going over", "printmemoney" is your winner. Mr. Money, please email me your shipping address at tfmetalsreport at gmail dot com.

OK, back to my sore bottom. I see from the comments of the previous thread that the "Turd is an idiot" naysayers are already crawling out from their holes. That's fine. When I'm wrong, I'm wrong. All I ask is that you always remember what makes this place different: We treat others the way we want to be treated. Additionally, there are plenty of websites out there that offer rearview mirror, hindsight-based analysis. If you're more comfortable there, I suggest you head there right now. It's quite simple to post once a day with your take on why things happened the way they did. It's another thing altogether to attempt to anticipate market action before it happens. So, let's try to keep some things in perspective:

1) As I type, gold is at 1796 and a whole $4 below what I thought would be a pretty strong support level/bottom.

2) Silver is at 40.20 which puts it $0.30 below the support range I saw between 40.50 and 41.

3) Clearly, all is not lost.

4) Both metals could decline farther in the short term. They could also reverse and head higher. What the fck do I know? I'm just a dope with a Macbook who thinks he can predict the future.

5) Gold will be higher before the end of the year. It will be higher yet in 2012. It will be even higher in 2013.

Please be patient. Everyone from Santa to Harvey to yours truly has warned you against leverage and short-term trading. If you must trade, I've asked repeatedly that you buy time. Avoid front-month options as they are almost always a one-way ticket to the poorhouse. Your best choice is, has always been and will remain to be STACKSTACKSTACK. Physical metal is your only financial protection from the economic disaster that is, most assuredly, coming over the horizon. Please hear me loud and clear: IT IS COMING. Your time to prepare is quickly running out. Look around. Europe is an absolute financial disaster. The U.S. system of using unlimited fiat money to fund its ever burgeoning government debt is at the breaking point. The Middle East is rapidly approaching a tipping point for total conflagration. Do not let the paper metal games of the LBMA and Comex scare you. Their time is rapidly drawing to a close, too. Protect yourself. Protect your family. Warn your friends and neighbors. Be confident in what you believe and proclaim it to whomever will listen. Be diligent but don't be afraid. Armed with foreknowledge, you will survive and even prosper in the days ahead.

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More later. Have a happy day. TF

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The Vet's picture

SVM - Raymond James We reiterate our Outperform rating

Raymond James We reiterate our Outperform rating and 12-month target price of $16...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/64989323/2011-09-14-Raymond-James-Ltd-Canada-SVM-Weathering-the-Storm-i8c88a3a204d442389f281c96e9e9d55d

ScottJ's picture

A Den of Vipers and Thieves

Turd don't sweat it, we are in rigged markets... not fundamental markets... let's learn from the past and make the right decisions for the future.  I  made a comment about this very fact a little bit ago, but being a temporary bear in a fundamental bull market is not often seen as logical.... which is cue for the rigged markets....  The comment can be found here:

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/comment/49315#comment-49315

Even though the fundamentals are stacking for gold/silver price appreciation, nothing has changed about how gold and silver are priced as of YET.  The gold and silver markets are still representations of the paper ponzi futures market instead of the physical asset itself.  Until this changes, we will be susceptible to shenanigans that is heavily discussed upon this blog.

And..... the den of vipers and thieves strikes again.

http://thehardrightedge.com/currency/

For some, the upcoming dollar extinction event will be completely unexpected.  For others, the coming days may be seen as the unraveling of the greatest silent oppression story humanity has ever had the displeasure of calling reality.  Mislead by the deceitful words from generations of countless "professional politicians", the lives of all Americans will be forever changed over the next two years, no person to be excluded.

We now live in a society where lies are presented as truth, military imperialism is justified in the name of humanitarianism, and more debt continues to be issued to "promote" economic health and stability.  The long-run is not in focus, and short-term perspective is constantly subject to manipulation.

The staples of life, such as the food we eat, the water we drink, the education we receive, and the medical practices developed have all fallen victim to the hands of profiteer-ism, lacking respect for the well-being of the population, better known as crony capitalism.

America's children have been taught to memorize, repeat, and to be entertained.  We have been told that we are nothing without a college degree, in which many are forced to take out student loans in which opens the precedent to a life of debt.  What sort of precedent is this setting our future up for? (Approaching one trillion dollars... larger than all credit card debt).

Our media has been hijacked, as responsible journalism has all but vanished from the mainstream arena.  Many complain about specific networks or mediums, when in truth it matters not which different "race"of news one mentions, for they are all fed by the two dominant mainstream news sources, Reuters and Associated Press.

Our economy has been morphed from a goods producing private sector, into a government subsidized welfare state.  The basis for what is left of the American economy depends on consuming cheap goods, many in which come from China and other openly oppressed nations.  Regardless of this known fact, the American Public and the U.S. government adopt the "out of sight, out of mind" philosophy with respect to ethics and morality of the exploited labor.  If this was truly the land of the free, why do we play benefactor to the exploitation of labor trade?

So it is no wonder why in these times, so many are confused, angry, and even frightened about what the future holds.  For those who are opening up to the world, they are greeted by the many harsh unspoken realities in which this world is founded upon. And for those who remain unaware, the life they have known seems to be changing at an increasing rate. Both types of people are left asking why?

The answer is quite straightforward, yet elegantly complicated in its delicacies.  To understand why all these illusions are converging  upon the next several years, one must look at the common denominator among these large and complex lies, or the heart of the beast one may say, currency (money).

Many Americans have little knowledge about the history and role of currency within the United States, a byproduct of our poor education system and falsely presented history.

Even if one has learned about the history of banking and currency in the public education system, depending upon the perspective it was taught from, the education may very well have instilled falsities as truth, creating democracy's biggest foe, a mis-informed public.

The phrase history repeats itself is often said, making it highly appropriate to compare opposition to America's first two private central banks, to the times we currently live within.

In 1791, the first national bank of the United States was passed into law, much to the suspicion of the southern states.  In the mandates of its creation, this bank was to be a privately owned business, and not a government agency.

Like most Southern members of Congress (indeed like most members of Congress in general), neither Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson nor Representative James Madison had any particular interest in two of Hamilton's tripartite recommendations: the establishing of an official government Mint, and the chartering of the Bank of the United States. They believed this centralization of power away from private banks was dangerous to a sound monetary system and was mostly to the benefit of business interests in the commercial north, not southern agricultural interests. They furthermore argued that the creation of such a bank violated the Constitution, which did not list the creation of a Bank of the United States or of a government mint among the expressed powers allowed to the federal government.[5]

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Bank_of_the_United_States

In 1811, when the bank's charter was up for renewal, it was rejected by the House of Representatives, for there were just enough congressman who saw through the bank's corruption, for the legislation was rejected by one vote for a tally of 46-45 in favor non-renewal.

In 1812, a war broke out between England and the United States.  While there are many repeated stories of why this war started, it may prove more fascinating to examine the consequences of this costly war the United States of America suddenly found itself within.

Could it be that the War of 1812 was nothing more than a tactical move by the English banking elite to push for the creation of the second national bank in which they could control/influence, after the first vanished to history by the democratic process?

The Second Bank was chartered by many of the same congressmen who in 1811 had refused to renew the charter of the original Bank of the United States. The predominant reason that the Second Bank of the United States was chartered was that in the War of 1812, the U.S. experienced severe inflation and had difficulty in financing military operations. Subsequently, the credit and borrowing status of the United States were at their lowest levels since its founding.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bank_of_the_United_States

Regardless of the causes, America was essentially forced to adopt the creation of the second private national bank.

The second National Bank of the United States was to meet the same fate as of the first.  America had elected a southern president who didn't take kindly to the private national bank, for President Andrew Jackson had a bone to pick.  In 1836, President Andrew Jackson with the American Public behind him wrote in closing the second national bank: (Source Here)

Gentleman, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country.

When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank.

You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin!

You are a den of vipers and thieves.

Andrew Jackson, (7th US President, when forcing the closure of the Second Bank of the US in 1836 by revoking its charter)

Upon understanding a basic history of America's historical battle with central banking, a new context of the Federal Reserve is able to be observed.

Since the unconstitutional creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913 (America's third private central bank), the timeless warning from Thomas Jefferson has echoed loudly throughout the last 100 years of monetary policy.

Below is a chart of the DOW Index divided by the price of gold.  In a step by step methodology, I will follow the inflationary/deflationary cycle that has enabled and amplified the role of central planning since the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913.  This information warrants strong evidence that Federal Reserve and its policymakers/supporters are responsible for the homelessness that is being forced upon the American Public, by a small group of private bankers and special interests.  The perpetrators are likely the very same influences in which supported the first two American national banks.  The solution to this problem is found within Jefferson's analysis, as the issuance of currency must be returned to the people, and stripped from the private banking interests who are enabled from the power entrusted upon them.

Thomas Jefferson's warning the coming generations of the hidden dangers that faced America: (Source Here)

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.  If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.  The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

--  Thomas Jefferson  (Attributed)

How the Federal Reserved Robbed the American Public, Per Jefferson's Warning: (Inflation Statistics Here)

Central Bank Established:

December 23rd, 1913.  While many congressman were at home with their families for the holidays.

First by inflation:

January 1914-September 1929, Government Reported Inflation: +74%

Then by deflation:

October 1929-December 1939, Government Reported Inflation: -19.08%

Then by new policy:

1933: US Government makes US Dollar no longer redeemable for gold bullion by American citizens, effectively removing the population off of the gold standard.

Then by Inflation again:

January 1940-August 1971, Government Reported Inflation: +193.53%

Then by more new policy: (Federal Reserve note adopts full issuing power of nation's currency)

August 1971: The Bretton Woods Agreement; Termination of the gold standard and the creation of the dollar as the world reserve currency, backed only by the trust that the Federal Government would be able to repay its accumulated debt (Wikipedia Source Here)

The chief features of the Bretton Woods system were an obligation for each country to adopt a monetary policy that maintained the exchange rate by tying its currency to the U.S. dollar and the ability of the IMF to bridge temporary imbalances of payments.

On August 15, 1971, the United States unilaterally terminated convertibility of the dollar to gold. As a result, "[t]he Bretton Woods system officially ended and the dollar became fully 'fiat currency,' backed by nothing but the promise of the federal government."[1] This action, referred to as the Nixon shock, created the situation in which the United States dollar became the sole backing of currencies and a reserve currency for the member states.

And since, much more inflation:

September 1971-July 2011 Government Reported Inflation: +453.73%

And the grand finale, unfolding in front of our very eyes:

Corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.

American history is young, fragile, and experimental. Yet we as a people have become complacent, docile, and void of the ability to critically think. In order to truly "win" the future, we must understand how we got here as a nation, and the lessons of the past must be understood in context of today.  History only repeats itself because participants are unaware of their predecessors, which is far from the case today.  Through understanding past mistakes, we are able to make proper decisions for the future.

While these circumstances may not be our individual fault, it is our responsibility as free individuals to consider facts and opinions of those who say otherwise, for it is always from the minority does the new majority become. There is no better current-day example of this than Ron Paul, the current guardian of the founding father's vision, and the philosophy of liberty in which sparked my own intellectual journey.

Below is a confrontation between Ron Paul and Ben Bernanke (Private FED Chairman).

One is telling the truth, while one is lying. You decide.

It is important to understand that throughout human history, civilizations haven risen and fallen, and the citizens who lived at the endpoints of a major civilization were much the same as you and I.  Citizens of the Roman Empire probably could not imagine what was to come, as many innocent people were just a product of their times.

The same does not have to be for us, but in order for change, we must change ourselves before it is to late. If we unite together in the cause of liberty, there is a chance for something special to happen in this world.  However,  if we continue to divide ourselves and see each other as our own enemies, then we will surely meet the fate that all empires have followed.

One of the reasons for the success of the Roman Empire was that the Romans treated their Empire as the world. In other words, the world was equated with the Empire. This belief formed the social cement which kept the Empire sustained. However, this bond, this social cohesion, was temporary at best. There were, after all, forces outside the Roman Empire which were eating away at the Empire itself. And regardless of whether we accept the fact that Rome fell as a result of internal pressure or invasions from the outside, or both at one and the same time, one thing is abundantly clear: Rome fell, and did so with a loud noise. It would take Western Civilization nearly ten centuries to recover and refashion a world which could be the rival of the civilization of Rome. 

Steven Kreis, http://www.historyguide.org/ancient/lecture14b.html

If we as a country are willing to rise up and help ourselves, then the first step in a long journey finds ourselves repeating history once again.... for all that is needed to begin restoring the damage by a few is another "one-vote win" to change the course of history.

I will be here journeying alongside you in this quest for freedom, for your future is inherently tied to mine.

Humbly and Respectfully,

Scott J

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Support: H.R. 1098, the "Free Competition in Currency Act of 2011."

WASHINGTON, DC – Congressman Ron Paul, Chairman of the Domestic Monetary Policy and Technology Subcommittee, announced today that the subcommittee will hold a hearing on legislation to restore sound money to the economy through competition.

H.R. 1098, the Free Competition in Currency Act of 2011, would allow competitive free market forces to provide sound money through choice in currency.  The bill repeals federal legal tender laws, repeals restrictions on private mints, and repeals taxes on gold and silver which prevent them from circulating as forms of payment. The hearing will discuss the need for and efficacy of sound money, the means by which sound money can be achieved through measures such as H.R. 1098, and the constitutional role of government in money.

"For too long the Federal Reserve has exercised a monopoly on currency issuance," Chairman Paul stated. "The result, predictably, has been an increasingly devalued dollar. We have been experimenting with a pure fiat currency system nationally and internationally for 40 years, and it has been proven unsound and unsustainable. Our fiat system helped create the massive debt crisis we find ourselves in, and has eroded the purchasing power of every American. The American people deserve to have a choice of currencies to protect themselves and their families from the poor decisions of government. Serious monetary reform is needed, and this hearing is the first step towards addressing this crucial issue. I am pleased that the subcommittee will be examining ways to return to sound money," Paul continued.

Pining 4 the Fjords's picture

Stay the course

Keep on keepin' on, TF.  The snap-back from this idiocy is going to be epic, and those who stayed the course will be rewarded. 

And thank you again for the Day O' Contests-  great fun, and a nice mental break from the insanity of broken markets. 

SilverBoy's picture

Turd don't give us numbers

just tell when and why do you think it can go up or down. Numbers are misleading. All of us have own charts and analyses.

Dark Matter's picture

HUI down

HUI is down, too. My gold stocks got kicked out.

Funny thing is AG and SLW are down, but SVM up. Ridiculous.

I Am The Unknown Comic's picture

Turd!

nope, not turd, actually 6th in line.  Yikes, I'm a slow reader, apparently

HeNateMe's picture

Loved this one!

Thanks Turd!  My spirit just soared.  I may look strong and mean on the outside but sometimes I can be a scared little child on the inside so I thank you for your uplifting words and your warnings for us to keep things in perspective.

I can't wait for the day that this economic collapse is past and we are holding hands while strolling through our 1000 acre farmlands.  Okay, that sounded a bit unmanly.  How about we just give each other a nod?

Thanks Turd!

FogHorn LegHorn's picture

TF Your the Greatest

If You wern't wrong once in awhile, I'd wonder if you hadn't gone over to the darkside. :)
ps. Hows that p.o. box comin?

Turd Ferguson's picture

I'll try but...

MODERATOR

...you are incorrect about "all of us having charts and analysis". The vast majority of the readers of this site are folks who are just "waking up" to the metals and paper vs physical games. You can not imagine how many emails I get regarding TA and how it can sometimes be helpful. Countless have asked that I produce some kind of "compendium" ala Santa to sell. If and when I have the time, I'll give it a try. Until then, I will continue to print charts with simple TA lines in the hopes of educating as many as possible.

MIDDIE's picture

Sore Bottoms

TF, what is one to do?  Seems you can never satisfy all, eh?  Appreciate what you do and never mind the bobos!  Hang in, it will get better.  Like your 2013 prediction and same for 2014, right?

Turd Ferguson's picture

Re Scott

MODERATOR

I just want to publicly state how invaluable Scott's contributions are to this site. He is a terrific writer and contributor but he is also a moderator and a big help.

SCOTT, THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL YOU DO!

Turd Ferguson's picture

Yes, sell all your gold

MODERATOR

and 2015 and 2016 and 2017....

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TitanAe's picture

TURD !!!

Its easy for people to attack when things are gone and past !!!! What you do is very tough and honestly I respect you for that because seems like all the so called experts do is call it after it happen's the say "see I told you soo" . There are bigger fish the you and I and they are the one's that call the shot.

Turd Keep up the good work and if you ever want to charge people a sub fee I'm in... Maybe that way people tracking you will at least be realistic and understand what it is you do and provide  for everyone that follows you.

Regards

tallydynasty's picture

Turd.  Thank you for being a

Turd.  Thank you for being a trader and for sharing your thoughts/predications along the way.  YOU ARE GOOD!!!!  ---bashers think good traders are right 100% of the time and thus they are simply scum looking for a free ride.  

Keep doing what you're doing.  

Thanks

Scisco's picture

Just a thought, could it be

Just a thought, could it be central banks that are doing the selling not so much to drive down the price rather because of the ongoing repo market freeze? We see the hit when Europe open right the epicenter of drought.

Eric Original's picture

I bought anyway

I said I wouldn't, but I did.  More AG, more AUQ.  I've already stacked physical.  Now I'm stacking miner shares.

margaritatime's picture

The math

I missed all the contests, but congrats to everyone that won!

I still think this is a coordinated effort in some part, and natural dynamics on the other. There is a lot of liquidity going on right now. Gold is an easy target to liquidate in a portfolio to cover losses and make moves. There really is a dichotomy going on right now for flight to safety. A lot of money headed to the USD on one end, buying and selling of gold on the other. A lot of uncertainty in the wind and liquid is floating around to find the safest places to go.

This is a good opportunity for those that manipulate to paint TA’s to give off sell cues, trigger algos, and give the perception that PM’s are not as stable as people want to believe. It forces those on the fence in to the posx. Those holding treasuries are soon going to realize they have been duped.

Not to sound like a broken record, but to quote what Turd has said in the past many many times “We are on the right side of the math”, nothing could be more correct at this juncture. Gold seems trapped in a horizontal channel and every effort is being made to make it look unattractive. It’s all about perception and confidence, after all, that’s what speculating markets is all about.

I hate to sound like the eternal optimist here, but I am telling you the economics and math do not portray PM’s where they currently stand. Do not fall for the Red Herring and be led astray, the fundos for PM’s are as strong as ever. I realize that is of little comfort, and one can only hear BTFD so many times before frustration sets in. Hold it, it’s all I have to say. Turd summed it up on this post.

For those coming out of the woodwork to argue fundos in a different direction, I would love to see your [sourced & credible] numbers. Bring it, otherwise STFU.

flying monkey's picture

Educational Video

Thanks Turd for taking the time and effort to put this blog together and updating us with your thoughts, I appreciate it, and ignore all those trolling cocks who come out of the woodwork to have a pop at you.

This video really opened my eyes to what 'Economic Growth' actually means.

It may seem a bit dry at first but stick with it for a few minutes. After watching it my world view had changed.

Edit:

Just got this from Gata

Dear Friend of GATA and Gold:

Gold market analyst John Brimelow, who spoke at GATA's Gold Rush 2011 conference in London last month, was interviewed there by fellow speaker and GoldMoney founder James Turk and discussed gold demand from India, China, and the Middle East. In regard to the Swiss franc, which was devalued the other day, Brimelow remarks incisively that one's currency might better be held down by purchasing gold with it than simply by selling it. The interview is not quite 19 minutes long and you can find it at the GoldMoney Internet site here:

http://www.goldmoney.com/video/brimelow-turk-interview.html

Tesla's picture

Manipulation Compliments of...

Thanks for all you do Turd! F the naysayers!!!

ewc58's picture

Nice piece Turd

It's all good folks. Stay cool. If you can make it through this with your wits and confidence intact, you'll know you're rounding into Turd Commando Team shape. ask yourself how on earth gold could go down on today's news. There's only 1 answer: perception management. So take the pigskin and head upfield.

If you're happy today, it's a sign that you're well on your way to achieving that high level of mental conditioning. Of course it may also be a sign of early onset dementia. As Yogi says: 90% of the game is half mental.

It only gets better from here. Soon. Eyes on the prize, fuck the distractions.

Hammer's picture

My better half just sent me

My better half just sent me an awesome photo of a T shirt to put it in simple words. How do I post a photo here ?

FogHorn LegHorn's picture

Eric Thanks for Your posts!

I have been doing the same SVM got hammered, I bought AG, AUQ, PPP, I bought, seems like a red tag sale to me thanks. :)

¤'s picture

Turd/Scott

You're just ahead of the situation and far from wrong on your "bottom" pick imo.

The market is digesting the communique from all the central banks at once. Once the numbers are crunched and the implications of this action are interpretted by the market is when we will see the PM's move to the next level. It should happen quickly at some point soon.

This has all the makings of a late Thursday into Friday rally in the PM's like we saw in late March/ early April 11'

The rocket is on the launch pad warming up and Bernanke will light the fuse next week.

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Great stuff Scott...That's a very printable contribution. yes

Turd Ferguson's picture

One more thing

MODERATOR

All the econ data today is lousy and the EU is printing like crazy but gold is down? I had thought (hoped) that this was over and we were back to fundos, unfortunately I must refer you back to these links below. It may not be the Swiss, specifically, anymore but it is clear that the PMs are being deliberately manipulated lower.

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/blog/2327/warning

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/blog/2338/woods

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/blog/2350/battle-continues

¤'s picture

Bingo

Everything margaritatime just said. That's it in a nutshell (including the stfu...lol)

The Vet's picture

Silvercorp Repurchases Over $31 Million of Shares

Silvercorp Metals Inc. ("Silvercorp" or the "Company") (TSX: SVM.TO - News)(NYSE: SVM.TO - News) announced it has acquired a total of 3,918,012 of its common shares at a total cost of $31,290,657 (average price of CDN$7.97 pursuant to its normal course issuer bid ("NCIB") announced on June 17, 2011.

Under the existing NCIB the Company intends to acquire up to 10 million common shares. All common shares purchased under the NCIB will be cancelled.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Silvercorp-Repurchases-Over-iw-2930041534.html?x=0

printmemoney's picture

turd hat

 

Suuuuuhhweet

.......I know it's a bad day but gold will rise again, winning this contest made my year!!! Thanks Turd.

beinki's picture

Yes it does seem to be a little sore

printmemoney's picture

one more thing

The key that differentiates you from other bloggers is that you put your balls on the line and make very short term predictions.  I haven't seen anyone else do that for as long as you have.

javajunkie's picture

Keep the Faith!

Don't let the bafoons and naysayers get ya down brother. Keep at it. You provide an invaluable service. So what if you missed a bottom call....you've made plenty...PLENTY that were right on and either saved me from myself or helped me make a nice profit. In addition, you've encouraged others to share valuable information and they have in abundance. I've learned a ton since I began frequenting your site. I'm sure others here feel the same way. These markets are a joke and if anything....the sale on gold and silver is better than we thought. PHYZZ BITCHEZ!!!

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